Weymouth bus routes to be axed

Weymouth bus routes to be axed

Weymouth bus routes to be axed

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COMMUNITIES in Weymouth will be cut off under new plans by First Bus.

Sutton Poyntz, Southill, Preston and areas of Wyke Regis will all lose out when First Bus makes changes to its timetables and route on March 24.

The Service 4 from Weymouth, Preston or Sutton Poyntz to Weymouth, will now no-longer come off the main road and Oakbury Drive at Preston.

Instead buses will serve stops on the main road and residents will have to walk to there in order to catch them.

The 4B service through Sutton Poyntz will be removed entirely as will the Service 5 and 5A that runs from Weymouth to Southill, Lanehouse and back to Weymouth.

Wyke Road will not be serviced by Service 6 from Weymouth to Wyke Regis- buses will instead serve Chickerell Road (Pye Hill) and Lanehouse.

Other changes include: Service 1 from Weymouth to Portland – From March 24 buses will run every 20 minutes in the evening -compared to every half an hour at present.

Also from the end of March buses will travel via Commercial Road and Westham Road en route to Weymouth King’s Statue, and via the Seafront on the way back to Portland, and will stop at the Kings Statue bus stop rather than the one outside Debenhams in Weymouth. People wishing to travel from Dorchester to Portland on a straight through service will not be able to do this – instead they will have to change at the King’s Statue.

The current Service 601 from Portland to Thomas Hardye School during term time will be renumbered as Service 1A from 24 March.

Service 2 from Weymouth to Littlemoor - is being altered to’ improve the overall punctuality and reliability of the buses on the route.’ From March 24 buses operating during the evening from Monday – Saturday, will run every 20 minutes (compared to every half hour at present).

At weekends buses will run every 10 minutes on Saturday daytimes, compared to one bus every 15 minutes now, and every 15 minutes on Sunday daytimes, compared to every 20 minutes at present.

Service 3/3A from Weymouth to Westham - The timetable is changing to both ‘improve the overall punctuality and reliability of the service’ and to create ‘more consistency between the Monday to Friday and Saturday timetables.’ From the end of March buses will run every 15 minutes Monday to Saturday daytimes, rather than operating every 12 minutes on Monday to Fridays and every 20 minutes on Saturdays. The Service 3A variation – which sees buses travel via Southill for one late night Monday to Saturday journey – is being removed from the timetable due to low passenger usage. The late night journey itself will remain in the timetable buses will follow the normal route of Service 3 and will not travel via Southill.

Service 4/4B from Weymouth to Preston or Sutton Poyntz- Service 4 buses travelling outbound from Weymouth to Preston will no longer come off the main road to serve Oakbury Drive.

Instead buses will serve stops on the main road, with residents living on Oakbury Drive needing to walk through to there in order to catch them.

The Service 4B is being removed from the timetable from 24 March. This change means that Sutton Poyntz will no longer be served by First buses.

First considered the decision to withdraw the 4B route variation long and hard before it was made as the company does appreciate the impact that may have on local people, however on balance the decision was made to ensure that long term commercial viability of the route.

Notably at present buses can find it very challenging to operate in this area, due to narrow roads, parking concerns and a tight reversing manoeuvre at the end and these issues are further compounded by relatively few people boarding from stops along this bit of the route.

Monday to Saturday evening journeys on Service 4 are being reinstated from 24 March. From this date buses will run every half an hour during the evening, up until around 11pm.

Service 5/5A from Weymouth to Southill and Lanehouse - is being withdrawn from 24 March.

The route, which First operates on a commercial basis, has performed poorly over a number of years and while efforts have been made to make it more financially viable these have not been successful. 

First regrets the impact that the decision to withdraw this route will have on local people, however in the current economic climate it can no longer sustain this loss making route and thus has no choice but to withdraw it.

First is making a change to Service 6 to partly compensate for the loss of Service 5 in the Lanehouse area.

Service 6 from Weymouth to Wyke Regis - The route is being altered from 24 March.

From this date buses will serve Chickerell Road (Pye Hill) and Lanehouse instead of Wyke Road.

This change will mean that people in Lanehouse and Chickerell Road will have regular access to buses to and from Weymouth and Wyke Regis. The change does mean that Wyke Road will no longer be served, but First have said that this road is used by other bus operators in the area, so people should still be able to travel.

The overall frequency of buses is being reduced while more time is being added in to enable buses to get from A to B.

Buses will operate hourly from the end of March, compared to every half hour now.

First have said this will mean that buses are ‘more punctual and reliable’ as the timetable will better reflect the road conditions that drivers face.

The timetable is also being altered during the morning and afternoon peak periods with some journeys removed from the Monday – Friday timetable during school term time.

While there will be an early Monday - Friday journey from Weymouth at 6.50am and an early Monday – Friday journey from Wyke Regis (Walker Crescent) at 7.14am, during the normal school term time there will then be a gap in the timetable until around 9am. This gap to the timetable is necessary to enable First to provide journeys for students attending a local college at those times. In the afternoon the Monday – Friday 3.15 departure from Weymouth at Debenhams will also not operate on school days for the same reasons, however there will still be departures at 2.15pm, 4.15pm and 5.15pm. At weekends and during school holidays there will be no gaps in the morning or afternoon timetables.

Service 8 from Weymouth to Chickerell - is being altered to make it ‘both more punctual and reliable’ and to also improve the Saturday daytime frequency.

Buses on Saturdays will operate every 15 minutes from the end of March, compared to every 20 minutes now.

In addition evening journeys operating between Monday and Saturday are being reintroduced for the summer from 24 March.

Service 10 / X10 from Weymouth to Dorchester – The Service X10 which runs via Littlemoor Road is being withdrawn.

From 24 March all journeys will operate as Service 10 travelling via Broadwey and Upwey every 15 minutes. In addition an hourly evening service is being introduced giving local people the opportunity to travel to and from Weymouth and Dorchester much later than at present The timetable of Service 10 is also being amended on Sundays, with journeys operating later into the afternoon than at present, giving people more opportunities to travel.

People wanting to travel direct from Dorchester to Portland without changing buses – which was previously possible because Service 10 buses changed into Service 1 buses on arrival in Weymouth - is being lost from the end of March.

This is because the timetables for Service 10 and Service 1 are both being amended slightly. Customers who wish to travel from Dorchester to Portland -or vice versa- will still be able do so though, changing buses at the Kings Statue in Weymouth - from the end of March both Service 1 and Service 10 buses will arrive and depart from this location.

Service 31 from Weymouth to Axminster - The timetable for this service is being amended. Specifically the 7.41am journey from Bridport to Dorchester – which operates on school days only – is being altered to operate eight minutes earlier.

Customers who use this service are advised to check the new timetable carefully to ensure that they do not miss the bus following the changes in March. In addition the 3.45pm duplicate journey from Woodroffe School to Axminster - which operates on school days only- is being removed from the timetable.

This change is necessary as other timetable changes across the network mean that there will no longer be a vehicle in the vicinity at the time to operate this. Service 47 from Bridport to Yeovil - The timetable of this service is being altered to improve the overall punctuality and reliability of the route.

Customers are advised to check the new timetables carefully before travelling to understand what, if any, impact this will have on them.

Service 502 from Weymouth to Littlesea and 503 from Weymouth to Waterside - These two services, which exist primarily to transport holiday makers to and from local holiday parks during the summer, will begin operating from 23 March. Service X53 from Poole to Exeter - This service, which has previously been supported by Dorset County Council and Devon County Council, will be operated on a purely commercial basis from 24 March. Buses will operate every two hours Monday – Sunday.

Service X54 from Colyton to Exeter via Seaton and Axmouth- This service, which existed to provide two morning journeys and one afternoon journey only running between Colyton and Exeter, is being withdrawn from 24 March.

The service used to work in conjunction with Service X53, providing a variation to the normal X53 route, however it is not commercially viable and so is being lost as Service X53 transfers from being a supported route to being a commercially operated one.

 

Talking about the changes, Simon Ford, Regional Network Manager. for First in the South West and Wales, said: “The alterations that are being made at the end of March are largely designed to improve the local bus service – improving for instance the punctuality and reliability of routes - however at the same time we are also making a handful of changes to some other routes which are necessary to ensure the long term viability of our business.  We understand and regret that the latter will be unpopular, but unfortunately we have no choice other than to introduce them.

“Where routes are being amended or lost it is because very few people are carried on board them and the revenue taken does not match the costs of operating the journeys.  This is an issue that is further compounded by fact that of those people using the affected services many are concessionary pass holders and at present the level of concessionary fare reimbursement that operators like First receive for these people travelling is relatively low. This makes it much harder for us sustain these journeys.  Decisions like this are never taken lightly as we do understand the impact they can have on local people – particularly where older people rely on the routes – but in the current financial climate we are unable to sustain loss making routes and so have had to take steps to address this.  

“There are many positive changes being made in March too though.  For instance the introduction of evening journeys on Service 10 and the routing of all Service 10 buses to operate via Broadway and Upwey is expected to please many of local residents there. This will, for instance, respond in part to a local campaign asking for evening journeys between Dorchester and Weymouth running via Broadwey and Upwey to be reinstated. Similarly the improvements made to the frequency of Service 1, Service 2 and Service 8 on Saturdays, are expected to be welcomed.

“The new timetables for all the affected services will be uploaded to our website from 6 February with hard copy versions also made available from selected tourist and travel information centres around Dorset from early March.”

For more information about First in Dorset or to view current or new timetables visit www.firstgroup.com/dorset.

New timetables will be found under the ‘forthcoming timetables’ section of the website until they take effect at the end of March.

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4:28pm Tue 5 Feb 13

SRA says...

So anyone living in southill now has to walk or drive. All that money spent on new electronic sign boards, for a bus that will never come.
So anyone living in southill now has to walk or drive. All that money spent on new electronic sign boards, for a bus that will never come. SRA
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4:33pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Mr_Blue_Sky says...

On the plus side, we get more buses, more often, so i'm alright jack.
On the plus side, we get more buses, more often, so i'm alright jack. Mr_Blue_Sky
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5:00pm Tue 5 Feb 13

bobby1966 says...

lets be honest this has been coming for a while like any buisness loss making things are closed/shut i do feel sorry for those on the 5/5a route but it was costing thousands to run each month at no profit at all.

but if all goes well lets look on the bright side

better reliability,punctual
ity

10,8 and 4 running in the evening those moaners in broadway will now get buses upto midnight, lets hope some of those faces in the paper a while back actually use these later buses or else it will get cut again.

number 1 increased and now going from statue which helps connecting better to other routes and straight on the sea front
lets be honest this has been coming for a while like any buisness loss making things are closed/shut i do feel sorry for those on the 5/5a route but it was costing thousands to run each month at no profit at all. but if all goes well lets look on the bright side better reliability,punctual ity 10,8 and 4 running in the evening those moaners in broadway will now get buses upto midnight, lets hope some of those faces in the paper a while back actually use these later buses or else it will get cut again. number 1 increased and now going from statue which helps connecting better to other routes and straight on the sea front bobby1966
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5:07pm Tue 5 Feb 13

clansman59 says...

This is what you get from privatisation I worked for the old Southern National for 10 years and I know not all the services weren't perfect but at least people had services another problem has been letting the elderly ride for free , please note this is nothing to do with age, regardless of if they live locally or not, they should not have done away with the half fare scheme at least people were contributing to the running of the bus service!
This is what you get from privatisation I worked for the old Southern National for 10 years and I know not all the services weren't perfect but at least people had services another problem has been letting the elderly ride for free , please note this is nothing to do with age, regardless of if they live locally or not, they should not have done away with the half fare scheme at least people were contributing to the running of the bus service! clansman59
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5:11pm Tue 5 Feb 13

bobby1966 says...

clansman59 wrote:
This is what you get from privatisation I worked for the old Southern National for 10 years and I know not all the services weren't perfect but at least people had services another problem has been letting the elderly ride for free , please note this is nothing to do with age, regardless of if they live locally or not, they should not have done away with the half fare scheme at least people were contributing to the running of the bus service!
exactley as bad as it sounds all these free passes werenot to bad at the start . ITS THE GOVERNMENTS FAULT. they enticed the bus companies in years ago with the promise of a good rebate for allowing free passes to travel but now they have reduced it to such a level that its impossible for the comapnies to operate routeswith a majority of free passes as it just does not pay :(
[quote][p][bold]clansman59[/bold] wrote: This is what you get from privatisation I worked for the old Southern National for 10 years and I know not all the services weren't perfect but at least people had services another problem has been letting the elderly ride for free , please note this is nothing to do with age, regardless of if they live locally or not, they should not have done away with the half fare scheme at least people were contributing to the running of the bus service![/p][/quote]exactley as bad as it sounds all these free passes werenot to bad at the start . ITS THE GOVERNMENTS FAULT. they enticed the bus companies in years ago with the promise of a good rebate for allowing free passes to travel but now they have reduced it to such a level that its impossible for the comapnies to operate routeswith a majority of free passes as it just does not pay :( bobby1966
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5:48pm Tue 5 Feb 13

westhamtenant says...

this is terrible. i cant see anything good coming out of this. they cant keep up with demand now how on earth are they going to do it in march. cutting routes will only make things harder for everybody. the number 3 route is being cut from 12 minutes to 15 minutes..what a flippin joke most days they come once an hour. 4 buses out of 9 were missing on number 1s and number 2 buses are frequently missing especially first thing in morning and afternoon when kids kick out.i wait from 3pm untill 3.50 some days on a busy road. first treat their drivers like rubbish. these are good harding men and woman who turn up for work to find theres no heating there bus has broken down etc. then when they do get a bus they are subjected to abuse and assault because passengers have been waiting for over an hour sometime and are upset.these people are the face of first and they are being treated appallingly. in a report from county hall they say that the fleet is getting older. this is because first dont want to sell with a new fleet wasting money.

for more info and chats please join the facebook page called first buses weymouth complaints...see you there x
this is terrible. i cant see anything good coming out of this. they cant keep up with demand now how on earth are they going to do it in march. cutting routes will only make things harder for everybody. the number 3 route is being cut from 12 minutes to 15 minutes..what a flippin joke most days they come once an hour. 4 buses out of 9 were missing on number 1s and number 2 buses are frequently missing especially first thing in morning and afternoon when kids kick out.i wait from 3pm untill 3.50 some days on a busy road. first treat their drivers like rubbish. these are good harding men and woman who turn up for work to find theres no heating there bus has broken down etc. then when they do get a bus they are subjected to abuse and assault because passengers have been waiting for over an hour sometime and are upset.these people are the face of first and they are being treated appallingly. in a report from county hall they say that the fleet is getting older. this is because first dont want to sell with a new fleet wasting money. for more info and chats please join the facebook page called first buses weymouth complaints...see you there x westhamtenant
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5:52pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Joe_Bloggs says...

Mr_Blue_Sky wrote:
On the plus side, we get more buses, more often, so i'm alright jack.
Probably a Portlander.
What about the rest of us, I use the 8 service that is improved for the summer then back to 8.40 finish and a waste of time on Sundays during the winter no doubt.
Also it is about time we had a bus terminus at the Statue and not some services running from Debenhams, after all why should a Portland resident get dropped at the Statue, and others like myself have to walk from the bus depot or Debenhams up to the statue.
Come on First pull your finger out if it is viable for service 1 to go up Westham road and back down King street then it is no different for services 3 and 8 as well as the revamped 6.
If it is going to be made easier for those not so capable of walking do it for everyone not just the chosen few from Portland who seem to get the better buses, I was on the 4B bus 3 times in the last week and to be honest the bus running it should be in a museum, yes it is reliable, but the elderly and mothers with pushchairs can not manage the steps and also it is seems like the suspension has gone as it certainly wakes you up in the morning.
So much for the promise of better buses from First.
[quote][p][bold]Mr_Blue_Sky[/bold] wrote: On the plus side, we get more buses, more often, so i'm alright jack.[/p][/quote]Probably a Portlander. What about the rest of us, I use the 8 service that is improved for the summer then back to 8.40 finish and a waste of time on Sundays during the winter no doubt. Also it is about time we had a bus terminus at the Statue and not some services running from Debenhams, after all why should a Portland resident get dropped at the Statue, and others like myself have to walk from the bus depot or Debenhams up to the statue. Come on First pull your finger out if it is viable for service 1 to go up Westham road and back down King street then it is no different for services 3 and 8 as well as the revamped 6. If it is going to be made easier for those not so capable of walking do it for everyone not just the chosen few from Portland who seem to get the better buses, I was on the 4B bus 3 times in the last week and to be honest the bus running it should be in a museum, yes it is reliable, but the elderly and mothers with pushchairs can not manage the steps and also it is seems like the suspension has gone as it certainly wakes you up in the morning. So much for the promise of better buses from First. Joe_Bloggs
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6:02pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Suzim says...

