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The £6 million seafront race
VISION OF THE FUTURE: How the revamped seafront and Esplanade could look at Weymouth
VISION OF THE FUTURE: How the revamped seafront and Esplanade could look at Weymouth

THE race is on to submit a £6 million bid for funding to support the regeneration of Weymouth's historic seafront.

Weymouth and Portland councillors are being asked to back a proposal to the South West of England Regional Development Agency (SWRDA) to fund the first stage of Esplanade improvements.

The borough council is also preparing to sell the Pier Bandstand, the Bond Street toilets and an area of land near Marks & Spencer to generate cash for the project.

In a report to next Tuesday's management committee, the council's conservation officer Colin Ellis says time is of the essence and it is crucial the September deadline is met.

He says the SWRDA bid, representing half of the overall cost of the project, must be submitted next month to demonstrate the council's commitment and to ensure work can start soon.

At the heart of the bid is the development of a new paved square around the George III statue which could be completed by 2009.

Mr Ellis says: "It is important that the bid is submitted now so that it reaches the relevant SWRDA panel meetings which consider such bids and which only meets on an intermittent basis.

"Therefore if the September deadline is missed it will be a considerable number of months before any application can be subsequently considered."

Mr Ellis admits not all of the regeneration proposals will be supported by SWRDA but he says it is important that a long list is put forward for consideration. Implementing some of the schemes could act as a catalyst for additional investment.

He adds that the three sites to be sold will help provide capital funding for a new tourist information centre and beach rescue building on the old aquarium site.

Mr Ellis explains the council has approved a spending programme which requires £1.5 million of capital receipts to be generated each year from the sale of assets, including the Pier Bandstand. If the target is not met the council will have to consider cutting the programme or borrowing money to finance it.

Mr Ellis says it is important the management committee supports this approach.

The regeneration plans will improve the whole layout and appearance of Weymouth seafront in time for the 2012 Olympics.

More than 200 people responded to a public consultation on the plans and gave them their overwhelming support.

Mr Ellis says in the report: "There will be significant benefits in improving the physical appearance and character of Weymouth's seafront derived from these proposals."

9:15am Tuesday 28th August 2007

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Posted by: Gordons Browns replacement on 10:30am Tue 28 Aug 07
Good idea to tidy the books first, collect your council tax arrears, sort your finances out before you ask for any more money for the terrible looking revamp of the seafront
Posted by: hope full, in the red on 10:39am Tue 28 Aug 07
can any one enter the race 6 mil would come in handy
Posted by: John, Weymouth on 10:56am Tue 28 Aug 07
Mr Ellis explains the council has approved a spending programme which requires £1.5 million of capital receipts to be generated each year from the sale of assets, including the Pier Bandstand. If the target is not met the council will have to consider cutting the programme or borrowing money to finance it.



Exam Question 1: Where is the 'family silver' that can be sold to raise £1.5m per year?

Exam Question 2: If the Council decides to borrow money, is it not the council tax payer who has to foot the bill?

Exam Question 3. Weymouth's historic seafront is based upon it's historic Georgian architecture. Explain how palm trees and swirly rooftops on the esplanade contribute to its conservation.

