May finish for Weymouth harbour wall repairs

TORN: A massive crack in the harbour wall

DEFINITE ASSURANCES: Councillor Ian Bruce

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REPAIR work on Weymouth’s harbour will not be finished until May at the earliest.

Condor Ferries, which originally hoped to resume sailings in March, will not return until the repairs are finalised.

The borough’s management committee yesterday agreed to spend £3,920,000 repairing the crumbling quayside wall–double the original estimate.

The work is scheduled to start at the end of November and will take at least 24 weeks to complete.

Council chiefs are in a race against time to fix the quay so Condor Ferries can restart its cross Channel sailings It is estimated that the ferry operation brings in £650,000 to he local economy each year.

Councillors voted to award the contract to Balfour Beatty Civil Engineers, subject to a 10-day standstill period.

Councillor Gill Taylor said the increase from the initial estimate of £2million was because more extensive work will be carried out.

She said: “The increase in value is largely due to changes in the tender – we were advised to do more extensive work to make the harbour useable.

“The length we are doing repairs on has increased and we are also putting a concrete mattress across the harbour to prevent the problem reoccurring.”

Condor switched its crossings to Poole in February after concerns were raised about the harbour wall.

But some members at yesterday’s meeting expressed concerns that the total cost could spiral to £8 million.

Councillor Ian Bruce said he wanted definite assurances that the ferries would be resuming.

He said: “We are at a point with Condor where we need to say we want to know they are definitely coming back.

“We should put it to them that we are going to go forward with additional improvements and that the funding will come from them as well.”

Councillor Geoff Petherick said the £3.9million was the ‘tip of the iceberg’ and estimated the total cost of the redevelopment would be around £8million.

He said: “Realistically the payback will take 80 years.

“This is just the tip of the iceberg.

“My estimate has always been £8million and first of all it was going to be £2million but now it’s gone up to £4million.”

The work will initially be paid for by cash reserves but council off-icers said the council will probably have to borrow the money and estimate it will take 40 years to repay.

‘Our intention to return’

Captain Fran Collins, operations director at Condor Ferries, said: “Condor Ferries is pleased that Weymouth and Portland Borough Council has decided to approve the plan to go ahead with the works to repair the harbour wall.

“We will continue to liaise closely with the council to confirm the timescales of the work involved. his is an important step toward the long term aim of developing Weymouth as the gateway to the Channel Islands, with the appropriate modern port facilities.

“It is our long term intention to return to operating regular sailings from Weymouth, once the works to restore the ferry port have been completed.”

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11:43am Wed 3 Oct 12

jusphil says...

Why has it taken so long to agree to the money being given and the work starting this should have deen done at the first sign of extra work being needed, or is it that the council does not want to have Condor back. They should have been bending over backwards to get them back, with the winter weather coming you can be certain of severe delays due to the weather.
This is another case of the council of dragging there heels again and letting the world pass them by.
Come on W&PBC get your finger out before you destroy Weymouth completely.
Why has it taken so long to agree to the money being given and the work starting this should have deen done at the first sign of extra work being needed, or is it that the council does not want to have Condor back. They should have been bending over backwards to get them back, with the winter weather coming you can be certain of severe delays due to the weather. This is another case of the council of dragging there heels again and letting the world pass them by. Come on W&PBC get your finger out before you destroy Weymouth completely. jusphil
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12:13pm Wed 3 Oct 12

JelliedEel says...

I wonder if the Council actually work for another district.

They have turned Brewers Quay into a building site that is going nowhere. The quay will take forever to fix and go over budget. Shops are closing left, right and centre in town.

If the Council's aim was to make the area unattractive to tourists to come and visit then I would say they are right on target.
I wonder if the Council actually work for another district. They have turned Brewers Quay into a building site that is going nowhere. The quay will take forever to fix and go over budget. Shops are closing left, right and centre in town. If the Council's aim was to make the area unattractive to tourists to come and visit then I would say they are right on target. JelliedEel
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12:54pm Wed 3 Oct 12

Simon 1965 says...

I am maybe reading too much into this, but Condor appear to have changed tact.

Whilst still affirming their commitment to Weymouth, use of the words "long term aim to return sailings" seems to have been inserted into the comments by Captain Collins for the first time.

This indicates to me that although Condor will still return, it may not be until the 2014 season (or beyond), regardless of whether the repairs are completed on time or not.

