VIDEO: Thirty hurt as double-decker bus full of students overturns on A350

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Double-decker bus full of students overturns on A350

Double-decker bus full of students overturns on A350

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EMERGENCY workers say it was a “miracle” no one was killed after a double-decker bus packed with college students crashed before flipping on to its side yesterday morning.

The 13-tonne bus careered off the road near Lytchett Minster, ending in a field at the bottom of a steep, eight-foot embankment.

Panick-stricken students were forced to escape through the rear windows after clambering over broken glass and smashed seats.

The fully-trained driver, a 27-year-old Poole man who was treated for shock, was being tutored on the route when the crash happened.

Seven students and the driver were taken to Poole hospital. Twenty-two more were treated for minor scrapes and bruises. The remaining 26 students, all aged between 16 and 18, escaped largely unhurt.

The accident happened on the A350, just north of the Upton roundabout. The bus - the First Bus route D - was travelling from Kinson, Bournemouth to the college it overturned into a field at 8.15am.

The air ambulance, six ambulances and the fire brigade were called to the scene, with 15 firefighters working at the scene for an hour and a half.

"I thought I was going to die" - click to read students on the bus describing the crash

The remaining students, described as "walking wounded" by the ambulance service, were taken from the bus to a triage centre at Gravel Hill police station for treatment.

 

At 8.20am we were called by @dorsetpolice a double decker bus leaving the road on the A350 at Limberlost. twitpic.com/b4dd9n

— DorsetFireandRescue (@DorsetFire) October 15, 2012

The road was closed at Limberlost, the Upton bypass and Vines Farm Shop and police accident investigators have been at the scene all day trying to establish what happened.

The road has been reopened to traffic using temporary traffic lights and the bus is still at the scene.

One student said: "I have never been so scared in my life. I feel so lucky to be alive and would like to thank the kind men who helped us escape."

A spokesman for First Hampshire and Dorset said: "The exact cause of the incident is not yet known but it will be thoroughly investigated.

"Our thoughts are with those who have sustained injuries as a result of this incident; we wish them all a full and speedy recovery.

“Our team attended the scene and are now working with the relevant authorities to determine the cause. Safety is our number one priority. All of our drivers are fully trained and hold all relevant qualifications before transporting passengers, as well as undergoing specific learning on each route.

"As is normal industry procedure, today's driver was being monitored by an experienced colleague as part of that process."

Kingston Maurward College Principal Clare Davison said: “The safety and well-being of our students is our top priority and obviously we are extremely concerned about this incident.

“We have set up a team at the college and we are liaising directly with the emergency services. We are talking to First Buses and will work closely with the police to understand how this occurred. We will also be offering additional support to the students involved.

“We are calling all parents and guardians of students affected and have set up a direct line for them to contact us. Anyone concerned can call 07894 751302.”

Do you know anyone who was on the bus or did you see what happened? Email newsdesk@dorsetecho.co.uk.

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11:09am Mon 15 Oct 12

Huey says...

Makes you wonder what the driver was doing, double deckers frequently seem to "turn over" or be driven under a low bridge.
Glad no one is seriously hurt.
Makes you wonder what the driver was doing, double deckers frequently seem to "turn over" or be driven under a low bridge. Glad no one is seriously hurt. Huey
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11:12am Mon 15 Oct 12

snowleopard says...

Plymouth based company, Weymouth based bus by look of livery.
Plymouth based company, Weymouth based bus by look of livery. snowleopard
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11:20am Mon 15 Oct 12

Phil.C. says...

Until the full facts are known it might be best to keep quiet.
Until the full facts are known it might be best to keep quiet. Phil.C.
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11:53am Mon 15 Oct 12

geoffro says...

If it is where i think it is the road edge has been breaking away for some time the council have repaired it before
If it is where i think it is the road edge has been breaking away for some time the council have repaired it before geoffro
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12:00pm Mon 15 Oct 12

Jasmineatcarter says...

I was on the bus and it was a trainee driver and the road was wet and slippery we are all very lucky to be alive if the bus was as packed as it usually is the bus may of flipped again and i wouldnt like to say what may have happened
I was on the bus and it was a trainee driver and the road was wet and slippery we are all very lucky to be alive if the bus was as packed as it usually is the bus may of flipped again and i wouldnt like to say what may have happened Jasmineatcarter
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12:20pm Mon 15 Oct 12

Ellesw says...

This is why these buses need seatbelts, so scary travelling so fast with no thought for safety. Im glad everyone is ok!
This is why these buses need seatbelts, so scary travelling so fast with no thought for safety. Im glad everyone is ok! Ellesw
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12:22pm Mon 15 Oct 12

Letcommonsenseprevail says...

Huey wrote:
Makes you wonder what the driver was doing, double deckers frequently seem to "turn over" or be driven under a low bridge. Glad no one is seriously hurt.
You muppet. Whatever the driver was doing, I doubt very much he was deliberately endangering the life of all those kids. Why don't you wait for some confirmed info before you start casting doubts about the driver......
[quote][p][bold]Huey[/bold] wrote: Makes you wonder what the driver was doing, double deckers frequently seem to "turn over" or be driven under a low bridge. Glad no one is seriously hurt.[/p][/quote]You muppet. Whatever the driver was doing, I doubt very much he was deliberately endangering the life of all those kids. Why don't you wait for some confirmed info before you start casting doubts about the driver...... Letcommonsenseprevail
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12:29pm Mon 15 Oct 12

stench says...

Thank fook no one was hurt, and I bet the kids love having such a story to tell now.

Look out for the Youtube videos :)
Thank fook no one was hurt, and I bet the kids love having such a story to tell now. Look out for the Youtube videos :) stench
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12:30pm Mon 15 Oct 12

stench says...

*seriously hurt* i should have said...
*seriously hurt* i should have said... stench
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12:37pm Mon 15 Oct 12

Simon 1965 says...

snowleopard wrote:
Plymouth based company, Weymouth based bus by look of livery.
Yes indeed, a Weymouth depot bus, one of four outstationed overnight at a secure location at Poole, primarilly for one local service and the Kington Maurward contracts.

Looks like a lucky escape for all concerned.

Simon N.
[quote][p][bold]snowleopard[/bold] wrote: Plymouth based company, Weymouth based bus by look of livery.[/p][/quote]Yes indeed, a Weymouth depot bus, one of four outstationed overnight at a secure location at Poole, primarilly for one local service and the Kington Maurward contracts. Looks like a lucky escape for all concerned. Simon N. Simon 1965
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1:06pm Mon 15 Oct 12

CmdrBond says...

Huey wrote:
Makes you wonder what the driver was doing, double deckers frequently seem to "turn over" or be driven under a low bridge.
Glad no one is seriously hurt.
The last bus to topple over was the #50 to Swanage, and that was 4 years ago - and was taking avoiding action from to motorists who were racing each other in the opposite direction.

As for buses getting stuck under bridges, I cannot remember the last time.

I know it happens, but it is not as frequent as you make out.

As for what the driver was doing in this instance, we will not know until the report comes out - but he could well have been taking avoiding action.

I love the way that the driver is immediately thought to be the one at fault!
[quote][p][bold]Huey[/bold] wrote: Makes you wonder what the driver was doing, double deckers frequently seem to "turn over" or be driven under a low bridge. Glad no one is seriously hurt.[/p][/quote]The last bus to topple over was the #50 to Swanage, and that was 4 years ago - and was taking avoiding action from to motorists who were racing each other in the opposite direction. As for buses getting stuck under bridges, I cannot remember the last time. I know it happens, but it is not as frequent as you make out. As for what the driver was doing in this instance, we will not know until the report comes out - but he could well have been taking avoiding action. I love the way that the driver is immediately thought to be the one at fault! CmdrBond
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1:07pm Mon 15 Oct 12

CmdrBond says...

