Walkers discover carcasses of baby deer and its mother in Weymouth meadow

Dorset Echo: GRIM FIND: Terry Butcher discovered the bodies of a baby roe deer and its mother in fields off Louviers Road at Littlemoor GRIM FIND: Terry Butcher discovered the bodies of a baby roe deer and its mother in fields off Louviers Road at Littlemoor

WALKERS were sickened to discover the carcasses of a baby deer and its mother killed in a popular meadow in Weymouth.

The fawn could have been no more than two weeks old, those who came across the gruesome scene said. The remains were found at the top of Dorset Wildlife Trust land at Lorton Meadows, near Littlemoor.

It is believed poachers were responsible for the attack.

Terry Butcher, who made the grisly discovery, said: “It’s happening a lot.

“Nobody seems to know who it is, the carcases just appear.

“It made me feel sick when I saw it. And it was in such a position that anybody could walk up there and see it in full view. The baby couldn’t have been more than two weeks old.

“It’s a real shame because a lot of people go over there and love to see the animals running around.”

The animals had been hacked to pieces and remains left at the scene.

Dog owner Sue Bascombe also came across the scene. She was waiting for police, as her car had been vandalised, when her dog found them in the grass.

She said: “It was disgusting.

“It made me feel so sick. I can’t believe someone could do that.

“The baby’s head can’t have been bigger than my fist.

“It was nothing but a couple of weeks old. They’re so beautiful when you see them up there running about.”

A Dorset Police spokesman said they had asked Dorset County Council to remove the remains.

Sue added: “The police need to get some patrols out there.

“This is not just happening once in a blue moon, this is happening all the time.

“And I can’t believe people are buying the meat. If these poachers didn’t have any custom, they wouldn’t be doing it.”

Witnesses also described seeing bin bags containing entrails left near to the scene.

It is illegal to poach on the land.

It is also illegal not to dispose of animal waste properly.

Ward councillor for Littlemoor Mark Tewkesbury said: “We’re not pleased that this is happening and we will be working with Dorset Wildlife Trust and other organisations to see what we can do to stop it.”

If you spot poached animals at Lorton Meadows, please call the Conservation Centre on 01305 816546 and Dorset Police on 101.

If you catch poachers in the act on the land, call Dorset Police using the emergency number.

Conservation Officers ‘Saddened’ By Horror Find

UNDER the Deer Act, it is an offence to poach game without a licence.

It is also an offence to dispose of Category Two waste – such as the deer remains – on land with open access as it is a hazard to the public.

The Animal By-Products (Enforcement) (England) Regulations 2011 states that animal waste not intended for human consumption must be disposed of properly.

Sam Dallimore, Dorset Wildlife Trust community conservation officer, said: “Dorset Wildlife Trust staff were saddened to learn that deer carcasses had been dumped on our popular nature reserve at Lorton Meadows, for members of the public to find.

“The reserve is a haven for wildlife, particularly with ongoing building development in the surrounding area.

“The site is also a fantastic natural area for many local people, who enjoy walking around the reserve and watching or interacting with the wildlife on their doorsteps.

“The Wildlife Trust has not granted any licences to control deer at Lorton Meadows, as we believe the Roe Deer population on the reserve to be fairly small, and due to surrounding urban areas there are few wildlife corridors for new deer to come into the reserve.”

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10:17am Tue 30 Oct 12

cj07589 says...

No doubt the callous depravity of some wicked feral inhabitant most likely leeching benefits off the state. It make me sick to think there are such evil and wick humans in our midst. Why would anybody want to harm or kill and defenceless new born animal is beyond any words or justification. Sick bastewards
No doubt the callous depravity of some wicked feral inhabitant most likely leeching benefits off the state. It make me sick to think there are such evil and wick humans in our midst. Why would anybody want to harm or kill and defenceless new born animal is beyond any words or justification. Sick bastewards cj07589
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10:49am Tue 30 Oct 12

stench says...

probably one of the those benefit claiming pikies!

'We live off the land...'

No you dont, you claim benefits, steal and destroy our beautiful country!
probably one of the those benefit claiming pikies! 'We live off the land...' No you dont, you claim benefits, steal and destroy our beautiful country! stench
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11:50am Tue 30 Oct 12

A Little More says...

"Benefit scroungers", "scum" and "pikies". You people make yourselves look very intellectual sitting behind your computer screens on your nice salaries or pensions or whatever other vast income that permits you to be knocking the lower classes at this time if day. The idea that everybody that inhabits Littlemoor sits comfortably on tax funded state handouts is a myth. Times are hard and nobody can resist a free or cheap meal no matter where it has come from. It certainly isn't pretty and it may not be pleasant but nature very rarely is. We are omnivores after all. The article doesn't mention wether the animals were dispatched compassionately, only that the hunters field dressing and butchery skills leave a lot to be desired. Making a mess of a carcas post mortem, whilst inconsiderate, is hardly inhumane. Animals are slaughtered in their tens, maybe even hundreds, of thousands worldwide each and every day and the majority of people allow this to happen unhindered and even support it through their purchasing of supermarket meat and whilst I personally disagree with the slaughter of young animals, sucking pigs are slaughtered at between 2 and 6 weeks of age and veal calves, not much older. I fail to see how, apart from a legal aspect, this is any different.
There are many people on Littlemoor, and the whole of Weymouth, that live below, on or just above the bread line. These are not all career benefit claimants. Some just weren't gifted the potential to leave school with a string of qualifications and now struggle on 48 hour a week jobs that pay barely in excess of the national minimum wage. Without poaching or the black market many of these people would not be able to put meat into the mouths of their children. It's the same the country over- shopping bills are rising, fuel prices are increasing and housing costs are going through the roof, but wages aren't even following inflation and the government has slashed the amount of tax credits it gives to poor families. 
Don't judge these people until you know all the facts.
"Benefit scroungers", "scum" and "pikies". You people make yourselves look very intellectual sitting behind your computer screens on your nice salaries or pensions or whatever other vast income that permits you to be knocking the lower classes at this time if day. The idea that everybody that inhabits Littlemoor sits comfortably on tax funded state handouts is a myth. Times are hard and nobody can resist a free or cheap meal no matter where it has come from. It certainly isn't pretty and it may not be pleasant but nature very rarely is. We are omnivores after all. The article doesn't mention wether the animals were dispatched compassionately, only that the hunters field dressing and butchery skills leave a lot to be desired. Making a mess of a carcas post mortem, whilst inconsiderate, is hardly inhumane. Animals are slaughtered in their tens, maybe even hundreds, of thousands worldwide each and every day and the majority of people allow this to happen unhindered and even support it through their purchasing of supermarket meat and whilst I personally disagree with the slaughter of young animals, sucking pigs are slaughtered at between 2 and 6 weeks of age and veal calves, not much older. I fail to see how, apart from a legal aspect, this is any different. There are many people on Littlemoor, and the whole of Weymouth, that live below, on or just above the bread line. These are not all career benefit claimants. Some just weren't gifted the potential to leave school with a string of qualifications and now struggle on 48 hour a week jobs that pay barely in excess of the national minimum wage. Without poaching or the black market many of these people would not be able to put meat into the mouths of their children. It's the same the country over- shopping bills are rising, fuel prices are increasing and housing costs are going through the roof, but wages aren't even following inflation and the government has slashed the amount of tax credits it gives to poor families.  Don't judge these people until you know all the facts. A Little More
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12:27pm Tue 30 Oct 12

JoeyJo says...

A Little More says...
"Times are hard and nobody can resist a free or cheap meal no matter where it has come from. It certainly isn't pretty and it may not be pleasant but nature very rarely is."

However hard is no excuse for breaking the law. This wasn't nature but humans breaking the law and leaving the results for others to clean up. There is no comparison between this and legal farming of animals.
A Little More says... "Times are hard and nobody can resist a free or cheap meal no matter where it has come from. It certainly isn't pretty and it may not be pleasant but nature very rarely is." However hard is no excuse for breaking the law. This wasn't nature but humans breaking the law and leaving the results for others to clean up. There is no comparison between this and legal farming of animals. JoeyJo
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12:28pm Tue 30 Oct 12

shy talk says...

Yes I am one of those sitting on my pension. However I totally agree with A Little More. I suggest that ever one watch a documentary on BBC 1 tonight 10.35 pm, titled Britain's Hidden Hungry. Its about 170,000 people in Britain who relay on Britain's charity food banks to survive.
Yes I am one of those sitting on my pension. However I totally agree with A Little More. I suggest that ever one watch a documentary on BBC 1 tonight 10.35 pm, titled Britain's Hidden Hungry. Its about 170,000 people in Britain who relay on Britain's charity food banks to survive. shy talk
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1:09pm Tue 30 Oct 12

stench says...

A Little More wrote:
"Benefit scroungers", "scum" and "pikies". You people make yourselves look very intellectual sitting behind your computer screens on your nice salaries or pensions or whatever other vast income that permits you to be knocking the lower classes at this time if day. The idea that everybody that inhabits Littlemoor sits comfortably on tax funded state handouts is a myth. Times are hard and nobody can resist a free or cheap meal no matter where it has come from. It certainly isn't pretty and it may not be pleasant but nature very rarely is. We are omnivores after all. The article doesn't mention wether the animals were dispatched compassionately, only that the hunters field dressing and butchery skills leave a lot to be desired. Making a mess of a carcas post mortem, whilst inconsiderate, is hardly inhumane. Animals are slaughtered in their tens, maybe even hundreds, of thousands worldwide each and every day and the majority of people allow this to happen unhindered and even support it through their purchasing of supermarket meat and whilst I personally disagree with the slaughter of young animals, sucking pigs are slaughtered at between 2 and 6 weeks of age and veal calves, not much older. I fail to see how, apart from a legal aspect, this is any different. There are many people on Littlemoor, and the whole of Weymouth, that live below, on or just above the bread line. These are not all career benefit claimants. Some just weren't gifted the potential to leave school with a string of qualifications and now struggle on 48 hour a week jobs that pay barely in excess of the national minimum wage. Without poaching or the black market many of these people would not be able to put meat into the mouths of their children. It's the same the country over- shopping bills are rising, fuel prices are increasing and housing costs are going through the roof, but wages aren't even following inflation and the government has slashed the amount of tax credits it gives to poor families.  Don't judge these people until you know all the facts.
probably the same pikies that go around breaking in to houses. but i suppose they have to eat...

