Portland councillors in move to scrap island's huge precept hike

RESTART THE DEBATE: Councillor Tim Munro

RESTART THE DEBATE: Councillor Tim Munro

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PORTLAND councillors under fire for hiking up the council tax precept by 1,000 per cent look set to go back to the drawing board and start the budget process again.

Town councillors have been under great pressure to rethink a decision to increase the precept, a move which would generate more money for the island.

Councillor Tim Munro, who put forward the proposal, is now urging councillors to scrap decisions made on the precept and start again.

He has put forward a request for an addition to the agenda at a town council meeting on February 5.

It is for a special resolution to rescind earlier resolved decisions made at meetings in December and January.

In accordance with standing orders which govern council business, the resolution must bear the names of four members. These are Councillors Tim Munro, Amanda Munro, Elspie Munro-Price and Ian Munro-Price.

The public meeting tonight at All Saints Church at Easton will still go ahead and people attending will be informed of the latest proposal.

Coun Tim Munro said today: “We’ve not been very good with communications and it’s important that this debate needs to run its full length.

“It appears we have gone about this in a way which has not been engaging.

“This gives us the ability to start the debate with everyone knowing what we’re going to debate. It’s a way of correcting the way we have gone about things and engaging the community more widely.”

He added: “It’s likely the same proposal for the precept will come forward but we may come to a different conclusion.

“The main reason for putting this proposal forward was because of the threat of capping by the government next year.

“If that wasn’t going to happen we could have increased the precept gently over five to ten years.”

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2:27pm Mon 27 Jan 14

prestonpete says...

Tim, face it, you're finished (as a councillor)! The people of Portland will soon have their say, and I reckon you should get out whilst you still have your dignity.
Tim, face it, you're finished (as a councillor)! The people of Portland will soon have their say, and I reckon you should get out whilst you still have your dignity. prestonpete
  • Score: 25

2:34pm Mon 27 Jan 14

shy talk says...

“In accordance with standing orders which govern council business, the resolution must bear the names of four members. These are Councillors Tim Munro, Amanda Munro, Elspie Munro-Price and Ian Munro-Price”

The name Munro sums it all up Nepotism.
“In accordance with standing orders which govern council business, the resolution must bear the names of four members. These are Councillors Tim Munro, Amanda Munro, Elspie Munro-Price and Ian Munro-Price” The name Munro sums it all up Nepotism. shy talk
  • Score: 25

3:19pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Newground says...

I hope the Monros don't resign en bloc because of this unfortunate misunderstanding. To lose one such spirited public servant would be a tragedy; to lose four -- at least two of whom have beards -- would be a catastrophe for the island.

Indeed, in honour of their tireless and brilliant efforts I would like to propose an initiative to rename key Portland landmarks after them:.

1. The Monro Sandbanks (formerly Shambles)
2. The Monro Recycling Emporium (formerly Council Tip)
3. The Monro Stack (formerly Nicodemus' K**b)

Any other ideas would be warmly received.
I hope the Monros don't resign en bloc because of this unfortunate misunderstanding. To lose one such spirited public servant would be a tragedy; to lose four -- at least two of whom have beards -- would be a catastrophe for the island. Indeed, in honour of their tireless and brilliant efforts I would like to propose an initiative to rename key Portland landmarks after them:. 1. The Monro Sandbanks (formerly Shambles) 2. The Monro Recycling Emporium (formerly Council Tip) 3. The Monro Stack (formerly Nicodemus' K**b) Any other ideas would be warmly received. Newground
  • Score: 19

3:22pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Nomalice says...

Well, at last the penny has begun to drop. However the fact that the thought of INCREASING the precept is still alive and kicking within this out-of-touch mind,still troubles me, and I suspect others.

When local councils throughout the country are making adjustments,and limiting the effects on their constituents,ours is dreaming up ways of tightening the screw even more.

One way of gaining some more money, would be, to stop paying expenses to unnecessary,auxiliar
y,parish councillors. Add the present precept monies and use that as a fund for deserving projects.

Hey, it's not that mad an idea. But then again, I am not a Scottish Mountain.
Well, at last the penny has begun to drop. However the fact that the thought of INCREASING the precept is still alive and kicking within this out-of-touch mind,still troubles me, and I suspect others. When local councils throughout the country are making adjustments,and limiting the effects on their constituents,ours is dreaming up ways of tightening the screw even more. One way of gaining some more money, would be, to stop paying expenses to unnecessary,auxiliar y,parish councillors. Add the present precept monies and use that as a fund for deserving projects. Hey, it's not that mad an idea. But then again, I am not a Scottish Mountain. Nomalice
  • Score: 8

3:32pm Mon 27 Jan 14

smilealoft44 says...

Tonight the ptc must give us the answer we want there will be no rise on this tax other than the rate of inflation, max 2.6%.
Mr munro seems to be bullying again as the meeting tonight was to explain there reasons for such a big hike, now him and his family want to get together and backtrack.
Yes backtrack then give us notice your going to quit, and take your family members with you.
I then hope we can find some local people to replace you who are in the real world.
Tonight the ptc must give us the answer we want there will be no rise on this tax other than the rate of inflation, max 2.6%. Mr munro seems to be bullying again as the meeting tonight was to explain there reasons for such a big hike, now him and his family want to get together and backtrack. Yes backtrack then give us notice your going to quit, and take your family members with you. I then hope we can find some local people to replace you who are in the real world. smilealoft44
  • Score: 24

3:48pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Bob Goulding says...

Newground wrote:
I hope the Monros don't resign en bloc because of this unfortunate misunderstanding. To lose one such spirited public servant would be a tragedy; to lose four -- at least two of whom have beards -- would be a catastrophe for the island.

Indeed, in honour of their tireless and brilliant efforts I would like to propose an initiative to rename key Portland landmarks after them:.

1. The Monro Sandbanks (formerly Shambles)
2. The Monro Recycling Emporium (formerly Council Tip)
3. The Monro Stack (formerly Nicodemus' K**b)

Any other ideas would be warmly received.
There are already 283 mountains in Scotland known as the 'Munro peaks'. I think that will do don't you?
[quote][p][bold]Newground[/bold] wrote: I hope the Monros don't resign en bloc because of this unfortunate misunderstanding. To lose one such spirited public servant would be a tragedy; to lose four -- at least two of whom have beards -- would be a catastrophe for the island. Indeed, in honour of their tireless and brilliant efforts I would like to propose an initiative to rename key Portland landmarks after them:. 1. The Monro Sandbanks (formerly Shambles) 2. The Monro Recycling Emporium (formerly Council Tip) 3. The Monro Stack (formerly Nicodemus' K**b) Any other ideas would be warmly received.[/p][/quote]There are already 283 mountains in Scotland known as the 'Munro peaks'. I think that will do don't you? Bob Goulding
  • Score: 4

3:51pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Genghis says...

What we really need is for the Portland Town Crier to go around and tell everybody about it.
What we really need is for the Portland Town Crier to go around and tell everybody about it. Genghis
  • Score: 2

4:21pm Mon 27 Jan 14

t.munro says...

