More services to be slashed as county tackles £30m black hole

Dorset Echo: BUDGET: County Hall, Dorchester BUDGET: County Hall, Dorchester

DORSET County Council looks set to slash more services and move to outsourcing work as part of a radical plan to find another £30million worth of savings over the next three years.

The move will see the council stripping back and focussing on priorities as it gets to grip with further cuts in public spending.

Reductions in government funding means the money DCC has to spend on services is being slashed by 43 per cent over six years.

The authority had been facing a £48 million shortfall by 2016/17 – but savings of £18million have been identified through a series of agreed projects.

But it still leaves a £30million hole.

This come on top of more than £60million which has already been trimmed from budgets over the last three years and seen the loss of 710 full time equivalent posts.

The process to close the gap further, which is likely to result in further job losses, will see DCC examining the main areas of work it does and prioritising needs while also looking at which services can be changed, provided differently, stopped altogether or outsourced.

The possibility of outsourcing services has come under fire from unions and councillors who fear the quality of service will diminish.

DCC is responsible for a wide range of services, some of which it has a duty to provide and some of which are discretionary. Main responsibilities include schools, social care, children’s services, passenger transport and highways.

Achieving further savings is mapped out in a programme called Forward Together which DCC leader Spencer Flower described as the ‘most radical reform programme’ the council has faced.

He said it involved examining how the council delivers services and investigating how they can be provided in a different way on a reduced budget.

An update on Forward Together will be reported to Cabinet next Wednesday.

The report says the ‘largest risk’ is that even with cost-saving measures in place, more savings are needed.

Projects have been agreed in children’s services, adult and community services, the environment directorate and corporate resources that will make up £18m of the £48m shortfall, with £30m still to find.

Budget summaries reveal the shortfall for the coming year is more than £2m while there is a further £8.5m to be found in 2015/16 and more than £19m the following year.

The report states: “There is a need for the Forward Together Board to identify at its first meeting in 2014 the priority areas of work that the council will undertake.

“This needs to identify the main outcomes that the council will deliver over the next three years, whilst realising the additional £30m of savings.”

It adds: “Once the Forward Together Board has agreed the main areas of work this will form a three year transformation plan that will deliver the required £30m savings.

“If the £30m cannot be identified and delivered then scaling would have to be imposed through budget setting.

“There are inherent risks to service delivery with this fall back position.”

Union expresses concerns over ‘outsourcing’

PAM Jefferies, secretary of the Dorset county branch of trade union Unison, said: “We’re struggling to see where more cuts can come from when so many have been made already. It’s not easy to see what will happen in the next round.

“Outsourcing is the one thing that bothers us as it doesn’t always guarantee the best service. Dorset County Council has been a provider of good services up and we’re anxious how that might change.”

She added: “The county council is looking at being a commissioner of services rather than a provider of services and I don’t care what anyone says but the public don’t get the same service. You only have to look at what has happened elsewhere to see that outsourcing has been a disaster.”

Leader of the Lib Dems on the county council Janet Dover said she would like to see less spending on agency staff and consultants, an issue her group has continued to raise over the last two years.

“There is still a lot of savings to find and we believe there are pockets of expenditure which are not being adequately addressed,” she said.

Commenting on the possibility of outsourcing services, Coun Dover said the ‘preference would be to always keep things in-house.’ She added: “As has been proved elsewhere, the outsourcing of services doesn’t necessarily mean large savings are achieved over a sustainable period.

“We should be very careful before going down that route. We have to ensure it’s sustainable and brings in true savings, and a quality service is being provided. The public deserve the best.”

Kate Wheller, speaking for the Labour group, said there were ‘huge’ figures involved in the amount that needed to be saved and clearly there were ‘very difficult’ times ahead.

She said Labour councillors were unhappy about a move to outsourcing, especially in areas such as social services where vulnerable groups could be affected by the change in providers of care.

Coun Wheller said: “Outsourcing would only be supported if there was confidence the level of service provided was suitable for our users.

“We’re very anxious that these vulnerable groups are secure.

“We will be monitoring this very closely.”

Radical reform needed to cut council budget

LEADER of Dorset County Council Spencer Flower said ‘tremendous pressure’ had been placed on local government to help central government deal with the deficit, and the council was examining how it delivers services in light of vastly reduced funding. He said there will be no ‘no-go’ areas as everything will be examined.

With such massive cuts in funding – the net budget is being reduced from £305m to £200m – the authority will be ‘unrecognisable’ in three years’ time Coun Flower said.

He said: “I hate using the word ‘cutting’ services. We are looking at the service we deliver.”

He added: “I won’t say there will be more job losses. We have already seen the loss of 710 full time equivalent posts. I’m not sure how more there will be. But it would be equally wrong to say there won’t be further reductions given that our personnel budget is our biggest expenditure.”

Coun Flower said outsourcing services was among the options up for discussion.

He said: “We are a fairly traditional council in that we don’t outsource much. There’s nothing wrong with outsourcing as long as we end up with the quality of service and can produce significant efficiency savings.

“The fact is we need to get to grips with these reductions in funding and we can’t borrow money to balance the books.”

Despite big changes ahead and a need to trim down, Coun Flower remains positive and maintains that if it has to be done, then try and do it well.

He said: “I assure you that this is not a partisan position. We may argue over the detail, but opposition councillors acknowledge the need for change. There’s a recognised need for radical reform.”

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11:48am Sat 14 Dec 13

gsygal says...

They need to save 30million, yet they can spend out to refurbish the Directors Office Area at County Hall & put in new sofa's etc & a 50inch tv!
Wonder how much that could of saved! Im sure their old desks were still useable!
They need to save 30million, yet they can spend out to refurbish the Directors Office Area at County Hall & put in new sofa's etc & a 50inch tv! Wonder how much that could of saved! Im sure their old desks were still useable! gsygal

12:23pm Sat 14 Dec 13

zxy987 says...

Roll on the next election, Tories preach austerity but how many of those Etonites are suffering. Cameron disagrees with MPs pay rise because he doesnt need it and knows its a' fait accompli.' anyway. We are now known as nation of the homeless with mums and children suffering in bedsits. Disgraceful for a civilised society. Tories wheres your conscience?
Roll on the next election, Tories preach austerity but how many of those Etonites are suffering. Cameron disagrees with MPs pay rise because he doesnt need it and knows its a' fait accompli.' anyway. We are now known as nation of the homeless with mums and children suffering in bedsits. Disgraceful for a civilised society. Tories wheres your conscience? zxy987

2:50pm Sat 14 Dec 13

slayerofsacredcows says...