So does that mean that some other group that were muscled out by 'First' might provide a service? It makes you laugh really, all the green guff, promoted by the Government, on yer bikes kids!
So does that mean that some other group that were muscled out by 'First' might provide a service? It makes you laugh really, all the green guff, promoted by the Government, on yer bikes kids! Suzim
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6:03pm Tue 5 Feb 13

malkie says...

I will probably alienate many people with my comments, but while having great sympathy for the residents of Southill, I can only say this was the logical step for the Lanehouse service. It goes back to the old service given by Southern National, albeit not so frequently, when the bus kept to the main roads, turning round at Parkmead Road. Serving the estates of Lanehouse & Littlesea was fine when the small shuttle buses were introduced, but it was ridiculous asking the drivers to negotiate these small roads and to contend with badly parked cars. It is not so far to walk to the main road. People may complain that they have difficulty walking, but I must ask, what do they do once they are in town?
I will probably alienate many people with my comments, but while having great sympathy for the residents of Southill, I can only say this was the logical step for the Lanehouse service. It goes back to the old service given by Southern National, albeit not so frequently, when the bus kept to the main roads, turning round at Parkmead Road. Serving the estates of Lanehouse & Littlesea was fine when the small shuttle buses were introduced, but it was ridiculous asking the drivers to negotiate these small roads and to contend with badly parked cars. It is not so far to walk to the main road. People may complain that they have difficulty walking, but I must ask, what do they do once they are in town? malkie
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6:13pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Suzim says...

So does that mean that some other group that were muscled out by 'First' might provide a service? It makes you laugh really, all the green guff, promoted by the Government, on yer bikes kids!
So does that mean that some other group that were muscled out by 'First' might provide a service? It makes you laugh really, all the green guff, promoted by the Government, on yer bikes kids! Suzim
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6:22pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Suzim says...

Also I thought Equality meant that it didn't matter who you are,where you lived,race etc. there are some that have and some that not, so how does that work? Discuss!
Also I thought Equality meant that it didn't matter who you are,where you lived,race etc. there are some that have and some that not, so how does that work? Discuss! Suzim
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6:23pm Tue 5 Feb 13

niceonecyril says...

"COMMUNITIES in Weymouth will be cut off under new plans by First Bus."

What a pathetic headline, if those parts of the communities had used the bus in the first place, they wouldn't have to cut them ! So who's cut off, people who don't use the service in the first place.
"COMMUNITIES in Weymouth will be cut off under new plans by First Bus." What a pathetic headline, if those parts of the communities had used the bus in the first place, they wouldn't have to cut them ! So who's cut off, people who don't use the service in the first place. niceonecyril
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6:39pm Tue 5 Feb 13

noodle06 says...

Go to the first website and see their policies for customer care and the environment. You can also access their profits. They took on these services so they should provide them. We all have to take the rough with the smooth and so should they.
Complain to their chief Exec : TIM O’TOOLE AT
Tim.O'Toole@firstgro
up.com
If the concessions are a problem then tell people if they want to keep the service you pay. We will be happy to. They do, however, have an excuse ready for every occasion.
Maybe Mr. Branson could take over the bus services too. PLEASE RICHARD, PLEASE.
Go to the first website and see their policies for customer care and the environment. You can also access their profits. They took on these services so they should provide them. We all have to take the rough with the smooth and so should they. Complain to their chief Exec : TIM O’TOOLE AT Tim.O'Toole@firstgro up.com If the concessions are a problem then tell people if they want to keep the service you pay. We will be happy to. They do, however, have an excuse ready for every occasion. Maybe Mr. Branson could take over the bus services too. PLEASE RICHARD, PLEASE. noodle06
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6:52pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Dorset Guy says...

If there are enough people needing transport there is nothing to stop another operator stepping in 56 days notice to the Traffic Commissioners is all it takes
First have been very open in explaining their reasons at the end of the day its use it or loose it
If there are enough people needing transport there is nothing to stop another operator stepping in 56 days notice to the Traffic Commissioners is all it takes First have been very open in explaining their reasons at the end of the day its use it or loose it Dorset Guy
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7:14pm Tue 5 Feb 13

why dont you get a job? says...

Noodle06,You're living in cloud cuckoo land.How many times must it be said FIRST BUS IS A PRIVATE COMPANY out to make money for its shareholders.Due to govermental budget deficits and council cuts the compensation paid to all bus companies has been reduced to such an extent its no longer viable to run some services not just in this town ,but nationwide.When a route such as the5/5a is losing approx £20k every 6 months what do you expect..The problem wether people like it or not is the''free bus passes'' that are not free! Every council tax payer has been supporting this and the drivers of the buses will suffer when it comes to wage negotiations as the ''profit'' is not as anticipated..You expect Branson to do any better? hes too wise to get involved in a dying industry...Bus services killed by concessionary passes
Noodle06,You're living in cloud cuckoo land.How many times must it be said FIRST BUS IS A PRIVATE COMPANY out to make money for its shareholders.Due to govermental budget deficits and council cuts the compensation paid to all bus companies has been reduced to such an extent its no longer viable to run some services not just in this town ,but nationwide.When a route such as the5/5a is losing approx £20k every 6 months what do you expect..The problem wether people like it or not is the''free bus passes'' that are not free! Every council tax payer has been supporting this and the drivers of the buses will suffer when it comes to wage negotiations as the ''profit'' is not as anticipated..You expect Branson to do any better? hes too wise to get involved in a dying industry...Bus services killed by concessionary passes why dont you get a job?
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7:42pm Tue 5 Feb 13

noodle06 says...

As I said, tell every concession pass holder, if you want to keep the service then you pay.
As I said, tell every concession pass holder, if you want to keep the service then you pay. noodle06
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8:14pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Mango man says...

westhamtenant wrote:
this is terrible. i cant see anything good coming out of this. they cant keep up with demand now how on earth are they going to do it in march. cutting routes will only make things harder for everybody. the number 3 route is being cut from 12 minutes to 15 minutes..what a flippin joke most days they come once an hour. 4 buses out of 9 were missing on number 1s and number 2 buses are frequently missing especially first thing in morning and afternoon when kids kick out.i wait from 3pm untill 3.50 some days on a busy road. first treat their drivers like rubbish. these are good harding men and woman who turn up for work to find theres no heating there bus has broken down etc. then when they do get a bus they are subjected to abuse and assault because passengers have been waiting for over an hour sometime and are upset.these people are the face of first and they are being treated appallingly. in a report from county hall they say that the fleet is getting older. this is because first dont want to sell with a new fleet wasting money.

for more info and chats please join the facebook page called first buses weymouth complaints...see you there x
I'm confused, are you for or against this change?!
[quote][p][bold]westhamtenant[/bold] wrote: this is terrible. i cant see anything good coming out of this. they cant keep up with demand now how on earth are they going to do it in march. cutting routes will only make things harder for everybody. the number 3 route is being cut from 12 minutes to 15 minutes..what a flippin joke most days they come once an hour. 4 buses out of 9 were missing on number 1s and number 2 buses are frequently missing especially first thing in morning and afternoon when kids kick out.i wait from 3pm untill 3.50 some days on a busy road. first treat their drivers like rubbish. these are good harding men and woman who turn up for work to find theres no heating there bus has broken down etc. then when they do get a bus they are subjected to abuse and assault because passengers have been waiting for over an hour sometime and are upset.these people are the face of first and they are being treated appallingly. in a report from county hall they say that the fleet is getting older. this is because first dont want to sell with a new fleet wasting money. for more info and chats please join the facebook page called first buses weymouth complaints...see you there x[/p][/quote]I'm confused, are you for or against this change?! Mango man
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8:23pm Tue 5 Feb 13

westhamtenant says...

Mango man wrote:
westhamtenant wrote:
this is terrible. i cant see anything good coming out of this. they cant keep up with demand now how on earth are they going to do it in march. cutting routes will only make things harder for everybody. the number 3 route is being cut from 12 minutes to 15 minutes..what a flippin joke most days they come once an hour. 4 buses out of 9 were missing on number 1s and number 2 buses are frequently missing especially first thing in morning and afternoon when kids kick out.i wait from 3pm untill 3.50 some days on a busy road. first treat their drivers like rubbish. these are good harding men and woman who turn up for work to find theres no heating there bus has broken down etc. then when they do get a bus they are subjected to abuse and assault because passengers have been waiting for over an hour sometime and are upset.these people are the face of first and they are being treated appallingly. in a report from county hall they say that the fleet is getting older. this is because first dont want to sell with a new fleet wasting money.

for more info and chats please join the facebook page called first buses weymouth complaints...see you there x
I'm confused, are you for or against this change?!
hi mango man. i just cant see how they are going to be able to perform better. they say they are going to cut down routes by 3 mins ie from 12 to 15 mins but.at the moment they are struggling to get a bus out an hour on the 3 route. and they want to do similar on 2 routes but again sometimes its 1 an hour or even longer. cant see any of it happening to be fair. xx
[quote][p][bold]Mango man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]westhamtenant[/bold] wrote: this is terrible. i cant see anything good coming out of this. they cant keep up with demand now how on earth are they going to do it in march. cutting routes will only make things harder for everybody. the number 3 route is being cut from 12 minutes to 15 minutes..what a flippin joke most days they come once an hour. 4 buses out of 9 were missing on number 1s and number 2 buses are frequently missing especially first thing in morning and afternoon when kids kick out.i wait from 3pm untill 3.50 some days on a busy road. first treat their drivers like rubbish. these are good harding men and woman who turn up for work to find theres no heating there bus has broken down etc. then when they do get a bus they are subjected to abuse and assault because passengers have been waiting for over an hour sometime and are upset.these people are the face of first and they are being treated appallingly. in a report from county hall they say that the fleet is getting older. this is because first dont want to sell with a new fleet wasting money. for more info and chats please join the facebook page called first buses weymouth complaints...see you there x[/p][/quote]I'm confused, are you for or against this change?![/p][/quote]hi mango man. i just cant see how they are going to be able to perform better. they say they are going to cut down routes by 3 mins ie from 12 to 15 mins but.at the moment they are struggling to get a bus out an hour on the 3 route. and they want to do similar on 2 routes but again sometimes its 1 an hour or even longer. cant see any of it happening to be fair. xx westhamtenant
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8:32pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Suzim says...

If you are going to provide a bus service you apply it to everybody, perhaps, not at regular but let us be fair! Not a lot to ask.
If you are going to provide a bus service you apply it to everybody, perhaps, not at regular but let us be fair! Not a lot to ask. Suzim
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8:44pm Tue 5 Feb 13

why dont you get a job? says...

Noodle06...The problem with asking concessionary pass holders to pay is that it is illegal.The only way round this is to register the route as a summer service only for use by holidaymakers ,as the open top 501
Noodle06...The problem with asking concessionary pass holders to pay is that it is illegal.The only way round this is to register the route as a summer service only for use by holidaymakers ,as the open top 501[which incidently is also being cut as the pass holders here last year refused to pay the£3 return fare to portland bill ] why dont you get a job?
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8:58pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Suzim says...

Under 'equalities' we are entitled to the same service as everybody else! Bus service for Southillxxx
Under 'equalities' we are entitled to the same service as everybody else! Bus service for Southillxxx Suzim
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9:03pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Simon Nicholas says...

I hate to say it, but there may not be a 501 service to Portland Bill this year.

Its future is very much under review, due to many factors including the terrible weather in recent years, high diesel prices and not being able to claim reimbursement for the OAP free tickets - the loss of the Kings Statue departure stand during the Olympics last year was a financial disaster and possible closure of the promenade this summer is therefore causing much concern.

If you want to save it, the time to start the petition is NOW.

Simon N.
I hate to say it, but there may not be a 501 service to Portland Bill this year. Its future is very much under review, due to many factors including the terrible weather in recent years, high diesel prices and not being able to claim reimbursement for the OAP free tickets - the loss of the Kings Statue departure stand during the Olympics last year was a financial disaster and possible closure of the promenade this summer is therefore causing much concern. If you want to save it, the time to start the petition is NOW. Simon N. Simon Nicholas
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9:06pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Suzim says...

SRA wrote:
So anyone living in southill now has to walk or drive. All that money spent on new electronic sign boards, for a bus that will never come.
Actually, we have been forgotten by 'green Transport' joke!
[quote][p][bold]SRA[/bold] wrote: So anyone living in southill now has to walk or drive. All that money spent on new electronic sign boards, for a bus that will never come.[/p][/quote]Actually, we have been forgotten by 'green Transport' joke! Suzim
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9:06pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Suzim says...

SRA wrote:
So anyone living in southill now has to walk or drive. All that money spent on new electronic sign boards, for a bus that will never come.
Actually, we have been forgotten by 'green Transport' joke!
[quote][p][bold]SRA[/bold] wrote: So anyone living in southill now has to walk or drive. All that money spent on new electronic sign boards, for a bus that will never come.[/p][/quote]Actually, we have been forgotten by 'green Transport' joke! Suzim
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9:26pm Tue 5 Feb 13

malkie says...

As I said earlier, I really do have sympathy for the residents of Southill, as they are completely isolated. It's not as if they can walk to catch a bus on a near-by route.
As I said earlier, I really do have sympathy for the residents of Southill, as they are completely isolated. It's not as if they can walk to catch a bus on a near-by route. malkie
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9:26pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Suzim says...

I keep saying everything should be fair and that is all I ask! So, I understand, that Portland has more buses because they have a younger group but by the same token Southill should have a bus. I think if they cut it totally you will end up with a dead area.
I keep saying everything should be fair and that is all I ask! So, I understand, that Portland has more buses because they have a younger group but by the same token Southill should have a bus. I think if they cut it totally you will end up with a dead area. Suzim
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9:37pm Tue 5 Feb 13

paddyash says...

i think its totally unfair, i live at southill, my whole road depends on that bus , most havent got a car, we have rights, a bus service however small, is well within our rights, you can not simply cut off a community, you must find a way around it, even if its only 2 buses a day, why should all of weymouth have a bus route, and southill has to suffer, im disgusted at first bus, and for all you folk out there who drive, think yourself lucky, there is a few of us you just cant afford to, SHAME ON YOU, UNFEELING IDIOTS AT FIRST BUS
i think its totally unfair, i live at southill, my whole road depends on that bus , most havent got a car, we have rights, a bus service however small, is well within our rights, you can not simply cut off a community, you must find a way around it, even if its only 2 buses a day, why should all of weymouth have a bus route, and southill has to suffer, im disgusted at first bus, and for all you folk out there who drive, think yourself lucky, there is a few of us you just cant afford to, SHAME ON YOU, UNFEELING IDIOTS AT FIRST BUS paddyash
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10:16pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Simon Nicholas says...

To be fair to First, there is nothing stopping any other operator registering a service to Southill, but none will, because the reimboursment per OAP free fare is just too low to make it viable.

Now that First have given notice however, the Transport Act 1986 allows for the local authority to subsidise a replacement service, should they feel that a service is justified and socially necessary.

Even though Dorset CC have not got any money, I suspect that limited funds will be found to provide a basic service for there.
To be fair to First, there is nothing stopping any other operator registering a service to Southill, but none will, because the reimboursment per OAP free fare is just too low to make it viable. Now that First have given notice however, the Transport Act 1986 allows for the local authority to subsidise a replacement service, should they feel that a service is justified and socially necessary. Even though Dorset CC have not got any money, I suspect that limited funds will be found to provide a basic service for there. Simon Nicholas
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10:42pm Tue 5 Feb 13

kildare43 says...

Then we should all go and live in Poundbury....no shortage of buses there and they can walk to everywhere. Town, Hospital and train stations. Ah equality!
Then we should all go and live in Poundbury....no shortage of buses there and they can walk to everywhere. Town, Hospital and train stations. Ah equality! kildare43
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10:50pm Tue 5 Feb 13

high68 says...

so all the money spent on bus stop improvements, real time, shelters, raised kerbs is all down the swanny in some parts of town.

No 1 ..up to the kings Statue. Great for connections to Dorchester, but not serving debenhams and town bridge.

Hopefully now yellows, W&D/Damory, Stagecoach ?? will take a punt on Weymouth and start a bus war ?
so all the money spent on bus stop improvements, real time, shelters, raised kerbs is all down the swanny in some parts of town. No 1 ..up to the kings Statue. Great for connections to Dorchester, but not serving debenhams and town bridge. Hopefully now yellows, W&D/Damory, Stagecoach ?? will take a punt on Weymouth and start a bus war ? high68
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10:54pm Tue 5 Feb 13

high68 says...

on the other hand No 6 is finally providing a much needed service from Pye Hill/Fiveways/Laneho
use to and from Wyke... although not so good for Wyke Road residents

so good and bad all round
on the other hand No 6 is finally providing a much needed service from Pye Hill/Fiveways/Laneho use to and from Wyke... although not so good for Wyke Road residents so good and bad all round high68
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6:39am Wed 6 Feb 13

Portlandgary says...