Phil.C. wrote:
Until the full facts are known it might be best to keep quiet.
Probably the sanest comment here.

Well said.
[quote][p][bold]Phil.C.[/bold] wrote: Until the full facts are known it might be best to keep quiet.[/p][/quote]Probably the sanest comment here. Well said. CmdrBond
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1:13pm Mon 15 Oct 12

CmdrBond says...

Jasmineatcarter wrote:
I was on the bus and it was a trainee driver and the road was wet and slippery we are all very lucky to be alive if the bus was as packed as it usually is the bus may of flipped again and i wouldnt like to say what may have happened
Also in the original article:
"Five students and the driver - believed to be a trainee... "

I would judt like to point out to anyone who isn't sure that in this instance, a trainee would refer to someone who may not have full knowledge of the route. It does not mean that s/he was a "driver under instruction", as it is illegal for anyone to operate a service without a full license - provisional licenses do not count.

Therefore, in this respect, trainee could equally mean a driver who has recently passed his test and is learning the route, or an experienced driver with many years behind the wheel learning a new route.
[quote][p][bold]Jasmineatcarter[/bold] wrote: I was on the bus and it was a trainee driver and the road was wet and slippery we are all very lucky to be alive if the bus was as packed as it usually is the bus may of flipped again and i wouldnt like to say what may have happened[/p][/quote]Also in the original article: "Five students and the driver - believed to be a trainee... " I would judt like to point out to anyone who isn't sure that in this instance, a trainee would refer to someone who may not have full knowledge of the route. It does not mean that s/he was a "driver under instruction", as it is illegal for anyone to operate a service without a full license - provisional licenses do not count. Therefore, in this respect, trainee could equally mean a driver who has recently passed his test and is learning the route, or an experienced driver with many years behind the wheel learning a new route. CmdrBond
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1:16pm Mon 15 Oct 12

CmdrBond says...

Ellesw wrote:
This is why these buses need seatbelts, so scary travelling so fast with no thought for safety. Im glad everyone is ok!
Buses do not travel over 55MPH by law, and on a single lane carriageway are restricted to 40MPH! - not that is often achievable.

Where do you base your "no thought for safety" comment?
[quote][p][bold]Ellesw[/bold] wrote: This is why these buses need seatbelts, so scary travelling so fast with no thought for safety. Im glad everyone is ok![/p][/quote]Buses do not travel over 55MPH by law, and on a single lane carriageway are restricted to 40MPH! - not that is often achievable. Where do you base your "no thought for safety" comment? CmdrBond
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1:18pm Mon 15 Oct 12

rudolph_hucker says...

CmdrBond wrote:
Huey wrote:
Makes you wonder what the driver was doing, double deckers frequently seem to "turn over" or be driven under a low bridge.
Glad no one is seriously hurt.
The last bus to topple over was the #50 to Swanage, and that was 4 years ago - and was taking avoiding action from to motorists who were racing each other in the opposite direction.

As for buses getting stuck under bridges, I cannot remember the last time.

I know it happens, but it is not as frequent as you make out.

As for what the driver was doing in this instance, we will not know until the report comes out - but he could well have been taking avoiding action.

I love the way that the driver is immediately thought to be the one at fault!
Last time a bus with school children on went under a bridge was Sept 2011.
Driver at fault.
[quote][p][bold]CmdrBond[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Huey[/bold] wrote: Makes you wonder what the driver was doing, double deckers frequently seem to "turn over" or be driven under a low bridge. Glad no one is seriously hurt.[/p][/quote]The last bus to topple over was the #50 to Swanage, and that was 4 years ago - and was taking avoiding action from to motorists who were racing each other in the opposite direction. As for buses getting stuck under bridges, I cannot remember the last time. I know it happens, but it is not as frequent as you make out. As for what the driver was doing in this instance, we will not know until the report comes out - but he could well have been taking avoiding action. I love the way that the driver is immediately thought to be the one at fault![/p][/quote]Last time a bus with school children on went under a bridge was Sept 2011. Driver at fault. rudolph_hucker
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1:20pm Mon 15 Oct 12

not too distant says...

Best not to infer responsibility on the driver - the depot staff are very quick to criticise! (However, as most people in the area have less than admirable views regarding their experiences with said drivers it is likely that they will initially point the finger..)
Best not to infer responsibility on the driver - the depot staff are very quick to criticise! (However, as most people in the area have less than admirable views regarding their experiences with said drivers it is likely that they will initially point the finger..) not too distant
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1:22pm Mon 15 Oct 12

Angrydolphin says...

Think this is where a lorry fell of the road a couple of years ago and then again just a few weeks ago. Road side was never fixed just had a sign placed there saying edge of carriageway eroded or soft carriageway IIRC .
Think this is where a lorry fell of the road a couple of years ago and then again just a few weeks ago. Road side was never fixed just had a sign placed there saying edge of carriageway eroded or soft carriageway IIRC . Angrydolphin
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1:43pm Mon 15 Oct 12

Dave240267 says...

Will, I was a Bus Driver for 7 years, and I can see in the Vid, on the back of the Bus, a cctv cam, so there will be one on the front, one on the driver, and about 6 in side the Bus. So the full facts will be seen.
Will, I was a Bus Driver for 7 years, and I can see in the Vid, on the back of the Bus, a cctv cam, so there will be one on the front, one on the driver, and about 6 in side the Bus. So the full facts will be seen. Dave240267
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1:50pm Mon 15 Oct 12

Courtney7201 says...

I was on the bus at the time and it was terrifying- especially being at the top. I think the wheel slipped off the road, into a ditch about half a foot deep, and when the driver tried to rectify the situation, the wheel that slipped off (front left) jarred, making the bus tip over. People sat on the right side, including myself, were flung on top of the people on the left side, and people were squashed on top of us. It was so scary- noone could move and I was told by others that a man in a car beind us had smashed the back window so we could clamber out. If that man is reading now, I'd like to say thank you for helping us.
I was on the bus at the time and it was terrifying- especially being at the top. I think the wheel slipped off the road, into a ditch about half a foot deep, and when the driver tried to rectify the situation, the wheel that slipped off (front left) jarred, making the bus tip over. People sat on the right side, including myself, were flung on top of the people on the left side, and people were squashed on top of us. It was so scary- noone could move and I was told by others that a man in a car beind us had smashed the back window so we could clamber out. If that man is reading now, I'd like to say thank you for helping us. Courtney7201
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1:55pm Mon 15 Oct 12

Courtney7201 says...

CmdrBond wrote:
Huey wrote:
Makes you wonder what the driver was doing, double deckers frequently seem to "turn over" or be driven under a low bridge.
Glad no one is seriously hurt.
The last bus to topple over was the #50 to Swanage, and that was 4 years ago - and was taking avoiding action from to motorists who were racing each other in the opposite direction.

As for buses getting stuck under bridges, I cannot remember the last time.

I know it happens, but it is not as frequent as you make out.

As for what the driver was doing in this instance, we will not know until the report comes out - but he could well have been taking avoiding action.

I love the way that the driver is immediately thought to be the one at fault!
To be honest, it was more the driver's fault than anyone elses. He was the driver, there was noone overtaking or opposite us on the road, and he had plenty of space on the road. Just saying.
[quote][p][bold]CmdrBond[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Huey[/bold] wrote: Makes you wonder what the driver was doing, double deckers frequently seem to "turn over" or be driven under a low bridge. Glad no one is seriously hurt.[/p][/quote]The last bus to topple over was the #50 to Swanage, and that was 4 years ago - and was taking avoiding action from to motorists who were racing each other in the opposite direction. As for buses getting stuck under bridges, I cannot remember the last time. I know it happens, but it is not as frequent as you make out. As for what the driver was doing in this instance, we will not know until the report comes out - but he could well have been taking avoiding action. I love the way that the driver is immediately thought to be the one at fault![/p][/quote]To be honest, it was more the driver's fault than anyone elses. He was the driver, there was noone overtaking or opposite us on the road, and he had plenty of space on the road. Just saying. Courtney7201
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1:58pm Mon 15 Oct 12

westhamtenant says...