Is this one of the black holes in our roads?
They don't need to cut services, but they do need to cut bureaucracy.
The split between DCC, Purbeck DC and town/parish councils is very wasteful. The best plan would be to abolish the DCC and district councils and go back to Urban and Rural District councils, but this time as unitary authorities. (Fewer councillors, fewer committees, fewer overblown services directors but more hands on deliverers of services, who know which way is up!
Bigger is not Better and Small is beautiful!
Is this one of the black holes in our roads? They don't need to cut services, but they do need to cut bureaucracy. The split between DCC, Purbeck DC and town/parish councils is very wasteful. The best plan would be to abolish the DCC and district councils and go back to Urban and Rural District councils, but this time as unitary authorities. (Fewer councillors, fewer committees, fewer overblown services directors but more hands on deliverers of services, who know which way is up! Bigger is not Better and Small is beautiful! slayerofsacredcows

4:27pm Sat 14 Dec 13

westbaywonder says...

zxy987 wrote:
Roll on the next election, Tories preach austerity but how many of those Etonites are suffering. Cameron disagrees with MPs pay rise because he doesnt need it and knows its a' fait accompli.' anyway. We are now known as nation of the homeless with mums and children suffering in bedsits. Disgraceful for a civilised society. Tories wheres your conscience?
Agree with that zxy987 totally.
Why am i now reading on a cornflakes box about helping kids to have a breakfast every day,not in some third world country but here in the UK .
I could not believe what i was reading,nearly fell off the chair.
What an utter disgrace that this is on cereal boxes concerning UK kids.
I am ashamed to see this,also makes me very sad.
About time there was a revolution in this land,Get rid of every political party,and start again.
Until we do,we are like hamsters on a wheel forever going round and will never get anywhere.
Peoples Republic Of England,citizens this is what is needed and one day it will happen,
To think those cereal boxes are on shelves in our land telling the world we cant feed our own kids.
Absolute shameful disgrace!!!
I hope Cameron and his cronies see this on their breakfast table.
Eton knobs!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]zxy987[/bold] wrote: Roll on the next election, Tories preach austerity but how many of those Etonites are suffering. Cameron disagrees with MPs pay rise because he doesnt need it and knows its a' fait accompli.' anyway. We are now known as nation of the homeless with mums and children suffering in bedsits. Disgraceful for a civilised society. Tories wheres your conscience?[/p][/quote]Agree with that zxy987 totally. Why am i now reading on a cornflakes box about helping kids to have a breakfast every day,not in some third world country but here in the UK . I could not believe what i was reading,nearly fell off the chair. What an utter disgrace that this is on cereal boxes concerning UK kids. I am ashamed to see this,also makes me very sad. About time there was a revolution in this land,Get rid of every political party,and start again. Until we do,we are like hamsters on a wheel forever going round and will never get anywhere. Peoples Republic Of England,citizens this is what is needed and one day it will happen, To think those cereal boxes are on shelves in our land telling the world we cant feed our own kids. Absolute shameful disgrace!!! I hope Cameron and his cronies see this on their breakfast table. Eton knobs!!!!! westbaywonder

7:34pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Dave Aitch says...

Whenever I see headlines with words such as Cuts, Savings, Slashed and Services, I always think to myself that whatever sum has to be slashed, cut or saved, over whatever period, that sum has been wasted. A typical example of the comment above by GSYGAL. I hate waste. I cant afford to be wasteful. These elected people waste money. But then its not their money they are wasting, is it ?
Whenever I see headlines with words such as Cuts, Savings, Slashed and Services, I always think to myself that whatever sum has to be slashed, cut or saved, over whatever period, that sum has been wasted. A typical example of the comment above by GSYGAL. I hate waste. I cant afford to be wasteful. These elected people waste money. But then its not their money they are wasting, is it ? Dave Aitch

7:52pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Tinker2 says...

slayerofsacredcows wrote:
Is this one of the black holes in our roads? They don't need to cut services, but they do need to cut bureaucracy. The split between DCC, Purbeck DC and town/parish councils is very wasteful. The best plan would be to abolish the DCC and district councils and go back to Urban and Rural District councils, but this time as unitary authorities. (Fewer councillors, fewer committees, fewer overblown services directors but more hands on deliverers of services, who know which way is up! Bigger is not Better and Small is beautiful!
All very true!
More power and responsibilities to Town and Parish Councils. Part merger of WPBC and WDDC is not far enough - abolish them both. Trim all the fat out of the bureaucracy at DCC, and outsource by competitive tender.
Power to the people!
[quote][p][bold]slayerofsacredcows[/bold] wrote: Is this one of the black holes in our roads? They don't need to cut services, but they do need to cut bureaucracy. The split between DCC, Purbeck DC and town/parish councils is very wasteful. The best plan would be to abolish the DCC and district councils and go back to Urban and Rural District councils, but this time as unitary authorities. (Fewer councillors, fewer committees, fewer overblown services directors but more hands on deliverers of services, who know which way is up! Bigger is not Better and Small is beautiful![/p][/quote]All very true! More power and responsibilities to Town and Parish Councils. Part merger of WPBC and WDDC is not far enough - abolish them both. Trim all the fat out of the bureaucracy at DCC, and outsource by competitive tender. Power to the people! Tinker2

10:23pm Sat 14 Dec 13

high68 says...

forward together ;-(
forward together ;-( high68

10:26pm Sat 14 Dec 13

David_divenghy2 says...

Great news, the more power taken away from the civil service and it's apparatchiks who have used their positions to bleed us all dry and ruin this country , the better.

Not a single service needs to be cut if they cut the lifestyles, expenses and wages of the " polit-bureau" instead.
Great news, the more power taken away from the civil service and it's apparatchiks who have used their positions to bleed us all dry and ruin this country , the better. Not a single service needs to be cut if they cut the lifestyles, expenses and wages of the " polit-bureau" instead. David_divenghy2

10:30pm Sat 14 Dec 13

David_divenghy2 says...

westbaywonder wrote:
zxy987 wrote:
Roll on the next election, Tories preach austerity but how many of those Etonites are suffering. Cameron disagrees with MPs pay rise because he doesnt need it and knows its a' fait accompli.' anyway. We are now known as nation of the homeless with mums and children suffering in bedsits. Disgraceful for a civilised society. Tories wheres your conscience?
Agree with that zxy987 totally.
Why am i now reading on a cornflakes box about helping kids to have a breakfast every day,not in some third world country but here in the UK .
I could not believe what i was reading,nearly fell off the chair.
What an utter disgrace that this is on cereal boxes concerning UK kids.
I am ashamed to see this,also makes me very sad.
About time there was a revolution in this land,Get rid of every political party,and start again.
Until we do,we are like hamsters on a wheel forever going round and will never get anywhere.
Peoples Republic Of England,citizens this is what is needed and one day it will happen,
To think those cereal boxes are on shelves in our land telling the world we cant feed our own kids.
Absolute shameful disgrace!!!
I hope Cameron and his cronies see this on their breakfast table.
Eton knobs!!!!!
If you can't feed your own kids, then you are a useless parent who puts themselves and things before them. I was stood behind a single mother with kids collecting her benefits the other day, I nearly choked when I heard them count it out....