Newground wrote:
I hope the Monros don't resign en bloc because of this unfortunate misunderstanding. To lose one such spirited public servant would be a tragedy; to lose four -- at least two of whom have beards -- would be a catastrophe for the island. Indeed, in honour of their tireless and brilliant efforts I would like to propose an initiative to rename key Portland landmarks after them:. 1. The Monro Sandbanks (formerly Shambles) 2. The Monro Recycling Emporium (formerly Council Tip) 3. The Monro Stack (formerly Nicodemus' K**b) Any other ideas would be warmly received.
The correct spelling would be good
[quote][p][bold]Newground[/bold] wrote: I hope the Monros don't resign en bloc because of this unfortunate misunderstanding. To lose one such spirited public servant would be a tragedy; to lose four -- at least two of whom have beards -- would be a catastrophe for the island. Indeed, in honour of their tireless and brilliant efforts I would like to propose an initiative to rename key Portland landmarks after them:. 1. The Monro Sandbanks (formerly Shambles) 2. The Monro Recycling Emporium (formerly Council Tip) 3. The Monro Stack (formerly Nicodemus' K**b) Any other ideas would be warmly received.[/p][/quote]The correct spelling would be good t.munro
  • Score: -20

4:24pm Mon 27 Jan 14

PortlandandWeymouth says...

Newground wrote:
I hope the Monros don't resign en bloc because of this unfortunate misunderstanding. To lose one such spirited public servant would be a tragedy; to lose four -- at least two of whom have beards -- would be a catastrophe for the island.

Indeed, in honour of their tireless and brilliant efforts I would like to propose an initiative to rename key Portland landmarks after them:.

1. The Monro Sandbanks (formerly Shambles)
2. The Monro Recycling Emporium (formerly Council Tip)
3. The Monro Stack (formerly Nicodemus' K**b)

Any other ideas would be warmly received.
Could we not name it Munro's Knob?

Though that would mean removing it from his forehead...
[quote][p][bold]Newground[/bold] wrote: I hope the Monros don't resign en bloc because of this unfortunate misunderstanding. To lose one such spirited public servant would be a tragedy; to lose four -- at least two of whom have beards -- would be a catastrophe for the island. Indeed, in honour of their tireless and brilliant efforts I would like to propose an initiative to rename key Portland landmarks after them:. 1. The Monro Sandbanks (formerly Shambles) 2. The Monro Recycling Emporium (formerly Council Tip) 3. The Monro Stack (formerly Nicodemus' K**b) Any other ideas would be warmly received.[/p][/quote]Could we not name it Munro's Knob? Though that would mean removing it from his forehead... PortlandandWeymouth
  • Score: 14

4:26pm Mon 27 Jan 14

t.munro says...

shy talk wrote:
“In accordance with standing orders which govern council business, the resolution must bear the names of four members. These are Councillors Tim Munro, Amanda Munro, Elspie Munro-Price and Ian Munro-Price” The name Munro sums it all up Nepotism.
Nobody else suggested calling the decision in
[quote][p][bold]shy talk[/bold] wrote: “In accordance with standing orders which govern council business, the resolution must bear the names of four members. These are Councillors Tim Munro, Amanda Munro, Elspie Munro-Price and Ian Munro-Price” The name Munro sums it all up Nepotism.[/p][/quote]Nobody else suggested calling the decision in t.munro
  • Score: -8

4:39pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Schrodinger's Cat says...

t.munro wrote:
Newground wrote:
I hope the Monros don't resign en bloc because of this unfortunate misunderstanding. To lose one such spirited public servant would be a tragedy; to lose four -- at least two of whom have beards -- would be a catastrophe for the island. Indeed, in honour of their tireless and brilliant efforts I would like to propose an initiative to rename key Portland landmarks after them:. 1. The Monro Sandbanks (formerly Shambles) 2. The Monro Recycling Emporium (formerly Council Tip) 3. The Monro Stack (formerly Nicodemus' K**b) Any other ideas would be warmly received.
The correct spelling would be good
He's right you know. Newground, it's not Monros - I think the 'n' should be the fifth letter rather than the third
[quote][p][bold]t.munro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Newground[/bold] wrote: I hope the Monros don't resign en bloc because of this unfortunate misunderstanding. To lose one such spirited public servant would be a tragedy; to lose four -- at least two of whom have beards -- would be a catastrophe for the island. Indeed, in honour of their tireless and brilliant efforts I would like to propose an initiative to rename key Portland landmarks after them:. 1. The Monro Sandbanks (formerly Shambles) 2. The Monro Recycling Emporium (formerly Council Tip) 3. The Monro Stack (formerly Nicodemus' K**b) Any other ideas would be warmly received.[/p][/quote]The correct spelling would be good[/p][/quote]He's right you know. Newground, it's not Monros - I think the 'n' should be the fifth letter rather than the third Schrodinger's Cat
  • Score: 7

4:48pm Mon 27 Jan 14

smilealoft44 says...

t.munro wrote:
shy talk wrote:
“In accordance with standing orders which govern council business, the resolution must bear the names of four members. These are Councillors Tim Munro, Amanda Munro, Elspie Munro-Price and Ian Munro-Price” The name Munro sums it all up Nepotism.
Nobody else suggested calling the decision in
Thats because they dont know the rules of how to run things, where you seem to have everyone under your control.
[quote][p][bold]t.munro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shy talk[/bold] wrote: “In accordance with standing orders which govern council business, the resolution must bear the names of four members. These are Councillors Tim Munro, Amanda Munro, Elspie Munro-Price and Ian Munro-Price” The name Munro sums it all up Nepotism.[/p][/quote]Nobody else suggested calling the decision in[/p][/quote]Thats because they dont know the rules of how to run things, where you seem to have everyone under your control. smilealoft44
  • Score: 6

4:50pm Mon 27 Jan 14

radiator says...

Can we expect a notice of resignation tonight ? after all anything you propose now will have a vote of no confidence,perhaps the rest of your family will do the honourable thing and do the same.Have you thought of the damage you have done not only for ptc but for your relations business as well as your own,people have long memories you know Munro.
Can we expect a notice of resignation tonight ? after all anything you propose now will have a vote of no confidence,perhaps the rest of your family will do the honourable thing and do the same.Have you thought of the damage you have done not only for ptc but for your relations business as well as your own,people have long memories you know Munro. radiator
  • Score: 14

4:54pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Bob Goulding says...

t.munro wrote:
shy talk wrote:
“In accordance with standing orders which govern council business, the resolution must bear the names of four members. These are Councillors Tim Munro, Amanda Munro, Elspie Munro-Price and Ian Munro-Price” The name Munro sums it all up Nepotism.
Nobody else suggested calling the decision in
Probably embarrassed and distancing themselves from the inevitable fall-out. Good call on this occasion, however.
[quote][p][bold]t.munro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shy talk[/bold] wrote: “In accordance with standing orders which govern council business, the resolution must bear the names of four members. These are Councillors Tim Munro, Amanda Munro, Elspie Munro-Price and Ian Munro-Price” The name Munro sums it all up Nepotism.[/p][/quote]Nobody else suggested calling the decision in[/p][/quote]Probably embarrassed and distancing themselves from the inevitable fall-out. Good call on this occasion, however. Bob Goulding
  • Score: 4

4:55pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Newground says...

t.munro wrote:
Newground wrote:
I hope the Monros don't resign en bloc because of this unfortunate misunderstanding. To lose one such spirited public servant would be a tragedy; to lose four -- at least two of whom have beards -- would be a catastrophe for the island. Indeed, in honour of their tireless and brilliant efforts I would like to propose an initiative to rename key Portland landmarks after them:. 1. The Monro Sandbanks (formerly Shambles) 2. The Monro Recycling Emporium (formerly Council Tip) 3. The Monro Stack (formerly Nicodemus' K**b) Any other ideas would be warmly received.
The correct spelling would be good
I apologise. The word 'Knob' should not have two asterisks within.
[quote][p][bold]t.munro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Newground[/bold] wrote: I hope the Monros don't resign en bloc because of this unfortunate misunderstanding. To lose one such spirited public servant would be a tragedy; to lose four -- at least two of whom have beards -- would be a catastrophe for the island. Indeed, in honour of their tireless and brilliant efforts I would like to propose an initiative to rename key Portland landmarks after them:. 1. The Monro Sandbanks (formerly Shambles) 2. The Monro Recycling Emporium (formerly Council Tip) 3. The Monro Stack (formerly Nicodemus' K**b) Any other ideas would be warmly received.[/p][/quote]The correct spelling would be good[/p][/quote]I apologise. The word 'Knob' should not have two asterisks within. Newground
  • Score: 9