As I say however, I may be reading too much into the wording of this.

Simon N.
I am maybe reading too much into this, but Condor appear to have changed tact. Whilst still affirming their commitment to Weymouth, use of the words "long term aim to return sailings" seems to have been inserted into the comments by Captain Collins for the first time. This indicates to me that although Condor will still return, it may not be until the 2014 season (or beyond), regardless of whether the repairs are completed on time or not. As I say however, I may be reading too much into the wording of this. Simon N. Simon 1965
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1:09pm Wed 3 Oct 12

bnaty12 says...

Why is there not an investigation into why the original 2m estimate is now 4 m? How can we be employing people who can get their job 100% wrong?

Another councillor seems to think it could go up to 8 million? Why? So much for transparency.

It was meant to be March finish now May, is there anything these people can get right, or do the goal posts of this job constantly shift to accommodate brown envelopes?


The public have the right to know how the estimate could be 100% wrong and why those responsible still have a job and as to why this price keeps rising and getting later. Please can we see the full and open books on this, the details and communications between Balfour and the council, the whole package please.
Why is there not an investigation into why the original 2m estimate is now 4 m? How can we be employing people who can get their job 100% wrong? Another councillor seems to think it could go up to 8 million? Why? So much for transparency. It was meant to be March finish now May, is there anything these people can get right, or do the goal posts of this job constantly shift to accommodate brown envelopes? The public have the right to know how the estimate could be 100% wrong and why those responsible still have a job and as to why this price keeps rising and getting later. Please can we see the full and open books on this, the details and communications between Balfour and the council, the whole package please. bnaty12
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1:09pm Wed 3 Oct 12

BarrHumbug says...

"subject to a 10-day standstill period" is that why council projects always take so long?

I suspect what will happen is Condor will give assurances they will return as long as a completion date is agreed upon. The project will then run over budget and behind schedule, despite the council agreeing a cost with the contractor they will be expected to finance the shortfall, they will also have to pay compensation back to Condor for not completing on time. This will carry on for many months until Condor will be left with no option but to pull their agreement and stay at Poole signing up a long term contract securing a better deal for themselves and Weymouth will be left with a shiny new unused dockside.
"subject to a 10-day standstill period" is that why council projects always take so long? I suspect what will happen is Condor will give assurances they will return as long as a completion date is agreed upon. The project will then run over budget and behind schedule, despite the council agreeing a cost with the contractor they will be expected to finance the shortfall, they will also have to pay compensation back to Condor for not completing on time. This will carry on for many months until Condor will be left with no option but to pull their agreement and stay at Poole signing up a long term contract securing a better deal for themselves and Weymouth will be left with a shiny new unused dockside. BarrHumbug
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1:25pm Wed 3 Oct 12

bnaty12 says...

BarrHumbug wrote:
"subject to a 10-day standstill period" is that why council projects always take so long?

I suspect what will happen is Condor will give assurances they will return as long as a completion date is agreed upon. The project will then run over budget and behind schedule, despite the council agreeing a cost with the contractor they will be expected to finance the shortfall, they will also have to pay compensation back to Condor for not completing on time. This will carry on for many months until Condor will be left with no option but to pull their agreement and stay at Poole signing up a long term contract securing a better deal for themselves and Weymouth will be left with a shiny new unused dockside.
My understanding of the law is that if a price is agreed for a Job or service between parties beforehand, then that is the price the job must be completed for.

I myself had a business on it many years ago when a quote was given for a repair on an item, he then raised it when I brought the item in for repair, I went to trading standards and that is what I was told, so why should it be any different for the council and a contractor?
[quote][p][bold]BarrHumbug[/bold] wrote: "subject to a 10-day standstill period" is that why council projects always take so long? I suspect what will happen is Condor will give assurances they will return as long as a completion date is agreed upon. The project will then run over budget and behind schedule, despite the council agreeing a cost with the contractor they will be expected to finance the shortfall, they will also have to pay compensation back to Condor for not completing on time. This will carry on for many months until Condor will be left with no option but to pull their agreement and stay at Poole signing up a long term contract securing a better deal for themselves and Weymouth will be left with a shiny new unused dockside.[/p][/quote]My understanding of the law is that if a price is agreed for a Job or service between parties beforehand, then that is the price the job must be completed for. I myself had a business on it many years ago when a quote was given for a repair on an item, he then raised it when I brought the item in for repair, I went to trading standards and that is what I was told, so why should it be any different for the council and a contractor? bnaty12
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1:47pm Wed 3 Oct 12

rudolph_hucker says...

