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7:30am Saturday 12th December 2009 in
WEYMOUTH Land Registry has been secretly filming staff at home, in shops and at the gym after they made compensation claims for personal injury at work.
A total of six employees were put under surveillance after making claims they suffered from repetitive strain injury.
One Weymouth woman, Jane Brooke, was fired after being filmed alongside members of the public at the fitness centre at Weymouth Swimming Pool.
The Public and Commercial Services Union (PCS) held a rally outside the Land Registry in Cumberland Drive yesterday in support of Mrs Brooke and vowed to fight her sacking as unfair dismissal.
Mrs Brooke said she was told to go to the gym by her doctor after she began suffering from pains in her wrist and her neck seized up.
While at the gym she was filmed by private investigators employed by the Land Registry.
She was filmed over several months but only found out when the PCS, of which she was branch secretary, told her.
Mrs Brooke said that she felt sick when she was given the DVDs showing her being followed around Weymouth.
She said after 30 years’ work she was called into a room and told she had five minutes to leave the Land Registry before being escorted out of the building. She was told she was fired for gross misconduct, with the Land Registry saying that she made a fraudulent claim for her RSI.
She said: “When I put the DVD on I couldn’t watch it. I felt sick. Now I remember looking out of my blinds and thinking ‘oh that car’s still there.’ “They took photographs of my son and my friend. I live on my own, but who are these people and have they been CRB checked? That guy came into the gym and filmed without permission.
“There were about eight other people there and they were mostly women.”
Penny Waller, who still works at the Land Registry, was also filmed and was horrified to see footage of her house while her daughter was at home alone.
“They filmed me with my daughters and they filmed my 17-year-old daughter driving alone and me taking my mother home. They filmed into our front door.
“I think they were trying to say I did not have an injury but I’ve had an operation on my arm.”
PSC assistant general secretary Chris Baugh said Mrs Brooke had been singled out to discourage others from claiming.
He called the episode ‘a public disgrace’ at a meeting at the Alex Inn after the rally outside Land Registry headquarters.
Mr Baugh said the six claims for personal injury were stopped due to costs and concerns about proving that the injuries were caused by work.
A spokesman for the fitness centre confirmed they had been told of filming without their knowledge and no longer allow visitors to take bags in for fear that cameras could be concealed inside.
Of the six employees put under surveillance, three have not yet been informed they were filmed during an investigation believed to have cost £40,000 and containing more than 60 hours’ footage.
Private investigation firm Quantum Enquiries and Surveillance from Cheshire declined to comment.
This comes after news that 62 workers at the Land Registry face losing their jobs as part of cost-cutting measures.
Marion Shelley, spokesman for the Land Registry, said that Mrs Brooke was sacked for gross misconduct.
She said: “Fraud is a criminal offence and any compensation in respect of personal injury claims is paid from fee income received from Land Registry’s customers.
“Land Registry has a duty to ensure that compensation is always properly and justifiably paid.”
When asked to explain the use of surveillance at the gym she said: “The decision to commission limited surveillance was taken following legal advice and after giving due consideration to the impact on the privacy of the employees and those around them.
“Given the potential cost and impact of these and future claims if they were to succeed, Land Registry believes this was a reasonable and proportionate action. It is not a decision that was taken lightly, but Land Registry acted appropriately and in accordance with the law.”
She added: “This action was taken because it was not clear that these were legitimate claims.
“It was not connected to any trade union role held by Mrs Brooke.”
Comments(45)
Hassled
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9:20am Sat 12 Dec 09
Phaedrus
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9:54am Sat 12 Dec 09
cairnsc
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10:01am Sat 12 Dec 09
Mabu
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10:10am Sat 12 Dec 09
popup
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10:22am Sat 12 Dec 09
caz maz
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10:35am Sat 12 Dec 09
Tru belle
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10:41am Sat 12 Dec 09
A.H.W.S
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11:33am Sat 12 Dec 09
Tru belle wrote:With the greatest of respect Tru Belle, I think you have missed the point. This is not about benefit fraud. Also, I think injured service men do receive compensation. (No way near enough, in my opinion but that is a completely different story). There will always be someone somewhere whose job is more dangerous and therefore any injury sustained is naturally going to be far worse, but everything is relative. The Land Registry has a duty of care towards their staff. The HSE deemed the LR equipment unfit for purpose. I think I am right in saying that the HSE would have dealt with the LR much more seriously if they were not a Government department. Apparently they are not allowed to close down any Government departments.