Jasmineatcarter wrote:
I was on the bus and it was a trainee driver and the road was wet and slippery we are all very lucky to be alive if the bus was as packed as it usually is the bus may of flipped again and i wouldnt like to say what may have happened
jasmine i wish you and your fellow students a speedy recovery,glad that most of you were unhurt xx
[quote][p][bold]Jasmineatcarter[/bold] wrote: I was on the bus and it was a trainee driver and the road was wet and slippery we are all very lucky to be alive if the bus was as packed as it usually is the bus may of flipped again and i wouldnt like to say what may have happened[/p][/quote]jasmine i wish you and your fellow students a speedy recovery,glad that most of you were unhurt xx westhamtenant
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2:13pm Mon 15 Oct 12

muscliffman says...

Usual reactions and ill informed hysteria happening here.
Let us have some facts as sensibly also suggested.
It is clearly very unhelpful for the media to (yet again) use the comments coming from (in this case shocked) kids to promote a 'story'.
This was an accident, the cause is unknown, so please wait for the findings of experienced experts before passing premature judgement.
Despite the very alarming pictures everyone will be OK, so ths perhaps rather confirms how safe a bus is - not the reverse.
The vehicle belongs to the big transport Company, First Group (West Coast Railway fame....).
Usual reactions and ill informed hysteria happening here. Let us have some facts as sensibly also suggested. It is clearly very unhelpful for the media to (yet again) use the comments coming from (in this case shocked) kids to promote a 'story'. This was an accident, the cause is unknown, so please wait for the findings of experienced experts before passing premature judgement. Despite the very alarming pictures everyone will be OK, so ths perhaps rather confirms how safe a bus is - not the reverse. The vehicle belongs to the big transport Company, First Group (West Coast Railway fame....). muscliffman
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2:14pm Mon 15 Oct 12

Courtney7201 says...

I squashed someone when we flipped, and when we were upside down all I could say was 'I'm sorry! I'm really sorry!' And 'omigodomigodomigod' When we got off of the bus people were panicking, and all I could do was hyperventilate and shout 'how the ***k do you flip over a ***king bus?!' I was very angry. Understandably. XD
I squashed someone when we flipped, and when we were upside down all I could say was 'I'm sorry! I'm really sorry!' And 'omigodomigodomigod' When we got off of the bus people were panicking, and all I could do was hyperventilate and shout 'how the ***k do you flip over a ***king bus?!' I was very angry. Understandably. XD Courtney7201
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2:54pm Mon 15 Oct 12

rayc says...

No matter what happened one thing is for sure and that is that the surface of the A350 between Upton Bypass and Limberlost is a disgrace for a main trunk road. They resurfaced either side of the Limberlost traffic lights last year, the whole road needs doing.
No matter what happened one thing is for sure and that is that the surface of the A350 between Upton Bypass and Limberlost is a disgrace for a main trunk road. They resurfaced either side of the Limberlost traffic lights last year, the whole road needs doing. rayc
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3:09pm Mon 15 Oct 12

muscliffman says...

Courtney7201 wrote:
I squashed someone when we flipped, and when we were upside down all I could say was 'I'm sorry! I'm really sorry!' And 'omigodomigodomigod' When we got off of the bus people were panicking, and all I could do was hyperventilate and shout 'how the ***k do you flip over a ***king bus?!' I was very angry. Understandably. XD
What on earth were you doing on there Davina?
[quote][p][bold]Courtney7201[/bold] wrote: I squashed someone when we flipped, and when we were upside down all I could say was 'I'm sorry! I'm really sorry!' And 'omigodomigodomigod' When we got off of the bus people were panicking, and all I could do was hyperventilate and shout 'how the ***k do you flip over a ***king bus?!' I was very angry. Understandably. XD[/p][/quote]What on earth were you doing on there Davina? muscliffman
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3:31pm Mon 15 Oct 12

Ganmor says...

In Bournemouth & Poole, it is very frequent for Drivers under supervision to have an almost constant conversation with the Driver supervising them.

If this isn't a distraction to a trainee, then there cannot be much else that would be.

It would seem that this could well be considered when the official investigation is under way.

Perhaps First should look at compensation for the trauma.
In Bournemouth & Poole, it is very frequent for Drivers under supervision to have an almost constant conversation with the Driver supervising them. If this isn't a distraction to a trainee, then there cannot be much else that would be. It would seem that this could well be considered when the official investigation is under way. Perhaps First should look at compensation for the trauma. Ganmor
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3:44pm Mon 15 Oct 12

muscliffman says...

Ganmor wrote:
In Bournemouth & Poole, it is very frequent for Drivers under supervision to have an almost constant conversation with the Driver supervising them.

If this isn't a distraction to a trainee, then there cannot be much else that would be.

It would seem that this could well be considered when the official investigation is under way.

Perhaps First should look at compensation for the trauma.
Wondered when that word 'com..pen..say..shun
' would pop up.
Cannot see the kids bruises for pound signs eh? Know someone on board do you?
Meanwhile, memo to bus Supervisors - do not speak to trainee to warn them they are about to drive bus over a cliff, it might distract them.
Gee.................
..where do they come from?
[quote][p][bold]Ganmor[/bold] wrote: In Bournemouth & Poole, it is very frequent for Drivers under supervision to have an almost constant conversation with the Driver supervising them. If this isn't a distraction to a trainee, then there cannot be much else that would be. It would seem that this could well be considered when the official investigation is under way. Perhaps First should look at compensation for the trauma.[/p][/quote]Wondered when that word 'com..pen..say..shun ' would pop up. Cannot see the kids bruises for pound signs eh? Know someone on board do you? Meanwhile, memo to bus Supervisors - do not speak to trainee to warn them they are about to drive bus over a cliff, it might distract them. Gee................. ..where do they come from? muscliffman
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4:30pm Mon 15 Oct 12

Dave240267 says...

Well, the CCTV will show it all, and any talk from the driver and from the supervising as well, the bus has very good Mic's on them. I have been the trainee and the supervising side of this job, and yes you do talk, but I never had any one supervising me to drive the routes, we had to do the routes sitting on the buses with some eles driving, we only got supervising for the first 2 days on the road. And in no way could we drive a school bus. He would of been a new driver to First and in he's first days of Driving. Why he was driving a school bus, on a very long route, as a new driver and having supervising, First will have to tell us that one !!!!
Well, the CCTV will show it all, and any talk from the driver and from the supervising as well, the bus has very good Mic's on them. I have been the trainee and the supervising side of this job, and yes you do talk, but I never had any one supervising me to drive the routes, we had to do the routes sitting on the buses with some eles driving, we only got supervising for the first 2 days on the road. And in no way could we drive a school bus. He would of been a new driver to First and in he's first days of Driving. Why he was driving a school bus, on a very long route, as a new driver and having supervising, First will have to tell us that one !!!! Dave240267
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4:36pm Mon 15 Oct 12

chairboy2 says...