Life is what you make it, even in these hard times!
[quote][p][bold]A Little More[/bold] wrote: "Benefit scroungers", "scum" and "pikies". You people make yourselves look very intellectual sitting behind your computer screens on your nice salaries or pensions or whatever other vast income that permits you to be knocking the lower classes at this time if day. The idea that everybody that inhabits Littlemoor sits comfortably on tax funded state handouts is a myth. Times are hard and nobody can resist a free or cheap meal no matter where it has come from. It certainly isn't pretty and it may not be pleasant but nature very rarely is. We are omnivores after all. The article doesn't mention wether the animals were dispatched compassionately, only that the hunters field dressing and butchery skills leave a lot to be desired. Making a mess of a carcas post mortem, whilst inconsiderate, is hardly inhumane. Animals are slaughtered in their tens, maybe even hundreds, of thousands worldwide each and every day and the majority of people allow this to happen unhindered and even support it through their purchasing of supermarket meat and whilst I personally disagree with the slaughter of young animals, sucking pigs are slaughtered at between 2 and 6 weeks of age and veal calves, not much older. I fail to see how, apart from a legal aspect, this is any different. There are many people on Littlemoor, and the whole of Weymouth, that live below, on or just above the bread line. These are not all career benefit claimants. Some just weren't gifted the potential to leave school with a string of qualifications and now struggle on 48 hour a week jobs that pay barely in excess of the national minimum wage. Without poaching or the black market many of these people would not be able to put meat into the mouths of their children. It's the same the country over- shopping bills are rising, fuel prices are increasing and housing costs are going through the roof, but wages aren't even following inflation and the government has slashed the amount of tax credits it gives to poor families.  Don't judge these people until you know all the facts.[/p][/quote]probably the same pikies that go around breaking in to houses. but i suppose they have to eat... Life is what you make it, even in these hard times! stench
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1:49pm Tue 30 Oct 12

cj07589 says...

A Little More wrote:
"Benefit scroungers", "scum" and "pikies". You people make yourselves look very intellectual sitting behind your computer screens on your nice salaries or pensions or whatever other vast income that permits you to be knocking the lower classes at this time if day. The idea that everybody that inhabits Littlemoor sits comfortably on tax funded state handouts is a myth. Times are hard and nobody can resist a free or cheap meal no matter where it has come from. It certainly isn't pretty and it may not be pleasant but nature very rarely is. We are omnivores after all. The article doesn't mention wether the animals were dispatched compassionately, only that the hunters field dressing and butchery skills leave a lot to be desired. Making a mess of a carcas post mortem, whilst inconsiderate, is hardly inhumane. Animals are slaughtered in their tens, maybe even hundreds, of thousands worldwide each and every day and the majority of people allow this to happen unhindered and even support it through their purchasing of supermarket meat and whilst I personally disagree with the slaughter of young animals, sucking pigs are slaughtered at between 2 and 6 weeks of age and veal calves, not much older. I fail to see how, apart from a legal aspect, this is any different. There are many people on Littlemoor, and the whole of Weymouth, that live below, on or just above the bread line. These are not all career benefit claimants. Some just weren't gifted the potential to leave school with a string of qualifications and now struggle on 48 hour a week jobs that pay barely in excess of the national minimum wage. Without poaching or the black market many of these people would not be able to put meat into the mouths of their children. It's the same the country over- shopping bills are rising, fuel prices are increasing and housing costs are going through the roof, but wages aren't even following inflation and the government has slashed the amount of tax credits it gives to poor families.  Don't judge these people until you know all the facts.
What a disgraceful and pitiful attempt at tying to justify completely unnecessary cruelty to animals who have just as much right to share this overcrowded planet with us.
The blah blah blah remove the chip on my shoulder holy than thou rot doesn’t wash son! .....the poor have to eat...... socialist crud is quite frankly nauseating. How on earth do you sleep at night believing in such brainwashed propaganda?
It is infuriating when ridiculous comparisons are made between a struggling low income family living in the UK with access to modern comforts such as heating, water, clean sanitation, free, welfare income support, food banks, free health and dentist treatment etc......
You clearly have no concept of the definition of ‘poverty’, I suggest you wake up and experience life properly by visiting developing countries like India or Africa where the malnourished die every minute. Get some real experience before preaching from your ivory tower!
[quote][p][bold]A Little More[/bold] wrote: "Benefit scroungers", "scum" and "pikies". You people make yourselves look very intellectual sitting behind your computer screens on your nice salaries or pensions or whatever other vast income that permits you to be knocking the lower classes at this time if day. The idea that everybody that inhabits Littlemoor sits comfortably on tax funded state handouts is a myth. Times are hard and nobody can resist a free or cheap meal no matter where it has come from. It certainly isn't pretty and it may not be pleasant but nature very rarely is. We are omnivores after all. The article doesn't mention wether the animals were dispatched compassionately, only that the hunters field dressing and butchery skills leave a lot to be desired. Making a mess of a carcas post mortem, whilst inconsiderate, is hardly inhumane. Animals are slaughtered in their tens, maybe even hundreds, of thousands worldwide each and every day and the majority of people allow this to happen unhindered and even support it through their purchasing of supermarket meat and whilst I personally disagree with the slaughter of young animals, sucking pigs are slaughtered at between 2 and 6 weeks of age and veal calves, not much older. I fail to see how, apart from a legal aspect, this is any different. There are many people on Littlemoor, and the whole of Weymouth, that live below, on or just above the bread line. These are not all career benefit claimants. Some just weren't gifted the potential to leave school with a string of qualifications and now struggle on 48 hour a week jobs that pay barely in excess of the national minimum wage. Without poaching or the black market many of these people would not be able to put meat into the mouths of their children. It's the same the country over- shopping bills are rising, fuel prices are increasing and housing costs are going through the roof, but wages aren't even following inflation and the government has slashed the amount of tax credits it gives to poor families.  Don't judge these people until you know all the facts.[/p][/quote]What a disgraceful and pitiful attempt at tying to justify completely unnecessary cruelty to animals who have just as much right to share this overcrowded planet with us. The blah blah blah remove the chip on my shoulder holy than thou rot doesn’t wash son! .....the poor have to eat...... socialist crud is quite frankly nauseating. How on earth do you sleep at night believing in such brainwashed propaganda? It is infuriating when ridiculous comparisons are made between a struggling low income family living in the UK with access to modern comforts such as heating, water, clean sanitation, free, welfare income support, food banks, free health and dentist treatment etc...... You clearly have no concept of the definition of ‘poverty’, I suggest you wake up and experience life properly by visiting developing countries like India or Africa where the malnourished die every minute. Get some real experience before preaching from your ivory tower! cj07589
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2:43pm Tue 30 Oct 12

A.Hollis says...

JoeyJo wrote:
A Little More says...
"Times are hard and nobody can resist a free or cheap meal no matter where it has come from. It certainly isn't pretty and it may not be pleasant but nature very rarely is."

However hard is no excuse for breaking the law. This wasn't nature but humans breaking the law and leaving the results for others to clean up. There is no comparison between this and legal farming of animals.
How long has it been against the law to stalk deer?

Where do you think venison comes from? Deer farms?
[quote][p][bold]JoeyJo[/bold] wrote: A Little More says... "Times are hard and nobody can resist a free or cheap meal no matter where it has come from. It certainly isn't pretty and it may not be pleasant but nature very rarely is." However hard is no excuse for breaking the law. This wasn't nature but humans breaking the law and leaving the results for others to clean up. There is no comparison between this and legal farming of animals.[/p][/quote]How long has it been against the law to stalk deer? Where do you think venison comes from? Deer farms? A.Hollis
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3:29pm Tue 30 Oct 12

A Little More says...

cj07589 wrote:
A Little More wrote:
"Benefit scroungers", "scum" and "pikies". You people make yourselves look very intellectual sitting behind your computer screens on your nice salaries or pensions or whatever other vast income that permits you to be knocking the lower classes at this time if day. The idea that everybody that inhabits Littlemoor sits comfortably on tax funded state handouts is a myth. Times are hard and nobody can resist a free or cheap meal no matter where it has come from. It certainly isn't pretty and it may not be pleasant but nature very rarely is. We are omnivores after all. The article doesn't mention wether the animals were dispatched compassionately, only that the hunters field dressing and butchery skills leave a lot to be desired. Making a mess of a carcas post mortem, whilst inconsiderate, is hardly inhumane. Animals are slaughtered in their tens, maybe even hundreds, of thousands worldwide each and every day and the majority of people allow this to happen unhindered and even support it through their purchasing of supermarket meat and whilst I personally disagree with the slaughter of young animals, sucking pigs are slaughtered at between 2 and 6 weeks of age and veal calves, not much older. I fail to see how, apart from a legal aspect, this is any different. There are many people on Littlemoor, and the whole of Weymouth, that live below, on or just above the bread line. These are not all career benefit claimants. Some just weren't gifted the potential to leave school with a string of qualifications and now struggle on 48 hour a week jobs that pay barely in excess of the national minimum wage. Without poaching or the black market many of these people would not be able to put meat into the mouths of their children. It's the same the country over- shopping bills are rising, fuel prices are increasing and housing costs are going through the roof, but wages aren't even following inflation and the government has slashed the amount of tax credits it gives to poor families.  Don't judge these people until you know all the facts.
What a disgraceful and pitiful attempt at tying to justify completely unnecessary cruelty to animals who have just as much right to share this overcrowded planet with us.
The blah blah blah remove the chip on my shoulder holy than thou rot doesn’t wash son! .....the poor have to eat...... socialist crud is quite frankly nauseating. How on earth do you sleep at night believing in such brainwashed propaganda?
It is infuriating when ridiculous comparisons are made between a struggling low income family living in the UK with access to modern comforts such as heating, water, clean sanitation, free, welfare income support, food banks, free health and dentist treatment etc......
You clearly have no concept of the definition of ‘poverty’, I suggest you wake up and experience life properly by visiting developing countries like India or Africa where the malnourished die every minute. Get some real experience before preaching from your ivory tower!
I have a very good conception of the term poverty. I witnessed it first hand during my time in the forces and in each country I thanked my lucky stars that I was fortunate enough to hail from a civilised society. I also noticed that many people from these parts of the world hunted wild game without bigoted snobbery being thrown at them by the local rag. Why you felt the need to add quotation marks to the word poverty is beyond me considering that I didn't use it in my original post.
I think it is you, sir, that has been brainwashed by Tory propeganda of you believe that the poor are handed all of those things by the state. If low income families receive welfare handouts, food from food banks and free dental treatment can you please point me in the direction of where I can sign up?
You can try and hide your bigotry behind your weak "unnecessary cruelty to animals" arguement but either I'm missing something or the original article didn't mention it. You have no way to tell as to how these animals were killed. Almost all venison traded in the UK dies at the end of a gun and you have no reason to believe these animals were slaughtered any differently.
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A Little More[/bold] wrote: "Benefit scroungers", "scum" and "pikies". You people make yourselves look very intellectual sitting behind your computer screens on your nice salaries or pensions or whatever other vast income that permits you to be knocking the lower classes at this time if day. The idea that everybody that inhabits Littlemoor sits comfortably on tax funded state handouts is a myth. Times are hard and nobody can resist a free or cheap meal no matter where it has come from. It certainly isn't pretty and it may not be pleasant but nature very rarely is. We are omnivores after all. The article doesn't mention wether the animals were dispatched compassionately, only that the hunters field dressing and butchery skills leave a lot to be desired. Making a mess of a carcas post mortem, whilst inconsiderate, is hardly inhumane. Animals are slaughtered in their tens, maybe even hundreds, of thousands worldwide each and every day and the majority of people allow this to happen unhindered and even support it through their purchasing of supermarket meat and whilst I personally disagree with the slaughter of young animals, sucking pigs are slaughtered at between 2 and 6 weeks of age and veal calves, not much older. I fail to see how, apart from a legal aspect, this is any different. There are many people on Littlemoor, and the whole of Weymouth, that live below, on or just above the bread line. These are not all career benefit claimants. Some just weren't gifted the potential to leave school with a string of qualifications and now struggle on 48 hour a week jobs that pay barely in excess of the national minimum wage. Without poaching or the black market many of these people would not be able to put meat into the mouths of their children. It's the same the country over- shopping bills are rising, fuel prices are increasing and housing costs are going through the roof, but wages aren't even following inflation and the government has slashed the amount of tax credits it gives to poor families.  Don't judge these people until you know all the facts.[/p][/quote]What a disgraceful and pitiful attempt at tying to justify completely unnecessary cruelty to animals who have just as much right to share this overcrowded planet with us. The blah blah blah remove the chip on my shoulder holy than thou rot doesn’t wash son! .....the poor have to eat...... socialist crud is quite frankly nauseating. How on earth do you sleep at night believing in such brainwashed propaganda? It is infuriating when ridiculous comparisons are made between a struggling low income family living in the UK with access to modern comforts such as heating, water, clean sanitation, free, welfare income support, food banks, free health and dentist treatment etc...... You clearly have no concept of the definition of ‘poverty’, I suggest you wake up and experience life properly by visiting developing countries like India or Africa where the malnourished die every minute. Get some real experience before preaching from your ivory tower![/p][/quote]I have a very good conception of the term poverty. I witnessed it first hand during my time in the forces and in each country I thanked my lucky stars that I was fortunate enough to hail from a civilised society. I also noticed that many people from these parts of the world hunted wild game without bigoted snobbery being thrown at them by the local rag. Why you felt the need to add quotation marks to the word poverty is beyond me considering that I didn't use it in my original post. I think it is you, sir, that has been brainwashed by Tory propeganda of you believe that the poor are handed all of those things by the state. If low income families receive welfare handouts, food from food banks and free dental treatment can you please point me in the direction of where I can sign up? You can try and hide your bigotry behind your weak "unnecessary cruelty to animals" arguement but either I'm missing something or the original article didn't mention it. You have no way to tell as to how these animals were killed. Almost all venison traded in the UK dies at the end of a gun and you have no reason to believe these animals were slaughtered any differently. A Little More
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4:14pm Tue 30 Oct 12