Jeepers creepers, what a load of wimps in Weymouth and freeloaders! Please think about our troops who are returned badly maimed on a daily basis from Afghanistan, consider what they Do Not recieve in compensation for damaged limbs and eyesight etc. Benefit fraud is appalling, but sadly so common. There are flaws in the system which need sorting out. Benefits were a temporary hammock to sustain a period of illness, it is now seen as a free and easy income!
popup
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12:04pm Sat 12 Dec 09
staffs
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12:08pm Sat 12 Dec 09
Mabu
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1:12pm Sat 12 Dec 09
popup wrote:I agree with the majority of this, but the difference with computer related RSI compared to physical labour wear and tear is that RSI is less expected. We expect physical labour to damage us. But what healthy person could honestly say that when they start a job using IT, they would think 'I have to use a mouse, I might get severe injuries, this is too dangerous I wont do it'. Very few. And if they are not warned, they will ignore the aches and pains at first, until irreversible damage is done. This is why companies using IT have even more of a responsibility to warn about and prevent RSI. It really is a nasty thing and irreversible.
Apparently the LR cannot distinguish the difference between doing over 1000 clicks an hour on a mouse and stroking a dog. Both of which you do by choice as with any job nobody forced her to do it she done it out of choice as we all do in order to earn a living, the fact that the H.S.E found equipment not fit for purpose does not surprise me as they could go into most premises and find equipment not fit for purpose because what is fit today is not fit tomorrow, and neither the L/R or any company for that matter can afford to keep up with technology as it changes so quickly. Most people suffer as a result of their job, and accept that it goes with the job a shelf stacker might suffer from back pain/a driver from back pain piles or bad knee’s/a mechanic from back pain I could go on for hours listing the different complaints associated with different occupations. So at the end of the day either do the job or quit don’t expect any company to keep paying sick pay and compensation because YOUR body is failing or objecting to what you are doing with it.
MikeatUpwey
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1:32pm Sat 12 Dec 09
DrSpock
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2:28pm Sat 12 Dec 09
gerbil112
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4:15pm Sat 12 Dec 09
Mabu
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4:25pm Sat 12 Dec 09
gerbil112
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4:30pm Sat 12 Dec 09
Mabu wrote:http://www.wellworki
I want to reiterate for the sake of RSI sufferers; after spending hundreds on trackerballs, tablets, joysticks etc it was the 'Evoluent II vertical mouse' that saved my career. I highly recommend it.
mat2476
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4:55pm Sat 12 Dec 09
starlightaden
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5:00pm Sat 12 Dec 09
thesquid
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5:30pm Sat 12 Dec 09
DizzyDon
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5:37pm Sat 12 Dec 09
thesquid
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6:08pm Sat 12 Dec 09
macsimus
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10:32pm Sat 12 Dec 09
mat2476 wrote:"whatever means", be careful with what you wish for.
These false claims cost business millions each year and so should be investigted by whatever means.
WHYTHEFACE?
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11:29pm Sat 12 Dec 09
giveusthefacts
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1:08am Sun 13 Dec 09
Hassled
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9:55am Sun 13 Dec 09
Genghis
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9:58am Sun 13 Dec 09
giveusthefacts wrote:Maundy Thursday and Queen's Birthday are no more. Extended Christmas break? Not while I've been at the Land Registry and I've been there 25 years. Of course you can use your annual leave over the Christmas period but the office is open throughout apart from the Bank Holidays.
As an ex Civilservant with 20 yrs service.I can tell you that there are a lot of false sick claims from staff because they know how difficult it is to be sacked. What other employer will give you 6 months full pay followed by 6 months half pay when sick? The biggest culprits for sickness are PCS reps claiming stress.They are the first to complain about public sector pay, but are happy to take the extra benefits of leave for Maundy Thursday/ Queens Birthday and the extended Christmas break Well if you don't like it, get a job in the private sector and stop moaning.
scorpio69
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1:10pm Sun 13 Dec 09
Dorset-born
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2:05pm Sun 13 Dec 09
scorpio69
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2:14pm Sun 13 Dec 09
veeebs
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4:56pm Sun 13 Dec 09
Get a grip
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5:59pm Sun 13 Dec 09
Phaedrus
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6:06pm Sun 13 Dec 09
gerbil112
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6:45pm Sun 13 Dec 09
popup
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6:48pm Sun 13 Dec 09
Phaedrus wrote:Phaedrus you just said it all in one sentence (RSI has been a recognised condition for years) I know of one person who had an operation for R.S.I over 20 years ago, so there is no reason for anybody not to know about it, the lady was a typist but also spent most of her free time knitting so what percentage of her condition was down to typing and what percentage was down to knitting?? There is such a thing as duty of care and that covers everybody including yourself so if you think you are at risk and it bothers you then you should get another job. As I have stated on previous posts all jobs have their own health risks attached so it is up to the individual to decide whether to take that risk or not. I might be wrong but as i understand it the L.R used to be civil servants and used to all the perks etc that comes with being a civil servant, they are no longer civil servants and maybe finding it hard to adjust to the real world.
