Weymouth relief road protesters take to the trees

PROTESTERS have set up a camp in the trees to protect ancient woodland from being destroyed for the Weymouth relief road.

Three men made it over a fence and past security staff in the Two-Mile Coppice before scaling the trees they want to save.

They used climbing equipment to make it up the trees and have tied up sheeting to sleep on.

One of the men, Nick Pepper, 41, who is from Weymouth originally but now lives in Bristol, intends to stay in the trees until Dorset County Council decides against building the road.

He told the Echo from the trees: “I’m here to try and stop them chopping down this Site of Special Scientific Interest.

“We’ve had men here with chainsaws and a helicopter above as they are trying to get us to leave.

“But enough is enough as there is only five per cent of our ancient woodland left. “When will it stop?

“When this is gone it’s gone forever and these are the lungs of the earth so it’s ecological suicide. They are already cutting trees down but this is wrong.”

Another protester, known as ‘Noddy,’ said he also lived in Weymouth previously and was going to stay in the trees until the council decided against building the road.

He added: “People should come and join the protest as it’s their wood that’s being destroyed.

“This is the right thing to do as it is a matter of conscience.”

A county council spokesman said they had already asked eight people to leave part of the wood where clearance work is being done when the protestors made it into the trees.

She said the council is assessing its position on how to safely and legally remove them and Dorset Police, who have a presence in the wood, are advising.

Head of highways Andy Ackerman said the tree coppicing work is continuing.

He said: “These people are not entitled to be on the land and for their own safety we are seeking advice on the best way to remove them.

“The Weymouth relief road will improve the reliability of journey times and help support public transport.

“It has overwhelming support from local residents and businesses and the scheme has gone through every necessary procedure including a public inquiry.

“This route has been chosen for the road so that it will have the least possible impact on local wildlife.

“We are doing everything we can to salvage and reuse materials taken from the western edge strip of woodland.

“Living stumps will be relocated as will deadwood for habitat and woodland soils and oak timber will be used for a new bat roost.”

The council started clearing the wood on Monday but a day later work stopped when the Woodland Trust told them they did not have the legal right to enter the Two-Mile Coppice.

The Government approved a compulsory purchase order to buy a stretch of the woodland but the trust insisted the purchase had not been completed and a notice of entry was required.

The notice was provided and workers returned with chainsaws yesterday.

Comments(77)

pd7 says...
7:53am Fri 12 Dec 08

Pls dont disturb the bats when you are tree hugging

Albo says...
8:05am Fri 12 Dec 08

Best way to remove them?

I might suggest a fire hose on a cold night.

Ask Archie says...
8:26am Fri 12 Dec 08

Just cut the tree down,with them sleeping in it! These people really don't know all the facts or look at the whole picture.All the trees being planted up and down the country will be "ancient woodland" in generations to come.

terra firma says...
8:38am Fri 12 Dec 08

Albo wrote:
Best way to remove them? I might suggest a fire hose on a cold night.
spot on Albo

Some chilly nights and sodden days will help Sgt Pepper and his cohorts reflect on and count the creature comforts that the roads and other forms of transport bring!

F1 says...
8:50am Fri 12 Dec 08

Nice of Mr Pepper to come down from Bristol and bring more expense to us tax payers.

I expect you need a rest after the long walk via any roads.

Now why dont you and your mate pot of back to where you live now.

Atalanta says...
9:04am Fri 12 Dec 08

A bit late to be doing that now after it's all done and dusted. What's the point?

mikeman says...
9:44am Fri 12 Dec 08

First thing to do is find out if they are on benefits & stop that.
Then put the hoses on them 24/7 they will soon come down & then arrest them for trespass.

SnakeskinCowboy says...
9:52am Fri 12 Dec 08

Well I give them 2 days before they leave of their own accord. Clearly not the brightest sparks, climbing trees in the coldest snap for ages.

They will also have to sign on soon surely...