Posted by: SpyInTheSky, The Real World on 12:11pm Tue 28 Aug 07
"Where is the 'family silver' that can be sold to raise £1.5m per year?"
This Council is only going to get deeper in the s**t.
Sorry, I meant GET US.
Posted by: Oliver, Weymouth on 12:13pm Tue 28 Aug 07
Question 3: 'palm trees and swirly rooftops' contribute to the conservation of the Esplanade because they replace the outdated things that are already there, giving impetus to conserve the historic areas of the seafront. The new buildings will only replace the ones which are not historic (like the TIC). The historic areas are more likely to be conserved if they are part of a high quality environment - and the revenue generated by the new constructions will contribute to the cost of maintaining and conserving the historic buildings.
Posted by: Dorset boy on 1:03pm Tue 28 Aug 07
Oliver wrote:
Question 3: 'palm trees and swirly rooftops' contribute to the conservation of the Esplanade because they replace the outdated things that are already there, giving impetus to conserve the historic areas of the seafront. The new buildings will only replace the ones which are not historic (like the TIC). The historic areas are more likely to be conserved if they are part of a high quality environment - and the revenue generated by the new constructions will contribute to the cost of maintaining and conserving the historic buildings.
Is it not a contradiction to replace buildings that are 'non historic'? This makes the same mistake as those who put them there in the first place. Would it not be better to remove them and not replace them, this would enhance the historic areas.
Posted by: Oliver, Weymouth on 2:16pm Tue 28 Aug 07
I suppose it depends on the definition of 'enhance' - if you feel that having a building on its own enhances it, then yes, but if you prefer historic buildings to be in a high quality environment, then putting nothing nearby might detract from the historic buildings (as in, I wouldn't like Big Ben to be in the middle of an empty lot). Personally I'm of the opinion that new buildings can add to historic ones, and if they are of good design, then they could become historic themselves, like the beach shelters or the Georgian terraces.
Posted by: Terry, weymuff on 4:06pm Tue 28 Aug 07
At the end of the day the costs of this ego boosting scheme for the proponents on the council is going to fall on the taxpayers, I hope that they have put some costs in the scheme to erect statues of themselves. I haven't noticed a clamour from the residents of Weymouth anywhere for these 'enhancements' to be carried out.
Posted by: Paul, weymouth on 4:20pm Tue 28 Aug 07
Terry wrote:
At the end of the day the costs of this ego boosting scheme for the proponents on the council is going to fall on the taxpayers, I hope that they have put some costs in the scheme to erect statues of themselves. I haven't noticed a clamour from the residents of Weymouth anywhere for these 'enhancements' to be carried out.
If they put statues up then at least we could go and throw rotten eggs at them
Posted by: jim, portland on 4:35pm Tue 28 Aug 07
the council seem to forget the olympics are actually being held on portland.how about having a big regeneration in fortuneswell it looks like a third world slum when you drive up through it.
Posted by: Sidney Hall on 4:57pm Tue 28 Aug 07
Can we invest in quality careers/employment instead?
Brightening up the seafront to aid about a dozen main employers who only have seasonal/low pay jobs is not a long term investment for Weymouth.
Posted by: Oliver, Weymouth on 5:00pm Tue 28 Aug 07
There is a clamour for the enhancements to be carried out - 93% of residents support the proposals. The idea has been around for years, since the Govt's Townscape Heritage initiative was set up - but I agree that Portland needs a bit more work too - the new flats and the Osprey Quay site will help, but areas like Fortuneswell need cleaning up too. (Jim, yes the WPNSA is on Portland, but the sailing events will have courses in Weymouth and in Portland Harbour, and the main area for spectators will be on Weymouth beach).
