Dorset MPs respond to rule change on expenses

THE subject of expenses has reared its ugly head again as MPs in Dorset and the New Forest respond to the new rules governing their expenses.

A new scheme drawn up by the Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority (Ipsa), which was unveiled yesterday is due to come into effect after the general election.

The new measures will bar MPs from claiming expenses for buying second homes and limit them to employing only one member of their family.

They will also be banned from claiming for first-class rail journeys.

New Forest West MP Conservative Desmond Swayne, who employs his wife said: “We handed over this matter to an independent authority and we have to live its recommendations.

“I hope this is a fresh start and we can now move forward and regain public confidence.”

Poole’s Conservative MP, Robert Syms, said: “It’s going to make things a lot more difficult to claim for legitimate things and do your job. That was always going to be the case.”

He said not all details were known yet but the emphasis should be on “more salary and claim less”. The MP, who employs his ex-wife, said that relationship was not considered to be a family member – but thought it reasonable that one member of the family could be employed.

Mid Dorset and North Poole’s Liberal Democrat MP Annette Brooke said of the second home issue: “I think the only way forward was to move to rent only, because clearly the public are very uncomfortable at profits being made at the taxpayers’ expense.”

South Dorset Labour MP Jim Knight said: “I think it’s inevitable that change would be made because of people’s concerns over paying for MPs’ mortgages. It might prove more expensive for the taxpayer, but if that’s what is needed to restore trust that’s what we have to do.”

He added: “People have to be satisfied that we are not making money on the back of claiming these allowances, so I think that’s the right thing to do.”

Bournemouth East’s Tory MP Tobias Ellwood called the guidelines generally sensible, with the exception of new flat rental rules.

He said: “It makes sense for people coming into Parliament but for many of us established MPs with mortgages and so forth it means selling up and starting to rent.”

Mr Ellwood called for a set amount to be given out, like in the police or army, to minimise room for mistakes.

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7:11am Tue 30 Mar 10

pd7 says...

Will someone please get some good IND people to stand for election in the Dorset area . I do not want to spoil a paper or stay at home . But there is no way I will vote for any of these people.

After the way they have milked the system and the honest people of UK.
Will someone please get some good IND people to stand for election in the Dorset area . I do not want to spoil a paper or stay at home . But there is no way I will vote for any of these people. After the way they have milked the system and the honest people of UK. pd7

7:56am Tue 30 Mar 10

Frogham Ferret says...

It appears that they willstill have a more generous system than the Inland revenue will allow for the honest taxpayer - & they want a pay rise as well!!!

One rule for the taxed another for the tax makers
It appears that they willstill have a more generous system than the Inland revenue will allow for the honest taxpayer - & they want a pay rise as well!!! One rule for the taxed another for the tax makers Frogham Ferret

8:21am Tue 30 Mar 10

contric says...

ellwood says for many of us established MPs with mortgages it means selling up ad rent he forgot to mention it is the taxpayer who subsidised his mortgage and he would be better informed about the problems of people who havent robbed the tax payers if he left lovely holdenhurst and moved into a bedsit in boscombe and thought about the people he represents rather than lining his own pockets
ellwood says for many of us established MPs with mortgages it means selling up ad rent he forgot to mention it is the taxpayer who subsidised his mortgage and he would be better informed about the problems of people who havent robbed the tax payers if he left lovely holdenhurst and moved into a bedsit in boscombe and thought about the people he represents rather than lining his own pockets contric

9:24am Tue 30 Mar 10

McVICAR says...

Even though the expenses scandel is coming to an end it will make no difference to me, I will still be staying at home on polling day.
There is absolutly no person in government, or more so in Dorset, that i would trust on inch, with all the expenses problems coupled with laptop **** and the miss handleing of our hard earned money which we pay in council tax, I.E. surf reef and imax, i would not waste one ounce of breath walking to a polling station to vote for any of these dishonest morons who live mainly on another planet.
Even though the expenses scandel is coming to an end it will make no difference to me, I will still be staying at home on polling day. There is absolutly no person in government, or more so in Dorset, that i would trust on inch, with all the expenses problems coupled with laptop **** and the miss handleing of our hard earned money which we pay in council tax, I.E. surf reef and imax, i would not waste one ounce of breath walking to a polling station to vote for any of these dishonest morons who live mainly on another planet. McVICAR

9:46am Tue 30 Mar 10

Syd Poumen says...

Poole's Conservative MP, Robert Syms actually employed both his former wives at the taxpayers' expense at the same time. To paraphrase The Importance of being Ernest(sic): 'To lose one wife, Mr Syms, may be regarded as a misfortune; to lose two looks like carelessness!'
Furthermore, Syms says:' It's going to make it a lot more difficult to claim for legitimate things.'
Indeed it is and what a shame he will no longer be the joint top claimer of allowances....and he still doesn't get it!
Poole's Conservative MP, Robert Syms actually employed both his former wives at the taxpayers' expense at the same time. To paraphrase The Importance of being Ernest(sic): 'To lose one wife, Mr Syms, may be regarded as a misfortune; to lose two looks like carelessness!' Furthermore, Syms says:' It's going to make it a lot more difficult to claim for legitimate things.' Indeed it is and what a shame he will no longer be the joint top claimer of allowances....and he still doesn't get it! Syd Poumen

11:55am Tue 30 Mar 10

Bad Rabbit says...

For the last 12 years I've paid tax in countries where I have no democratic rights.

I have zero chance from the word go to influence anything.

I could vote in the UK, but as I don't live there, what gives me the right to vote? I pay no taxes in the UK, I don't live there and have no financial commitment there. As I said, I can't with any real justification claim any right to vote in either the council or the national elections.