Simon 1965 wrote:
snowleopard wrote: Plymouth based company, Weymouth based bus by look of livery.
Yes indeed, a Weymouth depot bus, one of four outstationed overnight at a secure location at Poole, primarilly for one local service and the Kington Maurward contracts. Looks like a lucky escape for all concerned. Simon N.
anoraks
[quote][p][bold]Simon 1965[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]snowleopard[/bold] wrote: Plymouth based company, Weymouth based bus by look of livery.[/p][/quote]Yes indeed, a Weymouth depot bus, one of four outstationed overnight at a secure location at Poole, primarilly for one local service and the Kington Maurward contracts. Looks like a lucky escape for all concerned. Simon N.[/p][/quote]anoraks chairboy2
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4:42pm Mon 15 Oct 12

socoolmichael says...

Was this bus not fitted with seat belts? if it was then why were the students not wearing them at the time of the accident and it wasn't, then why not..?
Was this bus not fitted with seat belts? if it was then why were the students not wearing them at the time of the accident and it wasn't, then why not..? socoolmichael
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4:55pm Mon 15 Oct 12

Dave240267 says...

socoolmichael wrote:
Was this bus not fitted with seat belts? if it was then why were the students not wearing them at the time of the accident and it wasn't, then why not..?
It does not have to have seat belts, it is a P.S.V route, but it is a very long route and on out of town road's, and should of been a coach with seat belts, but bus company's get away with this.
[quote][p][bold]socoolmichael[/bold] wrote: Was this bus not fitted with seat belts? if it was then why were the students not wearing them at the time of the accident and it wasn't, then why not..?[/p][/quote]It does not have to have seat belts, it is a P.S.V route, but it is a very long route and on out of town road's, and should of been a coach with seat belts, but bus company's get away with this. Dave240267
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4:59pm Mon 15 Oct 12

rayc says...

socoolmichael wrote:
Was this bus not fitted with seat belts? if it was then why were the students not wearing them at the time of the accident and it wasn't, then why not..?
This is an 'urban' service bus and not exempt from having seat belts in the relevant regulations. Whether this type of bus should be used for the purpose it was is a question for the authorities but many double decker buses are used on the bus run to rural locations.

The Department for Transport say: "Since 2001, seatbelts must be fitted to all new buses, coaches and minibuses, apart from urban buses certified to carry standing passengers.
These tend to travel relatively slowly, over short distances, with frequent stops.
The design of many urban buses makes it technically difficult for adequate seatbelts to be fitted retrospectively.
There are no plans to review the law".
[quote][p][bold]socoolmichael[/bold] wrote: Was this bus not fitted with seat belts? if it was then why were the students not wearing them at the time of the accident and it wasn't, then why not..?[/p][/quote]This is an 'urban' service bus and not exempt from having seat belts in the relevant regulations. Whether this type of bus should be used for the purpose it was is a question for the authorities but many double decker buses are used on the bus run to rural locations. The Department for Transport say: "Since 2001, seatbelts must be fitted to all new buses, coaches and minibuses, apart from urban buses certified to carry standing passengers. These tend to travel relatively slowly, over short distances, with frequent stops. The design of many urban buses makes it technically difficult for adequate seatbelts to be fitted retrospectively. There are no plans to review the law". rayc
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5:00pm Mon 15 Oct 12

rayc says...

Sorry first sentence should be "IS exempt"
Sorry first sentence should be "IS exempt" rayc
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5:12pm Mon 15 Oct 12

Dave240267 says...

rayc wrote:
socoolmichael wrote:
Was this bus not fitted with seat belts? if it was then why were the students not wearing them at the time of the accident and it wasn't, then why not..?
This is an 'urban' service bus and not exempt from having seat belts in the relevant regulations. Whether this type of bus should be used for the purpose it was is a question for the authorities but many double decker buses are used on the bus run to rural locations.

The Department for Transport say: "Since 2001, seatbelts must be fitted to all new buses, coaches and minibuses, apart from urban buses certified to carry standing passengers.
These tend to travel relatively slowly, over short distances, with frequent stops.
The design of many urban buses makes it technically difficult for adequate seatbelts to be fitted retrospectively.
There are no plans to review the law".
Yes, and this is wry all bus company's get away with this, all P,S,V buses have the sign, saying so many standing passengers, and if it is a stop/start route, they can use the bus out of the urban town, the department for transport, call a stop/start route, Urban
[quote][p][bold]rayc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]socoolmichael[/bold] wrote: Was this bus not fitted with seat belts? if it was then why were the students not wearing them at the time of the accident and it wasn't, then why not..?[/p][/quote]This is an 'urban' service bus and not exempt from having seat belts in the relevant regulations. Whether this type of bus should be used for the purpose it was is a question for the authorities but many double decker buses are used on the bus run to rural locations. The Department for Transport say: "Since 2001, seatbelts must be fitted to all new buses, coaches and minibuses, apart from urban buses certified to carry standing passengers. These tend to travel relatively slowly, over short distances, with frequent stops. The design of many urban buses makes it technically difficult for adequate seatbelts to be fitted retrospectively. There are no plans to review the law".[/p][/quote]Yes, and this is wry all bus company's get away with this, all P,S,V buses have the sign, saying so many standing passengers, and if it is a stop/start route, they can use the bus out of the urban town, the department for transport, call a stop/start route, Urban Dave240267
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5:36pm Mon 15 Oct 12

Joe_Bloggs says...

I believe that seat belts are exempt from Urban and "Service" buses. "Service" buses are those that run regular routes on timetables with a number.
The blame for non seatbelt arguments here lies entirely with the government who due to withdrawing funding to local councils have throw a major problem at county councils who can no longer afford to subsidise school bus routes.
Because of this bus companies are jumping in running service buses along these routes at school times in order to make a quick buck, but the buses they use are regular run of the mill service buses and therefore are built to these regulations, which also would allow for a new driver to drive the service as it is not specific to school children.
I regularly travel to work on a bus that has many students on it, but it is a normal service bus.
I believe that seat belts are exempt from Urban and "Service" buses. "Service" buses are those that run regular routes on timetables with a number. The blame for non seatbelt arguments here lies entirely with the government who due to withdrawing funding to local councils have throw a major problem at county councils who can no longer afford to subsidise school bus routes. Because of this bus companies are jumping in running service buses along these routes at school times in order to make a quick buck, but the buses they use are regular run of the mill service buses and therefore are built to these regulations, which also would allow for a new driver to drive the service as it is not specific to school children. I regularly travel to work on a bus that has many students on it, but it is a normal service bus. Joe_Bloggs
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5:39pm Mon 15 Oct 12

l'anglais says...

Why comment on accidents involving pain and suffering?
Do something less useful and buy The Sun.
Why comment on accidents involving pain and suffering? Do something less useful and buy The Sun. l'anglais
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5:57pm Mon 15 Oct 12

rayc says...

l'anglais wrote:
Why comment on accidents involving pain and suffering?
Do something less useful and buy The Sun.
Most accidents cause pain and suffering. Should we therefore not discuss road safety or the policy of the Police to cut the number of KSI accidents on our roads?
I agree with you that buying the Sun would be less useful than this debate.
[quote][p][bold]l'anglais[/bold] wrote: Why comment on accidents involving pain and suffering? Do something less useful and buy The Sun.[/p][/quote]Most accidents cause pain and suffering. Should we therefore not discuss road safety or the policy of the Police to cut the number of KSI accidents on our roads? I agree with you that buying the Sun would be less useful than this debate. rayc
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5:59pm Mon 15 Oct 12

goonlinger says...

rayc wrote:
l'anglais wrote:
Why comment on accidents involving pain and suffering?
Do something less useful and buy The Sun.
Most accidents cause pain and suffering. Should we therefore not discuss road safety or the policy of the Police to cut the number of KSI accidents on our roads?
I agree with you that buying the Sun would be less useful than this debate.
I would say that (luckily) in this case, the pain and suffering was quite mild.
[quote][p][bold]rayc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]l'anglais[/bold] wrote: Why comment on accidents involving pain and suffering? Do something less useful and buy The Sun.[/p][/quote]Most accidents cause pain and suffering. Should we therefore not discuss road safety or the policy of the Police to cut the number of KSI accidents on our roads? I agree with you that buying the Sun would be less useful than this debate.[/p][/quote]I would say that (luckily) in this case, the pain and suffering was quite mild. goonlinger
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6:02pm Mon 15 Oct 12

jodieharriet says...

