Trust dismiss talk of Magpies sliding down pyramid (From Dorset Echo)

For some it’s a precursor to dropping down the leagues, but that’s nonsense.

Time will tell

Where has all the Cup Money gone Mr Hearn? Any truth that Mitchell came beggiing? Are rumours that 4 players are on transfer list true? So is it really nonsense?

Time will tell.

There are 500 kids in the youth set-up, which at the moment isn’t associated with the club

It makes sense for the youth to have some sort of affliation with the club but if what I am hearing is right and that the tens of thousands of pounds that the youth set up have mainly in cash but also in other assets is in effect going to be handed over to hep fund semi profesional wages then I for one would be questioning the whole concept.

leo210856 wrote:
There are 500 kids in the youth set-up, which at the moment isn’t associated with the club

It makes sense for the youth to have some sort of affliation with the club but if what I am hearing is right and that the tens of thousands of pounds that the youth set up have mainly in cash but also in other assets is in effect going to be handed over to hep fund semi profesional wages then I for one would be questioning the whole concept.

The semi profesional wages will be funded by revenue generated by the business leo210846. Hece the concept of sustainability.

sorry but its pie in the sky I reckon

To be honest do the trust dont have a clue about running a semi pro club?

The answer is no of course they dont - DTFC should be renamed the Titanic .

who will be there to sort out the mess in a year ot two's time maybe less?

Sustainability easy to say but difficult to achieve.Bit like communisim great concept but we all know how that panned out!

But you have either chosen to ignore or missed the point of my previous comment when the youth set up is in effect dissolved and merged, combined or whatever you want to call it what will happen to the youth set ups funds?

mrmagic wrote:
sorry but its pie in the sky I reckon

To be honest do the trust dont have a clue about running a semi pro club?

The answer is no of course they dont - DTFC should be renamed the Titanic .

who will be there to sort out the mess in a year ot two's time maybe less?

But the Trust board won't be running the club. A board of directors will be running the club. the same model as any other successful business.

leo210856 wrote:
Sustainability easy to say but difficult to achieve.Bit like communisim great concept but we all know how that panned out!

But you have either chosen to ignore or missed the point of my previous comment when the youth set up is in effect dissolved and merged, combined or whatever you want to call it what will happen to the youth set ups funds?

Better efficiencies will help with the sustainability issue, the same as any other business in a corporate world. Regarding the Youth funds, ask a member of the Youth committee, I am sure they will be only too pleased to tell you of their aspirations and plans for the future and help you with any concerns you may have.

Thinkig a little more about this I wonder if there is a certain amount of mis information being put out here

Dave Ring is quoted in the report as saying:

“There are 500 kids in the youth set-up, which at the moment isn’t associated with the club

However if you look on the youth set ups own website it says

"Dorchester Town Youth Football Club (DTYFC) is intended to tell you about what we do, who we are, and what we stand for. We started out as Cosmos Boys Football Club in 1984 which grew in size to become the largest boys’ football club in Dorchester. We then became Dorchester Cosmos FC and in 2001 we amalgamated with Dorchester Town Football Club and became DTYFC."

The association of the youth set up to DTFC is confirmed in the youth set ups constitution where it says

"The Club shall also be
affiliated to Dorchester Town FC

There are no benefits that I can see bringing the youth set up under the same administrative umbrella as the semi pro side indeed it could be counterproductive and costly such as the question of would vat needed to be charged on all income etc such as plalyers subs or he palyers annual membership fee?

leo210856 wrote:
Thinkig a little more about this I wonder if there is a certain amount of mis information being put out here

Dave Ring is quoted in the report as saying:

“There are 500 kids in the youth set-up, which at the moment isn’t associated with the club

However if you look on the youth set ups own website it says

"Dorchester Town Youth Football Club (DTYFC) is intended to tell you about what we do, who we are, and what we stand for. We started out as Cosmos Boys Football Club in 1984 which grew in size to become the largest boys’ football club in Dorchester. We then became Dorchester Cosmos FC and in 2001 we amalgamated with Dorchester Town Football Club and became DTYFC."

The association of the youth set up to DTFC is confirmed in the youth set ups constitution where it says

"The Club shall also be
affiliated to Dorchester Town FC

There are no benefits that I can see bringing the youth set up under the same administrative umbrella as the semi pro side indeed it could be counterproductive and costly such as the question of would vat needed to be charged on all income etc such as plalyers subs or he palyers annual membership fee?

