Market traders in Dorchester shocked by proposed plan to stop them selling

FORCED OUT: Market traders in South Street, Dorchester who are concerned at the potential closure by the council HG10069

FORCED OUT: Market traders in South Street, Dorchester who are concerned at the potential closure by the council HG10069

First published in News Dorset Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Dorchester reporter

MARKET traders in Dorchester’s main shopping street say plans to stop them trading have come as a ‘bombshell’.

A proposal has been put forward that will see traders at Cornhill Market cease trading from 2014 in a bid to improve the street scene of South Street.

Stallholders have been left outraged by the proposals and have also received support from local businesses.

West Dorset District Council’s Dorchester Markets informal joint panel is to consider proposals to close the market in 2014 when it holds a closed meeting tomorrow as it is claimed it ‘does not add to the street-scene of South Street or the shopping experience of visitors’.

Rowena and Jennifer Evans from Country Arts Picture Framers are regular stallholders at Cornhill Market.

In a joint email to the council they said: “As you can imagine, this has been a bombshell to all of us.

“There are many among the traders who have spent years building up their businesses and customer bases from this location.

“The proposal to disband the existing traders and not issue them with licenses after 2014 with no explanation as to the reasons behind this drastic action is unfair.”

Rowena and Jennifer said they would be willing to work with the council to reach a satisfactory solution if the authority was willing to engage with them.

Paetra Withnall runs her Paetra’s Accessories stall at the market most days selling jewellery, scarves and bags.

She said: “A number of stalls have been there for years.

“We have survived there and that is why we are still standing – because people want us to be there.”

Mrs Withnall also challenged the notion that the market detracted from the overall street scene in South Street, claiming it added vibrancy and was not only popular with shoppers but also shops themselves.

She said: “We have got stunning stalls out there and we have a good rapport with the shops.”

Mark Kaufman, who owns Top Drawer card and gift shop in South Street, said he would hate to see the market forced to close.

He said: “I think it’s ridiculous that they are going to be taken away.”

Mr Kaufman said that if the council was keen to enhance the street scene it could give the traders permanent cabins like those used at the Christmas markets in Bournemouth and Southampton.

The market traders have compiled statements outlining their objections to the proposed closure and sent them to West Dorset MP Oliver Letwin.

WDDC Will Consider Any Proposals

A SPOKESMAN said West Dorset District Council said the Dorchester Markets Informal Joint Panel will consider any proposals at their meeting on Wednesday and will then make recommendations to the district and town council. The spokesman added: “Any decision will be made by members of the executive committee of West Dorset District Council and the policy committee of Dorchester Town Council.”

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1:52pm Tue 16 Oct 12

Dorset Guy says...

Private meeting - something fishy there - need to make sure everybody has to be nearer Brewery Square in 2014 then?
Private meeting - something fishy there - need to make sure everybody has to be nearer Brewery Square in 2014 then? Dorset Guy
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2:39pm Tue 16 Oct 12

lostnfound says...

I have never seen letters to the editor of this or any other paper or protest marches along South Street by irate residents calling for these stalls to be removed.
It sounds as if certain individuals in the council wish to impose their private opinions again in the guise of enhancing the street scene, like the imposition of the so-called traffic calming on Dorchester Road and Preston Road in Weymouth where no residents were complaining about traffic.
I thought, perhaps wrongly, that they were working for benefit of the tax payers, not dreaming up schemes to justify their existence.
I have never seen letters to the editor of this or any other paper or protest marches along South Street by irate residents calling for these stalls to be removed. It sounds as if certain individuals in the council wish to impose their private opinions again in the guise of enhancing the street scene, like the imposition of the so-called traffic calming on Dorchester Road and Preston Road in Weymouth where no residents were complaining about traffic. I thought, perhaps wrongly, that they were working for benefit of the tax payers, not dreaming up schemes to justify their existence. lostnfound
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3:05pm Tue 16 Oct 12

dan'not'there says...

I would suggest that councillors lost the will to preserve the "street scene" anywhere in Dorchester when they approved the BRIDGE HOUSE monstrosity in Prince of Wales road.