I live around here and the roads are a bloody nightmare. Don't be so quick to judge the driver guys
I live around here and the roads are a bloody nightmare. Don't be so quick to judge the driver guys jodieharriet
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6:25pm Mon 15 Oct 12

not too distant says...

(Spot the comments from First employees: "Dont be so quick to judge".. "Lets wait for the facts".. "Wondered when compensation would be mentioned... scorn..")
Fact 1, no oncoming vehicles or road obstacle. Fact 2, no punctured tyre or mechanical failure. Fact 3, 56 youngsters on the bus under the care and supervision of two paid adult drivers. Fact 4, the bus was driven off the road surface. Fact 5, 16 to 18 year olds admitted to hospital instead of a classroom. Criticise me all you want, but the quality of the 'service' provided has decreased in line with the decreasing wages (or in other words, the staff aren't what they used to be.)
(Spot the comments from First employees: "Dont be so quick to judge".. "Lets wait for the facts".. "Wondered when compensation would be mentioned... scorn..") Fact 1, no oncoming vehicles or road obstacle. Fact 2, no punctured tyre or mechanical failure. Fact 3, 56 youngsters on the bus under the care and supervision of two paid adult drivers. Fact 4, the bus was driven off the road surface. Fact 5, 16 to 18 year olds admitted to hospital instead of a classroom. Criticise me all you want, but the quality of the 'service' provided has decreased in line with the decreasing wages (or in other words, the staff aren't what they used to be.) not too distant
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6:26pm Mon 15 Oct 12

Letcommonsenseprevail says...

rayc wrote:
l'anglais wrote:
Why comment on accidents involving pain and suffering?
Do something less useful and buy The Sun.
Most accidents cause pain and suffering. Should we therefore not discuss road safety or the policy of the Police to cut the number of KSI accidents on our roads?
I agree with you that buying the Sun would be less useful than this debate.
I could not disagree less. Buying The Sun is extremely useful as it supports the paper recycling industry.
[quote][p][bold]rayc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]l'anglais[/bold] wrote: Why comment on accidents involving pain and suffering? Do something less useful and buy The Sun.[/p][/quote]Most accidents cause pain and suffering. Should we therefore not discuss road safety or the policy of the Police to cut the number of KSI accidents on our roads? I agree with you that buying the Sun would be less useful than this debate.[/p][/quote]I could not disagree less. Buying The Sun is extremely useful as it supports the paper recycling industry. Letcommonsenseprevail
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6:33pm Mon 15 Oct 12

marabout says...

Having just spoken to well informed source I now have it that the reason the bus toppled over was that it swerved to avoid an Austrian parachutist.
Having just spoken to well informed source I now have it that the reason the bus toppled over was that it swerved to avoid an Austrian parachutist. marabout
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6:36pm Mon 15 Oct 12

Dorset Boy says...

Oh how I love the armchair 'experts' on here. They know it all and yet know nothing. Leave the results for those on scene and know what they are looking for.
Oh how I love the armchair 'experts' on here. They know it all and yet know nothing. Leave the results for those on scene and know what they are looking for. Dorset Boy
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6:45pm Mon 15 Oct 12

whatever66 says...

what a sad nation we are arguing with yourselfs over an accident oh and look the little twerps with a phone camera trying to show off the glory SAD SAD SAD is all im saying
what a sad nation we are arguing with yourselfs over an accident oh and look the little twerps with a phone camera trying to show off the glory SAD SAD SAD is all im saying whatever66
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6:47pm Mon 15 Oct 12

b26b says...

not too distant wrote:
(Spot the comments from First employees: "Dont be so quick to judge".. "Lets wait for the facts".. "Wondered when compensation would be mentioned... scorn..")
Fact 1, no oncoming vehicles or road obstacle. Fact 2, no punctured tyre or mechanical failure. Fact 3, 56 youngsters on the bus under the care and supervision of two paid adult drivers. Fact 4, the bus was driven off the road surface. Fact 5, 16 to 18 year olds admitted to hospital instead of a classroom. Criticise me all you want, but the quality of the 'service' provided has decreased in line with the decreasing wages (or in other words, the staff aren't what they used to be.)
Well done sherlock!! How come your privy to what you call 'facts'?
I drive this road every so often and its in a hideous state. Its not fit to be called a trunk route.It would not surprise me if the sudden soft verge was a factor here. I note the camber in some places is quite steep as well.No im not a bus driver but a mere plumber drive a lot on the roads in the area and have noted Dorset has some of the worst road surfaces in the south.
[quote][p][bold]not too distant[/bold] wrote: (Spot the comments from First employees: "Dont be so quick to judge".. "Lets wait for the facts".. "Wondered when compensation would be mentioned... scorn..") Fact 1, no oncoming vehicles or road obstacle. Fact 2, no punctured tyre or mechanical failure. Fact 3, 56 youngsters on the bus under the care and supervision of two paid adult drivers. Fact 4, the bus was driven off the road surface. Fact 5, 16 to 18 year olds admitted to hospital instead of a classroom. Criticise me all you want, but the quality of the 'service' provided has decreased in line with the decreasing wages (or in other words, the staff aren't what they used to be.)[/p][/quote]Well done sherlock!! How come your privy to what you call 'facts'? I drive this road every so often and its in a hideous state. Its not fit to be called a trunk route.It would not surprise me if the sudden soft verge was a factor here. I note the camber in some places is quite steep as well.No im not a bus driver but a mere plumber drive a lot on the roads in the area and have noted Dorset has some of the worst road surfaces in the south. b26b
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6:57pm Mon 15 Oct 12

muscliffman says...

For goodness sake all this rubbish about seat-belts.
A service bus, which this was, does not have to have such belts - regardless of passenger profile. Legislation in my view sensibly allows this for practical (think about it) reasons and importantly because bus passengers are already known to be substantially safer on such a vehicle than if they were in a car (and wearing seat-belts).
The bus Operator's are not 'getting away' with anything by not providing belts, they would I am sure if the contractor (usually Council) required it - but the Authorities do not for the sound reasons as above.
But hang on for the rise in Council tax, or simply the loss altogether of many school buses if you demand belts on buses, because even pointless accessories cost a lot of money.
Unsupervised kids, sometimes even supervised ones, do not usually wear seat-belts (you cannot force them) even when they are available. Ask a school coach driver about this - it is not their responsibility either, before that one kicks off.
To clarify a point, the retrospective fitting of seat-belts to existing buses has been rendered virtually impossible by bureacratic rules applied to post 2002 build buses. In the past it was simple and inexpensive. So popular, if only I think percieved in this instance, safety is legislated against - classic.
Coaches, by definition a higher speed vehicle, have all been fitted with belts for years - this still does not mean the kids wear them though.
The service bus involved in this quite dramatic accident here did not have seat-belts and everyone has survived so please what is the point people are making on here about them?
For goodness sake all this rubbish about seat-belts. A service bus, which this was, does not have to have such belts - regardless of passenger profile. Legislation in my view sensibly allows this for practical (think about it) reasons and importantly because bus passengers are already known to be substantially safer on such a vehicle than if they were in a car (and wearing seat-belts). The bus Operator's are not 'getting away' with anything by not providing belts, they would I am sure if the contractor (usually Council) required it - but the Authorities do not for the sound reasons as above. But hang on for the rise in Council tax, or simply the loss altogether of many school buses if you demand belts on buses, because even pointless accessories cost a lot of money. Unsupervised kids, sometimes even supervised ones, do not usually wear seat-belts (you cannot force them) even when they are available. Ask a school coach driver about this - it is not their responsibility either, before that one kicks off. To clarify a point, the retrospective fitting of seat-belts to existing buses has been rendered virtually impossible by bureacratic rules applied to post 2002 build buses. In the past it was simple and inexpensive. So popular, if only I think percieved in this instance, safety is legislated against - classic. Coaches, by definition a higher speed vehicle, have all been fitted with belts for years - this still does not mean the kids wear them though. The service bus involved in this quite dramatic accident here did not have seat-belts and everyone has survived so please what is the point people are making on here about them? muscliffman
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7:12pm Mon 15 Oct 12

ashleycross says...