You're lucky having a chance to take part in elections.

You're lucky to have the chance to directly engage with your councillor, your MP and your MEP. But you've chosen not to and now you've promised to not even vote.

Surely McVicar, that makes you part of the problem?

By not voting, you disenfranchise yourself from the process?

Can we assume you'll therefore refrain from commenting on it?
For the last 12 years I've paid tax in countries where I have no democratic rights. I have zero chance from the word go to influence anything. I could vote in the UK, but as I don't live there, what gives me the right to vote? I pay no taxes in the UK, I don't live there and have no financial commitment there. As I said, I can't with any real justification claim any right to vote in either the council or the national elections. You're lucky having a chance to take part in elections. You're lucky to have the chance to directly engage with your councillor, your MP and your MEP. But you've chosen not to and now you've promised to not even vote. Surely McVicar, that makes you part of the problem? By not voting, you disenfranchise yourself from the process? Can we assume you'll therefore refrain from commenting on it? Bad Rabbit

1:28pm Tue 30 Mar 10

McVICAR says...

Bad Rabbit wrote:
For the last 12 years I've paid tax in countries where I have no democratic rights.

I have zero chance from the word go to influence anything.

I could vote in the UK, but as I don't live there, what gives me the right to vote? I pay no taxes in the UK, I don't live there and have no financial commitment there. As I said, I can't with any real justification claim any right to vote in either the council or the national elections.

You're lucky having a chance to take part in elections.

You're lucky to have the chance to directly engage with your councillor, your MP and your MEP. But you've chosen not to and now you've promised to not even vote.

Surely McVicar, that makes you part of the problem?

By not voting, you disenfranchise yourself from the process?

Can we assume you'll therefore refrain from commenting on it?
I'm not part of the problem at all.
If I were to vote i would be a hypocrite.
Whats the point of voting if there is no body to vote for,
thats why we are in such a state now, some people just vote for the sake of it, perhaps if we all stayed at home it would send a clear message to all members of parliment that the british tax payers have had enough of the theft, lies and deceit that prevails in the corridors of power
[quote][p][bold]Bad Rabbit[/bold] wrote: For the last 12 years I've paid tax in countries where I have no democratic rights. I have zero chance from the word go to influence anything. I could vote in the UK, but as I don't live there, what gives me the right to vote? I pay no taxes in the UK, I don't live there and have no financial commitment there. As I said, I can't with any real justification claim any right to vote in either the council or the national elections. You're lucky having a chance to take part in elections. You're lucky to have the chance to directly engage with your councillor, your MP and your MEP. But you've chosen not to and now you've promised to not even vote. Surely McVicar, that makes you part of the problem? By not voting, you disenfranchise yourself from the process? Can we assume you'll therefore refrain from commenting on it?[/p][/quote]I'm not part of the problem at all. If I were to vote i would be a hypocrite. Whats the point of voting if there is no body to vote for, thats why we are in such a state now, some people just vote for the sake of it, perhaps if we all stayed at home it would send a clear message to all members of parliment that the british tax payers have had enough of the theft, lies and deceit that prevails in the corridors of power McVICAR

11:08am Wed 31 Mar 10

John.Sprackling says...

I note the following Q & A on the FAQ page of the Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority website...
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Q Will the public have access to details of MPs expenses claims/are you publishing all expenses online?

Openness and transparency will be fundamental principles of the IPSA. Details of what will be available online and how it will be accessible will be available shortly.
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According to the Daily Telegraph website <http://www.telegrap
h.co.uk/news/electio
n-2010/7530871/MPs-e
xpenses-to-be-kept-u
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er-election.html>
full details of MPs' expenses claims will not be published until after the general election.

Now there's a surprise.
I note the following Q & A on the FAQ page of the Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority website... -------------------- ----- Q Will the public have access to details of MPs expenses claims/are you publishing all expenses online? Openness and transparency will be fundamental principles of the IPSA. Details of what will be available online and how it will be accessible will be available shortly. -------------------- ----------- According to the Daily Telegraph website full details of MPs' expenses claims will not be published until after the general election. Now there's a surprise. John.Sprackling

3:06pm Wed 31 Mar 10

Norman Mead says...

Syd Poumen wrote:
Poole's Conservative MP, Robert Syms actually employed both his former wives at the taxpayers' expense at the same time. To paraphrase The Importance of being Ernest(sic): 'To lose one wife, Mr Syms, may be regarded as a misfortune; to lose two looks like carelessness!'
Furthermore, Syms says:' It's going to make it a lot more difficult to claim for legitimate things.'
Indeed it is and what a shame he will no longer be the joint top claimer of allowances....and he still doesn't get it!
None of these crooked MPs 'gets it'. I'm definitely voting against the money-grabbing Syms at the next election.

As for Ellwood, he might want to try living in the real world for a change. Every time he opens his mouth, he reveals how self-entitled and out of touch he is.
[quote][p][bold]Syd Poumen[/bold] wrote: Poole's Conservative MP, Robert Syms actually employed both his former wives at the taxpayers' expense at the same time. To paraphrase The Importance of being Ernest(sic): 'To lose one wife, Mr Syms, may be regarded as a misfortune; to lose two looks like carelessness!' Furthermore, Syms says:' It's going to make it a lot more difficult to claim for legitimate things.' Indeed it is and what a shame he will no longer be the joint top claimer of allowances....and he still doesn't get it![/p][/quote]None of these crooked MPs 'gets it'. I'm definitely voting against the money-grabbing Syms at the next election. As for Ellwood, he might want to try living in the real world for a change. Every time he opens his mouth, he reveals how self-entitled and out of touch he is. Norman Mead

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