I vote we keep the stalls - they provide a local service and add to the CORNHILL athmosphere.
I would suggest that councillors lost the will to preserve the "street scene" anywhere in Dorchester when they approved the BRIDGE HOUSE monstrosity in Prince of Wales road. I vote we keep the stalls - they provide a local service and add to the CORNHILL athmosphere. dan'not'there
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4:49pm Tue 16 Oct 12

alan_h says...

There have been market stalls in Cornhill since long before WDDC existed and I would rather see the end of WDDC than the loss of those stalls. They cause no obstruction, unlike those wretched French / Italian / Moroccan (etc.) street markets that block South Street, stop deliveries to local shops and impede customer access to those shops.

Futhermore, will WDDC ever do anything to get rid of the infernal A-boards that are strewn about the town?

Using gobbledegook like "does not add to the street-scene of South Street or the shopping experience of visitors" is no substitute for putting forward a rational argument to support these proposals. Then again, can anyone think of a rational argument?
There have been market stalls in Cornhill since long before WDDC existed and I would rather see the end of WDDC than the loss of those stalls. They cause no obstruction, unlike those wretched French / Italian / Moroccan (etc.) street markets that block South Street, stop deliveries to local shops and impede customer access to those shops. Futhermore, will WDDC ever do anything to get rid of the infernal A-boards that are strewn about the town? Using gobbledegook like "does not add to the street-scene of South Street or the shopping experience of visitors" is no substitute for putting forward a rational argument to support these proposals. Then again, can anyone think of a rational argument? alan_h
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6:03pm Tue 16 Oct 12

Dorset Boy says...

alan_h wrote:
There have been market stalls in Cornhill since long before WDDC existed and I would rather see the end of WDDC than the loss of those stalls. They cause no obstruction, unlike those wretched French / Italian / Moroccan (etc.) street markets that block South Street, stop deliveries to local shops and impede customer access to those shops.

Futhermore, will WDDC ever do anything to get rid of the infernal A-boards that are strewn about the town?

Using gobbledegook like "does not add to the street-scene of South Street or the shopping experience of visitors" is no substitute for putting forward a rational argument to support these proposals. Then again, can anyone think of a rational argument?
Yet another step towards the death knell for South St. Alan H has hit the nail on the head with his first comments about the foreign street markets who have NO idea whatsoever about food hygiene. I have in the past complained about the lack of covers on food stuffs, only to be told by WDDC that there is no problem.
[quote][p][bold]alan_h[/bold] wrote: There have been market stalls in Cornhill since long before WDDC existed and I would rather see the end of WDDC than the loss of those stalls. They cause no obstruction, unlike those wretched French / Italian / Moroccan (etc.) street markets that block South Street, stop deliveries to local shops and impede customer access to those shops. Futhermore, will WDDC ever do anything to get rid of the infernal A-boards that are strewn about the town? Using gobbledegook like "does not add to the street-scene of South Street or the shopping experience of visitors" is no substitute for putting forward a rational argument to support these proposals. Then again, can anyone think of a rational argument?[/p][/quote]Yet another step towards the death knell for South St. Alan H has hit the nail on the head with his first comments about the foreign street markets who have NO idea whatsoever about food hygiene. I have in the past complained about the lack of covers on food stuffs, only to be told by WDDC that there is no problem. Dorset Boy
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11:20pm Tue 16 Oct 12

CoogarUK.com says...

I entirely agree with those who have already made similar comments: The Cornhill stalls are a tradition going back many, many years and I feel they do actually add something to the street scene. If an improvement is needed it is to get rid of those dreadful street markets that clog up the whole of South St. on a regular basis.

So, yet another closed council meeting then? It is surely time for some kind of proper protest to ensure WDDC gets the message that they are elected to serve US and not THEM.
I entirely agree with those who have already made similar comments: The Cornhill stalls are a tradition going back many, many years and I feel they do actually add something to the street scene. If an improvement is needed it is to get rid of those dreadful street markets that clog up the whole of South St. on a regular basis. So, yet another closed council meeting then? It is surely time for some kind of proper protest to ensure WDDC gets the message that they are elected to serve US and not THEM. CoogarUK.com
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11:12am Wed 17 Oct 12

DickDastardly says...

Good to see Diarmuid Gavin providing Celebrity support at the back there.
Good to see Diarmuid Gavin providing Celebrity support at the back there. DickDastardly
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11:47am Wed 17 Oct 12

JamesYoung says...