Joe_Bloggs wrote:
Mr_Blue_Sky wrote:
On the plus side, we get more buses, more often, so i'm alright jack.
Probably a Portlander.
What about the rest of us, I use the 8 service that is improved for the summer then back to 8.40 finish and a waste of time on Sundays during the winter no doubt.
Also it is about time we had a bus terminus at the Statue and not some services running from Debenhams, after all why should a Portland resident get dropped at the Statue, and others like myself have to walk from the bus depot or Debenhams up to the statue.
Come on First pull your finger out if it is viable for service 1 to go up Westham road and back down King street then it is no different for services 3 and 8 as well as the revamped 6.
If it is going to be made easier for those not so capable of walking do it for everyone not just the chosen few from Portland who seem to get the better buses, I was on the 4B bus 3 times in the last week and to be honest the bus running it should be in a museum, yes it is reliable, but the elderly and mothers with pushchairs can not manage the steps and also it is seems like the suspension has gone as it certainly wakes you up in the morning.
So much for the promise of better buses from First.
@ Joe_Bloggs

"He's probably a Portlander"

Can I ask where you got the information from please? Quite a statement to make, I would hazard a guess that you are probably one of the people on here that label all people who live at Littemoor as being trouble as well.

A little bit of advice, remove your head from your posterior.

From a disgruntled Portlander, who does care about the services people receive and not just on Portland.
[quote][p][bold]Joe_Bloggs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr_Blue_Sky[/bold] wrote: On the plus side, we get more buses, more often, so i'm alright jack.[/p][/quote]Probably a Portlander. What about the rest of us, I use the 8 service that is improved for the summer then back to 8.40 finish and a waste of time on Sundays during the winter no doubt. Also it is about time we had a bus terminus at the Statue and not some services running from Debenhams, after all why should a Portland resident get dropped at the Statue, and others like myself have to walk from the bus depot or Debenhams up to the statue. Come on First pull your finger out if it is viable for service 1 to go up Westham road and back down King street then it is no different for services 3 and 8 as well as the revamped 6. If it is going to be made easier for those not so capable of walking do it for everyone not just the chosen few from Portland who seem to get the better buses, I was on the 4B bus 3 times in the last week and to be honest the bus running it should be in a museum, yes it is reliable, but the elderly and mothers with pushchairs can not manage the steps and also it is seems like the suspension has gone as it certainly wakes you up in the morning. So much for the promise of better buses from First.[/p][/quote]@ Joe_Bloggs "He's probably a Portlander" Can I ask where you got the information from please? Quite a statement to make, I would hazard a guess that you are probably one of the people on here that label all people who live at Littemoor as being trouble as well. A little bit of advice, remove your head from your posterior. From a disgruntled Portlander, who does care about the services people receive and not just on Portland. Portlandgary
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6:39am Wed 6 Feb 13

mark@greenhill says...

paddyash wrote:
i think its totally unfair, i live at southill, my whole road depends on that bus , most havent got a car, we have rights, a bus service however small, is well within our rights, you can not simply cut off a community, you must find a way around it, even if its only 2 buses a day, why should all of weymouth have a bus route, and southill has to suffer, im disgusted at first bus, and for all you folk out there who drive, think yourself lucky, there is a few of us you just cant afford to, SHAME ON YOU, UNFEELING IDIOTS AT FIRST BUS
Actually, nobody has a RIGHT to a bus service.

The bus companies may run a bus at any time, or any route they wish, if they think it will show a profit.

Many rural villages etc have no public transport at all, & why should Southill be any different?

The long and short of it is, that if enough of you actually used the Southill service, it would show a profit, & would still be viable.

Using a bus once a week to do your shopping, simply isn't going to keep the service running.
[quote][p][bold]paddyash[/bold] wrote: i think its totally unfair, i live at southill, my whole road depends on that bus , most havent got a car, we have rights, a bus service however small, is well within our rights, you can not simply cut off a community, you must find a way around it, even if its only 2 buses a day, why should all of weymouth have a bus route, and southill has to suffer, im disgusted at first bus, and for all you folk out there who drive, think yourself lucky, there is a few of us you just cant afford to, SHAME ON YOU, UNFEELING IDIOTS AT FIRST BUS[/p][/quote]Actually, nobody has a RIGHT to a bus service. The bus companies may run a bus at any time, or any route they wish, if they think it will show a profit. Many rural villages etc have no public transport at all, & why should Southill be any different? The long and short of it is, that if enough of you actually used the Southill service, it would show a profit, & would still be viable. Using a bus once a week to do your shopping, simply isn't going to keep the service running. mark@greenhill
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7:09am Wed 6 Feb 13

Throckape says...

We don't want more busses per hour. we want busses longer into the night like they have in Bournemouth.

The Taxis wouldn't like it mind!
We don't want more busses per hour. we want busses longer into the night like they have in Bournemouth. The Taxis wouldn't like it mind! Throckape
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7:55am Wed 6 Feb 13

Jimmytheone says...

What's the problem we have got a cycle lane everywhere now at a huge expense.From upwey to Dorchester. Souhill to Granby and now Chickerell Road to Granby.Money is misspent like water so why not keep the buss passes and anybody over Twenty gets a subsidised bike that way everybody gets there fair share of freebies which is what most of these comments are about.There's loads of dosh for everybody we are not really broke just a political rumour.
What's the problem we have got a cycle lane everywhere now at a huge expense.From upwey to Dorchester. Souhill to Granby and now Chickerell Road to Granby.Money is misspent like water so why not keep the buss passes and anybody over Twenty gets a subsidised bike that way everybody gets there fair share of freebies which is what most of these comments are about.There's loads of dosh for everybody we are not really broke just a political rumour. Jimmytheone
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9:58am Wed 6 Feb 13

John New says...

I use the bus (No 1) from time to time and as a full fare payer not on a pass. The changes mean I now more likely to use my car and park in the multi-storey as the bus service is becoming less central.

Leave the No 1 route as it is please it goes where we want it to now via Debenhams & Town Bridge.

If you want to improve the service how about the revolutionary idea of running the buses at the frequency it says in the timetable instead of the random chance service we currently get.
I use the bus (No 1) from time to time and as a full fare payer not on a pass. The changes mean I now more likely to use my car and park in the multi-storey as the bus service is becoming less central. Leave the No 1 route as it is please it goes where we want it to now via Debenhams & Town Bridge. If you want to improve the service how about the revolutionary idea of running the buses at the frequency it says in the timetable instead of the random chance service we currently get. John New
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1:04pm Wed 6 Feb 13

stench says...

what about when all hospitals are made private?

Do we allow services to be scrapped cos the reimburtment isnt enough?

The people against it are clearly those not in need of a bus...
what about when all hospitals are made private? Do we allow services to be scrapped cos the reimburtment isnt enough? The people against it are clearly those not in need of a bus... stench
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3:42pm Wed 6 Feb 13

bobby1966 says...

stench wrote:
what about when all hospitals are made private?

Do we allow services to be scrapped cos the reimburtment isnt enough?

The people against it are clearly those not in need of a bus...
i think most of you people seem to think the council still own the buses. first is a private company who operate a buisness .
why should a company make a loss each month of thousands to please a few people .

you people of southill had your chance at the start of last year. if i remember right first were going to alter the route to try and make it pay ,you had the manager from first up there and lobbied the papers and so on saying we will catch the bus and use it more.

so first left it as it was and nothing changed still low numbers and not enough people using them so you really only have yourself to blame.

just like the people of broadway/upwey they have moaned to the echo ,the company and so on .so first have now given them back there bus and even up until midnight now lets see if these regulars from there actually catch the bus now because if they dont IT WILL BE GONE they are being given the chance.

think about for a minute who would operate a company at a loss
[quote][p][bold]stench[/bold] wrote: what about when all hospitals are made private? Do we allow services to be scrapped cos the reimburtment isnt enough? The people against it are clearly those not in need of a bus...[/p][/quote]i think most of you people seem to think the council still own the buses. first is a private company who operate a buisness . why should a company make a loss each month of thousands to please a few people . you people of southill had your chance at the start of last year. if i remember right first were going to alter the route to try and make it pay ,you had the manager from first up there and lobbied the papers and so on saying we will catch the bus and use it more. so first left it as it was and nothing changed still low numbers and not enough people using them so you really only have yourself to blame. just like the people of broadway/upwey they have moaned to the echo ,the company and so on .so first have now given them back there bus and even up until midnight now lets see if these regulars from there actually catch the bus now because if they dont IT WILL BE GONE they are being given the chance. think about for a minute who would operate a company at a loss bobby1966
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3:48pm Wed 6 Feb 13

stench says...

bobby1966 wrote:
stench wrote: what about when all hospitals are made private? Do we allow services to be scrapped cos the reimburtment isnt enough? The people against it are clearly those not in need of a bus...
i think most of you people seem to think the council still own the buses. first is a private company who operate a buisness . why should a company make a loss each month of thousands to please a few people . you people of southill had your chance at the start of last year. if i remember right first were going to alter the route to try and make it pay ,you had the manager from first up there and lobbied the papers and so on saying we will catch the bus and use it more. so first left it as it was and nothing changed still low numbers and not enough people using them so you really only have yourself to blame. just like the people of broadway/upwey they have moaned to the echo ,the company and so on .so first have now given them back there bus and even up until midnight now lets see if these regulars from there actually catch the bus now because if they dont IT WILL BE GONE they are being given the chance. think about for a minute who would operate a company at a loss
I think you assume wrong...

The council USED to own them, yes. But why privatise?

It'll be the same lame excuses that we'll have when all hospitals become private. then what after that?

It's like the owner of RyanAir is giving Cameron & co tips on how to strip back to basics, take away liabilty and let the people put up with the crap.

I'll vote for a party that wants to run the country. not one that passes the risk to private companies, in a coawardly effort to avoid fuuture responsibilities...
[quote][p][bold]bobby1966[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stench[/bold] wrote: what about when all hospitals are made private? Do we allow services to be scrapped cos the reimburtment isnt enough? The people against it are clearly those not in need of a bus...[/p][/quote]i think most of you people seem to think the council still own the buses. first is a private company who operate a buisness . why should a company make a loss each month of thousands to please a few people . you people of southill had your chance at the start of last year. if i remember right first were going to alter the route to try and make it pay ,you had the manager from first up there and lobbied the papers and so on saying we will catch the bus and use it more. so first left it as it was and nothing changed still low numbers and not enough people using them so you really only have yourself to blame. just like the people of broadway/upwey they have moaned to the echo ,the company and so on .so first have now given them back there bus and even up until midnight now lets see if these regulars from there actually catch the bus now because if they dont IT WILL BE GONE they are being given the chance. think about for a minute who would operate a company at a loss[/p][/quote]I think you assume wrong... The council USED to own them, yes. But why privatise? It'll be the same lame excuses that we'll have when all hospitals become private. then what after that? It's like the owner of RyanAir is giving Cameron & co tips on how to strip back to basics, take away liabilty and let the people put up with the crap. I'll vote for a party that wants to run the country. not one that passes the risk to private companies, in a coawardly effort to avoid fuuture responsibilities... stench
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3:52pm Wed 6 Feb 13

stench says...

bobby1966 wrote:
stench wrote: what about when all hospitals are made private? Do we allow services to be scrapped cos the reimburtment isnt enough? The people against it are clearly those not in need of a bus...
i think most of you people seem to think the council still own the buses. first is a private company who operate a buisness . why should a company make a loss each month of thousands to please a few people . you people of southill had your chance at the start of last year. if i remember right first were going to alter the route to try and make it pay ,you had the manager from first up there and lobbied the papers and so on saying we will catch the bus and use it more. so first left it as it was and nothing changed still low numbers and not enough people using them so you really only have yourself to blame. just like the people of broadway/upwey they have moaned to the echo ,the company and so on .so first have now given them back there bus and even up until midnight now lets see if these regulars from there actually catch the bus now because if they dont IT WILL BE GONE they are being given the chance. think about for a minute who would operate a company at a loss
And it's all about overall profit. They should have been aware that some services may not be a winner. but if they are not making the profits they want, then pull your finger and get more lean!

Tis the easy way for chiefs to make visible savings. redundancies and scrapping of services. shameful!
[quote][p][bold]bobby1966[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stench[/bold] wrote: what about when all hospitals are made private? Do we allow services to be scrapped cos the reimburtment isnt enough? The people against it are clearly those not in need of a bus...[/p][/quote]i think most of you people seem to think the council still own the buses. first is a private company who operate a buisness . why should a company make a loss each month of thousands to please a few people . you people of southill had your chance at the start of last year. if i remember right first were going to alter the route to try and make it pay ,you had the manager from first up there and lobbied the papers and so on saying we will catch the bus and use it more. so first left it as it was and nothing changed still low numbers and not enough people using them so you really only have yourself to blame. just like the people of broadway/upwey they have moaned to the echo ,the company and so on .so first have now given them back there bus and even up until midnight now lets see if these regulars from there actually catch the bus now because if they dont IT WILL BE GONE they are being given the chance. think about for a minute who would operate a company at a loss[/p][/quote]And it's all about overall profit. They should have been aware that some services may not be a winner. but if they are not making the profits they want, then pull your finger and get more lean! Tis the easy way for chiefs to make visible savings. redundancies and scrapping of services. shameful! stench
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3:53pm Wed 6 Feb 13

stench says...

anyone rememebr the days where we were encouraged to use public transport?

Them morals have since gone... Fook the environment!
anyone rememebr the days where we were encouraged to use public transport? Them morals have since gone... Fook the environment! stench
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4:54pm Wed 6 Feb 13

mark@greenhill says...

Amazing, that the same old labour mentality of Nationalisation, still finds favour with some people.

They must have very short memories.
British Rail, Council owned bus companies, the list goes on, all of them were closed, because once you have a transport system running at a loss, just to provide a service to a few. You end up with the hardworking majority paying for a few to have cheap travel.
Couple that, with the unions view of state owned transport as a cushy ride for life, and you have a recipe for disaster.
all transport should be taken off the taxpayers back, & if it does not pay, it should be scrapped.
Amazing, that the same old labour mentality of Nationalisation, still finds favour with some people. They must have very short memories. British Rail, Council owned bus companies, the list goes on, all of them were closed, because once you have a transport system running at a loss, just to provide a service to a few. You end up with the hardworking majority paying for a few to have cheap travel. Couple that, with the unions view of state owned transport as a cushy ride for life, and you have a recipe for disaster. all transport should be taken off the taxpayers back, & if it does not pay, it should be scrapped. mark@greenhill
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5:18pm Wed 6 Feb 13

bobby1966 says...

stench wrote:
bobby1966 wrote:
stench wrote: what about when all hospitals are made private? Do we allow services to be scrapped cos the reimburtment isnt enough? The people against it are clearly those not in need of a bus...
i think most of you people seem to think the council still own the buses. first is a private company who operate a buisness . why should a company make a loss each month of thousands to please a few people . you people of southill had your chance at the start of last year. if i remember right first were going to alter the route to try and make it pay ,you had the manager from first up there and lobbied the papers and so on saying we will catch the bus and use it more. so first left it as it was and nothing changed still low numbers and not enough people using them so you really only have yourself to blame. just like the people of broadway/upwey they have moaned to the echo ,the company and so on .so first have now given them back there bus and even up until midnight now lets see if these regulars from there actually catch the bus now because if they dont IT WILL BE GONE they are being given the chance. think about for a minute who would operate a company at a loss
I think you assume wrong...

The council USED to own them, yes. But why privatise?

It'll be the same lame excuses that we'll have when all hospitals become private. then what after that?

It's like the owner of RyanAir is giving Cameron & co tips on how to strip back to basics, take away liabilty and let the people put up with the crap.

I'll vote for a party that wants to run the country. not one that passes the risk to private companies, in a coawardly effort to avoid fuuture responsibilities...
but thats for another matter ryanair has nothing to do with the number 5 lol .

i understand what youre saying about make a little loss here and there and go on overall profit.

but each first depot area is on its own each depot has to make a profit to be viable.

and the number 5 route was not just making a little loss it was totally hemorrahaging money to an amount that could have serious affects on other routes .

the 3,4,and 8 already operate at a very small profit but the losses on the 5 was almost wiping out that totally.

do you think another comapny is just going to step in and say we will do it and dont mind paying thousands a month to run. i think not .

if blame is to be laid then lets look at the real reasons and not just first .

1. the council have a budget on which to proportion monies into the community .THEY CHOOSE TO CUT BACK ON SUBSIDY FOR TRANSPORT. they decided that building stupid stones on an island and laser lights are more important.

2. the government enticed the bus companies into all this free travel at the start with a decent rate for each pass this has dwindled over the years to an amount that is just to low .