People work full time for less. Nobody starves or goes hungry in this country unless they are useless with money. The poor elderly may be the only exemption from that rule. Everything else is propaganda.
[quote][p][bold]westbaywonder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]zxy987[/bold] wrote: Roll on the next election, Tories preach austerity but how many of those Etonites are suffering. Cameron disagrees with MPs pay rise because he doesnt need it and knows its a' fait accompli.' anyway. We are now known as nation of the homeless with mums and children suffering in bedsits. Disgraceful for a civilised society. Tories wheres your conscience?[/p][/quote]Agree with that zxy987 totally. Why am i now reading on a cornflakes box about helping kids to have a breakfast every day,not in some third world country but here in the UK . I could not believe what i was reading,nearly fell off the chair. What an utter disgrace that this is on cereal boxes concerning UK kids. I am ashamed to see this,also makes me very sad. About time there was a revolution in this land,Get rid of every political party,and start again. Until we do,we are like hamsters on a wheel forever going round and will never get anywhere. Peoples Republic Of England,citizens this is what is needed and one day it will happen, To think those cereal boxes are on shelves in our land telling the world we cant feed our own kids. Absolute shameful disgrace!!! I hope Cameron and his cronies see this on their breakfast table. Eton knobs!!!!![/p][/quote]If you can't feed your own kids, then you are a useless parent who puts themselves and things before them. I was stood behind a single mother with kids collecting her benefits the other day, I nearly choked when I heard them count it out.... People work full time for less. Nobody starves or goes hungry in this country unless they are useless with money. The poor elderly may be the only exemption from that rule. Everything else is propaganda. David_divenghy2

10:43pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Bridders says...

I have heard the self same comments made by gsygal, from someone who actually works there. Items of furniture and fittings placed in a store waiting for disposal. The items are still perfectly serviceable, yet new ones were bought to replace them.
Even top of the range dishwashers were purchased to wash up all the coffee/tea mugs.
I have heard the self same comments made by gsygal, from someone who actually works there. Items of furniture and fittings placed in a store waiting for disposal. The items are still perfectly serviceable, yet new ones were bought to replace them. Even top of the range dishwashers were purchased to wash up all the coffee/tea mugs. Bridders

10:50pm Sat 14 Dec 13

David_divenghy2 says...

Has anyone asked the Dorset County council this question?

http://ukip.org/news
room/news/1075-an-un
natural-alliance-con
spires-to-block-tran
sparency-over-what-t
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What has the EU cost Dorset tax payers and how much of these cut-backs are too allow for it?
Has anyone asked the Dorset County council this question? http://ukip.org/news room/news/1075-an-un natural-alliance-con spires-to-block-tran sparency-over-what-t he-eu-costs-essex-ta xpayers What has the EU cost Dorset tax payers and how much of these cut-backs are too allow for it? David_divenghy2

11:27pm Sat 14 Dec 13

westie22 says...

So they have already saved £60 million. Makes you wonder what it was being spent on in the first place. I worked for DCC for 12 years and the money that was wasted was disgraceful. The only thing that they are good at is giving themselves a pat on the back and trying to persuade us what a good job they are doing.
So they have already saved £60 million. Makes you wonder what it was being spent on in the first place. I worked for DCC for 12 years and the money that was wasted was disgraceful. The only thing that they are good at is giving themselves a pat on the back and trying to persuade us what a good job they are doing. westie22

12:23am Sun 15 Dec 13

portland rebel says...

westie22 wrote:
So they have already saved £60 million. Makes you wonder what it was being spent on in the first place. I worked for DCC for 12 years and the money that was wasted was disgraceful. The only thing that they are good at is giving themselves a pat on the back and trying to persuade us what a good job they are doing.
and thats all they are good for.
[quote][p][bold]westie22[/bold] wrote: So they have already saved £60 million. Makes you wonder what it was being spent on in the first place. I worked for DCC for 12 years and the money that was wasted was disgraceful. The only thing that they are good at is giving themselves a pat on the back and trying to persuade us what a good job they are doing.[/p][/quote]and thats all they are good for. portland rebel

12:29am Sun 15 Dec 13

Weymouth Ex-pat says...

gsygal wrote:
They need to save 30million, yet they can spend out to refurbish the Directors Office Area at County Hall & put in new sofa's etc & a 50inch tv!
Wonder how much that could of saved! Im sure their old desks were still useable!
For a start, it's could "have", rather than could "of". I've skipped over your missing apostrophe in "Directors" and the incorrect apostrophe in "sofa's", not to mention the apostrophe that you omitted from "I'm". Anyway, correct usage of the Queen's English aside, when are people going to wake up to the fact that W&PBC and pretty much every council are being bled dry by this Government? Local Government is taking a 43% reduction in funding between 2010 and 2015. How many businesses could survive that? Get real, people. The council you know and 'love' (*cough*) now will not exist in its present form for very much longer. Everything is being cut to the bone and beyond. The cost of sofas and TVs are a microscopic drop in the ocean.
[quote][p][bold]gsygal[/bold] wrote: They need to save 30million, yet they can spend out to refurbish the Directors Office Area at County Hall & put in new sofa's etc & a 50inch tv! Wonder how much that could of saved! Im sure their old desks were still useable![/p][/quote]For a start, it's could "have", rather than could "of". I've skipped over your missing apostrophe in "Directors" and the incorrect apostrophe in "sofa's", not to mention the apostrophe that you omitted from "I'm". Anyway, correct usage of the Queen's English aside, when are people going to wake up to the fact that W&PBC and pretty much every council are being bled dry by this Government? Local Government is taking a 43% reduction in funding between 2010 and 2015. How many businesses could survive that? Get real, people. The council you know and 'love' (*cough*) now will not exist in its present form for very much longer. Everything is being cut to the bone and beyond. The cost of sofas and TVs are a microscopic drop in the ocean. Weymouth Ex-pat

12:32am Sun 15 Dec 13

Weymouth Ex-pat says...

zxy987 wrote:
Roll on the next election, Tories preach austerity but how many of those Etonites are suffering. Cameron disagrees with MPs pay rise because he doesnt need it and knows its a' fait accompli.' anyway. We are now known as nation of the homeless with mums and children suffering in bedsits. Disgraceful for a civilised society. Tories wheres your conscience?
Get real. Miliband, Balls and others in the Shadow Cabinet aren't millionaires? Of course they are. They've no more idea about the day to day life of the ordinary citizen than any politician. They are all completely detached from reality and say what they need to say in order to appeal to the lowest common denominator.
[quote][p][bold]zxy987[/bold] wrote: Roll on the next election, Tories preach austerity but how many of those Etonites are suffering. Cameron disagrees with MPs pay rise because he doesnt need it and knows its a' fait accompli.' anyway. We are now known as nation of the homeless with mums and children suffering in bedsits. Disgraceful for a civilised society. Tories wheres your conscience?[/p][/quote]Get real. Miliband, Balls and others in the Shadow Cabinet aren't millionaires? Of course they are. They've no more idea about the day to day life of the ordinary citizen than any politician. They are all completely detached from reality and say what they need to say in order to appeal to the lowest common denominator. Weymouth Ex-pat