Amazing news. I was thinking the council were giving up on their objective of creating mass unemployment in the town when they announced that phase 2 of the Charles Street development would include shops rather than a public sector bike store and parking for the mobile library. What a relief to hear that they are back to secret meetings, doublespeak and police actions against anything that creates, rather than consumes, tax revenues.
Amazing news. I was thinking the council were giving up on their objective of creating mass unemployment in the town when they announced that phase 2 of the Charles Street development would include shops rather than a public sector bike store and parking for the mobile library. What a relief to hear that they are back to secret meetings, doublespeak and police actions against anything that creates, rather than consumes, tax revenues. JamesYoung
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1:25pm Wed 17 Oct 12

gestco says...

why not leave them to trade, wddc need to look at the near by town of Bridport who have a good street market twice a week. The stall holders pay there rent and i am sure west dorset manage to spend it.
may be if the shop rates were not so high they would be able to trade in a shop
why not leave them to trade, wddc need to look at the near by town of Bridport who have a good street market twice a week. The stall holders pay there rent and i am sure west dorset manage to spend it. may be if the shop rates were not so high they would be able to trade in a shop gestco
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2:07pm Wed 17 Oct 12

misshls says...

The fruit and veg stall sells the tastiest nicest veg available in Dorchester town, please don't force me to use the supermarket. Markets are a tradition, they add a sense of community that one doesn't get from a supermarket.
The fruit and veg stall sells the tastiest nicest veg available in Dorchester town, please don't force me to use the supermarket. Markets are a tradition, they add a sense of community that one doesn't get from a supermarket. misshls
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3:13pm Wed 17 Oct 12

Swerving says...

Good Grief.... an article about Dorchester without the Town Crier in it!!

You are failing Echo.

But thern he is a councillor of some description, why don't you stand up and say your piece Alistair?
Good Grief.... an article about Dorchester without the Town Crier in it!! You are failing Echo. But thern he is a councillor of some description, why don't you stand up and say your piece Alistair? Swerving
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4:20pm Wed 17 Oct 12

portland rebel says...

got to remember we are just plebs here to be persicuted by the council because they are all so much wiser than us.
got to remember we are just plebs here to be persicuted by the council because they are all so much wiser than us. portland rebel
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4:55pm Wed 17 Oct 12

baggins11 says...

Flowers, burgers and furniture from the tip? Win a Mini? Sky TV?
Does anyone actually buy from them?
Get rid of them I say.
Flowers, burgers and furniture from the tip? Win a Mini? Sky TV? Does anyone actually buy from them? Get rid of them I say. baggins11
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5:28pm Wed 17 Oct 12

marabout says...

DickDastardly wrote:
Good to see Diarmuid Gavin providing Celebrity support at the back there.
Celebrity ??????
[quote][p][bold]DickDastardly[/bold] wrote: Good to see Diarmuid Gavin providing Celebrity support at the back there.[/p][/quote]Celebrity ?????? marabout
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8:18pm Wed 17 Oct 12

JamesYoung says...

Swerving wrote:
Good Grief.... an article about Dorchester without the Town Crier in it!! You are failing Echo. But thern he is a councillor of some description, why don't you stand up and say your piece Alistair?
Alistair is a town councillor and it is WDDC who are pushing this. I very much doubt Alistair would support any scheme that results in unemployment or traditions in the town.
[quote][p][bold]Swerving[/bold] wrote: Good Grief.... an article about Dorchester without the Town Crier in it!! You are failing Echo. But thern he is a councillor of some description, why don't you stand up and say your piece Alistair?[/p][/quote]Alistair is a town councillor and it is WDDC who are pushing this. I very much doubt Alistair would support any scheme that results in unemployment or traditions in the town. JamesYoung
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8:23pm Wed 17 Oct 12

Get a grip says...