4:58pm Mon 27 Jan 14

notweymouth says...

t.munro wrote:
shy talk wrote:
“In accordance with standing orders which govern council business, the resolution must bear the names of four members. These are Councillors Tim Munro, Amanda Munro, Elspie Munro-Price and Ian Munro-Price” The name Munro sums it all up Nepotism.
Nobody else suggested calling the decision in
Cleverly twisting it round to make it look like you are saving the day when you caused it all in the first place - genius! Enjoy your retirement!
[quote][p][bold]t.munro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shy talk[/bold] wrote: “In accordance with standing orders which govern council business, the resolution must bear the names of four members. These are Councillors Tim Munro, Amanda Munro, Elspie Munro-Price and Ian Munro-Price” The name Munro sums it all up Nepotism.[/p][/quote]Nobody else suggested calling the decision in[/p][/quote]Cleverly twisting it round to make it look like you are saving the day when you caused it all in the first place - genius! Enjoy your retirement! notweymouth
  • Score: 10

5:09pm Mon 27 Jan 14

t.munro says...

Nomalice wrote:
Well, at last the penny has begun to drop. However the fact that the thought of INCREASING the precept is still alive and kicking within this out-of-touch mind,still troubles me, and I suspect others. When local councils throughout the country are making adjustments,and limiting the effects on their constituents,ours is dreaming up ways of tightening the screw even more. One way of gaining some more money, would be, to stop paying expenses to unnecessary,auxiliar y,parish councillors. Add the present precept monies and use that as a fund for deserving projects. Hey, it's not that mad an idea. But then again, I am not a Scottish Mountain.
There are no expenses for Councillors
[quote][p][bold]Nomalice[/bold] wrote: Well, at last the penny has begun to drop. However the fact that the thought of INCREASING the precept is still alive and kicking within this out-of-touch mind,still troubles me, and I suspect others. When local councils throughout the country are making adjustments,and limiting the effects on their constituents,ours is dreaming up ways of tightening the screw even more. One way of gaining some more money, would be, to stop paying expenses to unnecessary,auxiliar y,parish councillors. Add the present precept monies and use that as a fund for deserving projects. Hey, it's not that mad an idea. But then again, I am not a Scottish Mountain.[/p][/quote]There are no expenses for Councillors t.munro
  • Score: -6

5:10pm Mon 27 Jan 14

t.munro says...

smilealoft44 wrote:
t.munro wrote:
shy talk wrote: “In accordance with standing orders which govern council business, the resolution must bear the names of four members. These are Councillors Tim Munro, Amanda Munro, Elspie Munro-Price and Ian Munro-Price” The name Munro sums it all up Nepotism.
Nobody else suggested calling the decision in
Thats because they dont know the rules of how to run things, where you seem to have everyone under your control.
Great disrespect to the Councillors on PTC
[quote][p][bold]smilealoft44[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]t.munro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shy talk[/bold] wrote: “In accordance with standing orders which govern council business, the resolution must bear the names of four members. These are Councillors Tim Munro, Amanda Munro, Elspie Munro-Price and Ian Munro-Price” The name Munro sums it all up Nepotism.[/p][/quote]Nobody else suggested calling the decision in[/p][/quote]Thats because they dont know the rules of how to run things, where you seem to have everyone under your control.[/p][/quote]Great disrespect to the Councillors on PTC t.munro
  • Score: -4

5:13pm Mon 27 Jan 14

t.munro says...

smilealoft44 wrote:
Tonight the ptc must give us the answer we want there will be no rise on this tax other than the rate of inflation, max 2.6%. Mr munro seems to be bullying again as the meeting tonight was to explain there reasons for such a big hike, now him and his family want to get together and backtrack. Yes backtrack then give us notice your going to quit, and take your family members with you. I then hope we can find some local people to replace you who are in the real world.
The public are telling us to reflect on the councils decision. So we are.
The reason I have done it, is because it is the correct thing to do.
And nobody else has done it.
I am local
[quote][p][bold]smilealoft44[/bold] wrote: Tonight the ptc must give us the answer we want there will be no rise on this tax other than the rate of inflation, max 2.6%. Mr munro seems to be bullying again as the meeting tonight was to explain there reasons for such a big hike, now him and his family want to get together and backtrack. Yes backtrack then give us notice your going to quit, and take your family members with you. I then hope we can find some local people to replace you who are in the real world.[/p][/quote]The public are telling us to reflect on the councils decision. So we are. The reason I have done it, is because it is the correct thing to do. And nobody else has done it. I am local t.munro
  • Score: -6

5:14pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Bob Goulding says...

t.munro wrote:
Newground wrote:
I hope the Monros don't resign en bloc because of this unfortunate misunderstanding. To lose one such spirited public servant would be a tragedy; to lose four -- at least two of whom have beards -- would be a catastrophe for the island. Indeed, in honour of their tireless and brilliant efforts I would like to propose an initiative to rename key Portland landmarks after them:. 1. The Monro Sandbanks (formerly Shambles) 2. The Monro Recycling Emporium (formerly Council Tip) 3. The Monro Stack (formerly Nicodemus' K**b) Any other ideas would be warmly received.
The correct spelling would be good
Oh yes, it should actually be Buchanan-Munro shouldn't it? (Last elected in May 2011 with 260 votes beating Denton-White into fourth place (out of five) by two votes). By the way, how did the unelected Denton-White subsequently find his way back onto the council? Co-opted?
[quote][p][bold]t.munro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Newground[/bold] wrote: I hope the Monros don't resign en bloc because of this unfortunate misunderstanding. To lose one such spirited public servant would be a tragedy; to lose four -- at least two of whom have beards -- would be a catastrophe for the island. Indeed, in honour of their tireless and brilliant efforts I would like to propose an initiative to rename key Portland landmarks after them:. 1. The Monro Sandbanks (formerly Shambles) 2. The Monro Recycling Emporium (formerly Council Tip) 3. The Monro Stack (formerly Nicodemus' K**b) Any other ideas would be warmly received.[/p][/quote]The correct spelling would be good[/p][/quote]Oh yes, it should actually be Buchanan-Munro shouldn't it? (Last elected in May 2011 with 260 votes beating Denton-White into fourth place (out of five) by two votes). By the way, how did the unelected Denton-White subsequently find his way back onto the council? Co-opted? Bob Goulding
  • Score: 4

5:15pm Mon 27 Jan 14

t.munro says...

radiator wrote:
Can we expect a notice of resignation tonight ? after all anything you propose now will have a vote of no confidence,perhaps the rest of your family will do the honourable thing and do the same.Have you thought of the damage you have done not only for ptc but for your relations business as well as your own,people have long memories you know Munro.
All 12 Councillors voted for the raise.
You will not get a resignation from me for a council decision.
I have a long memory as well
[quote][p][bold]radiator[/bold] wrote: Can we expect a notice of resignation tonight ? after all anything you propose now will have a vote of no confidence,perhaps the rest of your family will do the honourable thing and do the same.Have you thought of the damage you have done not only for ptc but for your relations business as well as your own,people have long memories you know Munro.[/p][/quote]All 12 Councillors voted for the raise. You will not get a resignation from me for a council decision. I have a long memory as well t.munro
  • Score: -6

5:18pm Mon 27 Jan 14

t.munro says...