3. i have said it all along let the free passes pay half and the government work out roughly what it spends on free travel reimbursement each year and adds that onto the winter fuel allowence .

a pensioner will more than likely appriciate a bit more help to keep warm in the winter than a free trip to town in the snow and the rain and its not as if the utility companies cant afford it from their billions of pounds profit
[quote][p][bold]stench[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bobby1966[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stench[/bold] wrote: what about when all hospitals are made private? Do we allow services to be scrapped cos the reimburtment isnt enough? The people against it are clearly those not in need of a bus...[/p][/quote]i think most of you people seem to think the council still own the buses. first is a private company who operate a buisness . why should a company make a loss each month of thousands to please a few people . you people of southill had your chance at the start of last year. if i remember right first were going to alter the route to try and make it pay ,you had the manager from first up there and lobbied the papers and so on saying we will catch the bus and use it more. so first left it as it was and nothing changed still low numbers and not enough people using them so you really only have yourself to blame. just like the people of broadway/upwey they have moaned to the echo ,the company and so on .so first have now given them back there bus and even up until midnight now lets see if these regulars from there actually catch the bus now because if they dont IT WILL BE GONE they are being given the chance. think about for a minute who would operate a company at a loss[/p][/quote]I think you assume wrong... The council USED to own them, yes. But why privatise? It'll be the same lame excuses that we'll have when all hospitals become private. then what after that? It's like the owner of RyanAir is giving Cameron & co tips on how to strip back to basics, take away liabilty and let the people put up with the crap. I'll vote for a party that wants to run the country. not one that passes the risk to private companies, in a coawardly effort to avoid fuuture responsibilities...[/p][/quote]but thats for another matter ryanair has nothing to do with the number 5 lol . i understand what youre saying about make a little loss here and there and go on overall profit. but each first depot area is on its own each depot has to make a profit to be viable. and the number 5 route was not just making a little loss it was totally hemorrahaging money to an amount that could have serious affects on other routes . the 3,4,and 8 already operate at a very small profit but the losses on the 5 was almost wiping out that totally. do you think another comapny is just going to step in and say we will do it and dont mind paying thousands a month to run. i think not . if blame is to be laid then lets look at the real reasons and not just first . 1. the council have a budget on which to proportion monies into the community .THEY CHOOSE TO CUT BACK ON SUBSIDY FOR TRANSPORT. they decided that building stupid stones on an island and laser lights are more important. 2. the government enticed the bus companies into all this free travel at the start with a decent rate for each pass this has dwindled over the years to an amount that is just to low . 3. i have said it all along let the free passes pay half and the government work out roughly what it spends on free travel reimbursement each year and adds that onto the winter fuel allowence . a pensioner will more than likely appriciate a bit more help to keep warm in the winter than a free trip to town in the snow and the rain and its not as if the utility companies cant afford it from their billions of pounds profit bobby1966
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5:22pm Wed 6 Feb 13

stench says...

mark@greenhill wrote:
Amazing, that the same old labour mentality of Nationalisation, still finds favour with some people. They must have very short memories. British Rail, Council owned bus companies, the list goes on, all of them were closed, because once you have a transport system running at a loss, just to provide a service to a few. You end up with the hardworking majority paying for a few to have cheap travel. Couple that, with the unions view of state owned transport as a cushy ride for life, and you have a recipe for disaster. all transport should be taken off the taxpayers back, & if it does not pay, it should be scrapped.
many people catch the bus and trains, even rely on them.

Dont be scared to go outside and see ;)
[quote][p][bold]mark@greenhill[/bold] wrote: Amazing, that the same old labour mentality of Nationalisation, still finds favour with some people. They must have very short memories. British Rail, Council owned bus companies, the list goes on, all of them were closed, because once you have a transport system running at a loss, just to provide a service to a few. You end up with the hardworking majority paying for a few to have cheap travel. Couple that, with the unions view of state owned transport as a cushy ride for life, and you have a recipe for disaster. all transport should be taken off the taxpayers back, & if it does not pay, it should be scrapped.[/p][/quote]many people catch the bus and trains, even rely on them. Dont be scared to go outside and see ;) stench
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5:25pm Wed 6 Feb 13

stench says...

bobby1966 wrote:
stench wrote:
bobby1966 wrote:
stench wrote: what about when all hospitals are made private? Do we allow services to be scrapped cos the reimburtment isnt enough? The people against it are clearly those not in need of a bus...
i think most of you people seem to think the council still own the buses. first is a private company who operate a buisness . why should a company make a loss each month of thousands to please a few people . you people of southill had your chance at the start of last year. if i remember right first were going to alter the route to try and make it pay ,you had the manager from first up there and lobbied the papers and so on saying we will catch the bus and use it more. so first left it as it was and nothing changed still low numbers and not enough people using them so you really only have yourself to blame. just like the people of broadway/upwey they have moaned to the echo ,the company and so on .so first have now given them back there bus and even up until midnight now lets see if these regulars from there actually catch the bus now because if they dont IT WILL BE GONE they are being given the chance. think about for a minute who would operate a company at a loss
I think you assume wrong... The council USED to own them, yes. But why privatise? It'll be the same lame excuses that we'll have when all hospitals become private. then what after that? It's like the owner of RyanAir is giving Cameron & co tips on how to strip back to basics, take away liabilty and let the people put up with the crap. I'll vote for a party that wants to run the country. not one that passes the risk to private companies, in a coawardly effort to avoid fuuture responsibilities...
but thats for another matter ryanair has nothing to do with the number 5 lol . i understand what youre saying about make a little loss here and there and go on overall profit. but each first depot area is on its own each depot has to make a profit to be viable. and the number 5 route was not just making a little loss it was totally hemorrahaging money to an amount that could have serious affects on other routes . the 3,4,and 8 already operate at a very small profit but the losses on the 5 was almost wiping out that totally. do you think another comapny is just going to step in and say we will do it and dont mind paying thousands a month to run. i think not . if blame is to be laid then lets look at the real reasons and not just first . 1. the council have a budget on which to proportion monies into the community .THEY CHOOSE TO CUT BACK ON SUBSIDY FOR TRANSPORT. they decided that building stupid stones on an island and laser lights are more important. 2. the government enticed the bus companies into all this free travel at the start with a decent rate for each pass this has dwindled over the years to an amount that is just to low . 3. i have said it all along let the free passes pay half and the government work out roughly what it spends on free travel reimbursement each year and adds that onto the winter fuel allowence . a pensioner will more than likely appriciate a bit more help to keep warm in the winter than a free trip to town in the snow and the rain and its not as if the utility companies cant afford it from their billions of pounds profit
What a great response. cant argue with much of that, especially the last bit (I remember hearing OAPs would use the X53 for nothing more than the heat it provides).

But I think First is an example of a poorly run company... It's about being lean, not mean ;) (impresed myself with that line)
[quote][p][bold]bobby1966[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stench[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bobby1966[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stench[/bold] wrote: what about when all hospitals are made private? Do we allow services to be scrapped cos the reimburtment isnt enough? The people against it are clearly those not in need of a bus...[/p][/quote]i think most of you people seem to think the council still own the buses. first is a private company who operate a buisness . why should a company make a loss each month of thousands to please a few people . you people of southill had your chance at the start of last year. if i remember right first were going to alter the route to try and make it pay ,you had the manager from first up there and lobbied the papers and so on saying we will catch the bus and use it more. so first left it as it was and nothing changed still low numbers and not enough people using them so you really only have yourself to blame. just like the people of broadway/upwey they have moaned to the echo ,the company and so on .so first have now given them back there bus and even up until midnight now lets see if these regulars from there actually catch the bus now because if they dont IT WILL BE GONE they are being given the chance. think about for a minute who would operate a company at a loss[/p][/quote]I think you assume wrong... The council USED to own them, yes. But why privatise? It'll be the same lame excuses that we'll have when all hospitals become private. then what after that? It's like the owner of RyanAir is giving Cameron & co tips on how to strip back to basics, take away liabilty and let the people put up with the crap. I'll vote for a party that wants to run the country. not one that passes the risk to private companies, in a coawardly effort to avoid fuuture responsibilities...[/p][/quote]but thats for another matter ryanair has nothing to do with the number 5 lol . i understand what youre saying about make a little loss here and there and go on overall profit. but each first depot area is on its own each depot has to make a profit to be viable. and the number 5 route was not just making a little loss it was totally hemorrahaging money to an amount that could have serious affects on other routes . the 3,4,and 8 already operate at a very small profit but the losses on the 5 was almost wiping out that totally. do you think another comapny is just going to step in and say we will do it and dont mind paying thousands a month to run. i think not . if blame is to be laid then lets look at the real reasons and not just first . 1. the council have a budget on which to proportion monies into the community .THEY CHOOSE TO CUT BACK ON SUBSIDY FOR TRANSPORT. they decided that building stupid stones on an island and laser lights are more important. 2. the government enticed the bus companies into all this free travel at the start with a decent rate for each pass this has dwindled over the years to an amount that is just to low . 3. i have said it all along let the free passes pay half and the government work out roughly what it spends on free travel reimbursement each year and adds that onto the winter fuel allowence . a pensioner will more than likely appriciate a bit more help to keep warm in the winter than a free trip to town in the snow and the rain and its not as if the utility companies cant afford it from their billions of pounds profit[/p][/quote]What a great response. cant argue with much of that, especially the last bit (I remember hearing OAPs would use the X53 for nothing more than the heat it provides). But I think First is an example of a poorly run company... It's about being lean, not mean ;) (impresed myself with that line) stench
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5:26pm Wed 6 Feb 13

stench says...

*impressed for those spell checker types ;)
*impressed for those spell checker types ;) stench
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5:53pm Wed 6 Feb 13

bobby1966 says...

stench wrote:
bobby1966 wrote:
stench wrote:
bobby1966 wrote:
stench wrote: what about when all hospitals are made private? Do we allow services to be scrapped cos the reimburtment isnt enough? The people against it are clearly those not in need of a bus...
i think most of you people seem to think the council still own the buses. first is a private company who operate a buisness . why should a company make a loss each month of thousands to please a few people . you people of southill had your chance at the start of last year. if i remember right first were going to alter the route to try and make it pay ,you had the manager from first up there and lobbied the papers and so on saying we will catch the bus and use it more. so first left it as it was and nothing changed still low numbers and not enough people using them so you really only have yourself to blame. just like the people of broadway/upwey they have moaned to the echo ,the company and so on .so first have now given them back there bus and even up until midnight now lets see if these regulars from there actually catch the bus now because if they dont IT WILL BE GONE they are being given the chance. think about for a minute who would operate a company at a loss
I think you assume wrong... The council USED to own them, yes. But why privatise? It'll be the same lame excuses that we'll have when all hospitals become private. then what after that? It's like the owner of RyanAir is giving Cameron & co tips on how to strip back to basics, take away liabilty and let the people put up with the crap. I'll vote for a party that wants to run the country. not one that passes the risk to private companies, in a coawardly effort to avoid fuuture responsibilities...
but thats for another matter ryanair has nothing to do with the number 5 lol . i understand what youre saying about make a little loss here and there and go on overall profit. but each first depot area is on its own each depot has to make a profit to be viable. and the number 5 route was not just making a little loss it was totally hemorrahaging money to an amount that could have serious affects on other routes . the 3,4,and 8 already operate at a very small profit but the losses on the 5 was almost wiping out that totally. do you think another comapny is just going to step in and say we will do it and dont mind paying thousands a month to run. i think not . if blame is to be laid then lets look at the real reasons and not just first . 1. the council have a budget on which to proportion monies into the community .THEY CHOOSE TO CUT BACK ON SUBSIDY FOR TRANSPORT. they decided that building stupid stones on an island and laser lights are more important. 2. the government enticed the bus companies into all this free travel at the start with a decent rate for each pass this has dwindled over the years to an amount that is just to low . 3. i have said it all along let the free passes pay half and the government work out roughly what it spends on free travel reimbursement each year and adds that onto the winter fuel allowence . a pensioner will more than likely appriciate a bit more help to keep warm in the winter than a free trip to town in the snow and the rain and its not as if the utility companies cant afford it from their billions of pounds profit
What a great response. cant argue with much of that, especially the last bit (I remember hearing OAPs would use the X53 for nothing more than the heat it provides).

But I think First is an example of a poorly run company... It's about being lean, not mean ;) (impresed myself with that line)
lol yeah ill save that line for future use :).

as for first they know they have made a balls up the last few years and are now trying to make things better. if they do or not only time will tell.

apartfrom the number 5 lets look at the positives ?

more number 1 and going to seafront (75 per cent of passengers on number 1 actually goto the seafront or the bus stops there)

improved number 4 service and an evening service.

improved 3 and 8 better times to enable better reliability hopefully.

number 10s now going broadway/upwey and evening service until midnight (last bus from dorch is 23:55pm ) so better service to the hospital for visitors/nurses working .better access to the new cinema and restaurants .

an extra littlemoor bus and portland bus in the evenings

yes they have cut the 5/5a and the 4 to sutton poyntz but these buses were empty 80 per cent of the time.

most of these changes have been made to better the services people actually use so lets just wait and see.

its shame the only things you hear on here are the bad i am sure there are many people who think the changes are great but will just think about time instead of coming on here and posting
[quote][p][bold]stench[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bobby1966[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stench[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bobby1966[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stench[/bold] wrote: what about when all hospitals are made private? Do we allow services to be scrapped cos the reimburtment isnt enough? The people against it are clearly those not in need of a bus...[/p][/quote]i think most of you people seem to think the council still own the buses. first is a private company who operate a buisness . why should a company make a loss each month of thousands to please a few people . you people of southill had your chance at the start of last year. if i remember right first were going to alter the route to try and make it pay ,you had the manager from first up there and lobbied the papers and so on saying we will catch the bus and use it more. so first left it as it was and nothing changed still low numbers and not enough people using them so you really only have yourself to blame. just like the people of broadway/upwey they have moaned to the echo ,the company and so on .so first have now given them back there bus and even up until midnight now lets see if these regulars from there actually catch the bus now because if they dont IT WILL BE GONE they are being given the chance. think about for a minute who would operate a company at a loss[/p][/quote]I think you assume wrong... The council USED to own them, yes. But why privatise? It'll be the same lame excuses that we'll have when all hospitals become private. then what after that? It's like the owner of RyanAir is giving Cameron & co tips on how to strip back to basics, take away liabilty and let the people put up with the crap. I'll vote for a party that wants to run the country. not one that passes the risk to private companies, in a coawardly effort to avoid fuuture responsibilities...[/p][/quote]but thats for another matter ryanair has nothing to do with the number 5 lol . i understand what youre saying about make a little loss here and there and go on overall profit. but each first depot area is on its own each depot has to make a profit to be viable. and the number 5 route was not just making a little loss it was totally hemorrahaging money to an amount that could have serious affects on other routes . the 3,4,and 8 already operate at a very small profit but the losses on the 5 was almost wiping out that totally. do you think another comapny is just going to step in and say we will do it and dont mind paying thousands a month to run. i think not . if blame is to be laid then lets look at the real reasons and not just first . 1. the council have a budget on which to proportion monies into the community .THEY CHOOSE TO CUT BACK ON SUBSIDY FOR TRANSPORT. they decided that building stupid stones on an island and laser lights are more important. 2. the government enticed the bus companies into all this free travel at the start with a decent rate for each pass this has dwindled over the years to an amount that is just to low . 3. i have said it all along let the free passes pay half and the government work out roughly what it spends on free travel reimbursement each year and adds that onto the winter fuel allowence . a pensioner will more than likely appriciate a bit more help to keep warm in the winter than a free trip to town in the snow and the rain and its not as if the utility companies cant afford it from their billions of pounds profit[/p][/quote]What a great response. cant argue with much of that, especially the last bit (I remember hearing OAPs would use the X53 for nothing more than the heat it provides). But I think First is an example of a poorly run company... It's about being lean, not mean ;) (impresed myself with that line)[/p][/quote]lol yeah ill save that line for future use :). as for first they know they have made a balls up the last few years and are now trying to make things better. if they do or not only time will tell. apartfrom the number 5 lets look at the positives ? more number 1 and going to seafront (75 per cent of passengers on number 1 actually goto the seafront or the bus stops there) improved number 4 service and an evening service. improved 3 and 8 better times to enable better reliability hopefully. number 10s now going broadway/upwey and evening service until midnight (last bus from dorch is 23:55pm ) so better service to the hospital for visitors/nurses working .better access to the new cinema and restaurants . an extra littlemoor bus and portland bus in the evenings yes they have cut the 5/5a and the 4 to sutton poyntz but these buses were empty 80 per cent of the time. most of these changes have been made to better the services people actually use so lets just wait and see. its shame the only things you hear on here are the bad i am sure there are many people who think the changes are great but will just think about time instead of coming on here and posting bobby1966
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6:03pm Wed 6 Feb 13

mark@greenhill says...

As a driver, I have lost count of the times that I pull up next to a bus at the lights, where the only person on it is the driver.

Patiently he sits there, burning fuel, with the heaters on, only to move on to the next stop where nobody is waiting.

And you wonder why First Bus is axing the services ?

You can argue about the subsidies, the timetables or the reliability of services, but the end result, is that, if insufficient people use the bus, they have to be withdrawn.