JamesYoung wrote:
Swerving wrote: Good Grief.... an article about Dorchester without the Town Crier in it!! You are failing Echo. But thern he is a councillor of some description, why don't you stand up and say your piece Alistair?
Alistair is a town councillor and it is WDDC who are pushing this. I very much doubt Alistair would support any scheme that results in unemployment or traditions in the town.
James Young

He is a district councillor.
[quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Swerving[/bold] wrote: Good Grief.... an article about Dorchester without the Town Crier in it!! You are failing Echo. But thern he is a councillor of some description, why don't you stand up and say your piece Alistair?[/p][/quote]Alistair is a town councillor and it is WDDC who are pushing this. I very much doubt Alistair would support any scheme that results in unemployment or traditions in the town.[/p][/quote]James Young He is a district councillor. Get a grip
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10:19pm Wed 17 Oct 12

gem_squash says...

Get a grip wrote:
JamesYoung wrote:
Swerving wrote: Good Grief.... an article about Dorchester without the Town Crier in it!! You are failing Echo. But thern he is a councillor of some description, why don't you stand up and say your piece Alistair?
Alistair is a town councillor and it is WDDC who are pushing this. I very much doubt Alistair would support any scheme that results in unemployment or traditions in the town.
James Young

He is a district councillor.
Instead of being short sighted and contrived, why can't WDDC invest something back into the community. Instead of threatening the traders with closure why can't they invest some time and money to help "add to the street scene".
Take a look at this link:

http://www.francisfr
ith.com/dorchester/m
emories/when-we-were
-young_82741/

The market has been an intrinsic part of Dorchester long before any member of WDDC could form an intelligent sentence.
[quote][p][bold]Get a grip[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Swerving[/bold] wrote: Good Grief.... an article about Dorchester without the Town Crier in it!! You are failing Echo. But thern he is a councillor of some description, why don't you stand up and say your piece Alistair?[/p][/quote]Alistair is a town councillor and it is WDDC who are pushing this. I very much doubt Alistair would support any scheme that results in unemployment or traditions in the town.[/p][/quote]James Young He is a district councillor.[/p][/quote]Instead of being short sighted and contrived, why can't WDDC invest something back into the community. Instead of threatening the traders with closure why can't they invest some time and money to help "add to the street scene". Take a look at this link: http://www.francisfr ith.com/dorchester/m emories/when-we-were -young_82741/ The market has been an intrinsic part of Dorchester long before any member of WDDC could form an intelligent sentence. gem_squash
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7:35am Thu 18 Oct 12

Hippy Steve says...

JamesYoung wrote:
Swerving wrote:
Good Grief.... an article about Dorchester without the Town Crier in it!! You are failing Echo. But thern he is a councillor of some description, why don't you stand up and say your piece Alistair?
Alistair is a town councillor and it is WDDC who are pushing this. I very much doubt Alistair would support any scheme that results in unemployment or traditions in the town.
Alistair is a WDDC councillor for the Charminster and Cerne Valley ward.
http://www.dorsetfor
you.com/councillorch
isholm/west

He is also a member of the group which met in secret to agree proposals to close stalls without any public consultation whatsoever.

I leave you to your own conclusions...
[quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Swerving[/bold] wrote: Good Grief.... an article about Dorchester without the Town Crier in it!! You are failing Echo. But thern he is a councillor of some description, why don't you stand up and say your piece Alistair?[/p][/quote]Alistair is a town councillor and it is WDDC who are pushing this. I very much doubt Alistair would support any scheme that results in unemployment or traditions in the town.[/p][/quote]Alistair is a WDDC councillor for the Charminster and Cerne Valley ward. http://www.dorsetfor you.com/councillorch isholm/west He is also a member of the group which met in secret to agree proposals to close stalls without any public consultation whatsoever. I leave you to your own conclusions... Hippy Steve
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7:44am Thu 18 Oct 12

Hippy Steve says...

I also hear that the benches in South Street are to be removed. Cynical as I am, I wonder who has a vested interest in forcing people to Brewery Square?
I also hear that the benches in South Street are to be removed. Cynical as I am, I wonder who has a vested interest in forcing people to Brewery Square? Hippy Steve
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7:45am Thu 18 Oct 12

JamesYoung says...