maximan says...

A Little More wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
A Little More wrote:
"Benefit scroungers", "scum" and "pikies". You people make yourselves look very intellectual sitting behind your computer screens on your nice salaries or pensions or whatever other vast income that permits you to be knocking the lower classes at this time if day. The idea that everybody that inhabits Littlemoor sits comfortably on tax funded state handouts is a myth. Times are hard and nobody can resist a free or cheap meal no matter where it has come from. It certainly isn't pretty and it may not be pleasant but nature very rarely is. We are omnivores after all. The article doesn't mention wether the animals were dispatched compassionately, only that the hunters field dressing and butchery skills leave a lot to be desired. Making a mess of a carcas post mortem, whilst inconsiderate, is hardly inhumane. Animals are slaughtered in their tens, maybe even hundreds, of thousands worldwide each and every day and the majority of people allow this to happen unhindered and even support it through their purchasing of supermarket meat and whilst I personally disagree with the slaughter of young animals, sucking pigs are slaughtered at between 2 and 6 weeks of age and veal calves, not much older. I fail to see how, apart from a legal aspect, this is any different. There are many people on Littlemoor, and the whole of Weymouth, that live below, on or just above the bread line. These are not all career benefit claimants. Some just weren't gifted the potential to leave school with a string of qualifications and now struggle on 48 hour a week jobs that pay barely in excess of the national minimum wage. Without poaching or the black market many of these people would not be able to put meat into the mouths of their children. It's the same the country over- shopping bills are rising, fuel prices are increasing and housing costs are going through the roof, but wages aren't even following inflation and the government has slashed the amount of tax credits it gives to poor families.  Don't judge these people until you know all the facts.
What a disgraceful and pitiful attempt at tying to justify completely unnecessary cruelty to animals who have just as much right to share this overcrowded planet with us.
The blah blah blah remove the chip on my shoulder holy than thou rot doesn’t wash son! .....the poor have to eat...... socialist crud is quite frankly nauseating. How on earth do you sleep at night believing in such brainwashed propaganda?
It is infuriating when ridiculous comparisons are made between a struggling low income family living in the UK with access to modern comforts such as heating, water, clean sanitation, free, welfare income support, food banks, free health and dentist treatment etc......
You clearly have no concept of the definition of ‘poverty’, I suggest you wake up and experience life properly by visiting developing countries like India or Africa where the malnourished die every minute. Get some real experience before preaching from your ivory tower!
I have a very good conception of the term poverty. I witnessed it first hand during my time in the forces and in each country I thanked my lucky stars that I was fortunate enough to hail from a civilised society. I also noticed that many people from these parts of the world hunted wild game without bigoted snobbery being thrown at them by the local rag. Why you felt the need to add quotation marks to the word poverty is beyond me considering that I didn't use it in my original post.
I think it is you, sir, that has been brainwashed by Tory propeganda of you believe that the poor are handed all of those things by the state. If low income families receive welfare handouts, food from food banks and free dental treatment can you please point me in the direction of where I can sign up?
You can try and hide your bigotry behind your weak "unnecessary cruelty to animals" arguement but either I'm missing something or the original article didn't mention it. You have no way to tell as to how these animals were killed. Almost all venison traded in the UK dies at the end of a gun and you have no reason to believe these animals were slaughtered any differently.
Well, except the headlines hacked to death....
[quote][p][bold]A Little More[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A Little More[/bold] wrote: "Benefit scroungers", "scum" and "pikies". You people make yourselves look very intellectual sitting behind your computer screens on your nice salaries or pensions or whatever other vast income that permits you to be knocking the lower classes at this time if day. The idea that everybody that inhabits Littlemoor sits comfortably on tax funded state handouts is a myth. Times are hard and nobody can resist a free or cheap meal no matter where it has come from. It certainly isn't pretty and it may not be pleasant but nature very rarely is. We are omnivores after all. The article doesn't mention wether the animals were dispatched compassionately, only that the hunters field dressing and butchery skills leave a lot to be desired. Making a mess of a carcas post mortem, whilst inconsiderate, is hardly inhumane. Animals are slaughtered in their tens, maybe even hundreds, of thousands worldwide each and every day and the majority of people allow this to happen unhindered and even support it through their purchasing of supermarket meat and whilst I personally disagree with the slaughter of young animals, sucking pigs are slaughtered at between 2 and 6 weeks of age and veal calves, not much older. I fail to see how, apart from a legal aspect, this is any different. There are many people on Littlemoor, and the whole of Weymouth, that live below, on or just above the bread line. These are not all career benefit claimants. Some just weren't gifted the potential to leave school with a string of qualifications and now struggle on 48 hour a week jobs that pay barely in excess of the national minimum wage. Without poaching or the black market many of these people would not be able to put meat into the mouths of their children. It's the same the country over- shopping bills are rising, fuel prices are increasing and housing costs are going through the roof, but wages aren't even following inflation and the government has slashed the amount of tax credits it gives to poor families.  Don't judge these people until you know all the facts.[/p][/quote]What a disgraceful and pitiful attempt at tying to justify completely unnecessary cruelty to animals who have just as much right to share this overcrowded planet with us. The blah blah blah remove the chip on my shoulder holy than thou rot doesn’t wash son! .....the poor have to eat...... socialist crud is quite frankly nauseating. How on earth do you sleep at night believing in such brainwashed propaganda? It is infuriating when ridiculous comparisons are made between a struggling low income family living in the UK with access to modern comforts such as heating, water, clean sanitation, free, welfare income support, food banks, free health and dentist treatment etc...... You clearly have no concept of the definition of ‘poverty’, I suggest you wake up and experience life properly by visiting developing countries like India or Africa where the malnourished die every minute. Get some real experience before preaching from your ivory tower![/p][/quote]I have a very good conception of the term poverty. I witnessed it first hand during my time in the forces and in each country I thanked my lucky stars that I was fortunate enough to hail from a civilised society. I also noticed that many people from these parts of the world hunted wild game without bigoted snobbery being thrown at them by the local rag. Why you felt the need to add quotation marks to the word poverty is beyond me considering that I didn't use it in my original post. I think it is you, sir, that has been brainwashed by Tory propeganda of you believe that the poor are handed all of those things by the state. If low income families receive welfare handouts, food from food banks and free dental treatment can you please point me in the direction of where I can sign up? You can try and hide your bigotry behind your weak "unnecessary cruelty to animals" arguement but either I'm missing something or the original article didn't mention it. You have no way to tell as to how these animals were killed. Almost all venison traded in the UK dies at the end of a gun and you have no reason to believe these animals were slaughtered any differently.[/p][/quote]Well, except the headlines hacked to death.... maximan
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4:36pm Tue 30 Oct 12

A Little More says...