Wessex Lass says...
10:04am Fri 12 Dec 08

Mikeman I could not agree more about the benefits. If they are on benefits whilst sitting in a tree they can not possibly looking for work.

psy says...
10:29am Fri 12 Dec 08

Needless destruction to build yet another road to relieve a busy road, so people can arrive a few minutes earlier in the comfort of there own personal metal box.

Personally, id rather pay my tax to keep them in the trees then tarmac over a valuble ecosystem for my own selfish need.

fishman68 says...
10:39am Fri 12 Dec 08

psy, Lymington your naive and ignorant remarks are wasted in this blog. 99.9% of Weymouth and Portland have been waiting for this road for 15 years. For us who work for a living and commute daily getting this road is a big deal! I am sick to death of Eco fools going on about a tiny bit of srubland being redeveloped. Don't you have a job or airport to be protesting at??

wyke resident says...
10:42am Fri 12 Dec 08

The best way to stop them is to cut off their social and charge them for the extra costs. They are just a bunch if british taleban who want to put us back in the dark ages, but are prepared to sponge of our society and we are stupid enough to let them do it.

stephen b. says...
10:47am Fri 12 Dec 08

This'll wind the pro-roaders up at least! Great stuff guys!!

stephen b. says...
10:49am Fri 12 Dec 08

...and why are we assuming that anyone taking part in an anti-road protest is on the DSS?

Albo says...
10:53am Fri 12 Dec 08

psy wrote:
Needless destruction to build yet another road to relieve a busy road, so people can arrive a few minutes earlier in the comfort of there own personal metal box. Personally, id rather pay my tax to keep them in the trees then tarmac over a valuble ecosystem for my own selfish need.
By the powers vested in me I pronounce today's KING OF WRONG to be psy.

Personally, I'd rather my tax went on investment in my home town to safeguard jobs, and to ensure that Simply Red are banned forever.

Yours

Albert O'Balsam
EMPEROR OF EXCELLENT

fishman68 says...
11:00am Fri 12 Dec 08

stephen b. wrote:
This'll wind the pro-roaders up at least! Great stuff guys!!
A mature comment one would expect from the anti-road spinsters. Why cant they just go back to the cave theve crawled out from?

A similiar pointless protest occurred on the Bath Bypass, the only thing they achieved was extending the scale of the works required, delaying the project and therefore creating more damage to the environment!! These people are obviously short on Brain matter unable to digest the consequences of there own actions!
I'm looking forward to when they get arrested hopefully sometime later today!

Albo says...
11:11am Fri 12 Dec 08

fishman68 wrote:
stephen b. wrote: This'll wind the pro-roaders up at least! Great stuff guys!!
A mature comment one would expect from the anti-road spinsters. Why cant they just go back to the cave theve crawled out from? A similiar pointless protest occurred on the Bath Bypass, the only thing they achieved was extending the scale of the works required, delaying the project and therefore creating more damage to the environment!! These people are obviously short on Brain matter unable to digest the consequences of there own actions! I'm looking forward to when they get arrested hopefully sometime later today!
I'm looking forward to when they get arrested hopefully sometime later today!

Arrested? I know a geezer who can source a couple of leopards if the Council are that way inclined. Our tree-hugging friends won't be quite so close to nature once these little beauties get off the leash.

mikeman says...
11:12am Fri 12 Dec 08

stephen b. wrote:
...and why are we assuming that anyone taking part in an anti-road protest is on the DSS?
We are not assuming that they are on benefits but there is a strong possibility so that is the first thing to check. Any so called protesters tree huggers & do gooders of any description should have there benefit stopped, if they are tree hugging they are not looking for work & if they can climb tree’s then they are fit enough for work .
Why should tax paying working people support protesters when it’s those tax paying working people that want roads & airports etc.

cranski says...
11:40am Fri 12 Dec 08

I don't reckon they're on benefits o at all. People on the social don't really have the luxury of being able to swan around the countryside complaining and winding up locals.