Hippy Steve wrote:
JamesYoung wrote:
Swerving wrote: Good Grief.... an article about Dorchester without the Town Crier in it!! You are failing Echo. But thern he is a councillor of some description, why don't you stand up and say your piece Alistair?
Alistair is a town councillor and it is WDDC who are pushing this. I very much doubt Alistair would support any scheme that results in unemployment or traditions in the town.
Alistair is a WDDC councillor for the Charminster and Cerne Valley ward. http://www.dorsetfor you.com/councillorch isholm/west He is also a member of the group which met in secret to agree proposals to close stalls without any public consultation whatsoever. I leave you to your own conclusions...
I stand corrected.
[quote][p][bold]Hippy Steve[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Swerving[/bold] wrote: Good Grief.... an article about Dorchester without the Town Crier in it!! You are failing Echo. But thern he is a councillor of some description, why don't you stand up and say your piece Alistair?[/p][/quote]Alistair is a town councillor and it is WDDC who are pushing this. I very much doubt Alistair would support any scheme that results in unemployment or traditions in the town.[/p][/quote]Alistair is a WDDC councillor for the Charminster and Cerne Valley ward. http://www.dorsetfor you.com/councillorch isholm/west He is also a member of the group which met in secret to agree proposals to close stalls without any public consultation whatsoever. I leave you to your own conclusions...[/p][/quote]I stand corrected. JamesYoung
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7:55am Thu 18 Oct 12

Hippy Steve says...

baggins11 wrote:
Flowers, burgers and furniture from the tip? Win a Mini? Sky TV?
Does anyone actually buy from them?
Get rid of them I say.
With such a clear ability to comment only on the few stalls which you personally consider to be unworthy instead of looking at the the overall popularity of the long-standing stalls (vegetables, jewellery, wool, hardware, etc, etc) and seeing the numbers of people who would rather support local enterprise than chain stores I suggest that you stand for election to WDDC.

You should make leader in a very short time...
[quote][p][bold]baggins11[/bold] wrote: Flowers, burgers and furniture from the tip? Win a Mini? Sky TV? Does anyone actually buy from them? Get rid of them I say.[/p][/quote]With such a clear ability to comment only on the few stalls which you personally consider to be unworthy instead of looking at the the overall popularity of the long-standing stalls (vegetables, jewellery, wool, hardware, etc, etc) and seeing the numbers of people who would rather support local enterprise than chain stores I suggest that you stand for election to WDDC. You should make leader in a very short time... Hippy Steve
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9:34am Thu 18 Oct 12

westendcat says...

I think you'll find that this debacle has its origins in the LibDem element of DorchesterTown Council - to whit, Jones and Lyall.
I think you'll find that this debacle has its origins in the LibDem element of DorchesterTown Council - to whit, Jones and Lyall. westendcat
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10:23am Thu 18 Oct 12

Hippy Steve says...

westendcat wrote:
I think you'll find that this debacle has its origins in the LibDem element of DorchesterTown Council - to whit, Jones and Lyall.
Please elucidate - rather than just pointing a finger, some facts to back up your comment might be appropriate?
[quote][p][bold]westendcat[/bold] wrote: I think you'll find that this debacle has its origins in the LibDem element of DorchesterTown Council - to whit, Jones and Lyall.[/p][/quote]Please elucidate - rather than just pointing a finger, some facts to back up your comment might be appropriate? Hippy Steve
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3:03pm Thu 18 Oct 12

shadybottoms says...

CoogarUK.com wrote:
I entirely agree with those who have already made similar comments: The Cornhill stalls are a tradition going back many, many years and I feel they do actually add something to the street scene. If an improvement is needed it is to get rid of those dreadful street markets that clog up the whole of South St. on a regular basis.

So, yet another closed council meeting then? It is surely time for some kind of proper protest to ensure WDDC gets the message that they are elected to serve US and not THEM.
As a retired ex-market trader in Cornhill, I can confirm that the council (lobbied by some large retailers) have been trying to close the Cornhill market for years. However, the market was given a Royal Charter in the 1300s and I believe that this cannot be closed without an Act of Parliament.
Come on Dorset people - reclaim your rights and do not be bullied by councillors who should be acting on your behalf!
[quote][p][bold]CoogarUK.com[/bold] wrote: I entirely agree with those who have already made similar comments: The Cornhill stalls are a tradition going back many, many years and I feel they do actually add something to the street scene. If an improvement is needed it is to get rid of those dreadful street markets that clog up the whole of South St. on a regular basis. So, yet another closed council meeting then? It is surely time for some kind of proper protest to ensure WDDC gets the message that they are elected to serve US and not THEM.[/p][/quote]As a retired ex-market trader in Cornhill, I can confirm that the council (lobbied by some large retailers) have been trying to close the Cornhill market for years. However, the market was given a Royal Charter in the 1300s and I believe that this cannot be closed without an Act of Parliament. Come on Dorset people - reclaim your rights and do not be bullied by councillors who should be acting on your behalf! shadybottoms
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4:46pm Thu 18 Oct 12

DickDastardly says...