12:33am Sun 15 Dec 13

Weymouth Ex-pat says...

westbaywonder wrote:
zxy987 wrote:
Roll on the next election, Tories preach austerity but how many of those Etonites are suffering. Cameron disagrees with MPs pay rise because he doesnt need it and knows its a' fait accompli.' anyway. We are now known as nation of the homeless with mums and children suffering in bedsits. Disgraceful for a civilised society. Tories wheres your conscience?
Agree with that zxy987 totally.
Why am i now reading on a cornflakes box about helping kids to have a breakfast every day,not in some third world country but here in the UK .
I could not believe what i was reading,nearly fell off the chair.
What an utter disgrace that this is on cereal boxes concerning UK kids.
I am ashamed to see this,also makes me very sad.
About time there was a revolution in this land,Get rid of every political party,and start again.
Until we do,we are like hamsters on a wheel forever going round and will never get anywhere.
Peoples Republic Of England,citizens this is what is needed and one day it will happen,
To think those cereal boxes are on shelves in our land telling the world we cant feed our own kids.
Absolute shameful disgrace!!!
I hope Cameron and his cronies see this on their breakfast table.
Eton knobs!!!!!
Grow up.
[quote][p][bold]westbaywonder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]zxy987[/bold] wrote: Roll on the next election, Tories preach austerity but how many of those Etonites are suffering. Cameron disagrees with MPs pay rise because he doesnt need it and knows its a' fait accompli.' anyway. We are now known as nation of the homeless with mums and children suffering in bedsits. Disgraceful for a civilised society. Tories wheres your conscience?[/p][/quote]Agree with that zxy987 totally. Why am i now reading on a cornflakes box about helping kids to have a breakfast every day,not in some third world country but here in the UK . I could not believe what i was reading,nearly fell off the chair. What an utter disgrace that this is on cereal boxes concerning UK kids. I am ashamed to see this,also makes me very sad. About time there was a revolution in this land,Get rid of every political party,and start again. Until we do,we are like hamsters on a wheel forever going round and will never get anywhere. Peoples Republic Of England,citizens this is what is needed and one day it will happen, To think those cereal boxes are on shelves in our land telling the world we cant feed our own kids. Absolute shameful disgrace!!! I hope Cameron and his cronies see this on their breakfast table. Eton knobs!!!!![/p][/quote]Grow up. Weymouth Ex-pat

4:24am Sun 15 Dec 13

westbaywonder says...

Weymouth Ex-pat wrote:
westbaywonder wrote:
zxy987 wrote:
Roll on the next election, Tories preach austerity but how many of those Etonites are suffering. Cameron disagrees with MPs pay rise because he doesnt need it and knows its a' fait accompli.' anyway. We are now known as nation of the homeless with mums and children suffering in bedsits. Disgraceful for a civilised society. Tories wheres your conscience?
Agree with that zxy987 totally.
Why am i now reading on a cornflakes box about helping kids to have a breakfast every day,not in some third world country but here in the UK .
I could not believe what i was reading,nearly fell off the chair.
What an utter disgrace that this is on cereal boxes concerning UK kids.
I am ashamed to see this,also makes me very sad.
About time there was a revolution in this land,Get rid of every political party,and start again.
Until we do,we are like hamsters on a wheel forever going round and will never get anywhere.
Peoples Republic Of England,citizens this is what is needed and one day it will happen,
To think those cereal boxes are on shelves in our land telling the world we cant feed our own kids.
Absolute shameful disgrace!!!
I hope Cameron and his cronies see this on their breakfast table.
Eton knobs!!!!!
Grow up.
Weymouth Ex ****!!! LOL

Now jog on son,**** IDIOT!!!
[quote][p][bold]Weymouth Ex-pat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]westbaywonder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]zxy987[/bold] wrote: Roll on the next election, Tories preach austerity but how many of those Etonites are suffering. Cameron disagrees with MPs pay rise because he doesnt need it and knows its a' fait accompli.' anyway. We are now known as nation of the homeless with mums and children suffering in bedsits. Disgraceful for a civilised society. Tories wheres your conscience?[/p][/quote]Agree with that zxy987 totally. Why am i now reading on a cornflakes box about helping kids to have a breakfast every day,not in some third world country but here in the UK . I could not believe what i was reading,nearly fell off the chair. What an utter disgrace that this is on cereal boxes concerning UK kids. I am ashamed to see this,also makes me very sad. About time there was a revolution in this land,Get rid of every political party,and start again. Until we do,we are like hamsters on a wheel forever going round and will never get anywhere. Peoples Republic Of England,citizens this is what is needed and one day it will happen, To think those cereal boxes are on shelves in our land telling the world we cant feed our own kids. Absolute shameful disgrace!!! I hope Cameron and his cronies see this on their breakfast table. Eton knobs!!!!![/p][/quote]Grow up.[/p][/quote]Weymouth Ex ****!!! LOL Now jog on son,**** IDIOT!!! westbaywonder

4:27am Sun 15 Dec 13

westbaywonder says...

Weymouth Ex ****! LOL

Another **** !!
Now jog on son!!
Weymouth Ex ****! LOL Another **** !! Now jog on son!! westbaywonder

6:32am Sun 15 Dec 13

Parliamentarian says...

The English Revolution 2014. It's coming.
The English Revolution 2014. It's coming. Parliamentarian

9:27am Sun 15 Dec 13

woodsedge says...

Just remember, when you talk about slashing services you are talking about slashing jobs. These are citizens, the same as you, who need to eat, live and pay their bills. Slashing jobs means for the short term or possibly the long term, putting working people out of work and onto benefits paid by US. The effect of this is that these people will have less local spending power that will impact on local business. You have to also remember that DCC is losing experienced staff capable of undertaking complicated issues on our behalf's, and replacing them with less experienced employees who will have to be trained at additional cost! In some circumstances only replacing with agency staff who are more expensive and show little loyalty to their employer. I am not saying that budgets do not have to be reduced but why do we have to suffer knee jerk reactions and a slash and burn mentality? Working people are working people regardless of whether they work in the private or public sector, and all the time working people are putting the boot into each other, we are letting the really guilty people I.e. Labour, Tories Lib Dem off the hook.
Just remember, when you talk about slashing services you are talking about slashing jobs. These are citizens, the same as you, who need to eat, live and pay their bills. Slashing jobs means for the short term or possibly the long term, putting working people out of work and onto benefits paid by US. The effect of this is that these people will have less local spending power that will impact on local business. You have to also remember that DCC is losing experienced staff capable of undertaking complicated issues on our behalf's, and replacing them with less experienced employees who will have to be trained at additional cost! In some circumstances only replacing with agency staff who are more expensive and show little loyalty to their employer. I am not saying that budgets do not have to be reduced but why do we have to suffer knee jerk reactions and a slash and burn mentality? Working people are working people regardless of whether they work in the private or public sector, and all the time working people are putting the boot into each other, we are letting the really guilty people I.e. Labour, Tories Lib Dem off the hook. woodsedge

10:24am Sun 15 Dec 13

dave.flowers says...