I suspect they are white, middle class, dreadlocked and army booted posh boys still trying to get over the guilt they feel from their over-privileged private-school and servant upbringing. I've met these types before, and believe me they're invariably like that.

Having said that, got to feel sorry for 'em stuck up there in this cold, might freeze some sense into em eh?

shy talk says...
11:45am Fri 12 Dec 08

Want to move them? Send in the SAS, that’s what Maggie Thatcher did with a prison riot. The SAS loved Maggie. Then send the tree huggers on community service in Afghanistan

Genghis says...
11:46am Fri 12 Dec 08

No need to chop the trees down now. The waste and mess these clowns always create and leave behind them will be enough to poison the trees and clear the undergrowth. Eco-warriors? They do more damage than good.

fishman68 says...
11:49am Fri 12 Dec 08

cranski wrote:
I don't reckon they're on benefits o at all. People on the social don't really have the luxury of being able to swan around the countryside complaining and winding up locals. I suspect they are white, middle class, dreadlocked and army booted posh boys still trying to get over the guilt they feel from their over-privileged private-school and servant upbringing. I've met these types before, and believe me they're invariably like that. Having said that, got to feel sorry for 'em stuck up there in this cold, might freeze some sense into em eh?
Nah, I certainly do not feel sorry for them. I hope they get frozen and then arrested just before being heckled for being the waste of space that they are!

Baxters says...
11:50am Fri 12 Dec 08

From the minute this road was given the go ahead it was obvious that swampy would eventually turn up! 24 hr security obviously to expensive to consider so now the county council will have to pay the price for their lack of forethought. Go on you do gooding huggers.

Albo says...
12:00pm Fri 12 Dec 08

I would also encourange the security guards to get their act in order and take it in turns to sit at the bottom of the occupied trees and lead interested parties in a 24-hour sing-song.

"I know a song that'll get on your nerves - get on your nerves - get on your nerves"

Then release the leopards.

bluecat says...
12:15pm Fri 12 Dec 08

To take a wider view, this bypass will only benefit a few people who live on a short stretch of Dorchester road. The only effect it will have is to move the traffic jams to the Morrisons roundabout. There will be no magical transformation.

fishman68 says...
12:32pm Fri 12 Dec 08

The Police and fire department are finally in attendence to remove the tree huggers Hurray! about time too!

maximus says...
12:59pm Fri 12 Dec 08

If they manage to stay up the trees then cut all the brush and nearby trees to leave them isolated for a while, then arrest them for littering if ANYTHING lands on the ground which came from the bodies in the trees. If dog-owners have to pick up after their dogs have defecated then so should these 'erberts.

Fabian says...
1:34pm Fri 12 Dec 08

Albo you are just so funny!

Leopards YES YES YES...
Otherwise we could all take turns shaking the tree. I'm sure there are enough Weymouth residents who would like go! Maybe there could be a prize for the person who dislodges them; or we could use the tree huggers as a pinata. Great seasonal entertainment!


Albo says...
1:47pm Fri 12 Dec 08

Better still - and in keeping with Weymouth's position as the south's premier bucket-and-spade resort - position a crane with a grabber just above the tree.

For a pound a go, if you manage to grab a tree-hugger you get to keep him.

Then release the leopards.

fishman68 says...
1:49pm Fri 12 Dec 08

Fabian wrote:
Albo you are just so funny! Leopards YES YES YES... Otherwise we could all take turns shaking the tree. I'm sure there are enough Weymouth residents who would like go! Maybe there could be a prize for the person who dislodges them; or we could use the tree huggers as a pinata. Great seasonal entertainment!
Sounds like a brilliant plan! Im up for it!, and when they are sucessfully dislodged we could charge £1 a go to kick em when they land on the ground!!

fishman68 says...
1:50pm Fri 12 Dec 08

And then set the Leapords on em!