Public transport running empty must burn more fuel than many, many cars.
As a driver, I have lost count of the times that I pull up next to a bus at the lights, where the only person on it is the driver. Patiently he sits there, burning fuel, with the heaters on, only to move on to the next stop where nobody is waiting. And you wonder why First Bus is axing the services ? You can argue about the subsidies, the timetables or the reliability of services, but the end result, is that, if insufficient people use the bus, they have to be withdrawn. Public transport running empty must burn more fuel than many, many cars. mark@greenhill
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6:08pm Wed 6 Feb 13

why dont you get a job? says...

Mark@Greenhill 4.54.....All the routes that First Group operate in Weymouth,Bridport and Yeovil are run commercially and are not supported in any way by the taxpayer except for the concessionary pass payments which is a national directive from central goverment.The routes that do not justify continual losses are being cut.Thats exactly what the conservative goverment believe in ''free enterprise'' as long as a profit is made people are secondary.Dont forget it was Thatcher who de-regulated all the transport systems in this country so the shareholders make the money while its there and when its not cuts and closures follow.Are you trying to tell me that the bus/train conglomerates are doing a better job than british rail or southern national,if you are youre having a laugh.Stop blaming labour voters for the mess the infastructure on transport is in ,look to your hero the witch known as Thatcher is where the buck stops
Mark@Greenhill 4.54.....All the routes that First Group operate in Weymouth,Bridport and Yeovil [apart from the 387] are run commercially and are not supported in any way by the taxpayer except for the concessionary pass payments which is a national directive from central goverment.The routes that do not justify continual losses are being cut.Thats exactly what the conservative goverment believe in ''free enterprise'' as long as a profit is made people are secondary.Dont forget it was Thatcher who de-regulated all the transport systems in this country so the shareholders make the money while its there and when its not cuts and closures follow.Are you trying to tell me that the bus/train conglomerates are doing a better job than british rail or southern national,if you are youre having a laugh.Stop blaming labour voters for the mess the infastructure on transport is in ,look to your hero the witch known as Thatcher is where the buck stops why dont you get a job?
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6:44pm Wed 6 Feb 13

mark@greenhill says...

why dont you get a job? wrote:
Mark@Greenhill 4.54.....All the routes that First Group operate in Weymouth,Bridport and Yeovil are run commercially and are not supported in any way by the taxpayer except for the concessionary pass payments which is a national directive from central goverment.The routes that do not justify continual losses are being cut.Thats exactly what the conservative goverment believe in ''free enterprise'' as long as a profit is made people are secondary.Dont forget it was Thatcher who de-regulated all the transport systems in this country so the shareholders make the money while its there and when its not cuts and closures follow.Are you trying to tell me that the bus/train conglomerates are doing a better job than british rail or southern national,if you are youre having a laugh.Stop blaming labour voters for the mess the infastructure on transport is in ,look to your hero the witch known as Thatcher is where the buck stops
Same old tired arguments, from the long dead Labour party.

All Mrs Thatcher did, was tackle the lazy, controlling workshy unions, that tried to run this country on the basis that the Govt did what they said, or there would be mass strikes.

I'm astounded than anyone would ever wish to go back to those days?

As for British Rail, they were laughably awful at doing anything, mainly due to the unions bringing them to a standstill the moment anyone tried to drag them kicking and screaming into the 19th century.

Overprotected positions for life, overinflated salaries & pensions coupled to diabolical service, that is all nationalised industry got us.

My guess is, that you were one of thos workers that got made to find employment in the real world, which is why you despise the Conservatives so much?
[quote][p][bold]why dont you get a job?[/bold] wrote: Mark@Greenhill 4.54.....All the routes that First Group operate in Weymouth,Bridport and Yeovil [apart from the 387] are run commercially and are not supported in any way by the taxpayer except for the concessionary pass payments which is a national directive from central goverment.The routes that do not justify continual losses are being cut.Thats exactly what the conservative goverment believe in ''free enterprise'' as long as a profit is made people are secondary.Dont forget it was Thatcher who de-regulated all the transport systems in this country so the shareholders make the money while its there and when its not cuts and closures follow.Are you trying to tell me that the bus/train conglomerates are doing a better job than british rail or southern national,if you are youre having a laugh.Stop blaming labour voters for the mess the infastructure on transport is in ,look to your hero the witch known as Thatcher is where the buck stops[/p][/quote]Same old tired arguments, from the long dead Labour party. All Mrs Thatcher did, was tackle the lazy, controlling workshy unions, that tried to run this country on the basis that the Govt did what they said, or there would be mass strikes. I'm astounded than anyone would ever wish to go back to those days? As for British Rail, they were laughably awful at doing anything, mainly due to the unions bringing them to a standstill the moment anyone tried to drag them kicking and screaming into the 19th century. Overprotected positions for life, overinflated salaries & pensions coupled to diabolical service, that is all nationalised industry got us. My guess is, that you were one of thos workers that got made to find employment in the real world, which is why you despise the Conservatives so much? mark@greenhill
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6:44pm Wed 6 Feb 13

Simon Nicholas says...

When part of the nationalised NBC (and before deregulation), Southern/ Western National survived on an annual hand out from local government to provide a comprehensive network of services in the area. If this was still the case now, the network would have to have been savagely cut due to the limited money now available for this kind of service.

Following deregulation, the privitised Southern National was a very small transport group that was underfunded, had an ancient fleet, and had little cash to replace it. Had they not sold to First, they would be making similar decisions about dropping routes now. Otherwise they would have faced liquidation.

All these routes being dropped (Sutton Poyntz, Radipole, Southill, parts of Preston and (possibly) Portland Bill, can be registered by any other bus or coach operator - nobody, large or small will touch them with a bargepole however for the same reason that First are withdrawing them.

Simon N.
When part of the nationalised NBC (and before deregulation), Southern/ Western National survived on an annual hand out from local government to provide a comprehensive network of services in the area. If this was still the case now, the network would have to have been savagely cut due to the limited money now available for this kind of service. Following deregulation, the privitised Southern National was a very small transport group that was underfunded, had an ancient fleet, and had little cash to replace it. Had they not sold to First, they would be making similar decisions about dropping routes now. Otherwise they would have faced liquidation. All these routes being dropped (Sutton Poyntz, Radipole, Southill, parts of Preston and (possibly) Portland Bill, can be registered by any other bus or coach operator - nobody, large or small will touch them with a bargepole however for the same reason that First are withdrawing them. Simon N. Simon Nicholas
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7:08pm Wed 6 Feb 13

Mrs Grumps says...

Why, for the locals, is going to the seafront better than Debenhams? For shopping, Debenhams is more central and better if you've shopping to carry.
I sometimes prefer to go on the bus because it is easier than driving in.


I agree with comments that say the half-fare for pensioners should have been kept and, certainly, the free pass should never have been extended to countrywide travel.


Many pensioners have to give up driving for medical reasons and need buses to get around and half-fare would be a help. Many pensions don't go as far as salaries or weekly wages. Since my hubby retired, we have felt quite a difference in our income and, thanks to successive government policies, I have to work nearly five years more than I thought I would have to before getting my pension, which is particularly galling, as I paid in extra contributions to make it up to a full one, not relying solely on my husband's contributions.

I drive at the moment but can see a day when I shall rely on the buses.

For me (paying)and my hubby, who is enjoying his pass, the improvement to the 8 will be good. I don't see why Portland is so favoured. We froze for over an hour last week waiting for an 8 after a visit to the cinema, while 4 Portland buses passed us at Debenhams. The explanation given by the driver of the bus that eventually came didn't make sense. He also insisted he had been told to wait a further 8 minutes! He was lucky we and all the others waiting were terribly British and not willing to make a fuss.
Why, for the locals, is going to the seafront better than Debenhams? For shopping, Debenhams is more central and better if you've shopping to carry. I sometimes prefer to go on the bus because it is easier than driving in. I agree with comments that say the half-fare for pensioners should have been kept and, certainly, the free pass should never have been extended to countrywide travel. Many pensioners have to give up driving for medical reasons and need buses to get around and half-fare would be a help. Many pensions don't go as far as salaries or weekly wages. Since my hubby retired, we have felt quite a difference in our income and, thanks to successive government policies, I have to work nearly five years more than I thought I would have to before getting my pension, which is particularly galling, as I paid in extra contributions to make it up to a full one, not relying solely on my husband's contributions. I drive at the moment but can see a day when I shall rely on the buses. For me (paying)and my hubby, who is enjoying his pass, the improvement to the 8 will be good. I don't see why Portland is so favoured. We froze for over an hour last week waiting for an 8 after a visit to the cinema, while 4 Portland buses passed us at Debenhams. The explanation given by the driver of the bus that eventually came didn't make sense. He also insisted he had been told to wait a further 8 minutes! He was lucky we and all the others waiting were terribly British and not willing to make a fuss. Mrs Grumps
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7:31pm Wed 6 Feb 13

malkie says...

There have been lots of comments here, some valid, others not so much, but the fact remains that First have made these decisions and they will stick to them as there is no more money left from anywhere to persuade them to do otherwise.
There have been lots of comments here, some valid, others not so much, but the fact remains that First have made these decisions and they will stick to them as there is no more money left from anywhere to persuade them to do otherwise. malkie
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8:08pm Wed 6 Feb 13

JamesYoung says...

Simon Nicholas wrote:
When part of the nationalised NBC (and before deregulation), Southern/ Western National survived on an annual hand out from local government to provide a comprehensive network of services in the area. If this was still the case now, the network would have to have been savagely cut due to the limited money now available for this kind of service. Following deregulation, the privitised Southern National was a very small transport group that was underfunded, had an ancient fleet, and had little cash to replace it. Had they not sold to First, they would be making similar decisions about dropping routes now. Otherwise they would have faced liquidation. All these routes being dropped (Sutton Poyntz, Radipole, Southill, parts of Preston and (possibly) Portland Bill, can be registered by any other bus or coach operator - nobody, large or small will touch them with a bargepole however for the same reason that First are withdrawing them. Simon N.
With all the focus on the third sector, strikes me there is an opportunity here for a community group to talk to first about buying excess stock, then running a service themselves. Do all bus operators have to accept free passes?
[quote][p][bold]Simon Nicholas[/bold] wrote: When part of the nationalised NBC (and before deregulation), Southern/ Western National survived on an annual hand out from local government to provide a comprehensive network of services in the area. If this was still the case now, the network would have to have been savagely cut due to the limited money now available for this kind of service. Following deregulation, the privitised Southern National was a very small transport group that was underfunded, had an ancient fleet, and had little cash to replace it. Had they not sold to First, they would be making similar decisions about dropping routes now. Otherwise they would have faced liquidation. All these routes being dropped (Sutton Poyntz, Radipole, Southill, parts of Preston and (possibly) Portland Bill, can be registered by any other bus or coach operator - nobody, large or small will touch them with a bargepole however for the same reason that First are withdrawing them. Simon N.[/p][/quote]With all the focus on the third sector, strikes me there is an opportunity here for a community group to talk to first about buying excess stock, then running a service themselves. Do all bus operators have to accept free passes? JamesYoung
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9:11pm Wed 6 Feb 13

why dont you get a job? says...

mark@greenhill wrote:
why dont you get a job? wrote:
Mark@Greenhill 4.54.....All the routes that First Group operate in Weymouth,Bridport and Yeovil are run commercially and are not supported in any way by the taxpayer except for the concessionary pass payments which is a national directive from central goverment.The routes that do not justify continual losses are being cut.Thats exactly what the conservative goverment believe in ''free enterprise'' as long as a profit is made people are secondary.Dont forget it was Thatcher who de-regulated all the transport systems in this country so the shareholders make the money while its there and when its not cuts and closures follow.Are you trying to tell me that the bus/train conglomerates are doing a better job than british rail or southern national,if you are youre having a laugh.Stop blaming labour voters for the mess the infastructure on transport is in ,look to your hero the witch known as Thatcher is where the buck stops
Same old tired arguments, from the long dead Labour party.

All Mrs Thatcher did, was tackle the lazy, controlling workshy unions, that tried to run this country on the basis that the Govt did what they said, or there would be mass strikes.

I'm astounded than anyone would ever wish to go back to those days?

As for British Rail, they were laughably awful at doing anything, mainly due to the unions bringing them to a standstill the moment anyone tried to drag them kicking and screaming into the 19th century.

Overprotected positions for life, overinflated salaries & pensions coupled to diabolical service, that is all nationalised industry got us.

My guess is, that you were one of thos workers that got made to find employment in the real world, which is why you despise the Conservatives so much?
Noodle bloke,
Couldnt be more wrong i left school at 16 am now 54 and worked every day of my life in london in the photographic industry until being laid off 6 years ago when i moved here to look for work. FYI i was a higher rate tax payer on£84k p.a.I have morals which you seen to be lacking.I'm almost sure you dont live in subsidised housing or have any scruples about putting profits before humanity.Any chance you have/had a ''rich'' mummy or daddy?
[quote][p][bold]mark@greenhill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]why dont you get a job?[/bold] wrote: Mark@Greenhill 4.54.....All the routes that First Group operate in Weymouth,Bridport and Yeovil [apart from the 387] are run commercially and are not supported in any way by the taxpayer except for the concessionary pass payments which is a national directive from central goverment.The routes that do not justify continual losses are being cut.Thats exactly what the conservative goverment believe in ''free enterprise'' as long as a profit is made people are secondary.Dont forget it was Thatcher who de-regulated all the transport systems in this country so the shareholders make the money while its there and when its not cuts and closures follow.Are you trying to tell me that the bus/train conglomerates are doing a better job than british rail or southern national,if you are youre having a laugh.Stop blaming labour voters for the mess the infastructure on transport is in ,look to your hero the witch known as Thatcher is where the buck stops[/p][/quote]Same old tired arguments, from the long dead Labour party. All Mrs Thatcher did, was tackle the lazy, controlling workshy unions, that tried to run this country on the basis that the Govt did what they said, or there would be mass strikes. I'm astounded than anyone would ever wish to go back to those days? As for British Rail, they were laughably awful at doing anything, mainly due to the unions bringing them to a standstill the moment anyone tried to drag them kicking and screaming into the 19th century. Overprotected positions for life, overinflated salaries & pensions coupled to diabolical service, that is all nationalised industry got us. My guess is, that you were one of thos workers that got made to find employment in the real world, which is why you despise the Conservatives so much?[/p][/quote]Noodle bloke, Couldnt be more wrong i left school at 16 am now 54 and worked every day of my life in london in the photographic industry until being laid off 6 years ago when i moved here to look for work. FYI i was a higher rate tax payer on£84k p.a.I have morals which you seen to be lacking.I'm almost sure you dont live in subsidised housing or have any scruples about putting profits before humanity.Any chance you have/had a ''rich'' [for these parts] mummy or daddy? why dont you get a job?
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9:18pm Wed 6 Feb 13

why dont you get a job? says...

mark@greenhill wrote:
why dont you get a job? wrote:
Mark@Greenhill 4.54.....All the routes that First Group operate in Weymouth,Bridport and Yeovil are run commercially and are not supported in any way by the taxpayer except for the concessionary pass payments which is a national directive from central goverment.The routes that do not justify continual losses are being cut.Thats exactly what the conservative goverment believe in ''free enterprise'' as long as a profit is made people are secondary.Dont forget it was Thatcher who de-regulated all the transport systems in this country so the shareholders make the money while its there and when its not cuts and closures follow.Are you trying to tell me that the bus/train conglomerates are doing a better job than british rail or southern national,if you are youre having a laugh.Stop blaming labour voters for the mess the infastructure on transport is in ,look to your hero the witch known as Thatcher is where the buck stops
Same old tired arguments, from the long dead Labour party.

All Mrs Thatcher did, was tackle the lazy, controlling workshy unions, that tried to run this country on the basis that the Govt did what they said, or there would be mass strikes.

I'm astounded than anyone would ever wish to go back to those days?

As for British Rail, they were laughably awful at doing anything, mainly due to the unions bringing them to a standstill the moment anyone tried to drag them kicking and screaming into the 19th century.

Overprotected positions for life, overinflated salaries & pensions coupled to diabolical service, that is all nationalised industry got us.