To follow Echo headline naming conventions shouldn't this story have been titled 'Fury in Dorchester over proposed plan to stop market traders doing business'.
To follow Echo headline naming conventions shouldn't this story have been titled 'Fury in Dorchester over proposed plan to stop market traders doing business'. DickDastardly
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6:15pm Thu 18 Oct 12

dontbuyit says...

Sniping aside, this little market is a shot of local colour unique to Dorchester and should be encouraged. It may not be a homogenous picture postcard market but there is demand for their products and it is constantly evolving and changing which keeps interest fresh. South St really is a community hub and losing the market would leave us with anytown UK with it's Poundlands and M&S and Next etc.
Sniping aside, this little market is a shot of local colour unique to Dorchester and should be encouraged. It may not be a homogenous picture postcard market but there is demand for their products and it is constantly evolving and changing which keeps interest fresh. South St really is a community hub and losing the market would leave us with anytown UK with it's Poundlands and M&S and Next etc. dontbuyit
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6:27pm Fri 19 Oct 12

shadybottoms says...

Further to my post yesterday, I believe that WDDC would be in contempt of court if the proposed closure of the Cornhill market went ahead. I believe that this matter went to the High Court in London in the 60s or 70s when a similar attempt was made. A High Court Judge ruled that under the Royal Charter closure could not be made without an amendment by Act of Parliament, therefore a precident has been established. The Town Council was originally responsible for the control and running of this market. During the 90s WDDC assumed responsibility. I would question the legal right of this move under the terms of the Charter. If the WDDC is legally responsible, what monetary compensation is to be offered to the traders? My advice would be for the traders to get legal representation and please contact me if you need further help.
Further to my post yesterday, I believe that WDDC would be in contempt of court if the proposed closure of the Cornhill market went ahead. I believe that this matter went to the High Court in London in the 60s or 70s when a similar attempt was made. A High Court Judge ruled that under the Royal Charter closure could not be made without an amendment by Act of Parliament, therefore a precident has been established. The Town Council was originally responsible for the control and running of this market. During the 90s WDDC assumed responsibility. I would question the legal right of this move under the terms of the Charter. If the WDDC is legally responsible, what monetary compensation is to be offered to the traders? My advice would be for the traders to get legal representation and please contact me if you need further help. shadybottoms
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11:40am Sat 20 Oct 12

Fred Kite says...

Conservative controlled WDDC, is this the same Conservative party which champions small business and wants to roles back the interference of the state?
The same Conservative party which claims “we are all in this together”?
Conservative controlled WDDC, is this the same Conservative party which champions small business and wants to roles back the interference of the state? The same Conservative party which claims “we are all in this together”? Fred Kite
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3:12pm Sat 20 Oct 12

westendcat says...

Dear Hippy Steve
Messrs Jones and Lyall are part of the working group who instigated (along with Chisholme) the review of the Cornhill market. One must also not forget the macheovelli TC of Dorchester, Dennis Holmes.
Dear Hippy Steve Messrs Jones and Lyall are part of the working group who instigated (along with Chisholme) the review of the Cornhill market. One must also not forget the macheovelli TC of Dorchester, Dennis Holmes. westendcat
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3:12pm Sat 20 Oct 12

westendcat says...

Dear Hippy Steve
Messrs Jones and Lyall are part of the working group who instigated (along with Chisholme) the review of the Cornhill market. One must also not forget the macheovelli TC of Dorchester, Dennis Holmes.
Dear Hippy Steve Messrs Jones and Lyall are part of the working group who instigated (along with Chisholme) the review of the Cornhill market. One must also not forget the macheovelli TC of Dorchester, Dennis Holmes. westendcat
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3:31pm Sat 20 Oct 12

westendcat says...