Scolopax says...
2:16pm Fri 12 Dec 08

's funny lots of you have bleated on about 'give me a shovel and I'll build the bl**dy thing' in the past but you've never had the balls to actually do anything, as soon as some-else takes direct action you complain...gutless wonders one and all.

Albo says...
2:19pm Fri 12 Dec 08

Scolopax wrote:
's funny lots of you have bleated on about 'give me a shovel and I'll build the bl**dy thing' in the past but you've never had the balls to actually do anything, as soon as some-else takes direct action you complain...gutless wonders one and all.
Look, I've spent the morning googling "Leopards for Hire" after my pal Bill Oddie* let me down on the man-eating feline front.

What have YOU Done?


* Never be a name-dropper - Ricky Gervais told me that at Bowie's house.

Scolopax says...
2:28pm Fri 12 Dec 08

Doing my bit to defend the realm actually...now it's my afternoon off thanks. But I mean my point seriously!

Pericles says...
2:35pm Fri 12 Dec 08

WELL DONE those guys. Excellent. Glad someone is demonstrating against these short termist, road rage, narrow minded countryside trashers! Keep up the good work!!

navy veteran says...
2:55pm Fri 12 Dec 08

Here we go again the monkeys are swinging in the trees. I bet they have never been to this wood before. Instead of foisting themselves on us why dont they go to the rain forests where far more environmental damage is being done than the very small area of Two Mile Coppice neede for our essential relief road.

southwell speak says...
2:56pm Fri 12 Dec 08

call in the weymouth mafia and give the huggers a concrete overcoat

Dorset Maid says...
5:26pm Fri 12 Dec 08

As usual the level of this debate is childish however, I should like to send Mr Ackerman to Kingston Maurward as I am sure the college on his doorstep would explain what coppicing is. Bulldozing ancient woodland is not a sustainable activity but is part of a sustained effort by DCC to tarmac over our heritage. Weymouth and Portland residents who wanted a bypass were actually in the minority but that has all been lost in the Olympic spin. The Olympic Committee wanted better public transport not roads.

Genghis says...
5:37pm Fri 12 Dec 08

Dorset Maid wrote:
As usual the level of this debate is childish however, I should like to send Mr Ackerman to Kingston Maurward as I am sure the college on his doorstep would explain what coppicing is. Bulldozing ancient woodland is not a sustainable activity but is part of a sustained effort by DCC to tarmac over our heritage. Weymouth and Portland residents who wanted a bypass were actually in the minority but that has all been lost in the Olympic spin. The Olympic Committee wanted better public transport not roads.
"Weymouth and Portland residents who wanted a bypass were actually in the minority."

How do you work that one out then? I am resident of Weymouth and Portland unlike you and I've never seen this referendum/survey that you imply has been carried out to gain such a specific result. What I can tell you though is that through talking to friends who are also residents of the area that the overwhelming majority are in favour. Of about 150 people I've spoken to only 2 have been against it.

staffs says...
5:43pm Fri 12 Dec 08

Only three of them?

Just cut down the other trees and leave them to freeze, they'll come down eventually especially in high winds and rain.

Or just cut the trees down with them in it, which ever is easier.

Birdseye says...
6:05pm Fri 12 Dec 08

Genghis wrote:
Dorset Maid wrote:
As usual the level of this debate is childish however, I should like to send Mr Ackerman to Kingston Maurward as I am sure the college on his doorstep would explain what coppicing is. Bulldozing ancient woodland is not a sustainable activity but is part of a sustained effort by DCC to tarmac over our heritage. Weymouth and Portland residents who wanted a bypass were actually in the minority but that has all been lost in the Olympic spin. The Olympic Committee wanted better public transport not roads.
"Weymouth and Portland residents who wanted a bypass were actually in the minority."

How do you work that one out then? I am resident of Weymouth and Portland unlike you and I've never seen this referendum/survey that you imply has been carried out to gain such a specific result. What I can tell you though is that through talking to friends who are also residents of the area that the overwhelming majority are in favour. Of about 150 people I've spoken to only 2 have been against it.
The numbers are on the DCC website, and Dorset maid is correct.