My guess is, that you were one of thos workers that got made to find employment in the real world, which is why you despise the Conservatives so much?
I have always worked, not here but in london Ran my own business and earnt more than a living wage of£84k pa.But i lived in the real world and had friends on teeside and saw the devestation caused by Thatcher..Point of note the REAL WORLD is outside of Dorset,Did you perchance have a quite well off mummy and daddy?
[quote][p][bold]mark@greenhill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]why dont you get a job?[/bold] wrote: Mark@Greenhill 4.54.....All the routes that First Group operate in Weymouth,Bridport and Yeovil [apart from the 387] are run commercially and are not supported in any way by the taxpayer except for the concessionary pass payments which is a national directive from central goverment.The routes that do not justify continual losses are being cut.Thats exactly what the conservative goverment believe in ''free enterprise'' as long as a profit is made people are secondary.Dont forget it was Thatcher who de-regulated all the transport systems in this country so the shareholders make the money while its there and when its not cuts and closures follow.Are you trying to tell me that the bus/train conglomerates are doing a better job than british rail or southern national,if you are youre having a laugh.Stop blaming labour voters for the mess the infastructure on transport is in ,look to your hero the witch known as Thatcher is where the buck stops[/p][/quote]Same old tired arguments, from the long dead Labour party. All Mrs Thatcher did, was tackle the lazy, controlling workshy unions, that tried to run this country on the basis that the Govt did what they said, or there would be mass strikes. I'm astounded than anyone would ever wish to go back to those days? As for British Rail, they were laughably awful at doing anything, mainly due to the unions bringing them to a standstill the moment anyone tried to drag them kicking and screaming into the 19th century. Overprotected positions for life, overinflated salaries & pensions coupled to diabolical service, that is all nationalised industry got us. My guess is, that you were one of thos workers that got made to find employment in the real world, which is why you despise the Conservatives so much?[/p][/quote]I have always worked, not here but in london Ran my own business and earnt more than a living wage of£84k pa.But i lived in the real world and had friends on teeside and saw the devestation caused by Thatcher..Point of note the REAL WORLD is outside of Dorset,Did you perchance have a quite well off mummy and daddy? why dont you get a job?
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9:25pm Wed 6 Feb 13

why dont you get a job? says...

JamesYoung wrote:
Simon Nicholas wrote:
When part of the nationalised NBC (and before deregulation), Southern/ Western National survived on an annual hand out from local government to provide a comprehensive network of services in the area. If this was still the case now, the network would have to have been savagely cut due to the limited money now available for this kind of service. Following deregulation, the privitised Southern National was a very small transport group that was underfunded, had an ancient fleet, and had little cash to replace it. Had they not sold to First, they would be making similar decisions about dropping routes now. Otherwise they would have faced liquidation. All these routes being dropped (Sutton Poyntz, Radipole, Southill, parts of Preston and (possibly) Portland Bill, can be registered by any other bus or coach operator - nobody, large or small will touch them with a bargepole however for the same reason that First are withdrawing them. Simon N.
With all the focus on the third sector, strikes me there is an opportunity here for a community group to talk to first about buying excess stock, then running a service themselves. Do all bus operators have to accept free passes?
Every bus company has to accept free passes,and if subsidised cannot undercut a commericially run service as it would be unfair competition
[quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Simon Nicholas[/bold] wrote: When part of the nationalised NBC (and before deregulation), Southern/ Western National survived on an annual hand out from local government to provide a comprehensive network of services in the area. If this was still the case now, the network would have to have been savagely cut due to the limited money now available for this kind of service. Following deregulation, the privitised Southern National was a very small transport group that was underfunded, had an ancient fleet, and had little cash to replace it. Had they not sold to First, they would be making similar decisions about dropping routes now. Otherwise they would have faced liquidation. All these routes being dropped (Sutton Poyntz, Radipole, Southill, parts of Preston and (possibly) Portland Bill, can be registered by any other bus or coach operator - nobody, large or small will touch them with a bargepole however for the same reason that First are withdrawing them. Simon N.[/p][/quote]With all the focus on the third sector, strikes me there is an opportunity here for a community group to talk to first about buying excess stock, then running a service themselves. Do all bus operators have to accept free passes?[/p][/quote]Every bus company has to accept free passes,and if subsidised cannot undercut a commericially run service as it would be unfair competition why dont you get a job?
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9:27pm Wed 6 Feb 13

why dont you get a job? says...

paddyash wrote:
i think its totally unfair, i live at southill, my whole road depends on that bus , most havent got a car, we have rights, a bus service however small, is well within our rights, you can not simply cut off a community, you must find a way around it, even if its only 2 buses a day, why should all of weymouth have a bus route, and southill has to suffer, im disgusted at first bus, and for all you folk out there who drive, think yourself lucky, there is a few of us you just cant afford to, SHAME ON YOU, UNFEELING IDIOTS AT FIRST BUS
Blame the council and goverment for the cuts. Why should a private company continue to lose thousands of pounds propping up an unviable route
[quote][p][bold]paddyash[/bold] wrote: i think its totally unfair, i live at southill, my whole road depends on that bus , most havent got a car, we have rights, a bus service however small, is well within our rights, you can not simply cut off a community, you must find a way around it, even if its only 2 buses a day, why should all of weymouth have a bus route, and southill has to suffer, im disgusted at first bus, and for all you folk out there who drive, think yourself lucky, there is a few of us you just cant afford to, SHAME ON YOU, UNFEELING IDIOTS AT FIRST BUS[/p][/quote]Blame the council and goverment for the cuts. Why should a private company continue to lose thousands of pounds propping up an unviable route why dont you get a job?
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11:58pm Wed 6 Feb 13

bobby1966 says...

paddyash wrote:
i think its totally unfair, i live at southill, my whole road depends on that bus , most havent got a car, we have rights, a bus service however small, is well within our rights, you can not simply cut off a community, you must find a way around it, even if its only 2 buses a day, why should all of weymouth have a bus route, and southill has to suffer, im disgusted at first bus, and for all you folk out there who drive, think yourself lucky, there is a few of us you just cant afford to, SHAME ON YOU, UNFEELING IDIOTS AT FIRST BUS
one question mate and please give an honest answer

you own your own company lets say fitting double glazing

5 years ago the government said to you from now on you will fit each pensioner or disabled household with free windows and we will give you 1500 per house,this is fine and you are making a nice profit .

5 years on and the government have now reduced that amount to 500 pound. so you are now making a loss for each one you are doing and your profits overall are taking a massive hit.

do you

a) stop taking on so many government windows and keep your full paying people happy and start to turn your company back around

b) keep losing money each month just to keep a few people happy but knowing in a couple or 3 years your company will be at a point of no return AND GO BUST

c) to keep your government grants you increase the prices by so much to your normal paying public to balance things out eventually you lose their custom and you GO BUST
[quote][p][bold]paddyash[/bold] wrote: i think its totally unfair, i live at southill, my whole road depends on that bus , most havent got a car, we have rights, a bus service however small, is well within our rights, you can not simply cut off a community, you must find a way around it, even if its only 2 buses a day, why should all of weymouth have a bus route, and southill has to suffer, im disgusted at first bus, and for all you folk out there who drive, think yourself lucky, there is a few of us you just cant afford to, SHAME ON YOU, UNFEELING IDIOTS AT FIRST BUS[/p][/quote]one question mate and please give an honest answer you own your own company lets say fitting double glazing 5 years ago the government said to you from now on you will fit each pensioner or disabled household with free windows and we will give you 1500 per house,this is fine and you are making a nice profit . 5 years on and the government have now reduced that amount to 500 pound. so you are now making a loss for each one you are doing and your profits overall are taking a massive hit. do you a) stop taking on so many government windows and keep your full paying people happy and start to turn your company back around b) keep losing money each month just to keep a few people happy but knowing in a couple or 3 years your company will be at a point of no return AND GO BUST c) to keep your government grants you increase the prices by so much to your normal paying public to balance things out eventually you lose their custom and you GO BUST bobby1966
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10:10am Thu 7 Feb 13

stench says...

bobby1966 wrote:
stench wrote:
bobby1966 wrote:
stench wrote:
bobby1966 wrote:
stench wrote: what about when all hospitals are made private? Do we allow services to be scrapped cos the reimburtment isnt enough? The people against it are clearly those not in need of a bus...
i think most of you people seem to think the council still own the buses. first is a private company who operate a buisness . why should a company make a loss each month of thousands to please a few people . you people of southill had your chance at the start of last year. if i remember right first were going to alter the route to try and make it pay ,you had the manager from first up there and lobbied the papers and so on saying we will catch the bus and use it more. so first left it as it was and nothing changed still low numbers and not enough people using them so you really only have yourself to blame. just like the people of broadway/upwey they have moaned to the echo ,the company and so on .so first have now given them back there bus and even up until midnight now lets see if these regulars from there actually catch the bus now because if they dont IT WILL BE GONE they are being given the chance. think about for a minute who would operate a company at a loss
I think you assume wrong... The council USED to own them, yes. But why privatise? It'll be the same lame excuses that we'll have when all hospitals become private. then what after that? It's like the owner of RyanAir is giving Cameron & co tips on how to strip back to basics, take away liabilty and let the people put up with the crap. I'll vote for a party that wants to run the country. not one that passes the risk to private companies, in a coawardly effort to avoid fuuture responsibilities...
but thats for another matter ryanair has nothing to do with the number 5 lol . i understand what youre saying about make a little loss here and there and go on overall profit. but each first depot area is on its own each depot has to make a profit to be viable. and the number 5 route was not just making a little loss it was totally hemorrahaging money to an amount that could have serious affects on other routes . the 3,4,and 8 already operate at a very small profit but the losses on the 5 was almost wiping out that totally. do you think another comapny is just going to step in and say we will do it and dont mind paying thousands a month to run. i think not . if blame is to be laid then lets look at the real reasons and not just first . 1. the council have a budget on which to proportion monies into the community .THEY CHOOSE TO CUT BACK ON SUBSIDY FOR TRANSPORT. they decided that building stupid stones on an island and laser lights are more important. 2. the government enticed the bus companies into all this free travel at the start with a decent rate for each pass this has dwindled over the years to an amount that is just to low . 3. i have said it all along let the free passes pay half and the government work out roughly what it spends on free travel reimbursement each year and adds that onto the winter fuel allowence . a pensioner will more than likely appriciate a bit more help to keep warm in the winter than a free trip to town in the snow and the rain and its not as if the utility companies cant afford it from their billions of pounds profit
What a great response. cant argue with much of that, especially the last bit (I remember hearing OAPs would use the X53 for nothing more than the heat it provides). But I think First is an example of a poorly run company... It's about being lean, not mean ;) (impresed myself with that line)
lol yeah ill save that line for future use :). as for first they know they have made a balls up the last few years and are now trying to make things better. if they do or not only time will tell. apartfrom the number 5 lets look at the positives ? more number 1 and going to seafront (75 per cent of passengers on number 1 actually goto the seafront or the bus stops there) improved number 4 service and an evening service. improved 3 and 8 better times to enable better reliability hopefully. number 10s now going broadway/upwey and evening service until midnight (last bus from dorch is 23:55pm ) so better service to the hospital for visitors/nurses working .better access to the new cinema and restaurants . an extra littlemoor bus and portland bus in the evenings yes they have cut the 5/5a and the 4 to sutton poyntz but these buses were empty 80 per cent of the time. most of these changes have been made to better the services people actually use so lets just wait and see. its shame the only things you hear on here are the bad i am sure there are many people who think the changes are great but will just think about time instead of coming on here and posting
First, take note! I do not know as much as it seems you do, regarding what services work at what times etc.

But if what you say is true, then sounds like big improvments could be made from your suggestions alone...
[quote][p][bold]bobby1966[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stench[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bobby1966[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stench[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bobby1966[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stench[/bold] wrote: what about when all hospitals are made private? Do we allow services to be scrapped cos the reimburtment isnt enough? The people against it are clearly those not in need of a bus...[/p][/quote]i think most of you people seem to think the council still own the buses. first is a private company who operate a buisness . why should a company make a loss each month of thousands to please a few people . you people of southill had your chance at the start of last year. if i remember right first were going to alter the route to try and make it pay ,you had the manager from first up there and lobbied the papers and so on saying we will catch the bus and use it more. so first left it as it was and nothing changed still low numbers and not enough people using them so you really only have yourself to blame. just like the people of broadway/upwey they have moaned to the echo ,the company and so on .so first have now given them back there bus and even up until midnight now lets see if these regulars from there actually catch the bus now because if they dont IT WILL BE GONE they are being given the chance. think about for a minute who would operate a company at a loss[/p][/quote]I think you assume wrong... The council USED to own them, yes. But why privatise? It'll be the same lame excuses that we'll have when all hospitals become private. then what after that? It's like the owner of RyanAir is giving Cameron & co tips on how to strip back to basics, take away liabilty and let the people put up with the crap. I'll vote for a party that wants to run the country. not one that passes the risk to private companies, in a coawardly effort to avoid fuuture responsibilities...[/p][/quote]but thats for another matter ryanair has nothing to do with the number 5 lol . i understand what youre saying about make a little loss here and there and go on overall profit. but each first depot area is on its own each depot has to make a profit to be viable. and the number 5 route was not just making a little loss it was totally hemorrahaging money to an amount that could have serious affects on other routes . the 3,4,and 8 already operate at a very small profit but the losses on the 5 was almost wiping out that totally. do you think another comapny is just going to step in and say we will do it and dont mind paying thousands a month to run. i think not . if blame is to be laid then lets look at the real reasons and not just first . 1. the council have a budget on which to proportion monies into the community .THEY CHOOSE TO CUT BACK ON SUBSIDY FOR TRANSPORT. they decided that building stupid stones on an island and laser lights are more important. 2. the government enticed the bus companies into all this free travel at the start with a decent rate for each pass this has dwindled over the years to an amount that is just to low . 3. i have said it all along let the free passes pay half and the government work out roughly what it spends on free travel reimbursement each year and adds that onto the winter fuel allowence . a pensioner will more than likely appriciate a bit more help to keep warm in the winter than a free trip to town in the snow and the rain and its not as if the utility companies cant afford it from their billions of pounds profit[/p][/quote]What a great response. cant argue with much of that, especially the last bit (I remember hearing OAPs would use the X53 for nothing more than the heat it provides). But I think First is an example of a poorly run company... It's about being lean, not mean ;) (impresed myself with that line)[/p][/quote]lol yeah ill save that line for future use :). as for first they know they have made a balls up the last few years and are now trying to make things better. if they do or not only time will tell. apartfrom the number 5 lets look at the positives ? more number 1 and going to seafront (75 per cent of passengers on number 1 actually goto the seafront or the bus stops there) improved number 4 service and an evening service. improved 3 and 8 better times to enable better reliability hopefully. number 10s now going broadway/upwey and evening service until midnight (last bus from dorch is 23:55pm ) so better service to the hospital for visitors/nurses working .better access to the new cinema and restaurants . an extra littlemoor bus and portland bus in the evenings yes they have cut the 5/5a and the 4 to sutton poyntz but these buses were empty 80 per cent of the time. most of these changes have been made to better the services people actually use so lets just wait and see. its shame the only things you hear on here are the bad i am sure there are many people who think the changes are great but will just think about time instead of coming on here and posting[/p][/quote]First, take note! I do not know as much as it seems you do, regarding what services work at what times etc. But if what you say is true, then sounds like big improvments could be made from your suggestions alone... stench
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10:12am Thu 7 Feb 13

stench says...

why dont you get a job? wrote:
Mark@Greenhill 4.54.....All the routes that First Group operate in Weymouth,Bridport and Yeovil are run commercially and are not supported in any way by the taxpayer except for the concessionary pass payments which is a national directive from central goverment.The routes that do not justify continual losses are being cut.Thats exactly what the conservative goverment believe in ''free enterprise'' as long as a profit is made people are secondary.Dont forget it was Thatcher who de-regulated all the transport systems in this country so the shareholders make the money while its there and when its not cuts and closures follow.Are you trying to tell me that the bus/train conglomerates are doing a better job than british rail or southern national,if you are youre having a laugh.Stop blaming labour voters for the mess the infastructure on transport is in ,look to your hero the witch known as Thatcher is where the buck stops
hahaha! "boy got owned" ;)
[quote][p][bold]why dont you get a job?[/bold] wrote: Mark@Greenhill 4.54.....All the routes that First Group operate in Weymouth,Bridport and Yeovil [apart from the 387] are run commercially and are not supported in any way by the taxpayer except for the concessionary pass payments which is a national directive from central goverment.The routes that do not justify continual losses are being cut.Thats exactly what the conservative goverment believe in ''free enterprise'' as long as a profit is made people are secondary.Dont forget it was Thatcher who de-regulated all the transport systems in this country so the shareholders make the money while its there and when its not cuts and closures follow.Are you trying to tell me that the bus/train conglomerates are doing a better job than british rail or southern national,if you are youre having a laugh.Stop blaming labour voters for the mess the infastructure on transport is in ,look to your hero the witch known as Thatcher is where the buck stops[/p][/quote]hahaha! "boy got owned" ;) stench
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11:15am Thu 7 Feb 13

Tactical says...

Thanks allot for axing the number 6 on wyke road , as im disabled i will now not be able to go to town i physically can not do so without the bus and my buss pass and cant afford taxis, thankyou you wonderfull people who seem to break things that are not broken.
Gary who drives the no:6 bus has been doing that route for years what has gotten into the people who make these new routes up.
You have ruined my life and as a direct result my life will be suffering 24/7 from this as i will become house bound.

Thanks again
Thanks allot for axing the number 6 on wyke road , as im disabled i will now not be able to go to town i physically can not do so without the bus and my buss pass and cant afford taxis, thankyou you wonderfull people who seem to break things that are not broken. Gary who drives the no:6 bus has been doing that route for years what has gotten into the people who make these new routes up. You have ruined my life and as a direct result my life will be suffering 24/7 from this as i will become house bound. Thanks again Tactical
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11:22am Thu 7 Feb 13

bobby1966 says...