Schrodinger's Cat wrote:
t.munro wrote:
Newground wrote: I hope the Monros don't resign en bloc because of this unfortunate misunderstanding. To lose one such spirited public servant would be a tragedy; to lose four -- at least two of whom have beards -- would be a catastrophe for the island. Indeed, in honour of their tireless and brilliant efforts I would like to propose an initiative to rename key Portland landmarks after them:. 1. The Monro Sandbanks (formerly Shambles) 2. The Monro Recycling Emporium (formerly Council Tip) 3. The Monro Stack (formerly Nicodemus' K**b) Any other ideas would be warmly received.
The correct spelling would be good
He's right you know. Newground, it's not Monros - I think the 'n' should be the fifth letter rather than the third
Muron dear dear can't even get that right
[quote][p][bold]Schrodinger's Cat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]t.munro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Newground[/bold] wrote: I hope the Monros don't resign en bloc because of this unfortunate misunderstanding. To lose one such spirited public servant would be a tragedy; to lose four -- at least two of whom have beards -- would be a catastrophe for the island. Indeed, in honour of their tireless and brilliant efforts I would like to propose an initiative to rename key Portland landmarks after them:. 1. The Monro Sandbanks (formerly Shambles) 2. The Monro Recycling Emporium (formerly Council Tip) 3. The Monro Stack (formerly Nicodemus' K**b) Any other ideas would be warmly received.[/p][/quote]The correct spelling would be good[/p][/quote]He's right you know. Newground, it's not Monros - I think the 'n' should be the fifth letter rather than the third[/p][/quote]Muron dear dear can't even get that right t.munro
  • Score: -5

5:20pm Mon 27 Jan 14

chisweller says...

Bob Goulding wrote:
t.munro wrote:
shy talk wrote:
“In accordance with standing orders which govern council business, the resolution must bear the names of four members. These are Councillors Tim Munro, Amanda Munro, Elspie Munro-Price and Ian Munro-Price” The name Munro sums it all up Nepotism.
Nobody else suggested calling the decision in
Probably embarrassed and distancing themselves from the inevitable fall-out. Good call on this occasion, however.
Plenty of councillors voted in favour of this motion put forward by mr Munro,yet I hear little criticism of their stance. One man one vote, they are all culpable for this disaster. It all goes to show the incompetence and futility of having such a council. Get rid of it and them. At least the Munro councillors have put themselves to the electorate unlike some of the other placemen who seem to be hiding away, unable to admit their keenness to dip into our pockets. Spineless shower.
[quote][p][bold]Bob Goulding[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]t.munro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shy talk[/bold] wrote: “In accordance with standing orders which govern council business, the resolution must bear the names of four members. These are Councillors Tim Munro, Amanda Munro, Elspie Munro-Price and Ian Munro-Price” The name Munro sums it all up Nepotism.[/p][/quote]Nobody else suggested calling the decision in[/p][/quote]Probably embarrassed and distancing themselves from the inevitable fall-out. Good call on this occasion, however.[/p][/quote]Plenty of councillors voted in favour of this motion put forward by mr Munro,yet I hear little criticism of their stance. One man one vote, they are all culpable for this disaster. It all goes to show the incompetence and futility of having such a council. Get rid of it and them. At least the Munro councillors have put themselves to the electorate unlike some of the other placemen who seem to be hiding away, unable to admit their keenness to dip into our pockets. Spineless shower. chisweller
  • Score: 1

5:26pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Foursite says...

It is with great relief that Tim Munro and family have decided to backtrack on this hike that he said he was unable to do,and indeed this was backed up by other councilors, who at first said they voted in principle, but then changed their minds. I believe the reason is because of the business they have lost and will continue to lose. There is more openness and transparency.
I hold no shame in my posts that were removed on other forums because they may have had a detrimental affect on their businesses.This would never have happened had any one of them thought of the consequences this proposal would have made to them.
In this ever growing medium, PTC must keep up to date with its website,posting of the minutes etc and seek to become more democratic Tim Munro recently said that the order could not be applied retrospectively,He is proposing exactly that. PTC can not turn back the clock,our independence as The Royal Manor was lost in 1974, never again will Portland enjoy that freedom,when our council had power and we paid one charge for the services we got.
I understand and welcome the backtracking, but what fools you have been made to look,we aint gonna forget this in a hurry,the clock is ticking,and many more people are now digging the
dirt. You need to get your houses in order. Tick,Tick Tick Tick.
It is with great relief that Tim Munro and family have decided to backtrack on this hike that he said he was unable to do,and indeed this was backed up by other councilors, who at first said they voted in principle, but then changed their minds. I believe the reason is because of the business they have lost and will continue to lose. There is more openness and transparency. I hold no shame in my posts that were removed on other forums because they may have had a detrimental affect on their businesses.This would never have happened had any one of them thought of the consequences this proposal would have made to them. In this ever growing medium, PTC must keep up to date with its website,posting of the minutes etc and seek to become more democratic Tim Munro recently said that the order could not be applied retrospectively,He is proposing exactly that. PTC can not turn back the clock,our independence as The Royal Manor was lost in 1974, never again will Portland enjoy that freedom,when our council had power and we paid one charge for the services we got. I understand and welcome the backtracking, but what fools you have been made to look,we aint gonna forget this in a hurry,the clock is ticking,and many more people are now digging the dirt. You need to get your houses in order. Tick,Tick Tick Tick. Foursite
  • Score: 9

5:29pm Mon 27 Jan 14

bandit_300 says...

t.munro wrote:
Newground wrote:
I hope the Monros don't resign en bloc because of this unfortunate misunderstanding. To lose one such spirited public servant would be a tragedy; to lose four -- at least two of whom have beards -- would be a catastrophe for the island. Indeed, in honour of their tireless and brilliant efforts I would like to propose an initiative to rename key Portland landmarks after them:. 1. The Monro Sandbanks (formerly Shambles) 2. The Monro Recycling Emporium (formerly Council Tip) 3. The Monro Stack (formerly Nicodemus' K**b) Any other ideas would be warmly received.
The correct spelling would be good
What about Mongro is that how you spell the word for ****!!
[quote][p][bold]t.munro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Newground[/bold] wrote: I hope the Monros don't resign en bloc because of this unfortunate misunderstanding. To lose one such spirited public servant would be a tragedy; to lose four -- at least two of whom have beards -- would be a catastrophe for the island. Indeed, in honour of their tireless and brilliant efforts I would like to propose an initiative to rename key Portland landmarks after them:. 1. The Monro Sandbanks (formerly Shambles) 2. The Monro Recycling Emporium (formerly Council Tip) 3. The Monro Stack (formerly Nicodemus' K**b) Any other ideas would be warmly received.[/p][/quote]The correct spelling would be good[/p][/quote]What about Mongro is that how you spell the word for ****!! bandit_300
  • Score: 4

5:33pm Mon 27 Jan 14

t.munro says...