Coop de Gras says...
6:09pm Fri 12 Dec 08

Isn't it funny that on the day that the protestors decide to exercise their civil rights by protesting against the relief road, Weymouth is closed once again by an accident. When will these people learn that these protests rarely, if ever, have the desired effect - other than to get their names in the press. They could achieve the same amount of press coverage if they did something worthwhile.

broadweybabe says...
6:46pm Fri 12 Dec 08

According to Spotlight Nick has already gone because he dropped his bag with his warm clothes in. Shame!!!! Let's hope the ones that are left are as clumsy!!!!

Genghis says...
6:51pm Fri 12 Dec 08

Birdseye wrote:
Genghis wrote:
Dorset Maid wrote: As usual the level of this debate is childish however, I should like to send Mr Ackerman to Kingston Maurward as I am sure the college on his doorstep would explain what coppicing is. Bulldozing ancient woodland is not a sustainable activity but is part of a sustained effort by DCC to tarmac over our heritage. Weymouth and Portland residents who wanted a bypass were actually in the minority but that has all been lost in the Olympic spin. The Olympic Committee wanted better public transport not roads.
"Weymouth and Portland residents who wanted a bypass were actually in the minority." How do you work that one out then? I am resident of Weymouth and Portland unlike you and I've never seen this referendum/survey that you imply has been carried out to gain such a specific result. What I can tell you though is that through talking to friends who are also residents of the area that the overwhelming majority are in favour. Of about 150 people I've spoken to only 2 have been against it.
The numbers are on the DCC website, and Dorset maid is correct.
You wouldn't mind providing a link to these numbers would you? Or would you at least tell me what these numbers relate to? For example is it the result of a referendum of the population of Weymouth and Portland or just the number of objections?

Fabian says...
6:58pm Fri 12 Dec 08

Hey Albo,

Now that your witticisms have been featured on facebook, can we look forward to a regular feature by you in the Echo; or a dedicated group on the afore mentioned website? Perhaps a standup act at the pavilion (subject to planning approvals etc)?

franchise says...
7:27pm Fri 12 Dec 08

36 letters on pavilion, 46 on this story a few on our poor council who are short of money and not one on your fireservice. I just hope you will never need our firemen at any point. Shame on you

Genghis says...
8:05pm Fri 12 Dec 08

franchise wrote:
36 letters on pavilion, 46 on this story a few on our poor council who are short of money and not one on your fireservice. I just hope you will never need our firemen at any point. Shame on you
Indeed I am suitably humbled. No letters on the fire service? Well shame on you as well.

Scolopax says...
8:53pm Fri 12 Dec 08

franchise, it's worth noting that not all stories on this website have the 'Comment' facility, (there are some on which I should liek to have commented) I'm sure there are plenty of views on the relocation of fire-fighting facilities.

kp911 says...
11:20pm Fri 12 Dec 08

Dorset won't be rural much longer what a shame. Tree's of this age should be preserved and protected they have survived many winters and wars why do we have the right to harm them. I understand the need for development but not destruction.

Genghis says...
11:26pm Fri 12 Dec 08

kp911 wrote:
Dorset won't be rural much longer what a shame. Tree's of this age should be preserved and protected they have survived many winters and wars why do we have the right to harm them. I understand the need for development but not destruction.
I'm sure the house you live in is built on a landscape that was thousands of years old. How do you justify that destruction just for the sole benefit of your personal comfort?

Pericles says...
4:26pm Sat 13 Dec 08

Genghis, your logic is, well, non existent! In fact that last statement is quite ridiculous. Of course all houses are built on ancient land - in fact 4.5 billion years old to be exact. What on earth has that got to do with anything?

Scolopax says...
7:24pm Sat 13 Dec 08

Elsewhere on this site someone has commented on the 'non-local' labour being used in the Project. I was alarmed today to see a Swedish Flag flying at the Construction Site, what does this signify?