maximan wrote:
A Little More wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
A Little More wrote:
"Benefit scroungers", "scum" and "pikies". You people make yourselves look very intellectual sitting behind your computer screens on your nice salaries or pensions or whatever other vast income that permits you to be knocking the lower classes at this time if day. The idea that everybody that inhabits Littlemoor sits comfortably on tax funded state handouts is a myth. Times are hard and nobody can resist a free or cheap meal no matter where it has come from. It certainly isn't pretty and it may not be pleasant but nature very rarely is. We are omnivores after all. The article doesn't mention wether the animals were dispatched compassionately, only that the hunters field dressing and butchery skills leave a lot to be desired. Making a mess of a carcas post mortem, whilst inconsiderate, is hardly inhumane. Animals are slaughtered in their tens, maybe even hundreds, of thousands worldwide each and every day and the majority of people allow this to happen unhindered and even support it through their purchasing of supermarket meat and whilst I personally disagree with the slaughter of young animals, sucking pigs are slaughtered at between 2 and 6 weeks of age and veal calves, not much older. I fail to see how, apart from a legal aspect, this is any different. There are many people on Littlemoor, and the whole of Weymouth, that live below, on or just above the bread line. These are not all career benefit claimants. Some just weren't gifted the potential to leave school with a string of qualifications and now struggle on 48 hour a week jobs that pay barely in excess of the national minimum wage. Without poaching or the black market many of these people would not be able to put meat into the mouths of their children. It's the same the country over- shopping bills are rising, fuel prices are increasing and housing costs are going through the roof, but wages aren't even following inflation and the government has slashed the amount of tax credits it gives to poor families.  Don't judge these people until you know all the facts.
What a disgraceful and pitiful attempt at tying to justify completely unnecessary cruelty to animals who have just as much right to share this overcrowded planet with us.
The blah blah blah remove the chip on my shoulder holy than thou rot doesn’t wash son! .....the poor have to eat...... socialist crud is quite frankly nauseating. How on earth do you sleep at night believing in such brainwashed propaganda?
It is infuriating when ridiculous comparisons are made between a struggling low income family living in the UK with access to modern comforts such as heating, water, clean sanitation, free, welfare income support, food banks, free health and dentist treatment etc......
You clearly have no concept of the definition of ‘poverty’, I suggest you wake up and experience life properly by visiting developing countries like India or Africa where the malnourished die every minute. Get some real experience before preaching from your ivory tower!
I have a very good conception of the term poverty. I witnessed it first hand during my time in the forces and in each country I thanked my lucky stars that I was fortunate enough to hail from a civilised society. I also noticed that many people from these parts of the world hunted wild game without bigoted snobbery being thrown at them by the local rag. Why you felt the need to add quotation marks to the word poverty is beyond me considering that I didn't use it in my original post.
I think it is you, sir, that has been brainwashed by Tory propeganda of you believe that the poor are handed all of those things by the state. If low income families receive welfare handouts, food from food banks and free dental treatment can you please point me in the direction of where I can sign up?
You can try and hide your bigotry behind your weak "unnecessary cruelty to animals" arguement but either I'm missing something or the original article didn't mention it. You have no way to tell as to how these animals were killed. Almost all venison traded in the UK dies at the end of a gun and you have no reason to believe these animals were slaughtered any differently.
Well, except the headlines hacked to death....
Sorry, i hadn't actually read the article in the paper, just on the site here. I'm sure it's just another case of echo sensationalism and the cause of death could not be established from 2 mangled carcasses. I, for one, can't see anybody going to the trouble of capturing 2 deer just to hack them to death.
[quote][p][bold]maximan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A Little More[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A Little More[/bold] wrote: "Benefit scroungers", "scum" and "pikies". You people make yourselves look very intellectual sitting behind your computer screens on your nice salaries or pensions or whatever other vast income that permits you to be knocking the lower classes at this time if day. The idea that everybody that inhabits Littlemoor sits comfortably on tax funded state handouts is a myth. Times are hard and nobody can resist a free or cheap meal no matter where it has come from. It certainly isn't pretty and it may not be pleasant but nature very rarely is. We are omnivores after all. The article doesn't mention wether the animals were dispatched compassionately, only that the hunters field dressing and butchery skills leave a lot to be desired. Making a mess of a carcas post mortem, whilst inconsiderate, is hardly inhumane. Animals are slaughtered in their tens, maybe even hundreds, of thousands worldwide each and every day and the majority of people allow this to happen unhindered and even support it through their purchasing of supermarket meat and whilst I personally disagree with the slaughter of young animals, sucking pigs are slaughtered at between 2 and 6 weeks of age and veal calves, not much older. I fail to see how, apart from a legal aspect, this is any different. There are many people on Littlemoor, and the whole of Weymouth, that live below, on or just above the bread line. These are not all career benefit claimants. Some just weren't gifted the potential to leave school with a string of qualifications and now struggle on 48 hour a week jobs that pay barely in excess of the national minimum wage. Without poaching or the black market many of these people would not be able to put meat into the mouths of their children. It's the same the country over- shopping bills are rising, fuel prices are increasing and housing costs are going through the roof, but wages aren't even following inflation and the government has slashed the amount of tax credits it gives to poor families.  Don't judge these people until you know all the facts.[/p][/quote]What a disgraceful and pitiful attempt at tying to justify completely unnecessary cruelty to animals who have just as much right to share this overcrowded planet with us. The blah blah blah remove the chip on my shoulder holy than thou rot doesn’t wash son! .....the poor have to eat...... socialist crud is quite frankly nauseating. How on earth do you sleep at night believing in such brainwashed propaganda? It is infuriating when ridiculous comparisons are made between a struggling low income family living in the UK with access to modern comforts such as heating, water, clean sanitation, free, welfare income support, food banks, free health and dentist treatment etc...... You clearly have no concept of the definition of ‘poverty’, I suggest you wake up and experience life properly by visiting developing countries like India or Africa where the malnourished die every minute. Get some real experience before preaching from your ivory tower![/p][/quote]I have a very good conception of the term poverty. I witnessed it first hand during my time in the forces and in each country I thanked my lucky stars that I was fortunate enough to hail from a civilised society. I also noticed that many people from these parts of the world hunted wild game without bigoted snobbery being thrown at them by the local rag. Why you felt the need to add quotation marks to the word poverty is beyond me considering that I didn't use it in my original post. I think it is you, sir, that has been brainwashed by Tory propeganda of you believe that the poor are handed all of those things by the state. If low income families receive welfare handouts, food from food banks and free dental treatment can you please point me in the direction of where I can sign up? You can try and hide your bigotry behind your weak "unnecessary cruelty to animals" arguement but either I'm missing something or the original article didn't mention it. You have no way to tell as to how these animals were killed. Almost all venison traded in the UK dies at the end of a gun and you have no reason to believe these animals were slaughtered any differently.[/p][/quote]Well, except the headlines hacked to death....[/p][/quote]Sorry, i hadn't actually read the article in the paper, just on the site here. I'm sure it's just another case of echo sensationalism and the cause of death could not be established from 2 mangled carcasses. I, for one, can't see anybody going to the trouble of capturing 2 deer just to hack them to death. A Little More
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5:48pm Tue 30 Oct 12

JoeyJo says...

UNDER the Deer Act, it is an offence to poach game without a licence.

It is also an offence to dispose of Category Two waste – such as the deer remains – on land with open access as it is a hazard to the public.

The Animal By-Products (Enforcement) (England) Regulations 2011 states that animal waste not intended for human consumption must be disposed of properly.


Walkers discover carcasses of baby deer and its mother in Weymouth meadow

10:00am Tuesday 30th October 2012 in News By Samantha Harman

GRIM FIND: Terry Butcher discovered the bodies of a baby roe deer and its mother in fields off Louviers Road at Littlemoor GRIM FIND: Terry Butcher discovered the bodies of a baby roe deer and its mother in fields off Louviers Road at Littlemoor

GRIM FIND: Terry Butcher discovered the bodies of a baby roe deer and its mother in fields off Louviers Road at Littlemoor
LOCATION:The Fields, Louviers Road, Littlemoor

WALKERS were sickened to discover the carcasses of a baby deer and its mother killed in a popular meadow in Weymouth.

The fawn could have been no more than two weeks old, those who came across the gruesome scene said. The remains were found at the top of Dorset Wildlife Trust land at Lorton Meadows, near Littlemoor.

It is believed poachers were responsible for the attack.

Terry Butcher, who made the grisly discovery, said: “It’s happening a lot.

“Nobody seems to know who it is, the carcases just appear.

“It made me feel sick when I saw it. And it was in such a position that anybody could walk up there and see it in full view. The baby couldn’t have been more than two weeks old.

“It’s a real shame because a lot of people go over there and love to see the animals running around.”

The animals had been hacked to pieces and remains left at the scene.

Dog owner Sue Bascombe also came across the scene. She was waiting for police, as her car had been vandalised, when her dog found them in the grass.

She said: “It was disgusting.

“It made me feel so sick. I can’t believe someone could do that.

“The baby’s head can’t have been bigger than my fist.
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“It was nothing but a couple of weeks old. They’re so beautiful when you see them up there running about.”

A Dorset Police spokesman said they had asked Dorset County Council to remove the remains.

Sue added: “The police need to get some patrols out there.

“This is not just happening once in a blue moon, this is happening all the time.

“And I can’t believe people are buying the meat. If these poachers didn’t have any custom, they wouldn’t be doing it.”

Witnesses also described seeing bin bags containing entrails left near to the scene.

It is illegal to poach on the land.

It is also illegal not to dispose of animal waste properly.

Ward councillor for Littlemoor Mark Tewkesbury said: “We’re not pleased that this is happening and we will be working with Dorset Wildlife Trust and other organisations to see what we can do to stop it.”

If you spot poached animals at Lorton Meadows, please call the Conservation Centre on 01305 816546 and Dorset Police on 101.

If you catch poachers in the act on the land, call Dorset Police using the emergency number.

Conservation Officers ‘Saddened’ By Horror Find

UNDER the Deer Act, it is an offence to poach game without a licence.

It is also an offence to dispose of Category Two waste – such as the deer remains – on land with open access as it is a hazard to the public.

The Animal By-Products (Enforcement) (England) Regulations 2011 states that animal waste not intended for human consumption must be disposed of properly.

Sam Dallimore, Dorset Wildlife Trust community conservation officer, said: “Dorset Wildlife Trust staff were saddened to learn that deer carcasses had been dumped on our popular nature reserve at Lorton Meadows, for members of the public to find.

“The reserve is a haven for wildlife, particularly with ongoing building development in the surrounding area.

“The site is also a fantastic natural area for many local people, who enjoy walking around the reserve and watching or interacting with the wildlife on their doorsteps.