Posted by: Terry, weymuff on 6:09pm Tue 28 Aug 07
Oliver said: There is a clamour for the enhancements to be carried out
The clamour can't have been loud enough, I have only lived in Weymouth for the past 31 years so am still a relative incomer and this 'clamour' seems to have passed me by. When and where was the 'clamour' published (except in the Echo) and the undistributed minutes of Council meetings? It wasn't in the manifesto's of any Council candidates that I saw. It is my council tax money that they are proposing to mortgage but I seem to be 'a small voice crying in the wilderness' Never mind, the recent survey published suggests that I only have a few more years to live and put up with this, seemingly, spendthrift council who complain that they don't get paid council tax but then go ahead and spend as if they already had it. Please don't suggest that if I don't like it, I can move, I am too old to move and I have close relatives living here.
Posted by: oliver, Weymouth on 7:02pm Tue 28 Aug 07
The 93% support from residents was the consultation in the Arts centre - where everyone who had a view went to voice their suggestions. That is where the 93% support was was voiced and published. By the way I'm not one of those rude people that would tell you what to do or where to stick it - everyone has a right to their opinion and that is what discussion and consultations are for.
What aspects of the proposals do you object to, and do you like some ideas?
Posted by: F Magellan, Portugal on 8:22pm Tue 28 Aug 07
jim wrote:
the council seem to forget the olympics are actually being held on portland.how about having a big regeneration in fortuneswell it looks like a third world slum when you drive up through it.
The Olymics are being held in WEYMOUTH & PORTLAND! Three of the four race areas are in Weymouth Bay, one in Portland Harbour. Please tell your friends that as well!
Posted by: maggawags on 8:30pm Tue 28 Aug 07
I had a very strange thought , why isn't the sea front a conservation area??
If not why not,is not the harbour also?
How can such grotesque plans marry in with this attractive Georgian facade. Would they muck around with the Royal Crescent in Bath, or put something really hideous down in Corfe Castle,Of course not!!! So please explain this mishmash idea.
Posted by: oliver, weymouth on 8:49pm Tue 28 Aug 07
The main purpose of the plans is to conserve the historic buildings. One way of doing this is to improve the outdated buildings and facilities there now, which are not of a high-quality design, or are derelict (like the aquarium). The new structures, the planting schemes and the public squares especially, are to make the whole seafront look better. The squares allow people to admire the Georgian terraces, the Pier Bandstand and the King's Statue, as do the planting/seating areas - and no one can say that plants don't fit in with the historic buildings, as they don't have a 'style'.
The plans may be grotesque to some - but others call it design - there's no point in designing something that looks like the Georgian terraces - because plainly they won't be. It is possible for new structures to compliment the old, and that is why elements of Victorian, art deco etc design are included in the designs, but no one's going out there to fool people into believing they're old buildings. If you haven't read the design sheets, they're still on the council website for those who missed the exhibition. The proposals there are justified and are explained as to how they fit in and why they are there - for example the Pier Bandstand square will reflect Art Deco shapes etc. I'd rather have a new building as they will be designed to fit in more than the current ones (like the TIC)- which plainly do not fit in. The new designs are a vast improvement on the old ones, even if you don't like modern design, you have to agree that the 1980s buildings there now can only get better.
Posted by: steve on 8:54pm Tue 28 Aug 07
Posted by: maggawags on Today
.....So please explain this mishmash idea.