notweymouth wrote:
t.munro wrote:
shy talk wrote: “In accordance with standing orders which govern council business, the resolution must bear the names of four members. These are Councillors Tim Munro, Amanda Munro, Elspie Munro-Price and Ian Munro-Price” The name Munro sums it all up Nepotism.
Nobody else suggested calling the decision in
Cleverly twisting it round to make it look like you are saving the day when you caused it all in the first place - genius! Enjoy your retirement!
I have asked for a rethink, nobody else has, is that not what was wanted.
It still has to be accepted by the council. They of course may make any number of decisions. I am sure most want to have funds to shore up services and improve quality of life, or are you against that as well.
[quote][p][bold]notweymouth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]t.munro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shy talk[/bold] wrote: “In accordance with standing orders which govern council business, the resolution must bear the names of four members. These are Councillors Tim Munro, Amanda Munro, Elspie Munro-Price and Ian Munro-Price” The name Munro sums it all up Nepotism.[/p][/quote]Nobody else suggested calling the decision in[/p][/quote]Cleverly twisting it round to make it look like you are saving the day when you caused it all in the first place - genius! Enjoy your retirement![/p][/quote]I have asked for a rethink, nobody else has, is that not what was wanted. It still has to be accepted by the council. They of course may make any number of decisions. I am sure most want to have funds to shore up services and improve quality of life, or are you against that as well. t.munro
  • Score: -7

5:38pm Mon 27 Jan 14

t.munro says...

bandit_300 wrote:
t.munro wrote:
Newground wrote: I hope the Monros don't resign en bloc because of this unfortunate misunderstanding. To lose one such spirited public servant would be a tragedy; to lose four -- at least two of whom have beards -- would be a catastrophe for the island. Indeed, in honour of their tireless and brilliant efforts I would like to propose an initiative to rename key Portland landmarks after them:. 1. The Monro Sandbanks (formerly Shambles) 2. The Monro Recycling Emporium (formerly Council Tip) 3. The Monro Stack (formerly Nicodemus' K**b) Any other ideas would be warmly received.
The correct spelling would be good
What about Mongro is that how you spell the word for ****!!
Think you have lost it.
I put forward a proposal to improve Portland.
12 Councillors voted for it. Public reaction asking for
the council to revisit. We are.
Why is that personal to me.
I don't hide behind funny little names,
If I knew you, I too could have an unfounded public view
about you and your family.
I don't even know if you live on Portland and pay
council tax.
[quote][p][bold]bandit_300[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]t.munro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Newground[/bold] wrote: I hope the Monros don't resign en bloc because of this unfortunate misunderstanding. To lose one such spirited public servant would be a tragedy; to lose four -- at least two of whom have beards -- would be a catastrophe for the island. Indeed, in honour of their tireless and brilliant efforts I would like to propose an initiative to rename key Portland landmarks after them:. 1. The Monro Sandbanks (formerly Shambles) 2. The Monro Recycling Emporium (formerly Council Tip) 3. The Monro Stack (formerly Nicodemus' K**b) Any other ideas would be warmly received.[/p][/quote]The correct spelling would be good[/p][/quote]What about Mongro is that how you spell the word for ****!![/p][/quote]Think you have lost it. I put forward a proposal to improve Portland. 12 Councillors voted for it. Public reaction asking for the council to revisit. We are. Why is that personal to me. I don't hide behind funny little names, If I knew you, I too could have an unfounded public view about you and your family. I don't even know if you live on Portland and pay council tax. t.munro
  • Score: -5

5:39pm Mon 27 Jan 14

notweymouth says...

t.munro wrote:
notweymouth wrote:
t.munro wrote:
shy talk wrote: “In accordance with standing orders which govern council business, the resolution must bear the names of four members. These are Councillors Tim Munro, Amanda Munro, Elspie Munro-Price and Ian Munro-Price” The name Munro sums it all up Nepotism.
Nobody else suggested calling the decision in
Cleverly twisting it round to make it look like you are saving the day when you caused it all in the first place - genius! Enjoy your retirement!
I have asked for a rethink, nobody else has, is that not what was wanted.
It still has to be accepted by the council. They of course may make any number of decisions. I am sure most want to have funds to shore up services and improve quality of life, or are you against that as well.
Why would it not be accepted by the council? Aren't they supposed to represent us?

What extra do we get that Weymouth residents don't due to their lack of Precept?
[quote][p][bold]t.munro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notweymouth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]t.munro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shy talk[/bold] wrote: “In accordance with standing orders which govern council business, the resolution must bear the names of four members. These are Councillors Tim Munro, Amanda Munro, Elspie Munro-Price and Ian Munro-Price” The name Munro sums it all up Nepotism.[/p][/quote]Nobody else suggested calling the decision in[/p][/quote]Cleverly twisting it round to make it look like you are saving the day when you caused it all in the first place - genius! Enjoy your retirement![/p][/quote]I have asked for a rethink, nobody else has, is that not what was wanted. It still has to be accepted by the council. They of course may make any number of decisions. I am sure most want to have funds to shore up services and improve quality of life, or are you against that as well.[/p][/quote]Why would it not be accepted by the council? Aren't they supposed to represent us? What extra do we get that Weymouth residents don't due to their lack of Precept? notweymouth
  • Score: 6

5:41pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Crabber says...

PortlandandWeymouth wrote:
Newground wrote:
I hope the Monros don't resign en bloc because of this unfortunate misunderstanding. To lose one such spirited public servant would be a tragedy; to lose four -- at least two of whom have beards -- would be a catastrophe for the island.

Indeed, in honour of their tireless and brilliant efforts I would like to propose an initiative to rename key Portland landmarks after them:.

1. The Monro Sandbanks (formerly Shambles)
2. The Monro Recycling Emporium (formerly Council Tip)
3. The Monro Stack (formerly Nicodemus' K**b)

Any other ideas would be warmly received.
Could we not name it Munro's Knob?

Though that would mean removing it from his forehead...
Ah spelling got it IT'S MONG-GO
[quote][p][bold]PortlandandWeymouth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Newground[/bold] wrote: I hope the Monros don't resign en bloc because of this unfortunate misunderstanding. To lose one such spirited public servant would be a tragedy; to lose four -- at least two of whom have beards -- would be a catastrophe for the island. Indeed, in honour of their tireless and brilliant efforts I would like to propose an initiative to rename key Portland landmarks after them:. 1. The Monro Sandbanks (formerly Shambles) 2. The Monro Recycling Emporium (formerly Council Tip) 3. The Monro Stack (formerly Nicodemus' K**b) Any other ideas would be warmly received.[/p][/quote]Could we not name it Munro's Knob? Though that would mean removing it from his forehead...[/p][/quote]Ah spelling got it IT'S MONG-GO Crabber
  • Score: 1

5:43pm Mon 27 Jan 14

doyle52 says...

So you want a **** medal pinned on ya chest do you for being the only one to suggest the re think!! What a good little boy ! Pathetic !!
So you want a **** medal pinned on ya chest do you for being the only one to suggest the re think!! What a good little boy ! Pathetic !! doyle52
  • Score: 5

5:46pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Crabber says...

I think you should be learning this TIMOTHY

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=xMaE6toi4
mk
I think you should be learning this TIMOTHY http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=xMaE6toi4 mk Crabber
  • Score: -1

5:51pm Mon 27 Jan 14

PortlandandWeymouth says...