"Long term intention"
Not a commitment in terms of action or time.
That ferry works better using Poole rather than Weymouth, Condor know this, Poole will do all it can to keep it there, these repairs will spiral in cost and drag in time and at the end of it all Condor will say "sorry we are using Poole" it has worked well for us.
Laughable.
"Long term intention" Not a commitment in terms of action or time. That ferry works better using Poole rather than Weymouth, Condor know this, Poole will do all it can to keep it there, these repairs will spiral in cost and drag in time and at the end of it all Condor will say "sorry we are using Poole" it has worked well for us. Laughable. rudolph_hucker
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2:30pm Wed 3 Oct 12

Simon 1965 says...

As I have said time and time again on thie Forum, the ferry does NOT work better out of Poole. Condor actually left Weymouth once before (the 1997 season) and centralised everything on Poole - it did not work for them and they soon returned to Weymouth - they could have left Weymouth at various times since, but have never felt the need to do so. Dual porting works for them, it gives a wider reach of passengers and as said by many other people, Weymouth has the advantage of the quick route out to sea, and plentiful overnight accommondation near the terminal.
I have no doubts on Condors sincerity, just the council`s competence.

Simon N.
As I have said time and time again on thie Forum, the ferry does NOT work better out of Poole. Condor actually left Weymouth once before (the 1997 season) and centralised everything on Poole - it did not work for them and they soon returned to Weymouth - they could have left Weymouth at various times since, but have never felt the need to do so. Dual porting works for them, it gives a wider reach of passengers and as said by many other people, Weymouth has the advantage of the quick route out to sea, and plentiful overnight accommondation near the terminal. I have no doubts on Condors sincerity, just the council`s competence. Simon N. Simon 1965
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2:51pm Wed 3 Oct 12

BarrHumbug says...

bnaty12 wrote:
BarrHumbug wrote:
"subject to a 10-day standstill period" is that why council projects always take so long?

I suspect what will happen is Condor will give assurances they will return as long as a completion date is agreed upon. The project will then run over budget and behind schedule, despite the council agreeing a cost with the contractor they will be expected to finance the shortfall, they will also have to pay compensation back to Condor for not completing on time. This will carry on for many months until Condor will be left with no option but to pull their agreement and stay at Poole signing up a long term contract securing a better deal for themselves and Weymouth will be left with a shiny new unused dockside.
My understanding of the law is that if a price is agreed for a Job or service between parties beforehand, then that is the price the job must be completed for.

I myself had a business on it many years ago when a quote was given for a repair on an item, he then raised it when I brought the item in for repair, I went to trading standards and that is what I was told, so why should it be any different for the council and a contractor?
Well I agree that is how it should be but as soon as the word council or government is mentioned that all seems to go out the window and the contractor just charges what they like when they like and takes as long as they like to do it.
[quote][p][bold]bnaty12[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BarrHumbug[/bold] wrote: "subject to a 10-day standstill period" is that why council projects always take so long? I suspect what will happen is Condor will give assurances they will return as long as a completion date is agreed upon. The project will then run over budget and behind schedule, despite the council agreeing a cost with the contractor they will be expected to finance the shortfall, they will also have to pay compensation back to Condor for not completing on time. This will carry on for many months until Condor will be left with no option but to pull their agreement and stay at Poole signing up a long term contract securing a better deal for themselves and Weymouth will be left with a shiny new unused dockside.[/p][/quote]My understanding of the law is that if a price is agreed for a Job or service between parties beforehand, then that is the price the job must be completed for. I myself had a business on it many years ago when a quote was given for a repair on an item, he then raised it when I brought the item in for repair, I went to trading standards and that is what I was told, so why should it be any different for the council and a contractor?[/p][/quote]Well I agree that is how it should be but as soon as the word council or government is mentioned that all seems to go out the window and the contractor just charges what they like when they like and takes as long as they like to do it. BarrHumbug
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3:23pm Wed 3 Oct 12

darcyknows says...

if condor want to go back to weymouth then p h c should send them packing now and not be used .
if condor want to go back to weymouth then p h c should send them packing now and not be used . darcyknows
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4:39pm Wed 3 Oct 12

bootedsw says...

darcyknows wrote:
if condor want to go back to weymouth then p h c should send them packing now and not be used .
PHC probably needs the money as much as weymouth does, why look a gift horse in the mouth. With a reduced BF service they will need condor as much as we do.
[quote][p][bold]darcyknows[/bold] wrote: if condor want to go back to weymouth then p h c should send them packing now and not be used .[/p][/quote]PHC probably needs the money as much as weymouth does, why look a gift horse in the mouth. With a reduced BF service they will need condor as much as we do. bootedsw
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4:58pm Wed 3 Oct 12

The-Bleeding-Obvious says...