“The Wildlife Trust has not granted any licences to control deer at Lorton Meadows, as we believe the Roe Deer population on the reserve to be fairly small, and due to surrounding urban areas there are few wildlife corridors for new deer to come into the reserve.”
UNDER the Deer Act, it is an offence to poach game without a licence. It is also an offence to dispose of Category Two waste – such as the deer remains – on land with open access as it is a hazard to the public. The Animal By-Products (Enforcement) (England) Regulations 2011 states that animal waste not intended for human consumption must be disposed of properly. Walkers discover carcasses of baby deer and its mother in Weymouth meadow 10:00am Tuesday 30th October 2012 in News By Samantha Harman GRIM FIND: Terry Butcher discovered the bodies of a baby roe deer and its mother in fields off Louviers Road at Littlemoor GRIM FIND: Terry Butcher discovered the bodies of a baby roe deer and its mother in fields off Louviers Road at Littlemoor GRIM FIND: Terry Butcher discovered the bodies of a baby roe deer and its mother in fields off Louviers Road at Littlemoor LOCATION:The Fields, Louviers Road, Littlemoor WALKERS were sickened to discover the carcasses of a baby deer and its mother killed in a popular meadow in Weymouth. The fawn could have been no more than two weeks old, those who came across the gruesome scene said. The remains were found at the top of Dorset Wildlife Trust land at Lorton Meadows, near Littlemoor. It is believed poachers were responsible for the attack. Terry Butcher, who made the grisly discovery, said: “It’s happening a lot. “Nobody seems to know who it is, the carcases just appear. “It made me feel sick when I saw it. And it was in such a position that anybody could walk up there and see it in full view. The baby couldn’t have been more than two weeks old. “It’s a real shame because a lot of people go over there and love to see the animals running around.” The animals had been hacked to pieces and remains left at the scene. Dog owner Sue Bascombe also came across the scene. She was waiting for police, as her car had been vandalised, when her dog found them in the grass. She said: “It was disgusting. “It made me feel so sick. I can’t believe someone could do that. “The baby’s head can’t have been bigger than my fist. Ads by Google "Free Knitting Patterns:" Lots of free patterns and pictures like you've never seen before. KnittingParadise.com London Bus Routes You wont believe how cheap it is Book online or Ring 0207 101 5454 www.costacarservices .com/distance “It was nothing but a couple of weeks old. They’re so beautiful when you see them up there running about.” A Dorset Police spokesman said they had asked Dorset County Council to remove the remains. Sue added: “The police need to get some patrols out there. “This is not just happening once in a blue moon, this is happening all the time. “And I can’t believe people are buying the meat. If these poachers didn’t have any custom, they wouldn’t be doing it.” Witnesses also described seeing bin bags containing entrails left near to the scene. It is illegal to poach on the land. It is also illegal not to dispose of animal waste properly. Ward councillor for Littlemoor Mark Tewkesbury said: “We’re not pleased that this is happening and we will be working with Dorset Wildlife Trust and other organisations to see what we can do to stop it.” If you spot poached animals at Lorton Meadows, please call the Conservation Centre on 01305 816546 and Dorset Police on 101. If you catch poachers in the act on the land, call Dorset Police using the emergency number. Conservation Officers ‘Saddened’ By Horror Find UNDER the Deer Act, it is an offence to poach game without a licence. It is also an offence to dispose of Category Two waste – such as the deer remains – on land with open access as it is a hazard to the public. The Animal By-Products (Enforcement) (England) Regulations 2011 states that animal waste not intended for human consumption must be disposed of properly. Sam Dallimore, Dorset Wildlife Trust community conservation officer, said: “Dorset Wildlife Trust staff were saddened to learn that deer carcasses had been dumped on our popular nature reserve at Lorton Meadows, for members of the public to find. “The reserve is a haven for wildlife, particularly with ongoing building development in the surrounding area. “The site is also a fantastic natural area for many local people, who enjoy walking around the reserve and watching or interacting with the wildlife on their doorsteps. “The Wildlife Trust has not granted any licences to control deer at Lorton Meadows, as we believe the Roe Deer population on the reserve to be fairly small, and due to surrounding urban areas there are few wildlife corridors for new deer to come into the reserve.” JoeyJo
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5:50pm Tue 30 Oct 12

uggy12 says...

to the person who commented above it is not the echo sensationalism i can take them up there and show them another 5 bags of bits of deer that have been slaughtered in the last couple of months they are not killed for food for the starving they are hunted for meat to sell and make money
to the person who commented above it is not the echo sensationalism i can take them up there and show them another 5 bags of bits of deer that have been slaughtered in the last couple of months they are not killed for food for the starving they are hunted for meat to sell and make money uggy12
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6:12pm Tue 30 Oct 12

cj07589 says...

A Little More wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
A Little More wrote:
"Benefit scroungers", "scum" and "pikies". You people make yourselves look very intellectual sitting behind your computer screens on your nice salaries or pensions or whatever other vast income that permits you to be knocking the lower classes at this time if day. The idea that everybody that inhabits Littlemoor sits comfortably on tax funded state handouts is a myth. Times are hard and nobody can resist a free or cheap meal no matter where it has come from. It certainly isn't pretty and it may not be pleasant but nature very rarely is. We are omnivores after all. The article doesn't mention wether the animals were dispatched compassionately, only that the hunters field dressing and butchery skills leave a lot to be desired. Making a mess of a carcas post mortem, whilst inconsiderate, is hardly inhumane. Animals are slaughtered in their tens, maybe even hundreds, of thousands worldwide each and every day and the majority of people allow this to happen unhindered and even support it through their purchasing of supermarket meat and whilst I personally disagree with the slaughter of young animals, sucking pigs are slaughtered at between 2 and 6 weeks of age and veal calves, not much older. I fail to see how, apart from a legal aspect, this is any different. There are many people on Littlemoor, and the whole of Weymouth, that live below, on or just above the bread line. These are not all career benefit claimants. Some just weren't gifted the potential to leave school with a string of qualifications and now struggle on 48 hour a week jobs that pay barely in excess of the national minimum wage. Without poaching or the black market many of these people would not be able to put meat into the mouths of their children. It's the same the country over- shopping bills are rising, fuel prices are increasing and housing costs are going through the roof, but wages aren't even following inflation and the government has slashed the amount of tax credits it gives to poor families.  Don't judge these people until you know all the facts.
What a disgraceful and pitiful attempt at tying to justify completely unnecessary cruelty to animals who have just as much right to share this overcrowded planet with us.
The blah blah blah remove the chip on my shoulder holy than thou rot doesn’t wash son! .....the poor have to eat...... socialist crud is quite frankly nauseating. How on earth do you sleep at night believing in such brainwashed propaganda?
It is infuriating when ridiculous comparisons are made between a struggling low income family living in the UK with access to modern comforts such as heating, water, clean sanitation, free, welfare income support, food banks, free health and dentist treatment etc......
You clearly have no concept of the definition of ‘poverty’, I suggest you wake up and experience life properly by visiting developing countries like India or Africa where the malnourished die every minute. Get some real experience before preaching from your ivory tower!
I have a very good conception of the term poverty. I witnessed it first hand during my time in the forces and in each country I thanked my lucky stars that I was fortunate enough to hail from a civilised society. I also noticed that many people from these parts of the world hunted wild game without bigoted snobbery being thrown at them by the local rag. Why you felt the need to add quotation marks to the word poverty is beyond me considering that I didn't use it in my original post.
I think it is you, sir, that has been brainwashed by Tory propeganda of you believe that the poor are handed all of those things by the state. If low income families receive welfare handouts, food from food banks and free dental treatment can you please point me in the direction of where I can sign up?
You can try and hide your bigotry behind your weak "unnecessary cruelty to animals" arguement but either I'm missing something or the original article didn't mention it. You have no way to tell as to how these animals were killed. Almost all venison traded in the UK dies at the end of a gun and you have no reason to believe these animals were slaughtered any differently.
Gosh standards of the armed forces are clearly slipping then. I would have expected someone who is prepared to scarfice their life in the name of our Queen would be at least diligent in laws of our civilised land they serving in particular the rules governing poaching on public land. I simply disagree that according to your flawed argument being poor somehow gives entitlement to kill any wild animals for fun, food or fiscal gain.
[quote][p][bold]A Little More[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A Little More[/bold] wrote: "Benefit scroungers", "scum" and "pikies". You people make yourselves look very intellectual sitting behind your computer screens on your nice salaries or pensions or whatever other vast income that permits you to be knocking the lower classes at this time if day. The idea that everybody that inhabits Littlemoor sits comfortably on tax funded state handouts is a myth. Times are hard and nobody can resist a free or cheap meal no matter where it has come from. It certainly isn't pretty and it may not be pleasant but nature very rarely is. We are omnivores after all. The article doesn't mention wether the animals were dispatched compassionately, only that the hunters field dressing and butchery skills leave a lot to be desired. Making a mess of a carcas post mortem, whilst inconsiderate, is hardly inhumane. Animals are slaughtered in their tens, maybe even hundreds, of thousands worldwide each and every day and the majority of people allow this to happen unhindered and even support it through their purchasing of supermarket meat and whilst I personally disagree with the slaughter of young animals, sucking pigs are slaughtered at between 2 and 6 weeks of age and veal calves, not much older. I fail to see how, apart from a legal aspect, this is any different. There are many people on Littlemoor, and the whole of Weymouth, that live below, on or just above the bread line. These are not all career benefit claimants. Some just weren't gifted the potential to leave school with a string of qualifications and now struggle on 48 hour a week jobs that pay barely in excess of the national minimum wage. Without poaching or the black market many of these people would not be able to put meat into the mouths of their children. It's the same the country over- shopping bills are rising, fuel prices are increasing and housing costs are going through the roof, but wages aren't even following inflation and the government has slashed the amount of tax credits it gives to poor families.  Don't judge these people until you know all the facts.[/p][/quote]What a disgraceful and pitiful attempt at tying to justify completely unnecessary cruelty to animals who have just as much right to share this overcrowded planet with us. The blah blah blah remove the chip on my shoulder holy than thou rot doesn’t wash son! .....the poor have to eat...... socialist crud is quite frankly nauseating. How on earth do you sleep at night believing in such brainwashed propaganda? It is infuriating when ridiculous comparisons are made between a struggling low income family living in the UK with access to modern comforts such as heating, water, clean sanitation, free, welfare income support, food banks, free health and dentist treatment etc...... You clearly have no concept of the definition of ‘poverty’, I suggest you wake up and experience life properly by visiting developing countries like India or Africa where the malnourished die every minute. Get some real experience before preaching from your ivory tower![/p][/quote]I have a very good conception of the term poverty. I witnessed it first hand during my time in the forces and in each country I thanked my lucky stars that I was fortunate enough to hail from a civilised society. I also noticed that many people from these parts of the world hunted wild game without bigoted snobbery being thrown at them by the local rag. Why you felt the need to add quotation marks to the word poverty is beyond me considering that I didn't use it in my original post. I think it is you, sir, that has been brainwashed by Tory propeganda of you believe that the poor are handed all of those things by the state. If low income families receive welfare handouts, food from food banks and free dental treatment can you please point me in the direction of where I can sign up? You can try and hide your bigotry behind your weak "unnecessary cruelty to animals" arguement but either I'm missing something or the original article didn't mention it. You have no way to tell as to how these animals were killed. Almost all venison traded in the UK dies at the end of a gun and you have no reason to believe these animals were slaughtered any differently.[/p][/quote]Gosh standards of the armed forces are clearly slipping then. I would have expected someone who is prepared to scarfice their life in the name of our Queen would be at least diligent in laws of our civilised land they serving in particular the rules governing poaching on public land. I simply disagree that according to your flawed argument being poor somehow gives entitlement to kill any wild animals for fun, food or fiscal gain. cj07589
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6:20pm Tue 30 Oct 12

Cats4ever says...