I do not know if the claim or claims were valid, no-one can unless they have ALL the facts. What is important is that videoing on private property without permission is unacceptable, likewise videoing of individuals not involved, especially vulnerable or young people. RSI has been a recognised condition for years, it is real and can be disabling. Employers have a legal duty to carry out risk assessments and make the workplace as safe as possible. They also need to investigate any claims which are made. It should go without saying that any investigation must be carried out in an ethical fashion. Like many others, I doubt if a small private company could get away with the tactics of the LR, or receive just a slap on the wrist if it failed to make a reasonable risk assessment.
Genghis
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8:06pm Sun 13 Dec 09
popup wrote:Land Registry is an executive agency within the Ministry of Justice but I'm happy not to be a civil servant on your say so. Though as I'm one of the ones likely to be losing my job that may be more of a fact sooner rather than later.
Phaedrus wrote: I do not know if the claim or claims were valid, no-one can unless they have ALL the facts. What is important is that videoing on private property without permission is unacceptable, likewise videoing of individuals not involved, especially vulnerable or young people. RSI has been a recognised condition for years, it is real and can be disabling. Employers have a legal duty to carry out risk assessments and make the workplace as safe as possible. They also need to investigate any claims which are made. It should go without saying that any investigation must be carried out in an ethical fashion. Like many others, I doubt if a small private company could get away with the tactics of the LR, or receive just a slap on the wrist if it failed to make a reasonable risk assessment.Phaedrus you just said it all in one sentence (RSI has been a recognised condition for years) I know of one person who had an operation for R.S.I over 20 years ago, so there is no reason for anybody not to know about it, the lady was a typist but also spent most of her free time knitting so what percentage of her condition was down to typing and what percentage was down to knitting?? There is such a thing as duty of care and that covers everybody including yourself so if you think you are at risk and it bothers you then you should get another job. As I have stated on previous posts all jobs have their own health risks attached so it is up to the individual to decide whether to take that risk or not. I might be wrong but as i understand it the L.R used to be civil servants and used to all the perks etc that comes with being a civil servant, they are no longer civil servants and maybe finding it hard to adjust to the real world.
batmo
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8:37pm Sun 13 Dec 09
Grated Orange
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8:40pm Sun 13 Dec 09
Grated Orange
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9:09pm Sun 13 Dec 09
gerbil112 wrote:I can see the point being made, but it doesn't mean that a claim was false. A union takes fees from it's members - all it's members. And it has to decide when taking a matter to court what is the cost and the probabilty of actually winning. That of course means that the court might find in neithers favour or they could lose. The union has to consider and justify spending a large portion of members fees on a single action, sometinmes they may ballot the members - as it is their subscriptions being used. Also have to consider you are facing an employer that could have unlimited funds, unfortunately all to often these cases are dropped because of the above - this does not mean the claim was fraudulant.
I understand (from an insider at LR), that as an employer, they have bent over backwards to accommodate workers needs. Anti-glare screens, ergonomic work stations and chairs, etc. Also, as the Union decided not to proceed with this matter, they obviously thought that there was no chance of winning. If there was a chance, there are plenty of "No win, No fee" Lawyers that would have taken it on. Government employers have been seen by many, for years, as a meal-ticket when it comes to "injuries". As the department is laying off staff, I wonder if Mrs Brooke was one of those?
George Bubb D
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9:35pm Sun 13 Dec 09
siratb
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5:27pm Mon 14 Dec 09
MikeatUpwey
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6:27pm Mon 14 Dec 09
gerbil112 wrote:'insiders' at the Land Registry gerbil112, I thought we were merely employees. Methinks there maybe a few 'insiders' at work here!
I understand (from an insider at LR), that as an employer, they have bent over backwards to accommodate workers needs. Anti-glare screens, ergonomic work stations and chairs, etc. Also, as the Union decided not to proceed with this matter, they obviously thought that there was no chance of winning. If there was a chance, there are plenty of "No win, No fee" Lawyers that would have taken it on. Government employers have been seen by many, for years, as a meal-ticket when it comes to "injuries". As the department is laying off staff, I wonder if Mrs Brooke was one of those?
scorpio69
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8:14pm Mon 14 Dec 09
Genghis
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12:12pm Tue 15 Dec 09
scorpio69 wrote:For the Union's sake I really hope the LR's refusal to take part in a slanging match in the local rag is because they have something to hide. Logic tells me however that as this is subject to either a court case or tribunal they will be keeping their powder dry until then. Only then will both sides of the argument be fully revealed.
To one and all. Surely if Land Registry had nothing to hide they wouldn't be "bending over backwards for staff" gerbil112 and yes there are two sides to every story which is why the staff feel so strongly about what has happened to Mrs Brooke. Guarantee there will be more from this story to come out yet. Funny how Land Registry haven't hit back yet if they have nothing to hide me thinks!
scorpio69
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7:25pm Thu 17 Dec 09
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