'May never be finished' with any luck! Have done 5 day trips to Guernsey this year out of Poole, the longer they're in Poole the better!
'May never be finished' with any luck! Have done 5 day trips to Guernsey this year out of Poole, the longer they're in Poole the better! The-Bleeding-Obvious
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5:04pm Wed 3 Oct 12

portia6 says...

The carry on condor farce with
the new bridge creating a huge
drama would please the most creative
play-wright!
Weymouth has plenty of attractions
for the holiday maker and the train
station is well used!
The carry on condor farce with the new bridge creating a huge drama would please the most creative play-wright! Weymouth has plenty of attractions for the holiday maker and the train station is well used! portia6
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10:01pm Wed 3 Oct 12

bollywood says...

Weymouth has plenty of attractions for the holiday maker - really? Where would they be I wonder.
Weymouth has plenty of attractions for the holiday maker - really? Where would they be I wonder. bollywood
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1:43pm Thu 4 Oct 12

scubadude says...

Glad to see the council where insured for the harbour infastructure.... Fools, utter fools, there should be a public enquiry.
Glad to see the council where insured for the harbour infastructure.... Fools, utter fools, there should be a public enquiry. scubadude
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6:43pm Fri 5 Oct 12

bootedsw says...

a public enquiry to waste more of our money I think NOT!
a public enquiry to waste more of our money I think NOT! bootedsw
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7:22pm Fri 5 Oct 12

ksmain says...

BarrHumbug wrote:
bnaty12 wrote:
BarrHumbug wrote:
"subject to a 10-day standstill period" is that why council projects always take so long?

I suspect what will happen is Condor will give assurances they will return as long as a completion date is agreed upon. The project will then run over budget and behind schedule, despite the council agreeing a cost with the contractor they will be expected to finance the shortfall, they will also have to pay compensation back to Condor for not completing on time. This will carry on for many months until Condor will be left with no option but to pull their agreement and stay at Poole signing up a long term contract securing a better deal for themselves and Weymouth will be left with a shiny new unused dockside.
My understanding of the law is that if a price is agreed for a Job or service between parties beforehand, then that is the price the job must be completed for.

I myself had a business on it many years ago when a quote was given for a repair on an item, he then raised it when I brought the item in for repair, I went to trading standards and that is what I was told, so why should it be any different for the council and a contractor?
Well I agree that is how it should be but as soon as the word council or government is mentioned that all seems to go out the window and the contractor just charges what they like when they like and takes as long as they like to do it.
Anyone considered that the extra cost may not all be down to the increase in the quote?

It may be that because of the lengthening period of time before the repair is finished, they have had to factor in increased losses caused by the lack of berthing fees from Condor and maybe other income that would have been received from them. each month will cause a further increase in these.
[quote][p][bold]BarrHumbug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bnaty12[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BarrHumbug[/bold] wrote: "subject to a 10-day standstill period" is that why council projects always take so long? I suspect what will happen is Condor will give assurances they will return as long as a completion date is agreed upon. The project will then run over budget and behind schedule, despite the council agreeing a cost with the contractor they will be expected to finance the shortfall, they will also have to pay compensation back to Condor for not completing on time. This will carry on for many months until Condor will be left with no option but to pull their agreement and stay at Poole signing up a long term contract securing a better deal for themselves and Weymouth will be left with a shiny new unused dockside.[/p][/quote]My understanding of the law is that if a price is agreed for a Job or service between parties beforehand, then that is the price the job must be completed for. I myself had a business on it many years ago when a quote was given for a repair on an item, he then raised it when I brought the item in for repair, I went to trading standards and that is what I was told, so why should it be any different for the council and a contractor?[/p][/quote]Well I agree that is how it should be but as soon as the word council or government is mentioned that all seems to go out the window and the contractor just charges what they like when they like and takes as long as they like to do it.[/p][/quote]Anyone considered that the extra cost may not all be down to the increase in the quote? It may be that because of the lengthening period of time before the repair is finished, they have had to factor in increased losses caused by the lack of berthing fees from Condor and maybe other income that would have been received from them. each month will cause a further increase in these. ksmain
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5:48am Sat 6 Oct 12

ThomasFairfax says...