I too came across these 2 Deer,such a sickening sad sight :o( Dumped in the grass,just under the barrier,off slope by cycle track,many children would have been able to see these poor butchered animals :o( I dont buy that rubbish,people do it,because they are on the breadline ! Yes,there are many people on benefits,try working a low paid job,where you have to pay full price for everything ! Please do not print my name and address.
I too came across these 2 Deer,such a sickening sad sight :o( Dumped in the grass,just under the barrier,off slope by cycle track,many children would have been able to see these poor butchered animals :o( I dont buy that rubbish,people do it,because they are on the breadline ! Yes,there are many people on benefits,try working a low paid job,where you have to pay full price for everything ! Please do not print my name and address. Cats4ever
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6:46pm Tue 30 Oct 12

A Little More says...

Cats4ever wrote:
I too came across these 2 Deer,such a sickening sad sight :o( Dumped in the grass,just under the barrier,off slope by cycle track,many children would have been able to see these poor butchered animals :o( I dont buy that rubbish,people do it,because they are on the breadline ! Yes,there are many people on benefits,try working a low paid job,where you have to pay full price for everything ! Please do not print my name and address.
Children should be more aware of where their food comes from and the consequences of the sausage that ends up on their platter. I think we as a society have distanced ourselves too much from these things. Out of sight, out of mind. I digress; thats a story for another day.

This food ends up on the table of the poor man. Whether he poaches it himself or buys it from a poacher. Contrary to what appears to be popular belief- the market for badly butchered venison is not all that lucrative.

Also cj07589;
I'm not arguing that it is acceptable to poach for fiscal gain or fun but once upon a time I was willing to give my life and take the lives of other human beings to provide a crust for my family. It is for this reason that I wouldn't be adverse to taking the lives of 2 wild animals should my circumstances require me to do so...
[quote][p][bold]Cats4ever[/bold] wrote: I too came across these 2 Deer,such a sickening sad sight :o( Dumped in the grass,just under the barrier,off slope by cycle track,many children would have been able to see these poor butchered animals :o( I dont buy that rubbish,people do it,because they are on the breadline ! Yes,there are many people on benefits,try working a low paid job,where you have to pay full price for everything ! Please do not print my name and address.[/p][/quote]Children should be more aware of where their food comes from and the consequences of the sausage that ends up on their platter. I think we as a society have distanced ourselves too much from these things. Out of sight, out of mind. I digress; thats a story for another day. This food ends up on the table of the poor man. Whether he poaches it himself or buys it from a poacher. Contrary to what appears to be popular belief- the market for badly butchered venison is not all that lucrative. Also cj07589; I'm not arguing that it is acceptable to poach for fiscal gain or fun but once upon a time I was willing to give my life and take the lives of other human beings to provide a crust for my family. It is for this reason that I wouldn't be adverse to taking the lives of 2 wild animals should my circumstances require me to do so... A Little More
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6:46pm Tue 30 Oct 12

A Little More says...

Cats4ever wrote:
I too came across these 2 Deer,such a sickening sad sight :o( Dumped in the grass,just under the barrier,off slope by cycle track,many children would have been able to see these poor butchered animals :o( I dont buy that rubbish,people do it,because they are on the breadline ! Yes,there are many people on benefits,try working a low paid job,where you have to pay full price for everything ! Please do not print my name and address.
Children should be more aware of where their food comes from and the consequences of the sausage that ends up on their platter. I think we as a society have distanced ourselves too much from these things. Out of sight, out of mind. I digress; thats a story for another day.

This food ends up on the table of the poor man. Whether he poaches it himself or buys it from a poacher. Contrary to what appears to be popular belief- the market for badly butchered venison is not all that lucrative.

Also cj07589;
I'm not arguing that it is acceptable to poach for fiscal gain or fun but once upon a time I was willing to give my life and take the lives of other human beings to provide a crust for my family. It is for this reason that I wouldn't be adverse to taking the lives of 2 wild animals should my circumstances require me to do so...
[quote][p][bold]Cats4ever[/bold] wrote: I too came across these 2 Deer,such a sickening sad sight :o( Dumped in the grass,just under the barrier,off slope by cycle track,many children would have been able to see these poor butchered animals :o( I dont buy that rubbish,people do it,because they are on the breadline ! Yes,there are many people on benefits,try working a low paid job,where you have to pay full price for everything ! Please do not print my name and address.[/p][/quote]Children should be more aware of where their food comes from and the consequences of the sausage that ends up on their platter. I think we as a society have distanced ourselves too much from these things. Out of sight, out of mind. I digress; thats a story for another day. This food ends up on the table of the poor man. Whether he poaches it himself or buys it from a poacher. Contrary to what appears to be popular belief- the market for badly butchered venison is not all that lucrative. Also cj07589; I'm not arguing that it is acceptable to poach for fiscal gain or fun but once upon a time I was willing to give my life and take the lives of other human beings to provide a crust for my family. It is for this reason that I wouldn't be adverse to taking the lives of 2 wild animals should my circumstances require me to do so... A Little More
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6:55pm Tue 30 Oct 12

JoeyJo says...

Sorry about the overlong post above. Copy and paste went wrong. I intended only to quote the statements about the illegality of the killing.

Yes, children should be aware of where their food comes from, i.e. farmed animals killed, on the whole, humanely. And most venison does comes from farms.
Sorry about the overlong post above. Copy and paste went wrong. I intended only to quote the statements about the illegality of the killing. Yes, children should be aware of where their food comes from, i.e. farmed animals killed, on the whole, humanely. And most venison does comes from farms. JoeyJo
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6:57pm Tue 30 Oct 12

cj07589 says...

I can't believe some think it's ok to roll up to a public venue albeit a nature reserve and needlessly slaughter a harmless doe and it's young off spring. I've lived on a farm for a number of years and no normal person I know would think this callous disgraceful behaviour wound be acceptable. It worries me that so many humans show such low regards for other citizens and contemp for the welfare of animals no matter what the species. No surprises that the tiger and other species faces extinction soon when such disturbing traits and behaviours are demostrated in an apparently civialised country.
I can't believe some think it's ok to roll up to a public venue albeit a nature reserve and needlessly slaughter a harmless doe and it's young off spring. I've lived on a farm for a number of years and no normal person I know would think this callous disgraceful behaviour wound be acceptable. It worries me that so many humans show such low regards for other citizens and contemp for the welfare of animals no matter what the species. No surprises that the tiger and other species faces extinction soon when such disturbing traits and behaviours are demostrated in an apparently civialised country. cj07589
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7:04pm Tue 30 Oct 12

rjimmer says...

This must be a very old story if the fawn was no more than 2 weeks old, as they are born in May.
This must be a very old story if the fawn was no more than 2 weeks old, as they are born in May. rjimmer
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7:14pm Tue 30 Oct 12

Harpya Orkinus says...

There's REALLY no excuse for we herbivores to murder another person - who ALSO wants to live - and eat them. For we aberrant chimps, eating meat is inexcusable backwardness, having its origins in the Stone Age. Eating meat somehow implies that a Deer, Goose, Turkey, Duck or domestic "species" somehow has fewer personhood rights than we do - and THAT is quite a risky assumption to make, since somewhere, sometime, people with greater compassion than these dregs have will be quite happy to demonstrate to them just what it's like to have NO personhood rights. As Leonardo da Vinci said: "The day will come when men will view the murder of Animals the same way they view the murder of men ...."
There's REALLY no excuse for we herbivores to murder another person - who ALSO wants to live - and eat them. For we aberrant chimps, eating meat is inexcusable backwardness, having its origins in the Stone Age. Eating meat somehow implies that a Deer, Goose, Turkey, Duck or domestic "species" somehow has fewer personhood rights than we do - and THAT is quite a risky assumption to make, since somewhere, sometime, people with greater compassion than these dregs have will be quite happy to demonstrate to them just what it's like to have NO personhood rights. As Leonardo da Vinci said: "The day will come when men will view the murder of Animals the same way they view the murder of men ...." Harpya Orkinus
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7:22pm Tue 30 Oct 12

PossumGoose says...

“It is illegal to poach on the land.”
Well, thank you Echo, we would never have thought this (the clue is in the word “poach”).

“Under the Deer Act, it is an offence to poach game without a licence”
As opposed to poaching with a licence??

Definition of “poach” - Poaching is the illegal taking of wild plants or animals.
“It is illegal to poach on the land.” Well, thank you Echo, we would never have thought this (the clue is in the word “poach”). “Under the Deer Act, it is an offence to poach game without a licence” As opposed to poaching with a licence?? Definition of “poach” - Poaching is the illegal taking of wild plants or animals. PossumGoose
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7:22pm Tue 30 Oct 12

A.Hollis says...

Venison should find a place on your table because deer farms and parks are meeting the taste criteria of people today, and offering them a tender delicious meat with proven health benefits.

VENISON – THE HEALTHY CHOICE

Venison produced in farms and parks is:

LOWER IN FAT THAN A SKINNED BREAST OF CHICKEN
HIGHER IN IRON THAN ANY OTHER RED MEAT
CONTAINS OMEGA 3 USUALLY FOUND IN FISH
LOW IN CHOLESTEROL
NO ANTIBIOTICS OR GROWTH PROMOTERS
This venison needs no marinating and can be enjoyed for family favourites such as casseroles, roasts, stir fries and burgers. For your dinner party, special occasions and holidays, there is nothing more festive than venison. Imaginative cooks and chefs worldwide have used it in signature dishes that will excite the palate. See our shop section for recipes and books to inspire you.
Venison should find a place on your table because deer farms and parks are meeting the taste criteria of people today, and offering them a tender delicious meat with proven health benefits. VENISON – THE HEALTHY CHOICE Venison produced in farms and parks is: LOWER IN FAT THAN A SKINNED BREAST OF CHICKEN HIGHER IN IRON THAN ANY OTHER RED MEAT CONTAINS OMEGA 3 USUALLY FOUND IN FISH LOW IN CHOLESTEROL NO ANTIBIOTICS OR GROWTH PROMOTERS This venison needs no marinating and can be enjoyed for family favourites such as casseroles, roasts, stir fries and burgers. For your dinner party, special occasions and holidays, there is nothing more festive than venison. Imaginative cooks and chefs worldwide have used it in signature dishes that will excite the palate. See our shop section for recipes and books to inspire you. A.Hollis
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7:23pm Tue 30 Oct 12

A.Hollis says...

Copied from the British deer farm association.
Copied from the British deer farm association. A.Hollis
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8:37pm Tue 30 Oct 12

Get a grip says...