When I used to use the bus to get the kids to school I lost count of the number of drivers that missed a turning and we all had to tell them they'd gone the wrong way. How can they be concentrating on driving when they don't even know where they are going?
When I used to use the bus to get the kids to school I lost count of the number of drivers that missed a turning and we all had to tell them they'd gone the wrong way. How can they be concentrating on driving when they don't even know where they are going? ashleycross
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7:23pm Mon 15 Oct 12

angel.2072amanda says...

The one thing i hate about buses is people being aloud by law to stand. i have been on buses numerous of times n the drivers let far to many people on and some drivers actually do drive a bit to fast as i have witnessed people getting hurt. Having seat belts on buses will not make any difference as some people would refuse to wear them although i do think it is a gd idea. I also think standing should be band has well.
The one thing i hate about buses is people being aloud by law to stand. i have been on buses numerous of times n the drivers let far to many people on and some drivers actually do drive a bit to fast as i have witnessed people getting hurt. Having seat belts on buses will not make any difference as some people would refuse to wear them although i do think it is a gd idea. I also think standing should be band has well. angel.2072amanda
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8:37pm Mon 15 Oct 12

bobby1966 says...

Dave240267 wrote:
Well, the CCTV will show it all, and any talk from the driver and from the supervising as well, the bus has very good Mic's on them. I have been the trainee and the supervising side of this job, and yes you do talk, but I never had any one supervising me to drive the routes, we had to do the routes sitting on the buses with some eles driving, we only got supervising for the first 2 days on the road. And in no way could we drive a school bus. He would of been a new driver to First and in he's first days of Driving. Why he was driving a school bus, on a very long route, as a new driver and having supervising, First will have to tell us that one !!!!
what nonsense and you used to work for the company ,how do you know this was a new driver ,you need to get your facts straight mate.this driver was a weymouth based driver who had been here a while but he was learning the school routes for the poole side so he was not a new driver.

lets just all be thankful that nobody died or got seriously inured and lets give praise to the way the kids handled the situation.

as you know a full and proper investigation will take place by the proper people ie police and first and the results will come out.

lets not lay the blame before all the facts are layed out
[quote][p][bold]Dave240267[/bold] wrote: Well, the CCTV will show it all, and any talk from the driver and from the supervising as well, the bus has very good Mic's on them. I have been the trainee and the supervising side of this job, and yes you do talk, but I never had any one supervising me to drive the routes, we had to do the routes sitting on the buses with some eles driving, we only got supervising for the first 2 days on the road. And in no way could we drive a school bus. He would of been a new driver to First and in he's first days of Driving. Why he was driving a school bus, on a very long route, as a new driver and having supervising, First will have to tell us that one !!!![/p][/quote]what nonsense and you used to work for the company ,how do you know this was a new driver ,you need to get your facts straight mate.this driver was a weymouth based driver who had been here a while but he was learning the school routes for the poole side so he was not a new driver. lets just all be thankful that nobody died or got seriously inured and lets give praise to the way the kids handled the situation. as you know a full and proper investigation will take place by the proper people ie police and first and the results will come out. lets not lay the blame before all the facts are layed out bobby1966
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10:11pm Mon 15 Oct 12

sapphire26 says...

My first thoughts when hearing this story that the bus must have caught the edge of the road that is eroded in many places on that route and in the surrounding roads. I drive along here everyday to do the school run to Lytchett and I often observe and discuss the state of the side of the roads to my daughters. It is bad especially if you get forced over to the side of the road by other users.
People are quick to blame the driver, no one thinks how he must be feeling at this awful time.
As others have said wait and see what the outcome is from an enquiry, no one willingly turns a vehicle over.
My first thoughts when hearing this story that the bus must have caught the edge of the road that is eroded in many places on that route and in the surrounding roads. I drive along here everyday to do the school run to Lytchett and I often observe and discuss the state of the side of the roads to my daughters. It is bad especially if you get forced over to the side of the road by other users. People are quick to blame the driver, no one thinks how he must be feeling at this awful time. As others have said wait and see what the outcome is from an enquiry, no one willingly turns a vehicle over. sapphire26
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11:25pm Mon 15 Oct 12

Paradise_Blue says...

Second crash in the same spot this week, I personally think it's the road, it's terrible! I've had 3 new tyres and a new windscreen from it!!!
Second crash in the same spot this week, I personally think it's the road, it's terrible! I've had 3 new tyres and a new windscreen from it!!! Paradise_Blue
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11:31pm Mon 15 Oct 12

Old Harry says...

angel.2072amanda wrote:
The one thing i hate about buses is people being aloud by law to stand. i have been on buses numerous of times n the drivers let far to many people on and some drivers actually do drive a bit to fast as i have witnessed people getting hurt. Having seat belts on buses will not make any difference as some people would refuse to wear them although i do think it is a gd idea. I also think standing should be band has well.
Congratulations. You have been nominated for today's award for the best use of the English language!
[quote][p][bold]angel.2072amanda[/bold] wrote: The one thing i hate about buses is people being aloud by law to stand. i have been on buses numerous of times n the drivers let far to many people on and some drivers actually do drive a bit to fast as i have witnessed people getting hurt. Having seat belts on buses will not make any difference as some people would refuse to wear them although i do think it is a gd idea. I also think standing should be band has well.[/p][/quote]Congratulations. You have been nominated for today's award for the best use of the English language! Old Harry
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11:33pm Mon 15 Oct 12

Paradise_Blue says...

rayc wrote:
No matter what happened one thing is for sure and that is that the surface of the A350 between Upton Bypass and Limberlost is a disgrace for a main trunk road. They resurfaced either side of the Limberlost traffic lights last year, the whole road needs doing.
Well said..it's never done properly they just fill in pot holes and hope for the best
[quote][p][bold]rayc[/bold] wrote: No matter what happened one thing is for sure and that is that the surface of the A350 between Upton Bypass and Limberlost is a disgrace for a main trunk road. They resurfaced either side of the Limberlost traffic lights last year, the whole road needs doing.[/p][/quote]Well said..it's never done properly they just fill in pot holes and hope for the best Paradise_Blue
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8:27am Tue 16 Oct 12

pudwell762 says...

I don't think you can blame the driver, there was an accident in exactly the same spot last week. The A350 has been dangerous for, at least, the last three years, with debris on the side of the roads, potholes and hedges growing in to the road. This particular section of the road has been sodden with water over the last few weeks and collapsed on the opposite side, the road deterioration is down to the council. The answer to the problem was for the council to put a narrow road sign up fifty yards from the hotspot rather than repair the road.

POTHOLES NO EXCUSE!!
I don't think you can blame the driver, there was an accident in exactly the same spot last week. The A350 has been dangerous for, at least, the last three years, with debris on the side of the roads, potholes and hedges growing in to the road. This particular section of the road has been sodden with water over the last few weeks and collapsed on the opposite side, the road deterioration is down to the council. The answer to the problem was for the council to put a narrow road sign up fifty yards from the hotspot rather than repair the road. POTHOLES NO EXCUSE!! pudwell762
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8:38am Tue 16 Oct 12

pudwell762 says...