DonG says...
7:45pm Sat 13 Dec 08

Scolopax wrote:
Elsewhere on this site someone has commented on the 'non-local' labour being used in the Project. I was alarmed today to see a Swedish Flag flying at the Construction Site, what does this signify?
That all depends on if the flag was up the POLE?

Techie says...
8:14pm Sat 13 Dec 08

Scolopax wrote:
Elsewhere on this site someone has commented on the 'non-local' labour being used in the Project. I was alarmed today to see a Swedish Flag flying at the Construction Site, what does this signify?
Possibly that you haven't been paying attention...

http://www.skanska.c
o.uk/en/Projects/Dis
play-project/?pid=58


Why were you 'alarmed' to see a Swedish flag, anyway? What does that signify?

maximus says...
8:14pm Sat 13 Dec 08

Why don't they clear the rest of the site and then 'ring-bark' the troll bearing trees. By stripping off a good ring of bark all round the tree down through to the cambium layer will ensure that the tree will eventually die. It will do no harm to the tree-hugger and respect his 'human rights' but he will look foolish trying to protect a dying tree.

Atalanta says...
8:17pm Sat 13 Dec 08

Scolopax wrote:
Elsewhere on this site someone has commented on the 'non-local' labour being used in the Project. I was alarmed today to see a Swedish Flag flying at the Construction Site, what does this signify?
Imported cheap labour. Just like on Portland and elsewhere, wherever they are constructing something.

Atalanta says...
8:19pm Sat 13 Dec 08

Looks like we all came out to play at once :-)

pachyderm says...
8:42pm Sat 13 Dec 08

Scolopax wrote:
Elsewhere on this site someone has commented on the 'non-local' labour being used in the Project. I was alarmed today to see a Swedish Flag flying at the Construction Site, what does this signify?
I would be more alarmed if it was an Icelandic flag ! They do have our loose change pay for the "rent-o-leopard" solution !

Genghis says...
9:50pm Sat 13 Dec 08

Pericles wrote:
Genghis, your logic is, well, non existent! In fact that last statement is quite ridiculous. Of course all houses are built on ancient land - in fact 4.5 billion years old to be exact. What on earth has that got to do with anything?
The Earth is 4.5 billion years old but I didn't mention the Earth. I mentioned the landscape of Weymouth which certainly wasn't around 4.5 billion years ago.

Maybe my point wasn't made as well as it could have been. It seems to me that people who oppose all modern development would also be just as opposed to previous destruction of the natural landscape. Otherwise it would be do as I say not as I do. Basically if you "eco-warriors" want to change the world to your design then show us how your design would work. No more building of roads, workplaces, houses, transport etc so give us examples of how we are to live and survive in Ecotopia.


Techie says...
1:28am Sun 14 Dec 08

Atalanta wrote:
Scolopax wrote:
Elsewhere on this site someone has commented on the 'non-local' labour being used in the Project. I was alarmed today to see a Swedish Flag flying at the Construction Site, what does this signify?
Imported cheap labour. Just like on Portland and elsewhere, wherever they are constructing something.
And nothing to do with the fact that Skanska UK's parent company is..... wait for it.... Swedish. They do this at all their construction sites.

Scolopax says...
9:00am Sun 14 Dec 08

Thanks Techie, I was well aware of that, however many companies in the UK are foreign owned but do not fly a National flag, Abbey is owned by a Spanish Bank but we do not see Spanish flag outside their Banks.

pachyderm says...
10:05am Sun 14 Dec 08

Scolopax wrote:
Thanks Techie, I was well aware of that, however many companies in the UK are foreign owned but do not fly a National flag, Abbey is owned by a Spanish Bank but we do not see Spanish flag outside their Banks.
I'm still waiting for the Iceland flag to go up over County Hall !

dar says...
12:04pm Sun 14 Dec 08

i wondered were all the down and outs have gone from bristol ,there sat in ur trees. how about turn them into a new tourist attraction paintballing(sitting targets)see how long they can take it.or better still cut off all lower branches so they climb higher .then theres only one way to go,the floor head first

Scolopax says...
12:05pm Sun 14 Dec 08

Why should that be Pachyderm? The Coucil is not Icelandic owned, I was hoping for some healthy debate, I should have known better.