Perhaps DCC can explain why over the Christmas period why the council office is not closing down for the week, (they are only closing Christmas day, Boxing day and New Years Day) If the council closed over this period they would save some money, take 1 week holiday from employees annual holiday entitlement to cover the festive break.
Secondly, the toilets and urinals are running 24/7, in every building, every 10 minutes, wasting clean water. The toilets are not using Hippos.
Thirdly, Cleaning in county hall is over kill, toilets are cleaned 4 time a day, surely this can be reduced, with the cleaning the council is paying for window cleaning to a company, we have never, ever in over 3 years have our windows been cleaned. BRING THE CLEANING CONTRACT BACK INTO COUNCIL, the cleaning contract for county, schools and other buildings owned/rented for the council is worth £8,000,000 per contract.
DCC employees have free parking when in council car-parks, why the heck do they not charge a nominal fee for parking, but did the public know that the council have NO powers to clamp if the public want to use the council car-park during office hours, they can without the worry of parking fines or clamping.
Perhaps DCC can explain why over the Christmas period why the council office is not closing down for the week, (they are only closing Christmas day, Boxing day and New Years Day) If the council closed over this period they would save some money, take 1 week holiday from employees annual holiday entitlement to cover the festive break. Secondly, the toilets and urinals are running 24/7, in every building, every 10 minutes, wasting clean water. The toilets are not using Hippos. Thirdly, Cleaning in county hall is over kill, toilets are cleaned 4 time a day, surely this can be reduced, with the cleaning the council is paying for window cleaning to a company, we have never, ever in over 3 years have our windows been cleaned. BRING THE CLEANING CONTRACT BACK INTO COUNCIL, the cleaning contract for county, schools and other buildings owned/rented for the council is worth £8,000,000 per contract. DCC employees have free parking when in council car-parks, why the heck do they not charge a nominal fee for parking, but did the public know that the council have NO powers to clamp if the public want to use the council car-park during office hours, they can without the worry of parking fines or clamping. dave.flowers

1:02pm Sun 15 Dec 13

GMax says...

The thing that really does **** me of is the fact that they are now saying they need to save another £30M yet quite recently the Dorchester prison service was WASTING thousands of pounds worth of very usable stuff.
Perhaps they need to start looking to stop WASTING instead of looking how can we cut more services.
.
GMax.
The thing that really does **** me of is the fact that they are now saying they need to save another £30M yet quite recently the Dorchester prison service was WASTING thousands of pounds worth of very usable stuff. Perhaps they need to start looking to stop WASTING instead of looking how can we cut more services. . GMax. GMax

2:04pm Sun 15 Dec 13

broadweybill says...

Looking forward to the next election already. Anyone earning less than £100k who votes Tory is a turkey voting for Christmas...just ask yourself what have they done for you?

Did turning our education system over to private companies and allowing unqualified teachers to teach help your children? Did allowing universities to charge £9k tuition fees help your children? Did attempting to turn our NHS into an American style system where so many suffer help you? Does attempting to abolish the EU working time directive so everyone can work more than 48 hours a week with no recourse help you? Make no mistake, these cuts will affect our services, and they are forced on us by a Tory government made up of MPs who will not be affected and who hate everything that is not powered by greed and profit.
Looking forward to the next election already. Anyone earning less than £100k who votes Tory is a turkey voting for Christmas...just ask yourself what have they done for you? Did turning our education system over to private companies and allowing unqualified teachers to teach help your children? Did allowing universities to charge £9k tuition fees help your children? Did attempting to turn our NHS into an American style system where so many suffer help you? Does attempting to abolish the EU working time directive so everyone can work more than 48 hours a week with no recourse help you? Make no mistake, these cuts will affect our services, and they are forced on us by a Tory government made up of MPs who will not be affected and who hate everything that is not powered by greed and profit. broadweybill

3:26pm Sun 15 Dec 13

IDONTKNOWIFITISTRRUE says...

broadweybill
What is the alternative?
I am not suggesting that we necessarily vote Tory but are we to abstain or spoil our voting paper?
Are you suggesting Liebour or the Un-liberals are beneficial?
Other parties have no track record against which we can judge them.
broadweybill What is the alternative? I am not suggesting that we necessarily vote Tory but are we to abstain or spoil our voting paper? Are you suggesting Liebour or the Un-liberals are beneficial? Other parties have no track record against which we can judge them. IDONTKNOWIFITISTRRUE

3:47pm Sun 15 Dec 13

slayerofsacredcows says...

IDONTKNOWIFITISTRRUE wrote:
broadweybill
What is the alternative?
I am not suggesting that we necessarily vote Tory but are we to abstain or spoil our voting paper?
Are you suggesting Liebour or the Un-liberals are beneficial?
Other parties have no track record against which we can judge them.
Politicians fondly think we vote for them; Actually I vote against them by selecting the candidate who is the "least worst option".
The biggest mistake was losing the "Single Transferable Vote / Alternative Vote" referendum. This would have enabled us to vote for whom we wanted first, with an alternative vote for the least worst option from the main contenders.
On track record: Every Labour government except the Attlee government of 1945 has ruined the economy and nearly brought the country to its knees. The conservative governments have been variable. The present coalition is a bit above average, but a labour government would be an unmitigated disaster. So vote to prevent that!
[quote][p][bold]IDONTKNOWIFITISTRRUE[/bold] wrote: broadweybill What is the alternative? I am not suggesting that we necessarily vote Tory but are we to abstain or spoil our voting paper? Are you suggesting Liebour or the Un-liberals are beneficial? Other parties have no track record against which we can judge them.[/p][/quote]Politicians fondly think we vote for them; Actually I vote against them by selecting the candidate who is the "least worst option". The biggest mistake was losing the "Single Transferable Vote / Alternative Vote" referendum. This would have enabled us to vote for whom we wanted first, with an alternative vote for the least worst option from the main contenders. On track record: Every Labour government except the Attlee government of 1945 has ruined the economy and nearly brought the country to its knees. The conservative governments have been variable. The present coalition is a bit above average, but a labour government would be an unmitigated disaster. So vote to prevent that! slayerofsacredcows

6:45pm Sun 15 Dec 13

woodsedge says...