I don't think you can blame the driver, there was an accident in exactly the same spot last week. The A350 has been dangerous for, at least, the last three years, with debris on the side of the roads, potholes and hedges growing in to the road. This particular section of the road has been sodden with water over the last few weeks and collapsed on the opposite side, the road deterioration is down to the council. The answer to the problem was for the council to put a narrow road sign up fifty yards from the hotspot rather than repair the road.

POTHOLES NO EXCUSE!!
I don't think you can blame the driver, there was an accident in exactly the same spot last week. The A350 has been dangerous for, at least, the last three years, with debris on the side of the roads, potholes and hedges growing in to the road. This particular section of the road has been sodden with water over the last few weeks and collapsed on the opposite side, the road deterioration is down to the council. The answer to the problem was for the council to put a narrow road sign up fifty yards from the hotspot rather than repair the road. POTHOLES NO EXCUSE!! pudwell762
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9:16am Tue 16 Oct 12

rayc says...

pudwell762 wrote:
I don't think you can blame the driver, there was an accident in exactly the same spot last week. The A350 has been dangerous for, at least, the last three years, with debris on the side of the roads, potholes and hedges growing in to the road. This particular section of the road has been sodden with water over the last few weeks and collapsed on the opposite side, the road deterioration is down to the council. The answer to the problem was for the council to put a narrow road sign up fifty yards from the hotspot rather than repair the road.

POTHOLES NO EXCUSE!!
No you have it wrong. No Excuse only applies to Enforcement by Dorsetroadsafe, not Engineering by the Highways Agency and Councils.
The A350 is a complete joke as a main trunk route all the way from Poole to Shaftsbury and beyond.
I regularly drive a large vehicle past where this accident took place and the road surface is terrible.
[quote][p][bold]pudwell762[/bold] wrote: I don't think you can blame the driver, there was an accident in exactly the same spot last week. The A350 has been dangerous for, at least, the last three years, with debris on the side of the roads, potholes and hedges growing in to the road. This particular section of the road has been sodden with water over the last few weeks and collapsed on the opposite side, the road deterioration is down to the council. The answer to the problem was for the council to put a narrow road sign up fifty yards from the hotspot rather than repair the road. POTHOLES NO EXCUSE!![/p][/quote]No you have it wrong. No Excuse only applies to Enforcement by Dorsetroadsafe, not Engineering by the Highways Agency and Councils. The A350 is a complete joke as a main trunk route all the way from Poole to Shaftsbury and beyond. I regularly drive a large vehicle past where this accident took place and the road surface is terrible. rayc
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9:41am Tue 16 Oct 12

tripmaster says...

maybe it was not the drivers fault but Dorset council roads and bridges department, they spent thousands on canford bottom roundabout, when for years this accident has been waiting to happen at this part of the road, not a few days ago a lorry went over here, DOES THIS NOT TELL YOU SOMTHING, the road from upton flyover all the way though to stur marshall roundabout is bad, thank god no one was killed, maybe the council will now look into fixing the road, WE CAN ONLY HOPE.
maybe it was not the drivers fault but Dorset council roads and bridges department, they spent thousands on canford bottom roundabout, when for years this accident has been waiting to happen at this part of the road, not a few days ago a lorry went over here, DOES THIS NOT TELL YOU SOMTHING, the road from upton flyover all the way though to stur marshall roundabout is bad, thank god no one was killed, maybe the council will now look into fixing the road, WE CAN ONLY HOPE. tripmaster
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10:07am Tue 16 Oct 12

Dave240267 says...

bobby1966 wrote:
Dave240267 wrote:
Well, the CCTV will show it all, and any talk from the driver and from the supervising as well, the bus has very good Mic's on them. I have been the trainee and the supervising side of this job, and yes you do talk, but I never had any one supervising me to drive the routes, we had to do the routes sitting on the buses with some eles driving, we only got supervising for the first 2 days on the road. And in no way could we drive a school bus. He would of been a new driver to First and in he's first days of Driving. Why he was driving a school bus, on a very long route, as a new driver and having supervising, First will have to tell us that one !!!!
what nonsense and you used to work for the company ,how do you know this was a new driver ,you need to get your facts straight mate.this driver was a weymouth based driver who had been here a while but he was learning the school routes for the poole side so he was not a new driver.

lets just all be thankful that nobody died or got seriously inured and lets give praise to the way the kids handled the situation.

as you know a full and proper investigation will take place by the proper people ie police and first and the results will come out.

lets not lay the blame before all the facts are layed out
I did not say, if you was to get your facts right, and read right, tat I worked for THE company.
I got my facts right, working for a better cmpany by the sound's of it.
And you said it I think you will find, he was a new driver on that route, working from waymouth, and learning a new route to poole, with a bus full of kids and doing the driving.
He should of been sat on the bus learning the route, and the driver that has driven the route should of been driving, and that is from my facts from doing the job for 7 years, and a better and safer company for kid to get to school on, by the looks of it, now you have said that about them.
[quote][p][bold]bobby1966[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave240267[/bold] wrote: Well, the CCTV will show it all, and any talk from the driver and from the supervising as well, the bus has very good Mic's on them. I have been the trainee and the supervising side of this job, and yes you do talk, but I never had any one supervising me to drive the routes, we had to do the routes sitting on the buses with some eles driving, we only got supervising for the first 2 days on the road. And in no way could we drive a school bus. He would of been a new driver to First and in he's first days of Driving. Why he was driving a school bus, on a very long route, as a new driver and having supervising, First will have to tell us that one !!!![/p][/quote]what nonsense and you used to work for the company ,how do you know this was a new driver ,you need to get your facts straight mate.this driver was a weymouth based driver who had been here a while but he was learning the school routes for the poole side so he was not a new driver. lets just all be thankful that nobody died or got seriously inured and lets give praise to the way the kids handled the situation. as you know a full and proper investigation will take place by the proper people ie police and first and the results will come out. lets not lay the blame before all the facts are layed out[/p][/quote]I did not say, if you was to get your facts right, and read right, tat I worked for THE company. I got my facts right, working for a better cmpany by the sound's of it. And you said it I think you will find, he was a new driver on that route, working from waymouth, and learning a new route to poole, with a bus full of kids and doing the driving. He should of been sat on the bus learning the route, and the driver that has driven the route should of been driving, and that is from my facts from doing the job for 7 years, and a better and safer company for kid to get to school on, by the looks of it, now you have said that about them. Dave240267
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10:48am Tue 16 Oct 12

paul.p says...

That's the 3rd accident at that spot. 2 lorries and now a Bus. The side of the road is shot to pieces and if you think a sign is going to stop others doing it then think again.

I think Dorset county council need to get some good lawyers.
That's the 3rd accident at that spot. 2 lorries and now a Bus. The side of the road is shot to pieces and if you think a sign is going to stop others doing it then think again. I think Dorset county council need to get some good lawyers. paul.p
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1:30pm Tue 16 Oct 12

Cherry19 says...

Agree with Paul.P - I travel along the A350 twice every day and the verge along the northbound side is very dangerous, at that point and further up near Rushalls Lane, the road just slips away into the ditch, only last week there was a lorry that went off the road ... you have to be careful in a car let along a large vehicle - agree, the council should have dealt with this, they were even road surfacing the road not so long ago!
Agree with Paul.P - I travel along the A350 twice every day and the verge along the northbound side is very dangerous, at that point and further up near Rushalls Lane, the road just slips away into the ditch, only last week there was a lorry that went off the road ... you have to be careful in a car let along a large vehicle - agree, the council should have dealt with this, they were even road surfacing the road not so long ago! Cherry19
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7:32pm Tue 16 Oct 12

b26b says...