Techie says...
5:29pm Sun 14 Dec 08

Scolopax wrote:
Thanks Techie, I was well aware of that, however many companies in the UK are foreign owned but do not fly a National flag, Abbey is owned by a Spanish Bank but we do not see Spanish flag outside their Banks.
Nor the Union Flag, which Skanska also flies at its construction sites.

It's would appear to be some corporate policy of theirs and I would suggest it's up to them and their shareholders to decide whether they fly flags at their sites.

Rather than being concerned or alarmed, why not appreciate that they obviously take pride in being a Swedish company with an identitity and a history rather than some faceless Megacorp Plc?

Pachyderm - if you haven't got anything useful to say, which you seldom do, please don't. Easy reckoner: if you've used an exclamation mark it's probably preceded by a bad pun or a crass analogy and you DO NOT NEED to click the Add Comment button. Really.

maximus says...
5:58pm Sun 14 Dec 08

I couldn't believe it, on the BBC local news site it said that local people are feeding the hugger? They must be trespassing to do it so why aren't they being arrested for aiding a criminal?

Scolopax says...
10:18pm Sun 14 Dec 08

Okay Techie, Perhaps you're right, it is up to them. There certainly wasn't a Union flag when I went by on Saturday. Just seems like rubbing salt into the wound when you see a foreign flag on British soil. I guess I'm the only one who finds it odd (offensive) and I'm no Nationalist, so I'll back down. (Or maybe I'll get one of those new St White Dorset flags and swap it one night!)

SnakeskinCowboy says...
11:21pm Sun 14 Dec 08

Anyone been upto "Teddybear Woods" (not it's real name, it's the emotive cutsey name given to it by the tree huggers)?

The massive amount of damage to the trees there from the tree huggers is still evident, 10 years later.

What a total bunch of hypocrites.

cub says...
4:33pm Mon 15 Dec 08

Judging from the venomous bile being directed at the protestors via this page it would appear that there are a lot of narrow minded, hate filled bigots reading this paper. Its very easy to sit in our nice warm houses writing snide e-mails, I suggest it takes a bit more guts to sit up a tree in sub zero temperatures and rain on a point of principle. Face up to the fact that not all locals (who work) support this road, but do support free speech and those prepared to stand up and be counted. When you all write back to tear me to pieces can I ask that we have slightly more intelligent comments than "let em freeze to death". Car or planet, its time to decide.

Scolopax says...
5:40pm Mon 15 Dec 08

cub, see my comment above, posted 2:15 Friday, I'm glad someone agrees.

staffs says...
7:06pm Mon 15 Dec 08

So, Cub, we are all narrow minded bigots because we disagree with what this guy is protesting about?

Which one of us is the narrow minded bigot?

dopey says...
9:44pm Mon 15 Dec 08

cub...your 3 days (and 70 comments) late with your input. Guess you were stuck in a trafic jam in Crossways, a place in need of a bypass ?

cub says...
11:39pm Mon 15 Dec 08

Firstly Dopey the debate about this road has been going on for about 30 years. Secondly the latest news is that the protestors (plural) were still in the few trees remaining this afternoon, so the debate goes on.
Yeah Crossways has got a busy road running through it, like Littlemoor which is gonna end up with the relief road running right through it. It aint just about trees this, its also about how this scheme will affect people living in one of the poorest estates in town.