I respect your views Leo210856 and I admire your knowledge of the current and historical relationship between the club and the Youth etc. However, you are quite quick to highlight any shortfalls regarding the concept of the community ownership of football clubs but you offer no alternative solution to the fact that there are no rich benefactors out there willing to subsidise your entertainment by putting their hands in their back pocket. I would be really interested in your thoughts regarding the best way forward for the club.

Please dont think I am against the idea of community ownership.I think it is your only option but I dont think the risks that following this route are or if someone voices concerns thay dismissed as being nonsene.I do have real concerns that the money raised in the name of youth football will be thrown into the pot and will be used to fund activities other than it was primarily raised for.
Shaun couldnt carry on funding he made that clear some while ago,and had it not been for the fantastic FA cup run I think we all know even harder decisions would have to be made and perhaps a lot earlier.
Running a non league football club is a very expensive business and yes you will be able to cut certain costs but many such as insurance, business rates, electric, gas etc are fiexed or if not other than saving the odd quid or two they will continue to drain.
We will increase revenue is easy to say but not easy to achieve and I very much doubt that save the odd business many will be in a position to throw more money the way of the football club and I woud suggest that already a lot of local business do support the club by providing services far more than a lot may realise .
The reality is that players wages are the single biggest expense and whilst following the model that is being suggested will, at some point result in the playing budget being cut and whilst there maybe the odd exceptions that means players with lessser ability will be signed it has been tried before and failed .
I wouldnt adocate merging Weymouth and Dorchester so we are back to the only option that is other than not to have any club at all!.

No supporter of either club would be in favour of a merger between the two so that solution would be in my opinion a non starter. Certainly did not work for Hayes and Yeading, Rushden and Diamonds or any of the other merged clubs I can think of. Please be assured though, when the due dilligence has been completed the Trust will know exactly what budget needs to be made and were they wll be allocated to within the business. There are some very good people working on this poject.

The bottom line is the trust are a bunch of well-meaning but ineffective civil servants. They haven't a clue about running a business and I don't see a future for the football club with them in charge. It will be a sad day when they take control.

DTFCSponsor wrote:
The bottom line is the trust are a bunch of well-meaning but ineffective civil servants. They haven't a clue about running a business and I don't see a future for the football club with them in charge. It will be a sad day when they take control.

You can relax then DTFCSposor. The Trust have already said they won't be running the club, A board of directors will be made up predominantly of local businessmen.

validus pica wrote:

DTFCSponsor wrote:
The bottom line is the trust are a bunch of well-meaning but ineffective civil servants. They haven't a clue about running a business and I don't see a future for the football club with them in charge. It will be a sad day when they take control.

You can relax then DTFCSposor. The Trust have already said they won't be running the club, A board of directors will be made up predominantly of local businessmen.

I understand why you try to make the point but the reality s most football clubs have been made up by busisnessmen!

leo210856 wrote:

validus pica wrote:

DTFCSponsor wrote:
The bottom line is the trust are a bunch of well-meaning but ineffective civil servants. They haven't a clue about running a business and I don't see a future for the football club with them in charge. It will be a sad day when they take control.

You can relax then DTFCSposor. The Trust have already said they won't be running the club, A board of directors will be made up predominantly of local businessmen.

I understand why you try to make the point but the reality s most football clubs have been made up by busisnessmen!

And to be fair leo210856, most clubs are in serious financial trouble. Time for change.

validus pica wrote:

leo210856 wrote:

validus pica wrote:

DTFCSponsor wrote:
The bottom line is the trust are a bunch of well-meaning but ineffective civil servants. They haven't a clue about running a business and I don't see a future for the football club with them in charge. It will be a sad day when they take control.

You can relax then DTFCSposor. The Trust have already said they won't be running the club, A board of directors will be made up predominantly of local businessmen.

I understand why you try to make the point but the reality s most football clubs have been made up by busisnessmen!

And to be fair leo210856, most clubs are in serious financial trouble. Time for change.

You honestly believe this?

More fool you if you do.

Disaster beckons, Leo is 100% correct.

Why would local businessmen get involved with a sinking ship?

leo210856 i am in total agreement with your comments. As a long serving member of DTYFC this is suicide for the youth section. Of course the supporters trust are going to want DTYFC on board. How much money do the supporters trust have in there bank account? I am sure it is no where near the amount the youth section are reported to have. This whole take over is full of egos!
validus pica, can you name the local business people who have expressed an interest in running the club? Many have tried and many have failed!
Look at the personal loss Shaun has had to take to keep your beloved DTFC up and running.