A Little More wrote:
"Benefit scroungers", "scum" and "pikies". You people make yourselves look very intellectual sitting behind your computer screens on your nice salaries or pensions or whatever other vast income that permits you to be knocking the lower classes at this time if day. The idea that everybody that inhabits Littlemoor sits comfortably on tax funded state handouts is a myth. Times are hard and nobody can resist a free or cheap meal no matter where it has come from. It certainly isn't pretty and it may not be pleasant but nature very rarely is. We are omnivores after all. The article doesn't mention wether the animals were dispatched compassionately, only that the hunters field dressing and butchery skills leave a lot to be desired. Making a mess of a carcas post mortem, whilst inconsiderate, is hardly inhumane. Animals are slaughtered in their tens, maybe even hundreds, of thousands worldwide each and every day and the majority of people allow this to happen unhindered and even support it through their purchasing of supermarket meat and whilst I personally disagree with the slaughter of young animals, sucking pigs are slaughtered at between 2 and 6 weeks of age and veal calves, not much older. I fail to see how, apart from a legal aspect, this is any different.
There are many people on Littlemoor, and the whole of Weymouth, that live below, on or just above the bread line. These are not all career benefit claimants. Some just weren't gifted the potential to leave school with a string of qualifications and now struggle on 48 hour a week jobs that pay barely in excess of the national minimum wage. Without poaching or the black market many of these people would not be able to put meat into the mouths of their children. It's the same the country over- shopping bills are rising, fuel prices are increasing and housing costs are going through the roof, but wages aren't even following inflation and the government has slashed the amount of tax credits it gives to poor families. 
Don't judge these people until you know all the facts.
I know times are hard, only last month I had to let some staff go.
[quote][p][bold]A Little More[/bold] wrote: "Benefit scroungers", "scum" and "pikies". You people make yourselves look very intellectual sitting behind your computer screens on your nice salaries or pensions or whatever other vast income that permits you to be knocking the lower classes at this time if day. The idea that everybody that inhabits Littlemoor sits comfortably on tax funded state handouts is a myth. Times are hard and nobody can resist a free or cheap meal no matter where it has come from. It certainly isn't pretty and it may not be pleasant but nature very rarely is. We are omnivores after all. The article doesn't mention wether the animals were dispatched compassionately, only that the hunters field dressing and butchery skills leave a lot to be desired. Making a mess of a carcas post mortem, whilst inconsiderate, is hardly inhumane. Animals are slaughtered in their tens, maybe even hundreds, of thousands worldwide each and every day and the majority of people allow this to happen unhindered and even support it through their purchasing of supermarket meat and whilst I personally disagree with the slaughter of young animals, sucking pigs are slaughtered at between 2 and 6 weeks of age and veal calves, not much older. I fail to see how, apart from a legal aspect, this is any different. There are many people on Littlemoor, and the whole of Weymouth, that live below, on or just above the bread line. These are not all career benefit claimants. Some just weren't gifted the potential to leave school with a string of qualifications and now struggle on 48 hour a week jobs that pay barely in excess of the national minimum wage. Without poaching or the black market many of these people would not be able to put meat into the mouths of their children. It's the same the country over- shopping bills are rising, fuel prices are increasing and housing costs are going through the roof, but wages aren't even following inflation and the government has slashed the amount of tax credits it gives to poor families.  Don't judge these people until you know all the facts.[/p][/quote]I know times are hard, only last month I had to let some staff go. Get a grip
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9:50pm Tue 30 Oct 12

rjimmer says...

The deer population is not being controlled and this is leading to an increase in TB in the herd. This is especially concentrated around places where deer are protected, such as the League Against Cruel Sports' reserves. Anybody being offered venison that has not been harvested by a certificated deer manager/stalker should be very wary. The word 'carcasses' is used in the article, suggesting that these were whole bodies and not just offal, so the arguments about the beasts being killed for food is flawed.
The deer population is not being controlled and this is leading to an increase in TB in the herd. This is especially concentrated around places where deer are protected, such as the League Against Cruel Sports' reserves. Anybody being offered venison that has not been harvested by a certificated deer manager/stalker should be very wary. The word 'carcasses' is used in the article, suggesting that these were whole bodies and not just offal, so the arguments about the beasts being killed for food is flawed. rjimmer
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10:45pm Tue 30 Oct 12

Harpya Orkinus says...

I wonder if anyone looking for the perps ought to be looking for lowlife degenerates with dogs such as lurchers ?? Much killing takes place across the country by such people with their lurchers, and the majority probably are in social housing. I do not dismiss ALL social housing tenants - I am one myself, and have known others who were intelligent and knowledgeable people, but all too often, such social tenants seem to have an extremely "Gyppo" outlook on life and a matching attitude to their neighbors and to their social responsibilities..
I wonder if anyone looking for the perps ought to be looking for lowlife degenerates with dogs such as lurchers ?? Much killing takes place across the country by such people with their lurchers, and the majority probably are in social housing. I do not dismiss ALL social housing tenants - I am one myself, and have known others who were intelligent and knowledgeable people, but all too often, such social tenants seem to have an extremely "Gyppo" outlook on life and a matching attitude to their neighbors and to their social responsibilities.. Harpya Orkinus
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8:10am Wed 31 Oct 12

JimmyTheWeed says...

"Mum's Been To Iceland"
"Dad's Been Up The Fields"
"Mum's Been To Iceland" "Dad's Been Up The Fields" JimmyTheWeed
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9:31am Wed 31 Oct 12

stench says...

shy talk wrote:
Yes I am one of those sitting on my pension. However I totally agree with A Little More. I suggest that ever one watch a documentary on BBC 1 tonight 10.35 pm, titled Britain's Hidden Hungry. Its about 170,000 people in Britain who relay on Britain's charity food banks to survive.
watched it, but not a good case for your argument...

That Foodbank was run by a joker! constant questioning of people using the voucher (foreign and black people). but a white man managed to con hundreds of pounds of shopping out of them. At one point he has a table full of shopping with people looking at him in shock as they are being told no.

What a joke!
[quote][p][bold]shy talk[/bold] wrote: Yes I am one of those sitting on my pension. However I totally agree with A Little More. I suggest that ever one watch a documentary on BBC 1 tonight 10.35 pm, titled Britain's Hidden Hungry. Its about 170,000 people in Britain who relay on Britain's charity food banks to survive.[/p][/quote]watched it, but not a good case for your argument... That Foodbank was run by a joker! constant questioning of people using the voucher (foreign and black people). but a white man managed to con hundreds of pounds of shopping out of them. At one point he has a table full of shopping with people looking at him in shock as they are being told no. What a joke! stench
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10:32am Wed 31 Oct 12

weydiva says...

If it was poachers why are the bodies of the deer left???? surely poachers want a good clean carcass to be able to sell the meat and take the meat home.
i think these people are just sickos wanting to see an animal suffer and be put through pain before dying. being poor has nothing to do with it!!!!!!!!!!!
in wyke men were seen encouraging deer over to then set their dogs on them to watch again that is not poachiong again the body was left after the men had 'had their fun'
They're sick evil people getting off on causing suffering simple as that
If it was poachers why are the bodies of the deer left???? surely poachers want a good clean carcass to be able to sell the meat and take the meat home. i think these people are just sickos wanting to see an animal suffer and be put through pain before dying. being poor has nothing to do with it!!!!!!!!!!! in wyke men were seen encouraging deer over to then set their dogs on them to watch again that is not poachiong again the body was left after the men had 'had their fun' They're sick evil people getting off on causing suffering simple as that weydiva
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10:47am Wed 31 Oct 12

shy talk says...

Agree Stench. Most had cars and wide screen TVs and some had pets. But could not afford to put food on the table.
Agree Stench. Most had cars and wide screen TVs and some had pets. But could not afford to put food on the table. shy talk
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10:53am Wed 31 Oct 12

stench says...

shy talk wrote:
Agree Stench. Most had cars and wide screen TVs and some had pets. But could not afford to put food on the table.
found myself getting very wound up, then actually cringing to watch when he was exposed as a con.
See the bit where the guy asks why he was given a cake as well as a table full of shopping, and the foodbank managaer says he's got a big family, kids, then correct himself and says 'kid'

I think the manager was slightly racist or a facist!

Then there was a woman who 'couldnt feed her kids', but yet had 5 dogs that all looked well fed...
[quote][p][bold]shy talk[/bold] wrote: Agree Stench. Most had cars and wide screen TVs and some had pets. But could not afford to put food on the table.[/p][/quote]found myself getting very wound up, then actually cringing to watch when he was exposed as a con. See the bit where the guy asks why he was given a cake as well as a table full of shopping, and the foodbank managaer says he's got a big family, kids, then correct himself and says 'kid' I think the manager was slightly racist or a facist! Then there was a woman who 'couldnt feed her kids', but yet had 5 dogs that all looked well fed... stench
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3:42pm Wed 31 Oct 12

niceonecyril says...