Ah, the Dec 2013 minutes. So Mr.Munro wanted to increase the precept. One of the ideas put forward was to localise spending between the three wards on Portland. When DCC is trying to centralise most decision making to Dorchester, why are we aiming to become micro-managers? As if funding for Portland isn't localised enough with it having the town council.

http://www.portlandt
owncouncil.co.uk/Min
utes-Council-Dec-201
3.pdf
Ah, the Dec 2013 minutes. So Mr.Munro wanted to increase the precept. One of the ideas put forward was to localise spending between the three wards on Portland. When DCC is trying to centralise most decision making to Dorchester, why are we aiming to become micro-managers? As if funding for Portland isn't localised enough with it having the town council. http://www.portlandt owncouncil.co.uk/Min utes-Council-Dec-201 3.pdf PortlandandWeymouth
  • Score: 1

5:53pm Mon 27 Jan 14

bandit_300 says...

t.munro wrote:
bandit_300 wrote:
t.munro wrote:
Newground wrote: I hope the Monros don't resign en bloc because of this unfortunate misunderstanding. To lose one such spirited public servant would be a tragedy; to lose four -- at least two of whom have beards -- would be a catastrophe for the island. Indeed, in honour of their tireless and brilliant efforts I would like to propose an initiative to rename key Portland landmarks after them:. 1. The Monro Sandbanks (formerly Shambles) 2. The Monro Recycling Emporium (formerly Council Tip) 3. The Monro Stack (formerly Nicodemus' K**b) Any other ideas would be warmly received.
The correct spelling would be good
What about Mongro is that how you spell the word for ****!!
Think you have lost it.
I put forward a proposal to improve Portland.
12 Councillors voted for it. Public reaction asking for
the council to revisit. We are.
Why is that personal to me.
I don't hide behind funny little names,
If I knew you, I too could have an unfounded public view
about you and your family.
I don't even know if you live on Portland and pay
council tax.
Excuse me how bloody dare you insinuate anything about my family when if you look i said nothing of yours. My name is John Cox and i live on Portland thanks. But now you have dragged yourself into the gutter with the other scum.
You can call me **** instead of cox if that makes you feel any better tim.
And as for your information if the comment was in regards to me personally i have not lost it you just fill everyone with anger venting is my way rather than to do what i and others.... should stop there really. Signing off now before i get barred......
[quote][p][bold]t.munro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bandit_300[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]t.munro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Newground[/bold] wrote: I hope the Monros don't resign en bloc because of this unfortunate misunderstanding. To lose one such spirited public servant would be a tragedy; to lose four -- at least two of whom have beards -- would be a catastrophe for the island. Indeed, in honour of their tireless and brilliant efforts I would like to propose an initiative to rename key Portland landmarks after them:. 1. The Monro Sandbanks (formerly Shambles) 2. The Monro Recycling Emporium (formerly Council Tip) 3. The Monro Stack (formerly Nicodemus' K**b) Any other ideas would be warmly received.[/p][/quote]The correct spelling would be good[/p][/quote]What about Mongro is that how you spell the word for ****!![/p][/quote]Think you have lost it. I put forward a proposal to improve Portland. 12 Councillors voted for it. Public reaction asking for the council to revisit. We are. Why is that personal to me. I don't hide behind funny little names, If I knew you, I too could have an unfounded public view about you and your family. I don't even know if you live on Portland and pay council tax.[/p][/quote]Excuse me how bloody dare you insinuate anything about my family when if you look i said nothing of yours. My name is John Cox and i live on Portland thanks. But now you have dragged yourself into the gutter with the other scum. You can call me **** instead of cox if that makes you feel any better tim. And as for your information if the comment was in regards to me personally i have not lost it you just fill everyone with anger venting is my way rather than to do what i and others.... should stop there really. Signing off now before i get barred...... bandit_300
  • Score: 5

5:55pm Mon 27 Jan 14

t.munro says...

Foursite wrote:
It is with great relief that Tim Munro and family have decided to backtrack on this hike that he said he was unable to do,and indeed this was backed up by other councilors, who at first said they voted in principle, but then changed their minds. I believe the reason is because of the business they have lost and will continue to lose. There is more openness and transparency. I hold no shame in my posts that were removed on other forums because they may have had a detrimental affect on their businesses.This would never have happened had any one of them thought of the consequences this proposal would have made to them. In this ever growing medium, PTC must keep up to date with its website,posting of the minutes etc and seek to become more democratic Tim Munro recently said that the order could not be applied retrospectively,He is proposing exactly that. PTC can not turn back the clock,our independence as The Royal Manor was lost in 1974, never again will Portland enjoy that freedom,when our council had power and we paid one charge for the services we got. I understand and welcome the backtracking, but what fools you have been made to look,we aint gonna forget this in a hurry,the clock is ticking,and many more people are now digging the dirt. You need to get your houses in order. Tick,Tick Tick Tick.
Have you threatened the other councilors who voted for this.
Or are you just picking on me? Time I did some digging and posting on Foursite and family.
[quote][p][bold]Foursite[/bold] wrote: It is with great relief that Tim Munro and family have decided to backtrack on this hike that he said he was unable to do,and indeed this was backed up by other councilors, who at first said they voted in principle, but then changed their minds. I believe the reason is because of the business they have lost and will continue to lose. There is more openness and transparency. I hold no shame in my posts that were removed on other forums because they may have had a detrimental affect on their businesses.This would never have happened had any one of them thought of the consequences this proposal would have made to them. In this ever growing medium, PTC must keep up to date with its website,posting of the minutes etc and seek to become more democratic Tim Munro recently said that the order could not be applied retrospectively,He is proposing exactly that. PTC can not turn back the clock,our independence as The Royal Manor was lost in 1974, never again will Portland enjoy that freedom,when our council had power and we paid one charge for the services we got. I understand and welcome the backtracking, but what fools you have been made to look,we aint gonna forget this in a hurry,the clock is ticking,and many more people are now digging the dirt. You need to get your houses in order. Tick,Tick Tick Tick.[/p][/quote]Have you threatened the other councilors who voted for this. Or are you just picking on me? Time I did some digging and posting on Foursite and family. t.munro
  • Score: -8

5:57pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Portlander10 says...

Tim Munro, hopefully spelt right!
I cannot believe your arrogance and attitude!
You have tried to justify YOUR hike in the precept all along and now because the People of Portland have banded together YOU claim to try and overturn YOUR decision! You and your family of PTC councillors are a complete joke and indeed one of the many reasons I quit PTC. You should all quit and take the weasel Denton-White with you.
Gareth Duncan.
Tim Munro, hopefully spelt right! I cannot believe your arrogance and attitude! You have tried to justify YOUR hike in the precept all along and now because the People of Portland have banded together YOU claim to try and overturn YOUR decision! You and your family of PTC councillors are a complete joke and indeed one of the many reasons I quit PTC. You should all quit and take the weasel Denton-White with you. Gareth Duncan. Portlander10
  • Score: 10

6:06pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Genghis says...

t.munro wrote:
notweymouth wrote:
t.munro wrote:
shy talk wrote: “In accordance with standing orders which govern council business, the resolution must bear the names of four members. These are Councillors Tim Munro, Amanda Munro, Elspie Munro-Price and Ian Munro-Price” The name Munro sums it all up Nepotism.
Nobody else suggested calling the decision in
Cleverly twisting it round to make it look like you are saving the day when you caused it all in the first place - genius! Enjoy your retirement!
I have asked for a rethink, nobody else has, is that not what was wanted.
It still has to be accepted by the council. They of course may make any number of decisions. I am sure most want to have funds to shore up services and improve quality of life, or are you against that as well.
What most want is to be able to afford to live without having any more quangos picking our pockets of funds we do not have. I have not had a 1000% rise, I don't know of anybody else who has either. So why do Portland Town Quango members think they should be able to raid our already hard pressed finances? Get rid of the town council and the borough council. We only need one layer of local government. We certainly don't need a layer that thinks it's electorate is their personal piggy bank. I had little faith in PTC to begin with, this fiasco has proven to me it's time for it to go.
[quote][p][bold]t.munro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notweymouth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]t.munro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shy talk[/bold] wrote: “In accordance with standing orders which govern council business, the resolution must bear the names of four members. These are Councillors Tim Munro, Amanda Munro, Elspie Munro-Price and Ian Munro-Price” The name Munro sums it all up Nepotism.[/p][/quote]Nobody else suggested calling the decision in[/p][/quote]Cleverly twisting it round to make it look like you are saving the day when you caused it all in the first place - genius! Enjoy your retirement![/p][/quote]I have asked for a rethink, nobody else has, is that not what was wanted. It still has to be accepted by the council. They of course may make any number of decisions. I am sure most want to have funds to shore up services and improve quality of life, or are you against that as well.[/p][/quote]What most want is to be able to afford to live without having any more quangos picking our pockets of funds we do not have. I have not had a 1000% rise, I don't know of anybody else who has either. So why do Portland Town Quango members think they should be able to raid our already hard pressed finances? Get rid of the town council and the borough council. We only need one layer of local government. We certainly don't need a layer that thinks it's electorate is their personal piggy bank. I had little faith in PTC to begin with, this fiasco has proven to me it's time for it to go. Genghis
  • Score: 9

6:09pm Mon 27 Jan 14

smilealoft44 says...