Tactical wrote:
Thanks allot for axing the number 6 on wyke road , as im disabled i will now not be able to go to town i physically can not do so without the bus and my buss pass and cant afford taxis, thankyou you wonderfull people who seem to break things that are not broken.
Gary who drives the no:6 bus has been doing that route for years what has gotten into the people who make these new routes up.
You have ruined my life and as a direct result my life will be suffering 24/7 from this as i will become house bound.

Thanks again
tactical i have posted this link for you it is the weymouth and portland dial a ride council scheme which enables people who cant physically use local transport due to age/disability you need to get an application form and then your doctor needs to sign it , but then this will allow you to book a bus to pick you up from your door and take you to town and back. although it wont be as regular it will at least mean you can get out ...http://www.dorset
foryou.com/2507
[quote][p][bold]Tactical[/bold] wrote: Thanks allot for axing the number 6 on wyke road , as im disabled i will now not be able to go to town i physically can not do so without the bus and my buss pass and cant afford taxis, thankyou you wonderfull people who seem to break things that are not broken. Gary who drives the no:6 bus has been doing that route for years what has gotten into the people who make these new routes up. You have ruined my life and as a direct result my life will be suffering 24/7 from this as i will become house bound. Thanks again[/p][/quote]tactical i have posted this link for you it is the weymouth and portland dial a ride council scheme which enables people who cant physically use local transport due to age/disability you need to get an application form and then your doctor needs to sign it , but then this will allow you to book a bus to pick you up from your door and take you to town and back. although it wont be as regular it will at least mean you can get out ...http://www.dorset foryou.com/2507 bobby1966
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11:46am Thu 7 Feb 13

bobby1966 says...

stench wrote:
bobby1966 wrote:
stench wrote:
bobby1966 wrote:
stench wrote:
bobby1966 wrote:
stench wrote: what about when all hospitals are made private? Do we allow services to be scrapped cos the reimburtment isnt enough? The people against it are clearly those not in need of a bus...
i think most of you people seem to think the council still own the buses. first is a private company who operate a buisness . why should a company make a loss each month of thousands to please a few people . you people of southill had your chance at the start of last year. if i remember right first were going to alter the route to try and make it pay ,you had the manager from first up there and lobbied the papers and so on saying we will catch the bus and use it more. so first left it as it was and nothing changed still low numbers and not enough people using them so you really only have yourself to blame. just like the people of broadway/upwey they have moaned to the echo ,the company and so on .so first have now given them back there bus and even up until midnight now lets see if these regulars from there actually catch the bus now because if they dont IT WILL BE GONE they are being given the chance. think about for a minute who would operate a company at a loss
I think you assume wrong... The council USED to own them, yes. But why privatise? It'll be the same lame excuses that we'll have when all hospitals become private. then what after that? It's like the owner of RyanAir is giving Cameron & co tips on how to strip back to basics, take away liabilty and let the people put up with the crap. I'll vote for a party that wants to run the country. not one that passes the risk to private companies, in a coawardly effort to avoid fuuture responsibilities...
but thats for another matter ryanair has nothing to do with the number 5 lol . i understand what youre saying about make a little loss here and there and go on overall profit. but each first depot area is on its own each depot has to make a profit to be viable. and the number 5 route was not just making a little loss it was totally hemorrahaging money to an amount that could have serious affects on other routes . the 3,4,and 8 already operate at a very small profit but the losses on the 5 was almost wiping out that totally. do you think another comapny is just going to step in and say we will do it and dont mind paying thousands a month to run. i think not . if blame is to be laid then lets look at the real reasons and not just first . 1. the council have a budget on which to proportion monies into the community .THEY CHOOSE TO CUT BACK ON SUBSIDY FOR TRANSPORT. they decided that building stupid stones on an island and laser lights are more important. 2. the government enticed the bus companies into all this free travel at the start with a decent rate for each pass this has dwindled over the years to an amount that is just to low . 3. i have said it all along let the free passes pay half and the government work out roughly what it spends on free travel reimbursement each year and adds that onto the winter fuel allowence . a pensioner will more than likely appriciate a bit more help to keep warm in the winter than a free trip to town in the snow and the rain and its not as if the utility companies cant afford it from their billions of pounds profit
What a great response. cant argue with much of that, especially the last bit (I remember hearing OAPs would use the X53 for nothing more than the heat it provides). But I think First is an example of a poorly run company... It's about being lean, not mean ;) (impresed myself with that line)
lol yeah ill save that line for future use :). as for first they know they have made a balls up the last few years and are now trying to make things better. if they do or not only time will tell. apartfrom the number 5 lets look at the positives ? more number 1 and going to seafront (75 per cent of passengers on number 1 actually goto the seafront or the bus stops there) improved number 4 service and an evening service. improved 3 and 8 better times to enable better reliability hopefully. number 10s now going broadway/upwey and evening service until midnight (last bus from dorch is 23:55pm ) so better service to the hospital for visitors/nurses working .better access to the new cinema and restaurants . an extra littlemoor bus and portland bus in the evenings yes they have cut the 5/5a and the 4 to sutton poyntz but these buses were empty 80 per cent of the time. most of these changes have been made to better the services people actually use so lets just wait and see. its shame the only things you hear on here are the bad i am sure there are many people who think the changes are great but will just think about time instead of coming on here and posting
First, take note! I do not know as much as it seems you do, regarding what services work at what times etc.

But if what you say is true, then sounds like big improvments could be made from your suggestions alone...
these are not suggestions these are what is actually happening and can be found on the first website

i do honestley beleive though the people of southill will get some sort of bus provided by the council maybe just 2 a day they seem to do it for poundbury area into dorch
[quote][p][bold]stench[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bobby1966[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stench[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bobby1966[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stench[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bobby1966[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stench[/bold] wrote: what about when all hospitals are made private? Do we allow services to be scrapped cos the reimburtment isnt enough? The people against it are clearly those not in need of a bus...[/p][/quote]i think most of you people seem to think the council still own the buses. first is a private company who operate a buisness . why should a company make a loss each month of thousands to please a few people . you people of southill had your chance at the start of last year. if i remember right first were going to alter the route to try and make it pay ,you had the manager from first up there and lobbied the papers and so on saying we will catch the bus and use it more. so first left it as it was and nothing changed still low numbers and not enough people using them so you really only have yourself to blame. just like the people of broadway/upwey they have moaned to the echo ,the company and so on .so first have now given them back there bus and even up until midnight now lets see if these regulars from there actually catch the bus now because if they dont IT WILL BE GONE they are being given the chance. think about for a minute who would operate a company at a loss[/p][/quote]I think you assume wrong... The council USED to own them, yes. But why privatise? It'll be the same lame excuses that we'll have when all hospitals become private. then what after that? It's like the owner of RyanAir is giving Cameron & co tips on how to strip back to basics, take away liabilty and let the people put up with the crap. I'll vote for a party that wants to run the country. not one that passes the risk to private companies, in a coawardly effort to avoid fuuture responsibilities...[/p][/quote]but thats for another matter ryanair has nothing to do with the number 5 lol . i understand what youre saying about make a little loss here and there and go on overall profit. but each first depot area is on its own each depot has to make a profit to be viable. and the number 5 route was not just making a little loss it was totally hemorrahaging money to an amount that could have serious affects on other routes . the 3,4,and 8 already operate at a very small profit but the losses on the 5 was almost wiping out that totally. do you think another comapny is just going to step in and say we will do it and dont mind paying thousands a month to run. i think not . if blame is to be laid then lets look at the real reasons and not just first . 1. the council have a budget on which to proportion monies into the community .THEY CHOOSE TO CUT BACK ON SUBSIDY FOR TRANSPORT. they decided that building stupid stones on an island and laser lights are more important. 2. the government enticed the bus companies into all this free travel at the start with a decent rate for each pass this has dwindled over the years to an amount that is just to low . 3. i have said it all along let the free passes pay half and the government work out roughly what it spends on free travel reimbursement each year and adds that onto the winter fuel allowence . a pensioner will more than likely appriciate a bit more help to keep warm in the winter than a free trip to town in the snow and the rain and its not as if the utility companies cant afford it from their billions of pounds profit[/p][/quote]What a great response. cant argue with much of that, especially the last bit (I remember hearing OAPs would use the X53 for nothing more than the heat it provides). But I think First is an example of a poorly run company... It's about being lean, not mean ;) (impresed myself with that line)[/p][/quote]lol yeah ill save that line for future use :). as for first they know they have made a balls up the last few years and are now trying to make things better. if they do or not only time will tell. apartfrom the number 5 lets look at the positives ? more number 1 and going to seafront (75 per cent of passengers on number 1 actually goto the seafront or the bus stops there) improved number 4 service and an evening service. improved 3 and 8 better times to enable better reliability hopefully. number 10s now going broadway/upwey and evening service until midnight (last bus from dorch is 23:55pm ) so better service to the hospital for visitors/nurses working .better access to the new cinema and restaurants . an extra littlemoor bus and portland bus in the evenings yes they have cut the 5/5a and the 4 to sutton poyntz but these buses were empty 80 per cent of the time. most of these changes have been made to better the services people actually use so lets just wait and see. its shame the only things you hear on here are the bad i am sure there are many people who think the changes are great but will just think about time instead of coming on here and posting[/p][/quote]First, take note! I do not know as much as it seems you do, regarding what services work at what times etc. But if what you say is true, then sounds like big improvments could be made from your suggestions alone...[/p][/quote]these are not suggestions these are what is actually happening and can be found on the first website i do honestley beleive though the people of southill will get some sort of bus provided by the council maybe just 2 a day they seem to do it for poundbury area into dorch bobby1966
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1:45pm Thu 7 Feb 13

railwaychickenboy6 says...

Tactical wrote:
Thanks allot for axing the number 6 on wyke road , as im disabled i will now not be able to go to town i physically can not do so without the bus and my buss pass and cant afford taxis, thankyou you wonderfull people who seem to break things that are not broken.
Gary who drives the no:6 bus has been doing that route for years what has gotten into the people who make these new routes up.
You have ruined my life and as a direct result my life will be suffering 24/7 from this as i will become house bound.

Thanks again
You must live on Wyke road, because thats the only bit of the 6 route to be cut out
[quote][p][bold]Tactical[/bold] wrote: Thanks allot for axing the number 6 on wyke road , as im disabled i will now not be able to go to town i physically can not do so without the bus and my buss pass and cant afford taxis, thankyou you wonderfull people who seem to break things that are not broken. Gary who drives the no:6 bus has been doing that route for years what has gotten into the people who make these new routes up. You have ruined my life and as a direct result my life will be suffering 24/7 from this as i will become house bound. Thanks again[/p][/quote]You must live on Wyke road, because thats the only bit of the 6 route to be cut out railwaychickenboy6
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3:20pm Thu 7 Feb 13

stench says...

railwaychickenboy6 wrote:
Tactical wrote: Thanks allot for axing the number 6 on wyke road , as im disabled i will now not be able to go to town i physically can not do so without the bus and my buss pass and cant afford taxis, thankyou you wonderfull people who seem to break things that are not broken. Gary who drives the no:6 bus has been doing that route for years what has gotten into the people who make these new routes up. You have ruined my life and as a direct result my life will be suffering 24/7 from this as i will become house bound. Thanks again
You must live on Wyke road, because thats the only bit of the 6 route to be cut out
check out the detective ;)
[quote][p][bold]railwaychickenboy6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tactical[/bold] wrote: Thanks allot for axing the number 6 on wyke road , as im disabled i will now not be able to go to town i physically can not do so without the bus and my buss pass and cant afford taxis, thankyou you wonderfull people who seem to break things that are not broken. Gary who drives the no:6 bus has been doing that route for years what has gotten into the people who make these new routes up. You have ruined my life and as a direct result my life will be suffering 24/7 from this as i will become house bound. Thanks again[/p][/quote]You must live on Wyke road, because thats the only bit of the 6 route to be cut out[/p][/quote]check out the detective ;) stench
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3:22pm Thu 7 Feb 13

stench says...

bobby1966 wrote:
stench wrote:
bobby1966 wrote:
stench wrote:
bobby1966 wrote:
stench wrote:
bobby1966 wrote:
stench wrote: what about when all hospitals are made private? Do we allow services to be scrapped cos the reimburtment isnt enough? The people against it are clearly those not in need of a bus...
i think most of you people seem to think the council still own the buses. first is a private company who operate a buisness . why should a company make a loss each month of thousands to please a few people . you people of southill had your chance at the start of last year. if i remember right first were going to alter the route to try and make it pay ,you had the manager from first up there and lobbied the papers and so on saying we will catch the bus and use it more. so first left it as it was and nothing changed still low numbers and not enough people using them so you really only have yourself to blame. just like the people of broadway/upwey they have moaned to the echo ,the company and so on .so first have now given them back there bus and even up until midnight now lets see if these regulars from there actually catch the bus now because if they dont IT WILL BE GONE they are being given the chance. think about for a minute who would operate a company at a loss
I think you assume wrong... The council USED to own them, yes. But why privatise? It'll be the same lame excuses that we'll have when all hospitals become private. then what after that? It's like the owner of RyanAir is giving Cameron & co tips on how to strip back to basics, take away liabilty and let the people put up with the crap. I'll vote for a party that wants to run the country. not one that passes the risk to private companies, in a coawardly effort to avoid fuuture responsibilities...
but thats for another matter ryanair has nothing to do with the number 5 lol . i understand what youre saying about make a little loss here and there and go on overall profit. but each first depot area is on its own each depot has to make a profit to be viable. and the number 5 route was not just making a little loss it was totally hemorrahaging money to an amount that could have serious affects on other routes . the 3,4,and 8 already operate at a very small profit but the losses on the 5 was almost wiping out that totally. do you think another comapny is just going to step in and say we will do it and dont mind paying thousands a month to run. i think not . if blame is to be laid then lets look at the real reasons and not just first . 1. the council have a budget on which to proportion monies into the community .THEY CHOOSE TO CUT BACK ON SUBSIDY FOR TRANSPORT. they decided that building stupid stones on an island and laser lights are more important. 2. the government enticed the bus companies into all this free travel at the start with a decent rate for each pass this has dwindled over the years to an amount that is just to low . 3. i have said it all along let the free passes pay half and the government work out roughly what it spends on free travel reimbursement each year and adds that onto the winter fuel allowence . a pensioner will more than likely appriciate a bit more help to keep warm in the winter than a free trip to town in the snow and the rain and its not as if the utility companies cant afford it from their billions of pounds profit
What a great response. cant argue with much of that, especially the last bit (I remember hearing OAPs would use the X53 for nothing more than the heat it provides). But I think First is an example of a poorly run company... It's about being lean, not mean ;) (impresed myself with that line)
lol yeah ill save that line for future use :). as for first they know they have made a balls up the last few years and are now trying to make things better. if they do or not only time will tell. apartfrom the number 5 lets look at the positives ? more number 1 and going to seafront (75 per cent of passengers on number 1 actually goto the seafront or the bus stops there) improved number 4 service and an evening service. improved 3 and 8 better times to enable better reliability hopefully. number 10s now going broadway/upwey and evening service until midnight (last bus from dorch is 23:55pm ) so better service to the hospital for visitors/nurses working .better access to the new cinema and restaurants . an extra littlemoor bus and portland bus in the evenings yes they have cut the 5/5a and the 4 to sutton poyntz but these buses were empty 80 per cent of the time. most of these changes have been made to better the services people actually use so lets just wait and see. its shame the only things you hear on here are the bad i am sure there are many people who think the changes are great but will just think about time instead of coming on here and posting
First, take note! I do not know as much as it seems you do, regarding what services work at what times etc. But if what you say is true, then sounds like big improvments could be made from your suggestions alone...
these are not suggestions these are what is actually happening and can be found on the first website i do honestley beleive though the people of southill will get some sort of bus provided by the council maybe just 2 a day they seem to do it for poundbury area into dorch
then i believe none of it...