DisillusionedDTYFCMe
mber wrote:
leo210856 i am in total agreement with your comments. As a long serving member of DTYFC this is suicide for the youth section. Of course the supporters trust are going to want DTYFC on board. How much money do the supporters trust have in there bank account? I am sure it is no where near the amount the youth section are reported to have. This whole take over is full of egos!
validus pica, can you name the local business people who have expressed an interest in running the club? Many have tried and many have failed!
Look at the personal loss Shaun has had to take to keep your beloved DTFC up and running.

Ok then, you win. Lets let the cub die then.

That's the attitude "validus pica" throw your toys out of the pram!
People are coming up with valid points and concerns that you as a spokesperson should be dealing with.
How are the trust going to maintain the Avenue Stadium on a full repairing lease?
What is the DTYFC money going to be spent on? A home was always promised by the committee of DTYFC, was that a home on a daft Duchy full repairing lease?
Have the many many volunteers that keep DTYFC afloat been asked of there opinion? Is it really a committee that keep DTYFC going, don't be stupid its the hundreds of volunteers that give up there time to keep kids of Dorchester playing football. This is a very dark time for DTYFC!

DisillusionedDTYFCMe
mber wrote:
That's the attitude "validus pica" throw your toys out of the pram!
People are coming up with valid points and concerns that you as a spokesperson should be dealing with.
How are the trust going to maintain the Avenue Stadium on a full repairing lease?
What is the DTYFC money going to be spent on? A home was always promised by the committee of DTYFC, was that a home on a daft Duchy full repairing lease?
Have the many many volunteers that keep DTYFC afloat been asked of there opinion? Is it really a committee that keep DTYFC going, don't be stupid its the hundreds of volunteers that give up there time to keep kids of Dorchester playing football. This is a very dark time for DTYFC!

All the DTYFC Youth managers have been kept informed with all discussions; if you are genuinely associated with the Youth then perhaps you should have raised your concerns when asked to do so instead of anonymously on here. I am sure the Youth FC committee members would appreciate your feedback.

DisillusionedDTYFCMe
mber wrote:
That's the attitude "validus pica" throw your toys out of the pram!
People are coming up with valid points and concerns that you as a spokesperson should be dealing with.
How are the trust going to maintain the Avenue Stadium on a full repairing lease?
What is the DTYFC money going to be spent on? A home was always promised by the committee of DTYFC, was that a home on a daft Duchy full repairing lease?
Have the many many volunteers that keep DTYFC afloat been asked of there opinion? Is it really a committee that keep DTYFC going, don't be stupid its the hundreds of volunteers that give up there time to keep kids of Dorchester playing football. This is a very dark time for DTYFC!

All the DTYFC Youth managers have been kept informed with all discussions; if you are genuinely associated with the Youth then perhaps you should have raised your concerns when asked to do so instead of anonymously on here. I am sure the Youth FC committee members would appreciate your feedback.

I am one of many against a so called trust running the club. Supporters are excactly that and should remain so.Many succesfull businesmen have been on ego trips and ended up skint. Football is a business and should be run exactly as that. It may well be that the trust has only one or two reps on the board but they will carry a mandate presumably for all the trust members.If and when the time comes to appoint a new manager a farce could ensue. Most supporters are enthusiasts and are to be commended for their support but please dont lead the club to ruin. It will all end in tears. I read that the new regime will appoint a director of football- presiume he will be a director of fantasy football.

bedpans wrote:
I am one of many against a so called trust running the club. Supporters are excactly that and should remain so.Many succesfull businesmen have been on ego trips and ended up skint. Football is a business and should be run exactly as that. It may well be that the trust has only one or two reps on the board but they will carry a mandate presumably for all the trust members.If and when the time comes to appoint a new manager a farce could ensue. Most supporters are enthusiasts and are to be commended for their support but please dont lead the club to ruin. It will all end in tears. I read that the new regime will appoint a director of football- presiume he will be a director of fantasy football.

How many more times do I need to say this. The Trust will NOT be running the club.

Can the supporters trust not see that people are against this idea.
I'm afraid the trust doesn't inspire people and the greater majority can see that this is doomed to fail.
Yes the volunteers that make up DTYFC were asked there opinion on the merger but unfortunately our opinions were quickly brushed aside.
validus pica if your trust does continue on this foolish path it will be the trust that causes the death of DTFC! How many supporters will come to watch a team in the Magna Dorset Premier League?