slayerofsacredcows wrote:
IDONTKNOWIFITISTRRUE wrote:
broadweybill
What is the alternative?
I am not suggesting that we necessarily vote Tory but are we to abstain or spoil our voting paper?
Are you suggesting Liebour or the Un-liberals are beneficial?
Other parties have no track record against which we can judge them.
Politicians fondly think we vote for them; Actually I vote against them by selecting the candidate who is the "least worst option".
The biggest mistake was losing the "Single Transferable Vote / Alternative Vote" referendum. This would have enabled us to vote for whom we wanted first, with an alternative vote for the least worst option from the main contenders.
On track record: Every Labour government except the Attlee government of 1945 has ruined the economy and nearly brought the country to its knees. The conservative governments have been variable. The present coalition is a bit above average, but a labour government would be an unmitigated disaster. So vote to prevent that!
"The present coalition is a bit above average" really! If the Tories get in with a majority there will be carnage for working people, and if they get in with the Lib's propping them up playing patsy there will equally be carnage. And before the right wing warriors start, no I am not subscribing to vote Labour. In my opinion none of the current parties are electable and UKIP are not the answer. What we need is a political system that rewards the working classes, not like the one we have had for years where we are just the election fodder that makes the rich richer.
[quote][p][bold]slayerofsacredcows[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IDONTKNOWIFITISTRRUE[/bold] wrote: broadweybill What is the alternative? I am not suggesting that we necessarily vote Tory but are we to abstain or spoil our voting paper? Are you suggesting Liebour or the Un-liberals are beneficial? Other parties have no track record against which we can judge them.[/p][/quote]Politicians fondly think we vote for them; Actually I vote against them by selecting the candidate who is the "least worst option". The biggest mistake was losing the "Single Transferable Vote / Alternative Vote" referendum. This would have enabled us to vote for whom we wanted first, with an alternative vote for the least worst option from the main contenders. On track record: Every Labour government except the Attlee government of 1945 has ruined the economy and nearly brought the country to its knees. The conservative governments have been variable. The present coalition is a bit above average, but a labour government would be an unmitigated disaster. So vote to prevent that![/p][/quote]"The present coalition is a bit above average" really! If the Tories get in with a majority there will be carnage for working people, and if they get in with the Lib's propping them up playing patsy there will equally be carnage. And before the right wing warriors start, no I am not subscribing to vote Labour. In my opinion none of the current parties are electable and UKIP are not the answer. What we need is a political system that rewards the working classes, not like the one we have had for years where we are just the election fodder that makes the rich richer. woodsedge

9:26pm Sun 15 Dec 13

smilealoft44 says...

The report says 710 jobs/post have been cut. I expect most of these were job losses, as the cuts have abolished the position. The only people to blame for the cuts is the present goverment. They have slashed every budget that is spent in this country. People need to wake up and create a society fit for the benefit of the working people and the people who in the past have made a contribution to our society. The jobs lost will be gone forever and some of those people will be on benefits, benefits that have been cut by this goverment so will this mean these people are on the slippery slop down.
Please vote the present members of parliment out asap, and think about the future of our country. On January the 1st the borders open will this help the local authority with money?. Or will it mean more cuts?
We know who suffers its people like you and i, the old the young and the sick.
The report says 710 jobs/post have been cut. I expect most of these were job losses, as the cuts have abolished the position. The only people to blame for the cuts is the present goverment. They have slashed every budget that is spent in this country. People need to wake up and create a society fit for the benefit of the working people and the people who in the past have made a contribution to our society. The jobs lost will be gone forever and some of those people will be on benefits, benefits that have been cut by this goverment so will this mean these people are on the slippery slop down. Please vote the present members of parliment out asap, and think about the future of our country. On January the 1st the borders open will this help the local authority with money?. Or will it mean more cuts? We know who suffers its people like you and i, the old the young and the sick. smilealoft44

10:21pm Sun 15 Dec 13

fancyabrew says...

woodsedge wrote:
Just remember, when you talk about slashing services you are talking about slashing jobs. These are citizens, the same as you, who need to eat, live and pay their bills. Slashing jobs means for the short term or possibly the long term, putting working people out of work and onto benefits paid by US. The effect of this is that these people will have less local spending power that will impact on local business. You have to also remember that DCC is losing experienced staff capable of undertaking complicated issues on our behalf's, and replacing them with less experienced employees who will have to be trained at additional cost! In some circumstances only replacing with agency staff who are more expensive and show little loyalty to their employer. I am not saying that budgets do not have to be reduced but why do we have to suffer knee jerk reactions and a slash and burn mentality? Working people are working people regardless of whether they work in the private or public sector, and all the time working people are putting the boot into each other, we are letting the really guilty people I.e. Labour, Tories Lib Dem off the hook.
Unfortunately woosedge is correct and the slashing of services will more than likely mean job losses,
Knowing several current and former Council employees, I'm lead to believe that during the period, not so long ago, when our council tax was increasing by double the rate of inflation year on year, eligible members of staff were allowed to take early retirement, only to be re-engaged as consultants on twice the money, for half the hours, doing the same job.
If this is true it demonstrates that senior management is not fit for purpose.
Commence any restructuring at the top!
[quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: Just remember, when you talk about slashing services you are talking about slashing jobs. These are citizens, the same as you, who need to eat, live and pay their bills. Slashing jobs means for the short term or possibly the long term, putting working people out of work and onto benefits paid by US. The effect of this is that these people will have less local spending power that will impact on local business. You have to also remember that DCC is losing experienced staff capable of undertaking complicated issues on our behalf's, and replacing them with less experienced employees who will have to be trained at additional cost! In some circumstances only replacing with agency staff who are more expensive and show little loyalty to their employer. I am not saying that budgets do not have to be reduced but why do we have to suffer knee jerk reactions and a slash and burn mentality? Working people are working people regardless of whether they work in the private or public sector, and all the time working people are putting the boot into each other, we are letting the really guilty people I.e. Labour, Tories Lib Dem off the hook.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately woosedge is correct and the slashing of services will more than likely mean job losses, Knowing several current and former Council employees, I'm lead to believe that during the period, not so long ago, when our council tax was increasing by double the rate of inflation year on year, eligible members of staff were allowed to take early retirement, only to be re-engaged as consultants on twice the money, for half the hours, doing the same job. If this is true it demonstrates that senior management is not fit for purpose. Commence any restructuring at the top! fancyabrew

10:50am Mon 16 Dec 13

Weymouth Ex-pat says...

http://blogs.lse.ac.
uk/politicsandpolicy
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http://blogs.lse.ac. uk/politicsandpolicy /archives/38044 Weymouth Ex-pat

10:09pm Mon 16 Dec 13

JamesYoung says...