PS ..... Get a Grip may have a few more words to say!!
PS ..... Get a Grip may have a few more words to say!! westendcat
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4:25pm Sat 20 Oct 12

Sunrisedawn says...

shadybottoms wrote:
Further to my post yesterday, I believe that WDDC would be in contempt of court if the proposed closure of the Cornhill market went ahead. I believe that this matter went to the High Court in London in the 60s or 70s when a similar attempt was made. A High Court Judge ruled that under the Royal Charter closure could not be made without an amendment by Act of Parliament, therefore a precident has been established. The Town Council was originally responsible for the control and running of this market. During the 90s WDDC assumed responsibility. I would question the legal right of this move under the terms of the Charter. If the WDDC is legally responsible, what monetary compensation is to be offered to the traders? My advice would be for the traders to get legal representation and please contact me if you need further help.
We (the market traders) would love to talk with you, how do we contact you? Or maybe you could just pop down and see us at Cornhill ....
[quote][p][bold]shadybottoms[/bold] wrote: Further to my post yesterday, I believe that WDDC would be in contempt of court if the proposed closure of the Cornhill market went ahead. I believe that this matter went to the High Court in London in the 60s or 70s when a similar attempt was made. A High Court Judge ruled that under the Royal Charter closure could not be made without an amendment by Act of Parliament, therefore a precident has been established. The Town Council was originally responsible for the control and running of this market. During the 90s WDDC assumed responsibility. I would question the legal right of this move under the terms of the Charter. If the WDDC is legally responsible, what monetary compensation is to be offered to the traders? My advice would be for the traders to get legal representation and please contact me if you need further help.[/p][/quote]We (the market traders) would love to talk with you, how do we contact you? Or maybe you could just pop down and see us at Cornhill .... Sunrisedawn
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5:18pm Sat 20 Oct 12

Will706 says...

As Sunrisedawn said I remember from a few years ago that the market was under the rules of a Royal Charter, therefore WDDC do not have the authority to interviene in the Market and it has to be an Act of Parlement to rule. I would also request that the MAket Traders seek legal advice and as for those people who just sit on their big backsides in the WDDC, Get a life.
As Sunrisedawn said I remember from a few years ago that the market was under the rules of a Royal Charter, therefore WDDC do not have the authority to interviene in the Market and it has to be an Act of Parlement to rule. I would also request that the MAket Traders seek legal advice and as for those people who just sit on their big backsides in the WDDC, Get a life. Will706
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8:13pm Sat 20 Oct 12

dontbuyit says...

A far more worthy project for the WDDC to tackle would be the congestion and pollution of the High St.
With the new council offices where they are, yet more traffic is going to be clogging up the roads around town and yet I've never seen any mention of this in the WDDCs agenda. So shouldn't they be looking at the big problems here instead of what appears to be a political/commercial agenda?
A far more worthy project for the WDDC to tackle would be the congestion and pollution of the High St. With the new council offices where they are, yet more traffic is going to be clogging up the roads around town and yet I've never seen any mention of this in the WDDCs agenda. So shouldn't they be looking at the big problems here instead of what appears to be a political/commercial agenda? dontbuyit
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11:55pm Sat 20 Oct 12

weylin says...

I had the same experience when I lived in London where we had a traditional market on public land. The council wanted to be rid of the market for a new development. Some traders got together with a lawyer to demand a Judicial Review. Unfortunately it turned out the land was no longer protected as it had been sold to the council.
But, we persuaded (along with protests) the council to re site it on the next street!
I had the same experience when I lived in London where we had a traditional market on public land. The council wanted to be rid of the market for a new development. Some traders got together with a lawyer to demand a Judicial Review. Unfortunately it turned out the land was no longer protected as it had been sold to the council. But, we persuaded (along with protests) the council to re site it on the next street! weylin
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3:47pm Sun 21 Oct 12

westendcat says...

Come on, Dennis Holmes, what have you got to say? You have much to say in committee, but precious little to say in public!! Are you a defender of the Ensor clan?
Come on, Dennis Holmes, what have you got to say? You have much to say in committee, but precious little to say in public!! Are you a defender of the Ensor clan? westendcat
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8:04pm Sun 21 Oct 12

SILVERMAN says...

Yet another classic case of the councillors not even considering the wishes of the people who elected them.