cj07589 wrote:
A Little More wrote:
"Benefit scroungers", "scum" and "pikies". You people make yourselves look very intellectual sitting behind your computer screens on your nice salaries or pensions or whatever other vast income that permits you to be knocking the lower classes at this time if day. The idea that everybody that inhabits Littlemoor sits comfortably on tax funded state handouts is a myth. Times are hard and nobody can resist a free or cheap meal no matter where it has come from. It certainly isn't pretty and it may not be pleasant but nature very rarely is. We are omnivores after all. The article doesn't mention wether the animals were dispatched compassionately, only that the hunters field dressing and butchery skills leave a lot to be desired. Making a mess of a carcas post mortem, whilst inconsiderate, is hardly inhumane. Animals are slaughtered in their tens, maybe even hundreds, of thousands worldwide each and every day and the majority of people allow this to happen unhindered and even support it through their purchasing of supermarket meat and whilst I personally disagree with the slaughter of young animals, sucking pigs are slaughtered at between 2 and 6 weeks of age and veal calves, not much older. I fail to see how, apart from a legal aspect, this is any different. There are many people on Littlemoor, and the whole of Weymouth, that live below, on or just above the bread line. These are not all career benefit claimants. Some just weren't gifted the potential to leave school with a string of qualifications and now struggle on 48 hour a week jobs that pay barely in excess of the national minimum wage. Without poaching or the black market many of these people would not be able to put meat into the mouths of their children. It's the same the country over- shopping bills are rising, fuel prices are increasing and housing costs are going through the roof, but wages aren't even following inflation and the government has slashed the amount of tax credits it gives to poor families.  Don't judge these people until you know all the facts.
What a disgraceful and pitiful attempt at tying to justify completely unnecessary cruelty to animals who have just as much right to share this overcrowded planet with us.
The blah blah blah remove the chip on my shoulder holy than thou rot doesn’t wash son! .....the poor have to eat...... socialist crud is quite frankly nauseating. How on earth do you sleep at night believing in such brainwashed propaganda?
It is infuriating when ridiculous comparisons are made between a struggling low income family living in the UK with access to modern comforts such as heating, water, clean sanitation, free, welfare income support, food banks, free health and dentist treatment etc......
You clearly have no concept of the definition of ‘poverty’, I suggest you wake up and experience life properly by visiting developing countries like India or Africa where the malnourished die every minute. Get some real experience before preaching from your ivory tower!
cj07589, you are an idiot, you have no idea what poverty is, just because you live with all those luxuries you mention, doesn't mean everybody else in the Uk does, you talk about ivory towers, well lets talk about pot-kettle-black.
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A Little More[/bold] wrote: "Benefit scroungers", "scum" and "pikies". You people make yourselves look very intellectual sitting behind your computer screens on your nice salaries or pensions or whatever other vast income that permits you to be knocking the lower classes at this time if day. The idea that everybody that inhabits Littlemoor sits comfortably on tax funded state handouts is a myth. Times are hard and nobody can resist a free or cheap meal no matter where it has come from. It certainly isn't pretty and it may not be pleasant but nature very rarely is. We are omnivores after all. The article doesn't mention wether the animals were dispatched compassionately, only that the hunters field dressing and butchery skills leave a lot to be desired. Making a mess of a carcas post mortem, whilst inconsiderate, is hardly inhumane. Animals are slaughtered in their tens, maybe even hundreds, of thousands worldwide each and every day and the majority of people allow this to happen unhindered and even support it through their purchasing of supermarket meat and whilst I personally disagree with the slaughter of young animals, sucking pigs are slaughtered at between 2 and 6 weeks of age and veal calves, not much older. I fail to see how, apart from a legal aspect, this is any different. There are many people on Littlemoor, and the whole of Weymouth, that live below, on or just above the bread line. These are not all career benefit claimants. Some just weren't gifted the potential to leave school with a string of qualifications and now struggle on 48 hour a week jobs that pay barely in excess of the national minimum wage. Without poaching or the black market many of these people would not be able to put meat into the mouths of their children. It's the same the country over- shopping bills are rising, fuel prices are increasing and housing costs are going through the roof, but wages aren't even following inflation and the government has slashed the amount of tax credits it gives to poor families.  Don't judge these people until you know all the facts.[/p][/quote]What a disgraceful and pitiful attempt at tying to justify completely unnecessary cruelty to animals who have just as much right to share this overcrowded planet with us. The blah blah blah remove the chip on my shoulder holy than thou rot doesn’t wash son! .....the poor have to eat...... socialist crud is quite frankly nauseating. How on earth do you sleep at night believing in such brainwashed propaganda? It is infuriating when ridiculous comparisons are made between a struggling low income family living in the UK with access to modern comforts such as heating, water, clean sanitation, free, welfare income support, food banks, free health and dentist treatment etc...... You clearly have no concept of the definition of ‘poverty’, I suggest you wake up and experience life properly by visiting developing countries like India or Africa where the malnourished die every minute. Get some real experience before preaching from your ivory tower![/p][/quote]cj07589, you are an idiot, you have no idea what poverty is, just because you live with all those luxuries you mention, doesn't mean everybody else in the Uk does, you talk about ivory towers, well lets talk about pot-kettle-black. niceonecyril
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6:53pm Wed 31 Oct 12

marabout says...

The United Nations defines poverty as...poverty is a denial of choices and opportunities, a violation of human dignity. It means lack of basic capacity to participate effectively in society. It means not having enough to food and clothing a family, not having a school or clinic to go to, not having the land on which to grow one’s food or a job to earn one’s living, not having access to credit. It means insecurity, powerlessness and exclusion of individuals, households and communities. It means susceptibility to violence, and it often implies living in marginal or fragile environments, without access to clean water or sanitation.

Thankfully, there is no one in the Weymouth and Portland area who suffers from poverty.
The United Nations defines poverty as...poverty is a denial of choices and opportunities, a violation of human dignity. It means lack of basic capacity to participate effectively in society. It means not having enough to food and clothing a family, not having a school or clinic to go to, not having the land on which to grow one’s food or a job to earn one’s living, not having access to credit. It means insecurity, powerlessness and exclusion of individuals, households and communities. It means susceptibility to violence, and it often implies living in marginal or fragile environments, without access to clean water or sanitation. Thankfully, there is no one in the Weymouth and Portland area who suffers from poverty. marabout
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7:08pm Wed 31 Oct 12

A Little More says...

marabout wrote:
The United Nations defines poverty as...poverty is a denial of choices and opportunities, a violation of human dignity. It means lack of basic capacity to participate effectively in society. It means not having enough to food and clothing a family, not having a school or clinic to go to, not having the land on which to grow one’s food or a job to earn one’s living, not having access to credit. It means insecurity, powerlessness and exclusion of individuals, households and communities. It means susceptibility to violence, and it often implies living in marginal or fragile environments, without access to clean water or sanitation.

Thankfully, there is no one in the Weymouth and Portland area who suffers from poverty.
Definitely nobody in Weymouth and Portland living in poverty then as they all have access to schools and clinics. There are many though that meet all the other criteria whether you want to believe it or not.
[quote][p][bold]marabout[/bold] wrote: The United Nations defines poverty as...poverty is a denial of choices and opportunities, a violation of human dignity. It means lack of basic capacity to participate effectively in society. It means not having enough to food and clothing a family, not having a school or clinic to go to, not having the land on which to grow one’s food or a job to earn one’s living, not having access to credit. It means insecurity, powerlessness and exclusion of individuals, households and communities. It means susceptibility to violence, and it often implies living in marginal or fragile environments, without access to clean water or sanitation. Thankfully, there is no one in the Weymouth and Portland area who suffers from poverty.[/p][/quote]Definitely nobody in Weymouth and Portland living in poverty then as they all have access to schools and clinics. There are many though that meet all the other criteria whether you want to believe it or not. A Little More
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11:28am Thu 1 Nov 12

cj07589 says...

niceonecyril wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
A Little More wrote:
"Benefit scroungers", "scum" and "pikies". You people make yourselves look very intellectual sitting behind your computer screens on your nice salaries or pensions or whatever other vast income that permits you to be knocking the lower classes at this time if day. The idea that everybody that inhabits Littlemoor sits comfortably on tax funded state handouts is a myth. Times are hard and nobody can resist a free or cheap meal no matter where it has come from. It certainly isn't pretty and it may not be pleasant but nature very rarely is. We are omnivores after all. The article doesn't mention wether the animals were dispatched compassionately, only that the hunters field dressing and butchery skills leave a lot to be desired. Making a mess of a carcas post mortem, whilst inconsiderate, is hardly inhumane. Animals are slaughtered in their tens, maybe even hundreds, of thousands worldwide each and every day and the majority of people allow this to happen unhindered and even support it through their purchasing of supermarket meat and whilst I personally disagree with the slaughter of young animals, sucking pigs are slaughtered at between 2 and 6 weeks of age and veal calves, not much older. I fail to see how, apart from a legal aspect, this is any different. There are many people on Littlemoor, and the whole of Weymouth, that live below, on or just above the bread line. These are not all career benefit claimants. Some just weren't gifted the potential to leave school with a string of qualifications and now struggle on 48 hour a week jobs that pay barely in excess of the national minimum wage. Without poaching or the black market many of these people would not be able to put meat into the mouths of their children. It's the same the country over- shopping bills are rising, fuel prices are increasing and housing costs are going through the roof, but wages aren't even following inflation and the government has slashed the amount of tax credits it gives to poor families.  Don't judge these people until you know all the facts.
What a disgraceful and pitiful attempt at tying to justify completely unnecessary cruelty to animals who have just as much right to share this overcrowded planet with us.
The blah blah blah remove the chip on my shoulder holy than thou rot doesn’t wash son! .....the poor have to eat...... socialist crud is quite frankly nauseating. How on earth do you sleep at night believing in such brainwashed propaganda?
It is infuriating when ridiculous comparisons are made between a struggling low income family living in the UK with access to modern comforts such as heating, water, clean sanitation, free, welfare income support, food banks, free health and dentist treatment etc......
You clearly have no concept of the definition of ‘poverty’, I suggest you wake up and experience life properly by visiting developing countries like India or Africa where the malnourished die every minute. Get some real experience before preaching from your ivory tower!
cj07589, you are an idiot, you have no idea what poverty is, just because you live with all those luxuries you mention, doesn't mean everybody else in the Uk does, you talk about ivory towers, well lets talk about pot-kettle-black.
Coming from sir idiot himself! Loving the irony chump
[quote][p][bold]niceonecyril[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A Little More[/bold] wrote: "Benefit scroungers", "scum" and "pikies". You people make yourselves look very intellectual sitting behind your computer screens on your nice salaries or pensions or whatever other vast income that permits you to be knocking the lower classes at this time if day. The idea that everybody that inhabits Littlemoor sits comfortably on tax funded state handouts is a myth. Times are hard and nobody can resist a free or cheap meal no matter where it has come from. It certainly isn't pretty and it may not be pleasant but nature very rarely is. We are omnivores after all. The article doesn't mention wether the animals were dispatched compassionately, only that the hunters field dressing and butchery skills leave a lot to be desired. Making a mess of a carcas post mortem, whilst inconsiderate, is hardly inhumane. Animals are slaughtered in their tens, maybe even hundreds, of thousands worldwide each and every day and the majority of people allow this to happen unhindered and even support it through their purchasing of supermarket meat and whilst I personally disagree with the slaughter of young animals, sucking pigs are slaughtered at between 2 and 6 weeks of age and veal calves, not much older. I fail to see how, apart from a legal aspect, this is any different. There are many people on Littlemoor, and the whole of Weymouth, that live below, on or just above the bread line. These are not all career benefit claimants. Some just weren't gifted the potential to leave school with a string of qualifications and now struggle on 48 hour a week jobs that pay barely in excess of the national minimum wage. Without poaching or the black market many of these people would not be able to put meat into the mouths of their children. It's the same the country over- shopping bills are rising, fuel prices are increasing and housing costs are going through the roof, but wages aren't even following inflation and the government has slashed the amount of tax credits it gives to poor families.  Don't judge these people until you know all the facts.[/p][/quote]What a disgraceful and pitiful attempt at tying to justify completely unnecessary cruelty to animals who have just as much right to share this overcrowded planet with us. The blah blah blah remove the chip on my shoulder holy than thou rot doesn’t wash son! .....the poor have to eat...... socialist crud is quite frankly nauseating. How on earth do you sleep at night believing in such brainwashed propaganda? It is infuriating when ridiculous comparisons are made between a struggling low income family living in the UK with access to modern comforts such as heating, water, clean sanitation, free, welfare income support, food banks, free health and dentist treatment etc...... You clearly have no concept of the definition of ‘poverty’, I suggest you wake up and experience life properly by visiting developing countries like India or Africa where the malnourished die every minute. Get some real experience before preaching from your ivory tower![/p][/quote]cj07589, you are an idiot, you have no idea what poverty is, just because you live with all those luxuries you mention, doesn't mean everybody else in the Uk does, you talk about ivory towers, well lets talk about pot-kettle-black.[/p][/quote]Coming from sir idiot himself! Loving the irony chump cj07589
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