It's quite easy. Weymouth council may noy=t be good at everything, but mishmash it does well.

Oliver. 93% of those who attended the arts centre and felt sufficiently moved to comment does not equate to 93% of the residents of the town.

It's rather like a recent comment by simon willioams (council) that the proposed New Look development had a lot of local support because only a few (who were aware of it perhaps?) had made any adverse comment. That's a dangerous slope!
Posted by: Terry, weymuff on 8:56pm Tue 28 Aug 07
maggawags There must be a society or Quango somewhere that ought to be alerted, the Department for Culture, Media and Sport is responsible for running the listings scheme for historical buildings but it is English Heritage who assess the building and make a recommendation.
Perhaps a word to them might slow down or halt this hideous scheme or perhaps the 'clamour' wants our seafront to look like a mini-Blackpool.
Oliver said
The 93% support from residents was the consultation in the Arts centre - where everyone who had a view went to voice their suggestions
When was this then, I, for one, knew nothing about it, to quote percentages of people agreeing means little, If 1 person has an opinion and they are the only attendee at a meeting, that works out at 100% in agreement with that opinion.
Posted by: Lunatic, Weymouth on 9:21pm Tue 28 Aug 07
Another hair brain scheme from the madhouse commonly known as W & P BC, c/o North Quay

When will the bozos stop wasting our Council Tax money
Posted by: maggawags on 9:45pm Tue 28 Aug 07
Terry wrote:
maggawags There must be a society or Quango somewhere that ought to be alerted, the Department for Culture, Media and Sport is responsible for running the listings scheme for historical buildings but it is English Heritage who assess the building and make a recommendation. Perhaps a word to them might slow down or halt this hideous scheme or perhaps the \'clamour\' wants our seafront to look like a mini-Blackpool. Oliver said
The 93% support from residents was the consultation in the Arts centre - where everyone who had a view went to voice their suggestions
When was this then, I, for one, knew nothing about it, to quote percentages of people agreeing means little, If 1 person has an opinion and they are the only attendee at a meeting, that works out at 100% in agreement with that opinion.
Terry, SWRDA are the key to all of this, the plan has to be approved, it may be turned down. Is the bandstand significant, and who is buying it, and the Bond st loos going also! SWRDA may pooh the plans, but as an iconic Georgian seaside frontage maybe even DCC may frown at the idea. This is yours and my seaside, please note the IMAX mistake in B'mouth, and the interference down at Poole quay,lobby your council as well. The depts you mentioned are the ones to talk to. SWRDA may be pretty shocked by everything though.You never know!!!!
Posted by: jim on 9:48pm Tue 28 Aug 07
F Magellan wrote:
jim wrote: the council seem to forget the olympics are actually being held on portland.how about having a big regeneration in fortuneswell it looks like a third world slum when you drive up through it.
The Olymics are being held in WEYMOUTH & PORTLAND! Three of the four race areas are in Weymouth Bay, one in Portland Harbour. Please tell your friends that as well!
you are missing my point visitors to the sailing area will be drawn to see the view at tophill. first impressions going through fortuneswell need a facelift.
Posted by: oliver, Weymouth on 10:44pm Tue 28 Aug 07
When was this then, I, for one, knew nothing about it, to quote percentages of people agreeing means little, If 1 person has an opinion and they are the only attendee at a meeting, that works out at 100% in agreement with that opinion.
The consultation was advertised on signs on lamp-posts and bus stops throughout the town, and on the website, and in the Echo and advertiser, and in the library and outside arts centre. Plenty of people had the opportunity to come to the centre for the week or so it was open. It wasn't just one morning with little advertisement. I know 93% of respondents doesn't equate to 93% of residents, but unless someone wants to go round every house and ask every family member about the proposals then that is the only way of gaining the public view. People who have a strong view either way are more likely to come and pass comment anyway. People are all to quick to say that the majority don't like something, but when the surveys say otherwise one shouldn't just question the results.
Posted by: Angie, Weymouth on 11:18pm Tue 28 Aug 07
oh Lord! Do the resident town destroyeers - sorry planners not walk and listen to what is actually being said: i freqeuntly hear tourists saying how they love the fact that Weymouth doesn't follow the trend of high rise or ultra modern buildings.

These tourists, bless them, think that the council are actually proud of the town's history and culture!

I so want to put them right and tell them that this council is actuall activily trying to destroy everything that encourages tourists to the area.

Soon there will be no town to visit! I am not against change but I am against the monstrosities that our council seem intent on building. Lets face it: if the 'drafts and consultations' have been made public it is becuase a decision has been made behind closed doors.
Posted by: Terry on 8:43am Wed 29 Aug 07
I don't go around looking at lamp-posts (there are few in the town centre where I shop) and no notices were posted on lamp-posts in the road I live in. I don't use the bus and there are no bus stops where I live outside the town, I rarely look at the website except to check for new planning applications, do not buy the Echo (relying on this website) do not use the library and never walk outside the arts centre. IMO plans for something as costly as this should be put to a local vote, the apathetic won't bother but those of us who decry increases of council tax to pay for some councillor's dream boat may register our discontent.
Posted by: Terry, weymuff on 9:01am Wed 29 Aug 07
SWDRA bruce.voss@southwest
rda.org.uk is responsible for this area
Posted by: Terry, weymuff on 9:08am Wed 29 Aug 07
From the English Heritage site an example of a building that will not get 'improved' by the rest of the plans. I know it isn't planned to be changed now but once the rot sets in, who knows
Pulteney Terrace (circa 1805)is a six-house terrace on Weymouth’s striking Esplanade. Named after the notable Pulteney family of Bath, who invested in land and building developments in Weymouth, the terrace was built on reclaimed land in circa 1805. The terrace has remained practically unaltered externally since it erection.
Posted by: Adi Nuff on 9:33am Wed 29 Aug 07
Terry wrote:
From the English Heritage site an example of a building that will not get 'improved' by the rest of the plans. I know it isn't planned to be changed now but once the rot sets in, who knows Pulteney Terrace (circa 1805)is a six-house terrace on Weymouth’s striking Esplanade. Named after the notable Pulteney family of Bath, who invested in land and building developments in Weymouth, the terrace was built on reclaimed land in circa 1805. The terrace has remained practically unaltered externally since it erection.
Terry,
There lies the solution, I am sure!
Just made a few observations on Pavillion page also .

I believe there are serious issues here.
Historical facts such as you have looked at are very important, do hope others have taken note. Other cities and towns have very strict guidlines, and when the international crowd arrive for their fortnight in 2012, what will they think? There is more damage being done now, than in a bombing raid during the war!!
Posted by: Terry, weymuff on 10:56am Wed 29 Aug 07
English Heritage Casework Officer for Dorset (based at Bristol. Virginia.Bergin@engl
ish-heritage.co.uk
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