Drove past accident site today. Large drop where bus went down, they have cut the hedges back since accident and you can see very clearly just how close the steep drop is to the carrigeway, its bang on the edge line.A yellow sign warning of 'edge deteroation ahead' is mainly hidden away by a bush.Its seems very likely this road was to blame. I think DCC highways need to answer to the HSE. Its not fit to be a trunk route, will it take a death for them to do something? Thank god no one was killed in this accident. Why do we bother paying road tax? whats the point? the roads in Dorset are getting worse very quickly. Maybee the money has been spunked on the Weymouth relif road and Candford Bottom.
Drove past accident site today. Large drop where bus went down, they have cut the hedges back since accident and you can see very clearly just how close the steep drop is to the carrigeway, its bang on the edge line.A yellow sign warning of 'edge deteroation ahead' is mainly hidden away by a bush.Its seems very likely this road was to blame. I think DCC highways need to answer to the HSE. Its not fit to be a trunk route, will it take a death for them to do something? Thank god no one was killed in this accident. Why do we bother paying road tax? whats the point? the roads in Dorset are getting worse very quickly. Maybee the money has been spunked on the Weymouth relif road and Candford Bottom. b26b
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7:55pm Tue 16 Oct 12

not too distant says...

Hey b26b, do you know what else is generally next to a roads edge line? Pedestrian pavements. Should the public stop being suprised if buses go over them?
Hey b26b, do you know what else is generally next to a roads edge line? Pedestrian pavements. Should the public stop being suprised if buses go over them? not too distant
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8:02pm Tue 16 Oct 12

b26b says...

not too distant wrote:
Hey b26b, do you know what else is generally next to a roads edge line? Pedestrian pavements. Should the public stop being suprised if buses go over them?
How many pavements can you name down a narrow road in a 60mph limit? Have you been down the A350 and seen the state it is in? Did you see where the Bus went off? Have you see the warning sign hidden by bushes? When did you last hear of a bus mowing down pedestrians on a pavement doing 40mph plus? Can you be sure that a similar occurance by a lorry is just poor driving by both drivers. I cant be sure but Im guessing the poor state of the road played its part, im sure if you went dwn this road often enough you may think again.
[quote][p][bold]not too distant[/bold] wrote: Hey b26b, do you know what else is generally next to a roads edge line? Pedestrian pavements. Should the public stop being suprised if buses go over them?[/p][/quote]How many pavements can you name down a narrow road in a 60mph limit? Have you been down the A350 and seen the state it is in? Did you see where the Bus went off? Have you see the warning sign hidden by bushes? When did you last hear of a bus mowing down pedestrians on a pavement doing 40mph plus? Can you be sure that a similar occurance by a lorry is just poor driving by both drivers. I cant be sure but Im guessing the poor state of the road played its part, im sure if you went dwn this road often enough you may think again. b26b
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8:56pm Tue 16 Oct 12

CMD-UK says...

A couple of years ago a truck slipped off the road in exactly the same spot due to the road being very wet and another truck travelling in the opposite direction being over the white line.
Driver was NOT at fault at the time and no one hurt.
Just over a week ago another Articulated truck "Slipped" off the road in the same spot, same thing again (and NO the council had not repaired the road just put a sign up?)
Yet again this happens.
Now children have been involved does anyone think the council will actually do something about the road!
Oh and I travel that road twice a day and have done so for the past 5 years and apart from a few sections that have been repaired it was never designed for the HGVs that use it constantly.
Really glad all the kids and the driver were not badly hurt :)
A couple of years ago a truck slipped off the road in exactly the same spot due to the road being very wet and another truck travelling in the opposite direction being over the white line. Driver was NOT at fault at the time and no one hurt. Just over a week ago another Articulated truck "Slipped" off the road in the same spot, same thing again (and NO the council had not repaired the road just put a sign up?) Yet again this happens. Now children have been involved does anyone think the council will actually do something about the road! Oh and I travel that road twice a day and have done so for the past 5 years and apart from a few sections that have been repaired it was never designed for the HGVs that use it constantly. Really glad all the kids and the driver were not badly hurt :) CMD-UK
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9:39am Wed 17 Oct 12

stench says...

not too distant wrote:
Hey b26b, do you know what else is generally next to a roads edge line? Pedestrian pavements. Should the public stop being suprised if buses go over them?
you really are a mindless noob... what a stupid comment!
[quote][p][bold]not too distant[/bold] wrote: Hey b26b, do you know what else is generally next to a roads edge line? Pedestrian pavements. Should the public stop being suprised if buses go over them?[/p][/quote]you really are a mindless noob... what a stupid comment! stench
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4:40pm Wed 17 Oct 12

school bus safety group says...

Huey wrote:
Makes you wonder what the driver was doing, double deckers frequently seem to "turn over" or be driven under a low bridge. Glad no one is seriously hurt.
So very very Lucky, until the next time, but why do bus companies & local authorities play with pupils lives.

Cost, as cheap as possible, your council & the bus companies are legally responsbile for your childs safety, regardless !!!!

There is no way round this, its a legal requirement of every council & bus company.

Your council can also stipulate any conditions it wishes in its transport contract.Again thats the law!!.
So why do your buses not have seat belts?
Do pupils stand, there should be a seat for every pupil.

If you need information on school bus safety, visit our site where you will find help to take matters forward.


Stand up for your childs safety on school transport.
www.schoolbus.org.uk
[quote][p][bold]Huey[/bold] wrote: Makes you wonder what the driver was doing, double deckers frequently seem to "turn over" or be driven under a low bridge. Glad no one is seriously hurt.[/p][/quote]So very very Lucky, until the next time, but why do bus companies & local authorities play with pupils lives. Cost, as cheap as possible, your council & the bus companies are legally responsbile for your childs safety, regardless !!!! There is no way round this, its a legal requirement of every council & bus company. Your council can also stipulate any conditions it wishes in its transport contract.Again thats the law!!. So why do your buses not have seat belts? Do pupils stand, there should be a seat for every pupil. If you need information on school bus safety, visit our site where you will find help to take matters forward. Stand up for your childs safety on school transport. www.schoolbus.org.uk school bus safety group
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4:54pm Wed 17 Oct 12

school bus safety group says...

Huey wrote:
Makes you wonder what the driver was doing, double deckers frequently seem to "turn over" or be driven under a low bridge. Glad no one is seriously hurt.
So very very Lucky, until the next time, but why do bus companies & local authorities play with pupils lives.

Cost, as cheap as possible, your council & the bus companies are legally responsbile for your childs safety, regardless !!!!

There is no way round this, its a legal requirement of every council & bus company.

Your council can also stipulate any conditions it wishes in its transport contract.Again thats the law!!.
So why do your buses not have seat belts?
Do pupils stand, there should be a seat for every pupil.

If you need information on school bus safety, visit our site where you will find help to take matters forward.


Stand up for your childs safety on school transport.
www.schoolbus.org.uk
[quote][p][bold]Huey[/bold] wrote: Makes you wonder what the driver was doing, double deckers frequently seem to "turn over" or be driven under a low bridge. Glad no one is seriously hurt.[/p][/quote]So very very Lucky, until the next time, but why do bus companies & local authorities play with pupils lives. Cost, as cheap as possible, your council & the bus companies are legally responsbile for your childs safety, regardless !!!! There is no way round this, its a legal requirement of every council & bus company. Your council can also stipulate any conditions it wishes in its transport contract.Again thats the law!!. So why do your buses not have seat belts? Do pupils stand, there should be a seat for every pupil. If you need information on school bus safety, visit our site where you will find help to take matters forward. Stand up for your childs safety on school transport. www.schoolbus.org.uk ” school bus safety group
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