woodsedge wrote:
Just remember, when you talk about slashing services you are talking about slashing jobs. These are citizens, the same as you, who need to eat, live and pay their bills. Slashing jobs means for the short term or possibly the long term, putting working people out of work and onto benefits paid by US. The effect of this is that these people will have less local spending power that will impact on local business. You have to also remember that DCC is losing experienced staff capable of undertaking complicated issues on our behalf's, and replacing them with less experienced employees who will have to be trained at additional cost! In some circumstances only replacing with agency staff who are more expensive and show little loyalty to their employer. I am not saying that budgets do not have to be reduced but why do we have to suffer knee jerk reactions and a slash and burn mentality? Working people are working people regardless of whether they work in the private or public sector, and all the time working people are putting the boot into each other, we are letting the really guilty people I.e. Labour, Tories Lib Dem off the hook.
Not strictly true in the sense that "the rest of us" already pay 100% of the wages and pensions earned in the public sector, so any reduction in expenditure by council staff being made redundant nets itself out.
However your other points are valid; what is needed is intelligent top down cuts and the merger of functions such as that between WDDC and WPBC. Slash and burn is not the answer; it is always the vulnerable that suffer.
[quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: Just remember, when you talk about slashing services you are talking about slashing jobs. These are citizens, the same as you, who need to eat, live and pay their bills. Slashing jobs means for the short term or possibly the long term, putting working people out of work and onto benefits paid by US. The effect of this is that these people will have less local spending power that will impact on local business. You have to also remember that DCC is losing experienced staff capable of undertaking complicated issues on our behalf's, and replacing them with less experienced employees who will have to be trained at additional cost! In some circumstances only replacing with agency staff who are more expensive and show little loyalty to their employer. I am not saying that budgets do not have to be reduced but why do we have to suffer knee jerk reactions and a slash and burn mentality? Working people are working people regardless of whether they work in the private or public sector, and all the time working people are putting the boot into each other, we are letting the really guilty people I.e. Labour, Tories Lib Dem off the hook.[/p][/quote]Not strictly true in the sense that "the rest of us" already pay 100% of the wages and pensions earned in the public sector, so any reduction in expenditure by council staff being made redundant nets itself out. However your other points are valid; what is needed is intelligent top down cuts and the merger of functions such as that between WDDC and WPBC. Slash and burn is not the answer; it is always the vulnerable that suffer. JamesYoung

7:52am Tue 17 Dec 13

woodsedge says...

JamesYoung wrote:
woodsedge wrote:
Just remember, when you talk about slashing services you are talking about slashing jobs. These are citizens, the same as you, who need to eat, live and pay their bills. Slashing jobs means for the short term or possibly the long term, putting working people out of work and onto benefits paid by US. The effect of this is that these people will have less local spending power that will impact on local business. You have to also remember that DCC is losing experienced staff capable of undertaking complicated issues on our behalf's, and replacing them with less experienced employees who will have to be trained at additional cost! In some circumstances only replacing with agency staff who are more expensive and show little loyalty to their employer. I am not saying that budgets do not have to be reduced but why do we have to suffer knee jerk reactions and a slash and burn mentality? Working people are working people regardless of whether they work in the private or public sector, and all the time working people are putting the boot into each other, we are letting the really guilty people I.e. Labour, Tories Lib Dem off the hook.
Not strictly true in the sense that "the rest of us" already pay 100% of the wages and pensions earned in the public sector, so any reduction in expenditure by council staff being made redundant nets itself out.
However your other points are valid; what is needed is intelligent top down cuts and the merger of functions such as that between WDDC and WPBC. Slash and burn is not the answer; it is always the vulnerable that suffer.
So who pays the benefits of those that lose their jobs then James? Who pays a 100% of government contracts including wages/pensions outsourced into the private sector? Would it be the tax payer? Again you have decided to marginalise one group of working people from another. At least we agree that the continual short term cuts without any rational succession planning is not the answer.
[quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: Just remember, when you talk about slashing services you are talking about slashing jobs. These are citizens, the same as you, who need to eat, live and pay their bills. Slashing jobs means for the short term or possibly the long term, putting working people out of work and onto benefits paid by US. The effect of this is that these people will have less local spending power that will impact on local business. You have to also remember that DCC is losing experienced staff capable of undertaking complicated issues on our behalf's, and replacing them with less experienced employees who will have to be trained at additional cost! In some circumstances only replacing with agency staff who are more expensive and show little loyalty to their employer. I am not saying that budgets do not have to be reduced but why do we have to suffer knee jerk reactions and a slash and burn mentality? Working people are working people regardless of whether they work in the private or public sector, and all the time working people are putting the boot into each other, we are letting the really guilty people I.e. Labour, Tories Lib Dem off the hook.[/p][/quote]Not strictly true in the sense that "the rest of us" already pay 100% of the wages and pensions earned in the public sector, so any reduction in expenditure by council staff being made redundant nets itself out. However your other points are valid; what is needed is intelligent top down cuts and the merger of functions such as that between WDDC and WPBC. Slash and burn is not the answer; it is always the vulnerable that suffer.[/p][/quote]So who pays the benefits of those that lose their jobs then James? Who pays a 100% of government contracts including wages/pensions outsourced into the private sector? Would it be the tax payer? Again you have decided to marginalise one group of working people from another. At least we agree that the continual short term cuts without any rational succession planning is not the answer. woodsedge

12:56pm Tue 17 Dec 13

slayerofsacredcows says...

A lot of this is moving money between different "pots". Council wages are paid by the DCC. Unemployment pay by the government. Cutting back on care puts costs onto the NHS, again not a DCC responsibility. In the end as others have said, the taxpayer pays.
However, you can't have an economy where everyone provides services and nobody produces anything. Cutbacks which produce genuine efficiency savings are essential, not just moving the cost around off your patch!
A lot of this is moving money between different "pots". Council wages are paid by the DCC. Unemployment pay by the government. Cutting back on care puts costs onto the NHS, again not a DCC responsibility. In the end as others have said, the taxpayer pays. However, you can't have an economy where everyone provides services and nobody produces anything. Cutbacks which produce genuine efficiency savings are essential, not just moving the cost around off your patch! slayerofsacredcows

9:56pm Tue 17 Dec 13

smilealoft44 says...

The only way to run the country is for people to be employed pay a rate of tax that pays for the services required. The companys that work from other countrys must pay tax here and the rich must pay more.
The only way to run the country is for people to be employed pay a rate of tax that pays for the services required. The companys that work from other countrys must pay tax here and the rich must pay more. smilealoft44

6:00pm Wed 18 Dec 13

mark@greenhill says...

Makes an amusing read, all this.

Some people actually believe that Labour getting into power, would actually improve their lives?

Sadly, they are still naive enough to vote for a govt that will borrow more to give the masses what they want. This borrowing will further increase the national debt, and that all the hardships of the last 5 years, will be for nothing.

Labour supporters seem to live in this cuckoo land of thinking we can borrow money, and that the fairy's will pay it off.

They do need to be reminded, that we are in the dire financial straits that we are, due largely because the last labour govt borrowed continuously and relentlessly to keep the good times rolling, it was a scenario for disaster, and finally it came.