Techie says...
1:22am Tue 16 Dec 08

cub wrote:
Firstly Dopey the debate about this road has been going on for about 30 years. Secondly the latest news is that the protestors (plural) were still in the few trees remaining this afternoon, so the debate goes on.
Yeah Crossways has got a busy road running through it, like Littlemoor which is gonna end up with the relief road running right through it. It aint just about trees this, its also about how this scheme will affect people living in one of the poorest estates in town.
Oh come on, you can't say that as if it's been sprung on the residents from nowhere. The "Littlemoor Gap" was left undeveloped over twenty years ago so this road could be built. Have you read the Environmental Statement that accompanied the planning application? I have, and it goes into quite astounding detail about the effects, both positive and negative, that the WRR will cause.

However laudable the intentions of the protestors may be there are plenty of legal ways to protest against a road but this should be done in full appreciation of the facts and technical detail concerned. I really don't think anybody can say with credence that due diligence has not been carried out on this project.

fishman68 says...
3:12pm Tue 16 Dec 08

cub wrote:
Judging from the venomous bile being directed at the protestors via this page it would appear that there are a lot of narrow minded, hate filled bigots reading this paper. Its very easy to sit in our nice warm houses writing snide e-mails, I suggest it takes a bit more guts to sit up a tree in sub zero temperatures and rain on a point of principle. Face up to the fact that not all locals (who work) support this road, but do support free speech and those prepared to stand up and be counted. When you all write back to tear me to pieces can I ask that we have slightly more intelligent comments than "let em freeze to death". Car or planet, its time to decide.
Cub, the last of the great orators i presume? Talk about rich words! Meanwhile back on planet Earth there is a well used human saying 'People in glass houses should not throw stones' Your hypocrisy is comical, I assume then you live in a dark unheated cave with a broadband feed only?
I personally love the inaccuracy of your free speech angle, where you a comedian in your last life? Before turning into a Eco-Nut?
You’re worryingly in concise statement concerning rights under civil law leaves a lot to be desired. If everybody conducted illegal protests the very fabric of society would be completely undermined! Your inference that trespassing and illegal protest is acceptable is morally irresponsible. I suggest you therefore apply the grey matter with more vigour and diligence in the future!
So in the words of the last great orator to adorn this blog, get your facts right and crawl back under the eco-benign habitat that you came from.

Signed: A supporter of continued investment in local economy infrastructure!

cub says...
9:40pm Tue 16 Dec 08

And I thought I had the verbals. So regarding Techies points first, yes I have read the environmental statement and found it vague and ambiguous. The effects of living next to a major road scheme may well have been written about, but ultimately Littlemoor will be saddled with Dorch Rd's problem, only to be added to come the Olympics. Theyre just moving the problem, and still not addressing what happens when all this increased traffic hits the town centre. As for due diligence dont make me laugh. They had to stop work in the woods because the Woodland trust still owned it, and they still havent officially got the money from Gov to build it.

Fishman, you shrewdly noticed that I have a computer, and I better come clean and admit that I drive and live in the real world not a tree. Doesnt stop me recognising the damage we're all doing to the planet. Or supporting those prepared to protect the last easily accessible green spaces this crowded little islands got. As for illegal protests undermining the fabric of society, how about womens sufferage, Tolpuddle Martyrs,
Tianeman Square all seen at the time as illegal protests. Ghandi and Mandella were both considered terrorists. Finally to both of you, nice use of the word diligence in both e-mails, do you know each other?

Techie says...
12:29pm Wed 17 Dec 08

Hmm. The ES was just short of 350 pages if I remember correctly, this also doesn't include the box full of documentation that was produced for the public inquiry. How you can dismiss that lot as 'vague and ambiguous' strikes me as facile at best.

It's true that the WRR plan itself doesn't address the town centre but this is being dealt with by other projects such as the Olympic Transport Package.

As for the "protection of the last easily accessible green spaces" I think if it *were* one of the last people might have something to say about it. We have huge areas of countryside in the UK devoid of any development and long may that be the case, but urban areas continue to need to grow and expand and improve their infrastructure.

In the case of the WRR this was always going to be difficult but when you look at the mitigation plans this does in my opinion go a fair way to offset what is to be lost.

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