The residents clearly want these traders here... or they wouldnt still be in business
Yet another classic case of the councillors not even considering the wishes of the people who elected them. The residents clearly want these traders here... or they wouldnt still be in business SILVERMAN
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3:09am Mon 22 Oct 12

EtaoinShrdlu says...

Ah, the small traders, backbone of the Tory Party, and NONE OF THEM PAY TAX because they trouser all the cash. A trait learned from the Tory hierarchy of course. And very close to the famous Travellers. Meanwhile, the poor old plebs keep paying their taxes and have to put up with all their mess plus the cretinous decisions by the council.
Ah, the small traders, backbone of the Tory Party, and NONE OF THEM PAY TAX because they trouser all the cash. A trait learned from the Tory hierarchy of course. And very close to the famous Travellers. Meanwhile, the poor old plebs keep paying their taxes and have to put up with all their mess plus the cretinous decisions by the council. EtaoinShrdlu
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9:17am Mon 22 Oct 12

Hippy Steve says...

EtaoinShrdlu wrote:
Ah, the small traders, backbone of the Tory Party, and NONE OF THEM PAY TAX because they trouser all the cash. A trait learned from the Tory hierarchy of course. And very close to the famous Travellers. Meanwhile, the poor old plebs keep paying their taxes and have to put up with all their mess plus the cretinous decisions by the council.
Wow! With that sort of bigoted, narrow-minded attitude, if not for the slant on the tories I'd have thought you were at least a council leader, if not a cabinet minister.

Maybe you are but you've just had a few too many to put forward a sensible argument without slandering those hard working entrepreneurs who do pay their taxes, irrespective of their political views?
[quote][p][bold]EtaoinShrdlu[/bold] wrote: Ah, the small traders, backbone of the Tory Party, and NONE OF THEM PAY TAX because they trouser all the cash. A trait learned from the Tory hierarchy of course. And very close to the famous Travellers. Meanwhile, the poor old plebs keep paying their taxes and have to put up with all their mess plus the cretinous decisions by the council.[/p][/quote]Wow! With that sort of bigoted, narrow-minded attitude, if not for the slant on the tories I'd have thought you were at least a council leader, if not a cabinet minister. Maybe you are but you've just had a few too many to put forward a sensible argument without slandering those hard working entrepreneurs who do pay their taxes, irrespective of their political views? Hippy Steve
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2:18pm Mon 22 Oct 12

Sunrisedawn says...

EtaoinShrdlu wrote:
Ah, the small traders, backbone of the Tory Party, and NONE OF THEM PAY TAX because they trouser all the cash. A trait learned from the Tory hierarchy of course. And very close to the famous Travellers. Meanwhile, the poor old plebs keep paying their taxes and have to put up with all their mess plus the cretinous decisions by the council.
Well, "South Ireland" that was a bit rude ..... and written at 3am when most of us are tucked up in bed! For your information we DO pay our taxes. Would you prefer us to be unemployed and claiming benefits? We work hard at Cornhill Market to make a living to support our families, we are not scroungers or thieves, and we do not leave a mess in South Street!
[quote][p][bold]EtaoinShrdlu[/bold] wrote: Ah, the small traders, backbone of the Tory Party, and NONE OF THEM PAY TAX because they trouser all the cash. A trait learned from the Tory hierarchy of course. And very close to the famous Travellers. Meanwhile, the poor old plebs keep paying their taxes and have to put up with all their mess plus the cretinous decisions by the council.[/p][/quote]Well, "South Ireland" that was a bit rude ..... and written at 3am when most of us are tucked up in bed! For your information we DO pay our taxes. Would you prefer us to be unemployed and claiming benefits? We work hard at Cornhill Market to make a living to support our families, we are not scroungers or thieves, and we do not leave a mess in South Street! Sunrisedawn
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3:19pm Mon 22 Oct 12

shadybottoms says...

Sunrisedawn - email me at shadybottoms@yahoo.c
o.uk
Sunrisedawn - email me at shadybottoms@yahoo.c o.uk shadybottoms
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7:46pm Mon 22 Oct 12

misterm says...

Yes, let's get rid of those market stalls. They stop the lorries driving down South Street. Can't have that!
Yes, let's get rid of those market stalls. They stop the lorries driving down South Street. Can't have that! misterm
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