Yesterday, I commented on a story in the "Dorset Echo" which questioned the return of Condor Ferries to their Weymouth operation.

"From conversations I have had with people who work for Condor, it seems to me that this story has some credibility. I under stand that the work on rebuilding the quay at Weymouth is far from completion, and the March return date looks very uncertain. Add to the is the fact that Poole council are making very strong representations to Condor to remain in Poole, a return to the Weymouth operation seems less and less likely."

Today, Friday 5th October 2012, Dorset Echo carries this story of the repairs not being completed until May 2013 "at the earliest". It seems to me that Weymouth has seen the last of the Condor Ferry operations from the town, together with the employment and financial benefits that this employer provides both directly, and indirectly in terms of travelers visiting the town. Weymouth and Portland Council are not blameless in this story. Prevarication, indecision and ineptitude litter the route to where we are today. The decision to prevent Condor operating from Portland while the repairs to the ferry terminal were carried out, on the grounds that "the increase in traffic through the town (Weymouth), would cause severe congestion on the new improved road system for Olympic Games visitors" is a lamentable example of how a theoretically intelligent elected body can be so naive. As far as the Olympics (and other decisions) are concerned, Weymouth and Portland Council can have few toes left after so many examples of "shooting themselves in the foot". I have had differences of view with Condor ferries over the years, but in this instance if they were to make a corporate decision, (assuming they have not yet already done so), to sever all links with Weymouth, it would not surprise me at all, and I would fully support their action.
Yesterday, I commented on a story in the "Dorset Echo" which questioned the return of Condor Ferries to their Weymouth operation. "From conversations I have had with people who work for Condor, it seems to me that this story has some credibility. I under stand that the work on rebuilding the quay at Weymouth is far from completion, and the March return date looks very uncertain. Add to the is the fact that Poole council are making very strong representations to Condor to remain in Poole, a return to the Weymouth operation seems less and less likely." Today, Friday 5th October 2012, Dorset Echo carries this story of the repairs not being completed until May 2013 "at the earliest". It seems to me that Weymouth has seen the last of the Condor Ferry operations from the town, together with the employment and financial benefits that this employer provides both directly, and indirectly in terms of travelers visiting the town. Weymouth and Portland Council are not blameless in this story. Prevarication, indecision and ineptitude litter the route to where we are today. The decision to prevent Condor operating from Portland while the repairs to the ferry terminal were carried out, on the grounds that "the increase in traffic through the town (Weymouth), would cause severe congestion on the new improved road system for Olympic Games visitors" is a lamentable example of how a theoretically intelligent elected body can be so naive. As far as the Olympics (and other decisions) are concerned, Weymouth and Portland Council can have few toes left after so many examples of "shooting themselves in the foot". I have had differences of view with Condor ferries over the years, but in this instance if they were to make a corporate decision, (assuming they have not yet already done so), to sever all links with Weymouth, it would not surprise me at all, and I would fully support their action. ThomasFairfax
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11:14pm Mon 8 Oct 12

EtaoinShrdlu says...

This is the same Condor whose catamaran was chased out of New Zealand by the greenies because of the excessive wash it caused in the Marlborough Sounds. Didn't stop them wrecking Weymuff harbour facilities did it. As for the council's procrastination and incompetence . . . what's new? You need to VOTE, and never for the incumbents, don't let them get their noses in the trough and the brown envelopes.
This is the same Condor whose catamaran was chased out of New Zealand by the greenies because of the excessive wash it caused in the Marlborough Sounds. Didn't stop them wrecking Weymuff harbour facilities did it. As for the council's procrastination and incompetence . . . what's new? You need to VOTE, and never for the incumbents, don't let them get their noses in the trough and the brown envelopes. EtaoinShrdlu
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3:05pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Simon 1965 says...

Does anybody know if work has now commenced on the harbour wall?

Presumably as the contract has now been awarded, they should on site soon, if not already.

Simon N.
Does anybody know if work has now commenced on the harbour wall? Presumably as the contract has now been awarded, they should on site soon, if not already. Simon N. Simon 1965
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