Well GARETH DUNCAN now may be the time to rethink about going back on the PTC with people who care. This must of made some wake up.
Well done JOHN COX for standing up to be counted. PTC seat for you two? We need normal everyday locals on the PTC.
Well GARETH DUNCAN now may be the time to rethink about going back on the PTC with people who care. This must of made some wake up. Well done JOHN COX for standing up to be counted. PTC seat for you two? We need normal everyday locals on the PTC. smilealoft44
  • Score: 6

6:13pm Mon 27 Jan 14

t.munro says...

bandit_300 wrote:
t.munro wrote:
bandit_300 wrote:
t.munro wrote:
Newground wrote: I hope the Monros don't resign en bloc because of this unfortunate misunderstanding. To lose one such spirited public servant would be a tragedy; to lose four -- at least two of whom have beards -- would be a catastrophe for the island. Indeed, in honour of their tireless and brilliant efforts I would like to propose an initiative to rename key Portland landmarks after them:. 1. The Monro Sandbanks (formerly Shambles) 2. The Monro Recycling Emporium (formerly Council Tip) 3. The Monro Stack (formerly Nicodemus' K**b) Any other ideas would be warmly received.
The correct spelling would be good
What about Mongro is that how you spell the word for ****!!
Think you have lost it. I put forward a proposal to improve Portland. 12 Councillors voted for it. Public reaction asking for the council to revisit. We are. Why is that personal to me. I don't hide behind funny little names, If I knew you, I too could have an unfounded public view about you and your family. I don't even know if you live on Portland and pay council tax.
Excuse me how bloody dare you insinuate anything about my family when if you look i said nothing of yours. My name is John Cox and i live on Portland thanks. But now you have dragged yourself into the gutter with the other scum. You can call me **** instead of cox if that makes you feel any better tim. And as for your information if the comment was in regards to me personally i have not lost it you just fill everyone with anger venting is my way rather than to do what i and others.... should stop there really. Signing off now before i get barred......
Evening John good to know I am responding to a human
not a troll . We both have opinions, not sure you know mine)
to resolve we debate try and persuade each other.
I am happy to do that, recently I have had some very interesting ideas
put to me. When as is happening now all I get is personal abuse and threats( no threats from you) I like you get p******ed off.
John happy to listen and debate
[quote][p][bold]bandit_300[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]t.munro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bandit_300[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]t.munro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Newground[/bold] wrote: I hope the Monros don't resign en bloc because of this unfortunate misunderstanding. To lose one such spirited public servant would be a tragedy; to lose four -- at least two of whom have beards -- would be a catastrophe for the island. Indeed, in honour of their tireless and brilliant efforts I would like to propose an initiative to rename key Portland landmarks after them:. 1. The Monro Sandbanks (formerly Shambles) 2. The Monro Recycling Emporium (formerly Council Tip) 3. The Monro Stack (formerly Nicodemus' K**b) Any other ideas would be warmly received.[/p][/quote]The correct spelling would be good[/p][/quote]What about Mongro is that how you spell the word for ****!![/p][/quote]Think you have lost it. I put forward a proposal to improve Portland. 12 Councillors voted for it. Public reaction asking for the council to revisit. We are. Why is that personal to me. I don't hide behind funny little names, If I knew you, I too could have an unfounded public view about you and your family. I don't even know if you live on Portland and pay council tax.[/p][/quote]Excuse me how bloody dare you insinuate anything about my family when if you look i said nothing of yours. My name is John Cox and i live on Portland thanks. But now you have dragged yourself into the gutter with the other scum. You can call me **** instead of cox if that makes you feel any better tim. And as for your information if the comment was in regards to me personally i have not lost it you just fill everyone with anger venting is my way rather than to do what i and others.... should stop there really. Signing off now before i get barred......[/p][/quote]Evening John good to know I am responding to a human not a troll . We both have opinions, not sure you know mine) to resolve we debate try and persuade each other. I am happy to do that, recently I have had some very interesting ideas put to me. When as is happening now all I get is personal abuse and threats( no threats from you) I like you get p******ed off. John happy to listen and debate t.munro
  • Score: -7

6:14pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Bob Goulding says...

t.munro wrote:
Foursite wrote:
It is with great relief that Tim Munro and family have decided to backtrack on this hike that he said he was unable to do,and indeed this was backed up by other councilors, who at first said they voted in principle, but then changed their minds. I believe the reason is because of the business they have lost and will continue to lose. There is more openness and transparency. I hold no shame in my posts that were removed on other forums because they may have had a detrimental affect on their businesses.This would never have happened had any one of them thought of the consequences this proposal would have made to them. In this ever growing medium, PTC must keep up to date with its website,posting of the minutes etc and seek to become more democratic Tim Munro recently said that the order could not be applied retrospectively,He is proposing exactly that. PTC can not turn back the clock,our independence as The Royal Manor was lost in 1974, never again will Portland enjoy that freedom,when our council had power and we paid one charge for the services we got. I understand and welcome the backtracking, but what fools you have been made to look,we aint gonna forget this in a hurry,the clock is ticking,and many more people are now digging the dirt. You need to get your houses in order. Tick,Tick Tick Tick.
Have you threatened the other councilors who voted for this.
Or are you just picking on me? Time I did some digging and posting on Foursite and family.
You really have lost it now. Openly threatening a constituent and their family has to be the last straw. It really is time to go.
[quote][p][bold]t.munro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Foursite[/bold] wrote: It is with great relief that Tim Munro and family have decided to backtrack on this hike that he said he was unable to do,and indeed this was backed up by other councilors, who at first said they voted in principle, but then changed their minds. I believe the reason is because of the business they have lost and will continue to lose. There is more openness and transparency. I hold no shame in my posts that were removed on other forums because they may have had a detrimental affect on their businesses.This would never have happened had any one of them thought of the consequences this proposal would have made to them. In this ever growing medium, PTC must keep up to date with its website,posting of the minutes etc and seek to become more democratic Tim Munro recently said that the order could not be applied retrospectively,He is proposing exactly that. PTC can not turn back the clock,our independence as The Royal Manor was lost in 1974, never again will Portland enjoy that freedom,when our council had power and we paid one charge for the services we got. I understand and welcome the backtracking, but what fools you have been made to look,we aint gonna forget this in a hurry,the clock is ticking,and many more people are now digging the dirt. You need to get your houses in order. Tick,Tick Tick Tick.[/p][/quote]Have you threatened the other councilors who voted for this. Or are you just picking on me? Time I did some digging and posting on Foursite and family.[/p][/quote]You really have lost it now. Openly threatening a constituent and their family has to be the last straw. It really is time to go. Bob Goulding
  • Score: 10

6:31pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Bob Goulding says...