Don't for one minute think that a new Labour govt will be any different, and if elected will condemn us all to much more of this austerity in the long run.

It might come as a surprise to some, but, IF YOU BORROW MONEY, YOU HAVE TO PAY IT BACK.
Makes an amusing read, all this. Some people actually believe that Labour getting into power, would actually improve their lives? Sadly, they are still naive enough to vote for a govt that will borrow more to give the masses what they want. This borrowing will further increase the national debt, and that all the hardships of the last 5 years, will be for nothing. Labour supporters seem to live in this cuckoo land of thinking we can borrow money, and that the fairy's will pay it off. They do need to be reminded, that we are in the dire financial straits that we are, due largely because the last labour govt borrowed continuously and relentlessly to keep the good times rolling, it was a scenario for disaster, and finally it came. Don't for one minute think that a new Labour govt will be any different, and if elected will condemn us all to much more of this austerity in the long run. It might come as a surprise to some, but, IF YOU BORROW MONEY, YOU HAVE TO PAY IT BACK. mark@greenhill

8:18pm Wed 18 Dec 13

westbaywonder says...

Weymouth Ex Pat
You are still such aTWAT!!!!!!!!!!
Weymouth Ex Pat You are still such aTWAT!!!!!!!!!! westbaywonder

11:34am Fri 20 Dec 13

JamesYoung says...

woodsedge wrote:
JamesYoung wrote:
woodsedge wrote:
Just remember, when you talk about slashing services you are talking about slashing jobs. These are citizens, the same as you, who need to eat, live and pay their bills. Slashing jobs means for the short term or possibly the long term, putting working people out of work and onto benefits paid by US. The effect of this is that these people will have less local spending power that will impact on local business. You have to also remember that DCC is losing experienced staff capable of undertaking complicated issues on our behalf's, and replacing them with less experienced employees who will have to be trained at additional cost! In some circumstances only replacing with agency staff who are more expensive and show little loyalty to their employer. I am not saying that budgets do not have to be reduced but why do we have to suffer knee jerk reactions and a slash and burn mentality? Working people are working people regardless of whether they work in the private or public sector, and all the time working people are putting the boot into each other, we are letting the really guilty people I.e. Labour, Tories Lib Dem off the hook.
Not strictly true in the sense that "the rest of us" already pay 100% of the wages and pensions earned in the public sector, so any reduction in expenditure by council staff being made redundant nets itself out.
However your other points are valid; what is needed is intelligent top down cuts and the merger of functions such as that between WDDC and WPBC. Slash and burn is not the answer; it is always the vulnerable that suffer.
So who pays the benefits of those that lose their jobs then James? Who pays a 100% of government contracts including wages/pensions outsourced into the private sector? Would it be the tax payer? Again you have decided to marginalise one group of working people from another. At least we agree that the continual short term cuts without any rational succession planning is not the answer.
Not the first time you've asked me to explain this, Woodsedge. Do me a favour and read it this time :-).
Let's assume everybody (public and private) earns £20,000 and the tax rate is 25%. Unemployed people get £10k (again, as a simple example)
So, private sector worker: Earns £20k, pays £5k. Government bank account INCREASES by £5k
Public sector worker: earns £20k, pays £5k tax, same as the private sector worker. Government bank account REDUCES by £15k.
See the difference?
Now, the bogeyman comes along and fires the Public sector worker, who now only gets benefits of £10k. Government bank INCREASES by £5k.
So this nonsense that if you fire public sector workers, the rest of us have to pay more in tax, is just that: nonsense.
As a final point, i'm not suggesting we should fire public sector workers without good reason - in fact, as i've said before, the equation should work the other way. Because the reality is that by the time you add in the cost of housing benefit, jobseekers, etc, etc the cost of an unemployed person with a family is not significantly different to a low waged public sector workers, all unemployed people could be made public sector employers at the stroke of a pen. Probably the only reason they don't is because the major difference in cost is in pension provision. Anyway, this would have a dramatic effect on public service provision and would also give some hope and aspiration to those that currently don't work.
I'm not going to get drawn into the whole government contracts argument, because i suspect that you and I both agree that outsourcing "core" services (care related, predominantly) is criminal.
[quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: Just remember, when you talk about slashing services you are talking about slashing jobs. These are citizens, the same as you, who need to eat, live and pay their bills. Slashing jobs means for the short term or possibly the long term, putting working people out of work and onto benefits paid by US. The effect of this is that these people will have less local spending power that will impact on local business. You have to also remember that DCC is losing experienced staff capable of undertaking complicated issues on our behalf's, and replacing them with less experienced employees who will have to be trained at additional cost! In some circumstances only replacing with agency staff who are more expensive and show little loyalty to their employer. I am not saying that budgets do not have to be reduced but why do we have to suffer knee jerk reactions and a slash and burn mentality? Working people are working people regardless of whether they work in the private or public sector, and all the time working people are putting the boot into each other, we are letting the really guilty people I.e. Labour, Tories Lib Dem off the hook.[/p][/quote]Not strictly true in the sense that "the rest of us" already pay 100% of the wages and pensions earned in the public sector, so any reduction in expenditure by council staff being made redundant nets itself out. However your other points are valid; what is needed is intelligent top down cuts and the merger of functions such as that between WDDC and WPBC. Slash and burn is not the answer; it is always the vulnerable that suffer.[/p][/quote]So who pays the benefits of those that lose their jobs then James? Who pays a 100% of government contracts including wages/pensions outsourced into the private sector? Would it be the tax payer? Again you have decided to marginalise one group of working people from another. At least we agree that the continual short term cuts without any rational succession planning is not the answer.[/p][/quote]Not the first time you've asked me to explain this, Woodsedge. Do me a favour and read it this time :-). Let's assume everybody (public and private) earns £20,000 and the tax rate is 25%. Unemployed people get £10k (again, as a simple example) So, private sector worker: Earns £20k, pays £5k. Government bank account INCREASES by £5k Public sector worker: earns £20k, pays £5k tax, same as the private sector worker. Government bank account REDUCES by £15k. See the difference? Now, the bogeyman comes along and fires the Public sector worker, who now only gets benefits of £10k. Government bank INCREASES by £5k. So this nonsense that if you fire public sector workers, the rest of us have to pay more in tax, is just that: nonsense. As a final point, i'm not suggesting we should fire public sector workers without good reason - in fact, as i've said before, the equation should work the other way. Because the reality is that by the time you add in the cost of housing benefit, jobseekers, etc, etc the cost of an unemployed person with a family is not significantly different to a low waged public sector workers, all unemployed people could be made public sector employers at the stroke of a pen. Probably the only reason they don't is because the major difference in cost is in pension provision. Anyway, this would have a dramatic effect on public service provision and would also give some hope and aspiration to those that currently don't work. I'm not going to get drawn into the whole government contracts argument, because i suspect that you and I both agree that outsourcing "core" services (care related, predominantly) is criminal. JamesYoung

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