Do they share information about profits? as in, for each route?
[quote][p][bold]bobby1966[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stench[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bobby1966[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stench[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bobby1966[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stench[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bobby1966[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stench[/bold] wrote: what about when all hospitals are made private? Do we allow services to be scrapped cos the reimburtment isnt enough? The people against it are clearly those not in need of a bus...[/p][/quote]i think most of you people seem to think the council still own the buses. first is a private company who operate a buisness . why should a company make a loss each month of thousands to please a few people . you people of southill had your chance at the start of last year. if i remember right first were going to alter the route to try and make it pay ,you had the manager from first up there and lobbied the papers and so on saying we will catch the bus and use it more. so first left it as it was and nothing changed still low numbers and not enough people using them so you really only have yourself to blame. just like the people of broadway/upwey they have moaned to the echo ,the company and so on .so first have now given them back there bus and even up until midnight now lets see if these regulars from there actually catch the bus now because if they dont IT WILL BE GONE they are being given the chance. think about for a minute who would operate a company at a loss[/p][/quote]I think you assume wrong... The council USED to own them, yes. But why privatise? It'll be the same lame excuses that we'll have when all hospitals become private. then what after that? It's like the owner of RyanAir is giving Cameron & co tips on how to strip back to basics, take away liabilty and let the people put up with the crap. I'll vote for a party that wants to run the country. not one that passes the risk to private companies, in a coawardly effort to avoid fuuture responsibilities...[/p][/quote]but thats for another matter ryanair has nothing to do with the number 5 lol . i understand what youre saying about make a little loss here and there and go on overall profit. but each first depot area is on its own each depot has to make a profit to be viable. and the number 5 route was not just making a little loss it was totally hemorrahaging money to an amount that could have serious affects on other routes . the 3,4,and 8 already operate at a very small profit but the losses on the 5 was almost wiping out that totally. do you think another comapny is just going to step in and say we will do it and dont mind paying thousands a month to run. i think not . if blame is to be laid then lets look at the real reasons and not just first . 1. the council have a budget on which to proportion monies into the community .THEY CHOOSE TO CUT BACK ON SUBSIDY FOR TRANSPORT. they decided that building stupid stones on an island and laser lights are more important. 2. the government enticed the bus companies into all this free travel at the start with a decent rate for each pass this has dwindled over the years to an amount that is just to low . 3. i have said it all along let the free passes pay half and the government work out roughly what it spends on free travel reimbursement each year and adds that onto the winter fuel allowence . a pensioner will more than likely appriciate a bit more help to keep warm in the winter than a free trip to town in the snow and the rain and its not as if the utility companies cant afford it from their billions of pounds profit[/p][/quote]What a great response. cant argue with much of that, especially the last bit (I remember hearing OAPs would use the X53 for nothing more than the heat it provides). But I think First is an example of a poorly run company... It's about being lean, not mean ;) (impresed myself with that line)[/p][/quote]lol yeah ill save that line for future use :). as for first they know they have made a balls up the last few years and are now trying to make things better. if they do or not only time will tell. apartfrom the number 5 lets look at the positives ? more number 1 and going to seafront (75 per cent of passengers on number 1 actually goto the seafront or the bus stops there) improved number 4 service and an evening service. improved 3 and 8 better times to enable better reliability hopefully. number 10s now going broadway/upwey and evening service until midnight (last bus from dorch is 23:55pm ) so better service to the hospital for visitors/nurses working .better access to the new cinema and restaurants . an extra littlemoor bus and portland bus in the evenings yes they have cut the 5/5a and the 4 to sutton poyntz but these buses were empty 80 per cent of the time. most of these changes have been made to better the services people actually use so lets just wait and see. its shame the only things you hear on here are the bad i am sure there are many people who think the changes are great but will just think about time instead of coming on here and posting[/p][/quote]First, take note! I do not know as much as it seems you do, regarding what services work at what times etc. But if what you say is true, then sounds like big improvments could be made from your suggestions alone...[/p][/quote]these are not suggestions these are what is actually happening and can be found on the first website i do honestley beleive though the people of southill will get some sort of bus provided by the council maybe just 2 a day they seem to do it for poundbury area into dorch[/p][/quote]then i believe none of it... Do they share information about profits? as in, for each route? stench
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4:32pm Thu 7 Feb 13

SouthWestBuses says...

When will many of the moaners get real.
As I commented in another post on the withdrawal of the 210 'service' by south west coaches - I clearly said that the time bomb was ticking due to the ludicrous bus pass situation - now the bomb has exploded and the moaners start winging.
It is very noticeable that those who moan about the loss of the buses to Sutton Poynz, Southill, Lanehouse and a through bus from Portland to Dorchester are the very people who have done nothing to keep those buses running - the free pass holders who joy ride about on the buses at no cost, causing the bus company to loose money on those services.
First Bus is a business that has to make a profit for its shareholders - IT IS NOT A CHARITY and cannot be expected to continue to operate services that simply dont pay - if this situation is caused by the stupid free pass system then those who will loose their bus service should take action against those responsible via the ballot box not by winging at First for doing nothing more than protecting thier business interests.
Yes its going to cause inconvenience for some people and as a bus driver myself i'm sorry that that is going to happen but at the end of the day do the people who contibute NOTHING to the bus company expect First to run itself into the ground and then put many drivers at Weymouth depot onto the dole.
The changes that First are bringing in have doutless been very carefully considered so as to best match the changed marketplace and the operation of the ridiculous free pass system - as has been pointed out many many times by many people this situation has been brewing for a long time and will not go away until the politicians put a sensible pass system into place - until then what is now happening is the thin end of the wedge - more will be lost if something is not done.
As to another operator stepping in - would you if you were aware of the losses that have led to these cut-backs. Much as it would be nice to think another company might common sense dictates otherwise. The County Council has stated that there is no more money to pay further subsidies on routes so is it likely that (say) Damory would step in and operate a route at a loss - I think not.
Its a simple fact that things have changed and bus usage is far far less than a few years ago - this coupled with the free pass system means that bus companies must also change to reflect this.
First Bus (and other operators such as Wilts & Dorset, Damory and Stagecoach) are now operating in a very difficult marketplace and do try to balance providing a service with earning a profit - that this results in some service losses is simply a reflection of that marketplace and the changes that have happened. Its hardly fare to critisise (in the Weymouth area) First bus and cirtainly not to take it out on the drivers as I witnessed yesterday.
The warning signs have been obvious for some time but were ignored by many - the results are now happening.
When will many of the moaners get real. As I commented in another post on the withdrawal of the 210 'service' by south west coaches - I clearly said that the time bomb was ticking due to the ludicrous bus pass situation - now the bomb has exploded and the moaners start winging. It is very noticeable that those who moan about the loss of the buses to Sutton Poynz, Southill, Lanehouse and a through bus from Portland to Dorchester are the very people who have done nothing to keep those buses running - the free pass holders who joy ride about on the buses at no cost, causing the bus company to loose money on those services. First Bus is a business that has to make a profit for its shareholders - IT IS NOT A CHARITY and cannot be expected to continue to operate services that simply dont pay - if this situation is caused by the stupid free pass system then those who will loose their bus service should take action against those responsible via the ballot box not by winging at First for doing nothing more than protecting thier business interests. Yes its going to cause inconvenience for some people and as a bus driver myself i'm sorry that that is going to happen but at the end of the day do the people who contibute NOTHING to the bus company expect First to run itself into the ground and then put many drivers at Weymouth depot onto the dole. The changes that First are bringing in have doutless been very carefully considered so as to best match the changed marketplace and the operation of the ridiculous free pass system - as has been pointed out many many times by many people this situation has been brewing for a long time and will not go away until the politicians put a sensible pass system into place - until then what is now happening is the thin end of the wedge - more will be lost if something is not done. As to another operator stepping in - would you if you were aware of the losses that have led to these cut-backs. Much as it would be nice to think another company might common sense dictates otherwise. The County Council has stated that there is no more money to pay further subsidies on routes so is it likely that (say) Damory would step in and operate a route at a loss - I think not. Its a simple fact that things have changed and bus usage is far far less than a few years ago - this coupled with the free pass system means that bus companies must also change to reflect this. First Bus (and other operators such as Wilts & Dorset, Damory and Stagecoach) are now operating in a very difficult marketplace and do try to balance providing a service with earning a profit - that this results in some service losses is simply a reflection of that marketplace and the changes that have happened. Its hardly fare to critisise (in the Weymouth area) First bus and cirtainly not to take it out on the drivers as I witnessed yesterday. The warning signs have been obvious for some time but were ignored by many - the results are now happening. SouthWestBuses
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5:22pm Thu 7 Feb 13

stench says...

SouthWestBuses wrote:
When will many of the moaners get real. As I commented in another post on the withdrawal of the 210 'service' by south west coaches - I clearly said that the time bomb was ticking due to the ludicrous bus pass situation - now the bomb has exploded and the moaners start winging. It is very noticeable that those who moan about the loss of the buses to Sutton Poynz, Southill, Lanehouse and a through bus from Portland to Dorchester are the very people who have done nothing to keep those buses running - the free pass holders who joy ride about on the buses at no cost, causing the bus company to loose money on those services. First Bus is a business that has to make a profit for its shareholders - IT IS NOT A CHARITY and cannot be expected to continue to operate services that simply dont pay - if this situation is caused by the stupid free pass system then those who will loose their bus service should take action against those responsible via the ballot box not by winging at First for doing nothing more than protecting thier business interests. Yes its going to cause inconvenience for some people and as a bus driver myself i'm sorry that that is going to happen but at the end of the day do the people who contibute NOTHING to the bus company expect First to run itself into the ground and then put many drivers at Weymouth depot onto the dole. The changes that First are bringing in have doutless been very carefully considered so as to best match the changed marketplace and the operation of the ridiculous free pass system - as has been pointed out many many times by many people this situation has been brewing for a long time and will not go away until the politicians put a sensible pass system into place - until then what is now happening is the thin end of the wedge - more will be lost if something is not done. As to another operator stepping in - would you if you were aware of the losses that have led to these cut-backs. Much as it would be nice to think another company might common sense dictates otherwise. The County Council has stated that there is no more money to pay further subsidies on routes so is it likely that (say) Damory would step in and operate a route at a loss - I think not. Its a simple fact that things have changed and bus usage is far far less than a few years ago - this coupled with the free pass system means that bus companies must also change to reflect this. First Bus (and other operators such as Wilts & Dorset, Damory and Stagecoach) are now operating in a very difficult marketplace and do try to balance providing a service with earning a profit - that this results in some service losses is simply a reflection of that marketplace and the changes that have happened. Its hardly fare to critisise (in the Weymouth area) First bus and cirtainly not to take it out on the drivers as I witnessed yesterday. The warning signs have been obvious for some time but were ignored by many - the results are now happening.
oh, ****! we ignored the one who knows all ;)
[quote][p][bold]SouthWestBuses[/bold] wrote: When will many of the moaners get real. As I commented in another post on the withdrawal of the 210 'service' by south west coaches - I clearly said that the time bomb was ticking due to the ludicrous bus pass situation - now the bomb has exploded and the moaners start winging. It is very noticeable that those who moan about the loss of the buses to Sutton Poynz, Southill, Lanehouse and a through bus from Portland to Dorchester are the very people who have done nothing to keep those buses running - the free pass holders who joy ride about on the buses at no cost, causing the bus company to loose money on those services. First Bus is a business that has to make a profit for its shareholders - IT IS NOT A CHARITY and cannot be expected to continue to operate services that simply dont pay - if this situation is caused by the stupid free pass system then those who will loose their bus service should take action against those responsible via the ballot box not by winging at First for doing nothing more than protecting thier business interests. Yes its going to cause inconvenience for some people and as a bus driver myself i'm sorry that that is going to happen but at the end of the day do the people who contibute NOTHING to the bus company expect First to run itself into the ground and then put many drivers at Weymouth depot onto the dole. The changes that First are bringing in have doutless been very carefully considered so as to best match the changed marketplace and the operation of the ridiculous free pass system - as has been pointed out many many times by many people this situation has been brewing for a long time and will not go away until the politicians put a sensible pass system into place - until then what is now happening is the thin end of the wedge - more will be lost if something is not done. As to another operator stepping in - would you if you were aware of the losses that have led to these cut-backs. Much as it would be nice to think another company might common sense dictates otherwise. The County Council has stated that there is no more money to pay further subsidies on routes so is it likely that (say) Damory would step in and operate a route at a loss - I think not. Its a simple fact that things have changed and bus usage is far far less than a few years ago - this coupled with the free pass system means that bus companies must also change to reflect this. First Bus (and other operators such as Wilts & Dorset, Damory and Stagecoach) are now operating in a very difficult marketplace and do try to balance providing a service with earning a profit - that this results in some service losses is simply a reflection of that marketplace and the changes that have happened. Its hardly fare to critisise (in the Weymouth area) First bus and cirtainly not to take it out on the drivers as I witnessed yesterday. The warning signs have been obvious for some time but were ignored by many - the results are now happening.[/p][/quote]oh, ****! we ignored the one who knows all ;) stench
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5:24pm Thu 7 Feb 13

thevoiceuk says...

I love the fact that they are promoting evening buses on the number 4 starting in March! Bless 'em. (simply to ferry holidaymakers to and from the caravan sites, and will no doubt be axed again when winter comes)
I love the fact that they are promoting evening buses on the number 4 starting in March! Bless 'em. (simply to ferry holidaymakers to and from the caravan sites, and will no doubt be axed again when winter comes) thevoiceuk
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7:11pm Thu 7 Feb 13

railwaychickenboy6 says...

what realistic workable solution does anyone have?
what realistic workable solution does anyone have? railwaychickenboy6
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11:19pm Thu 7 Feb 13

bobby1966 says...

there is only one.

back to the old days of half fare for free passes
there is only one. back to the old days of half fare for free passes bobby1966
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7:36am Fri 8 Feb 13

railwaychickenboy6 says...

bobby1966 wrote:
there is only one.

back to the old days of half fare for free passes
I did say realistic and workable, and as there has only been one sudggestion I think no one has an answer despite a lot of mouthing off
[quote][p][bold]bobby1966[/bold] wrote: there is only one. back to the old days of half fare for free passes[/p][/quote]I did say realistic and workable, and as there has only been one sudggestion I think no one has an answer despite a lot of mouthing off railwaychickenboy6
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5:51pm Sun 10 Feb 13

Tactical says...

Notice the lady setting up the petition against the bus company is only after her own interests which is her bus route, stupid bloody woman
Notice the lady setting up the petition against the bus company is only after her own interests which is her bus route, stupid bloody woman Tactical
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6:32pm Sun 10 Feb 13

malkie says...

I have a bus pass and would be quite happy to pay half fare, but for this, I would expect the bus company to provide a "service". i,e, not to lose our buses during the school run and also to run buses on a Sunday and after 5-15 in the evening.
I have a bus pass and would be quite happy to pay half fare, but for this, I would expect the bus company to provide a "service". i,e, not to lose our buses during the school run and also to run buses on a Sunday and after 5-15 in the evening. malkie
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10:14am Mon 11 Feb 13

Trackerman says...

Bottom Line
For buses to make commercial sense. People have to get out of their cars and use them.
Bottom Line For buses to make commercial sense. People have to get out of their cars and use them. Trackerman
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5:18pm Mon 11 Feb 13

DorsetDaughter says...

I know of an elderly gentleman, existing on the state pension, who lives in Southill who has kind neighbours and friends who shop for him on his behalf at the supermarkets and drop it off for him. But, he does, on occasion, independently take the bus in to Weymouth. This is good for him socially, to get out and about otherwise he'd never go beyond his garden gate. He's not physically able to walk to Weymouth nor to Dorchester Road via Radipole Village. With the loss of the bus service, I'm concerned about the possibility that he will lose his independence. He doesn't own a mobile phone nor a computer so can't shop online. He isn't someone who can make the present service viable as he has a free bus pass but only uses it occasionally. I wonder what the answer is? A community bus that goes in to town one day a week and once at weekend?
I know of an elderly gentleman, existing on the state pension, who lives in Southill who has kind neighbours and friends who shop for him on his behalf at the supermarkets and drop it off for him. But, he does, on occasion, independently take the bus in to Weymouth. This is good for him socially, to get out and about otherwise he'd never go beyond his garden gate. He's not physically able to walk to Weymouth nor to Dorchester Road via Radipole Village. With the loss of the bus service, I'm concerned about the possibility that he will lose his independence. He doesn't own a mobile phone nor a computer so can't shop online. He isn't someone who can make the present service viable as he has a free bus pass but only uses it occasionally. I wonder what the answer is? A community bus that goes in to town one day a week and once at weekend? DorsetDaughter
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9:47pm Mon 11 Feb 13

Tactical says...

I agree what a disgusting shambles Weymouths turning into a sh*t hole shops, pavillion, LittleMoor , Portland , need i go on. What a disgusting place to live i moving very first chance i get and never coming back and i have lived her all my life. End of the year i will be gone.
I agree what a disgusting shambles Weymouths turning into a sh*t hole shops, pavillion, LittleMoor , Portland , need i go on. What a disgusting place to live i moving very first chance i get and never coming back and i have lived her all my life. End of the year i will be gone. Tactical
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1:05pm Tue 12 Feb 13

Simon 1965 says...

Just try living in an inner city area Tactial, or even a seafront town with a more "glamorous" reputation than Weymouth - you will soon realise that most areas have problems, and local authorities are the same all over the country. People who have lived in Dorset all their life do not know how lucky they are!

Simon N.
Just try living in an inner city area Tactial, or even a seafront town with a more "glamorous" reputation than Weymouth - you will soon realise that most areas have problems, and local authorities are the same all over the country. People who have lived in Dorset all their life do not know how lucky they are! Simon N. Simon 1965
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3:44pm Tue 12 Feb 13

Desk24 says...

Beep beep...
Beep beep... Desk24
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