Perhaps the dillusioned dtyfc member should give the youth chairman a ring and voice his concernes before its to late,

I would doubt that a committee/chairman/y
outh team managers of the youth set can, without a formal vote at either an EGM or AGM change its documented rules and regulations. I would have thought that formal resolutions would have to be put to the members (parents?) and then I wonder what the FA/ DFCA view will be on this for again I think they have the final word.
I wonder if another view on this could be that the proposal is in effect to disband DTFC Youth as a seperate club and set up as part of new community club. If that view has legs then a whole different position would exist in terms of the funds of the youth setup.

How can you say the trust won't be running or having a say in the club. That's the whole idea of a community run club. This is a disaster waiting To happen. A sad day for all Magpies fans.

Who said the Trust won't be having a say? I'm still waiting to read a viable alternative solution to the clubs problems from any of the doubters. If anyone has real concerns, talk to a Trust representative, you just may see a different picture.

validus pica wrote:
Who said the Trust won't be having a say? I'm still waiting to read a viable alternative solution to the clubs problems from any of the doubters. If anyone has real concerns, talk to a Trust representative, you just may see a different picture.

Or maybe all the doubters are right and you and your trust bored egos are wrong. If so then you and your mates will be guilty of murdering DTFC.

validus pica wrote:
Who said the Trust won't be having a say? I'm still waiting to read a viable alternative solution to the clubs problems from any of the doubters. If anyone has real concerns, talk to a Trust representative, you just may see a different picture.

So now you Are admitting the trust will assist in running the club!! Exactly what we have all been telling you , but you continued to deny it! If this happens , Dorchester Town FC will die and sink into non league oblivion.

The supporters trust need to take every point made on board and perhaps a ballot of all DTYFC members should take place. I am not against this happening i just want to make sure that everything has been covered. £70,000 is a lot of money to lose especially with dreamers running the trust!
I would also love to see the list of business people willing and able to sit on the board of directors.
Shaun thank you for everything you have done but for the sake of DTFC but please make sure that this proposal will work before signing over to a group of egos!

212 dorset wrote:

validus pica wrote:
Who said the Trust won't be having a say? I'm still waiting to read a viable alternative solution to the clubs problems from any of the doubters. If anyone has real concerns, talk to a Trust representative, you just may see a different picture.

So now you Are admitting the trust will assist in running the club!! Exactly what we have all been telling you , but you continued to deny it! If this happens , Dorchester Town FC will die and sink into non league oblivion.

It seems to me there are two options:

1. Let the trust run the club, but with the directors being local businessmen
2. Look for a new owner with deep pockets.

The latter is clearly not going to happen, so you'd better stop squabbling amongst yourselves :-)

JamesYoung says...
It seems to me there are two options:

1. Let the trust run the club, but with the directors being local businessmen
2. Look for a new owner with deep pockets.

Who are these local business people who wish to be directors? Why are they not standing up and saying I want to be part of this take over!

Its quiet for a reason, any local SUCCESSFUL business person is going to want nothing to do with a football club!

Wake up and smell the coffee DTFC & DTYFC are doomed to fail!

Disillusioned DTYFC Member you are obviously not who you say you are , your just another wind up merchant who second guesses and knows nothing , yawn yawn yawn yawn yawn,
get a life

mutlydosomething wrote:
Disillusioned DTYFC Member you are obviously not who you say you are , your just another wind up merchant who second guesses and knows nothing , yawn yawn yawn yawn yawn,
get a life

This is where the whole story goes full circle.
I guess that you are either one of those that are in the loop or think that all that glitters is gold so, by virtue of this cant accept that others have concerns or dont agree with the concept.
Now I dont know if DTYFC member is able to voice his concern or feels that its a done deal but to just dismiss because you dont like what you hear is a recipe for disaster

So who would be responsible for appointing The Director of Football,as has been mentioned? Board Members? The Trust Members?

Obviously validus pica is in denial and wants it both ways

He dont want the responsibility of running the club hence says the trust wont be running the club BUT as others say who appoints the directors – the shareholders of course. Who is the largest shareholder? Oh surprise the trust.

So when it goes all wrong as it will then no doubt validus pica will then absolve himself of all responsibility.

Interesting how he has now gone all quiet as the intensity of the criticism has risen.