t.munro wrote:
bandit_300 wrote:
t.munro wrote:
bandit_300 wrote:
t.munro wrote:
Newground wrote: I hope the Monros don't resign en bloc because of this unfortunate misunderstanding. To lose one such spirited public servant would be a tragedy; to lose four -- at least two of whom have beards -- would be a catastrophe for the island. Indeed, in honour of their tireless and brilliant efforts I would like to propose an initiative to rename key Portland landmarks after them:. 1. The Monro Sandbanks (formerly Shambles) 2. The Monro Recycling Emporium (formerly Council Tip) 3. The Monro Stack (formerly Nicodemus' K**b) Any other ideas would be warmly received.
The correct spelling would be good
What about Mongro is that how you spell the word for ****!!
Think you have lost it. I put forward a proposal to improve Portland. 12 Councillors voted for it. Public reaction asking for the council to revisit. We are. Why is that personal to me. I don't hide behind funny little names, If I knew you, I too could have an unfounded public view about you and your family. I don't even know if you live on Portland and pay council tax.
Excuse me how bloody dare you insinuate anything about my family when if you look i said nothing of yours. My name is John Cox and i live on Portland thanks. But now you have dragged yourself into the gutter with the other scum. You can call me **** instead of cox if that makes you feel any better tim. And as for your information if the comment was in regards to me personally i have not lost it you just fill everyone with anger venting is my way rather than to do what i and others.... should stop there really. Signing off now before i get barred......
Evening John good to know I am responding to a human
not a troll . We both have opinions, not sure you know mine)
to resolve we debate try and persuade each other.
I am happy to do that, recently I have had some very interesting ideas
put to me. When as is happening now all I get is personal abuse and threats( no threats from you) I like you get p******ed off.
John happy to listen and debate
I have not seen any evidence of significant 'troll' activity on this or the related threads. I am clearly not a troll (you may remember we have had exchanges in the past) but you have clearly chosen to ignore my posts on this subject. Why is that? Perhaps you have no answers?
[quote][p][bold]t.munro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bandit_300[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]t.munro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bandit_300[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]t.munro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Newground[/bold] wrote: I hope the Monros don't resign en bloc because of this unfortunate misunderstanding. To lose one such spirited public servant would be a tragedy; to lose four -- at least two of whom have beards -- would be a catastrophe for the island. Indeed, in honour of their tireless and brilliant efforts I would like to propose an initiative to rename key Portland landmarks after them:. 1. The Monro Sandbanks (formerly Shambles) 2. The Monro Recycling Emporium (formerly Council Tip) 3. The Monro Stack (formerly Nicodemus' K**b) Any other ideas would be warmly received.[/p][/quote]The correct spelling would be good[/p][/quote]What about Mongro is that how you spell the word for ****!![/p][/quote]Think you have lost it. I put forward a proposal to improve Portland. 12 Councillors voted for it. Public reaction asking for the council to revisit. We are. Why is that personal to me. I don't hide behind funny little names, If I knew you, I too could have an unfounded public view about you and your family. I don't even know if you live on Portland and pay council tax.[/p][/quote]Excuse me how bloody dare you insinuate anything about my family when if you look i said nothing of yours. My name is John Cox and i live on Portland thanks. But now you have dragged yourself into the gutter with the other scum. You can call me **** instead of cox if that makes you feel any better tim. And as for your information if the comment was in regards to me personally i have not lost it you just fill everyone with anger venting is my way rather than to do what i and others.... should stop there really. Signing off now before i get barred......[/p][/quote]Evening John good to know I am responding to a human not a troll . We both have opinions, not sure you know mine) to resolve we debate try and persuade each other. I am happy to do that, recently I have had some very interesting ideas put to me. When as is happening now all I get is personal abuse and threats( no threats from you) I like you get p******ed off. John happy to listen and debate[/p][/quote]I have not seen any evidence of significant 'troll' activity on this or the related threads. I am clearly not a troll (you may remember we have had exchanges in the past) but you have clearly chosen to ignore my posts on this subject. Why is that? Perhaps you have no answers? Bob Goulding
  • Score: 5

6:36pm Mon 27 Jan 14

David_divenghy2 says...

t.munro wrote:
Newground wrote:
I hope the Monros don't resign en bloc because of this unfortunate misunderstanding. To lose one such spirited public servant would be a tragedy; to lose four -- at least two of whom have beards -- would be a catastrophe for the island. Indeed, in honour of their tireless and brilliant efforts I would like to propose an initiative to rename key Portland landmarks after them:. 1. The Monro Sandbanks (formerly Shambles) 2. The Monro Recycling Emporium (formerly Council Tip) 3. The Monro Stack (formerly Nicodemus' K**b) Any other ideas would be warmly received.
The correct spelling would be good
The only time you speak is to be a smart ar** or condescending to the electorate you are dipping into the pockets of, yet when questions are asked about websites, money, planning applications and other things, you go rather quiet.

Face it everyone wants the Munro's out regardless of how you spell it.
[quote][p][bold]t.munro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Newground[/bold] wrote: I hope the Monros don't resign en bloc because of this unfortunate misunderstanding. To lose one such spirited public servant would be a tragedy; to lose four -- at least two of whom have beards -- would be a catastrophe for the island. Indeed, in honour of their tireless and brilliant efforts I would like to propose an initiative to rename key Portland landmarks after them:. 1. The Monro Sandbanks (formerly Shambles) 2. The Monro Recycling Emporium (formerly Council Tip) 3. The Monro Stack (formerly Nicodemus' K**b) Any other ideas would be warmly received.[/p][/quote]The correct spelling would be good[/p][/quote]The only time you speak is to be a smart ar** or condescending to the electorate you are dipping into the pockets of, yet when questions are asked about websites, money, planning applications and other things, you go rather quiet. Face it everyone wants the Munro's out regardless of how you spell it. David_divenghy2
  • Score: 9

6:37pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Portlander10 says...

Absolutely no chance of me standing again whilst there is four people on the council that are there for their own good!
The hissy fits and tantrums I can do without!
Absolutely no chance of me standing again whilst there is four people on the council that are there for their own good! The hissy fits and tantrums I can do without! Portlander10
  • Score: 11

6:55pm Mon 27 Jan 14

makingyoulookstupid says...

t.munro wrote:
Schrodinger's Cat wrote:
t.munro wrote:
Newground wrote: I hope the Monros don't resign en bloc because of this unfortunate misunderstanding. To lose one such spirited public servant would be a tragedy; to lose four -- at least two of whom have beards -- would be a catastrophe for the island. Indeed, in honour of their tireless and brilliant efforts I would like to propose an initiative to rename key Portland landmarks after them:. 1. The Monro Sandbanks (formerly Shambles) 2. The Monro Recycling Emporium (formerly Council Tip) 3. The Monro Stack (formerly Nicodemus' K**b) Any other ideas would be warmly received.
The correct spelling would be good
He's right you know. Newground, it's not Monros - I think the 'n' should be the fifth letter rather than the third
Muron dear dear can't even get that right
If you take the word he used: Monros

Swap the 'N' to the fifth letter

It's Morons

Despite trying to mock someone its fairly ironic you weren't smart enough to get that right.
[quote][p][bold]t.munro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Schrodinger's Cat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]t.munro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Newground[/bold] wrote: I hope the Monros don't resign en bloc because of this unfortunate misunderstanding. To lose one such spirited public servant would be a tragedy; to lose four -- at least two of whom have beards -- would be a catastrophe for the island. Indeed, in honour of their tireless and brilliant efforts I would like to propose an initiative to rename key Portland landmarks after them:. 1. The Monro Sandbanks (formerly Shambles) 2. The Monro Recycling Emporium (formerly Council Tip) 3. The Monro Stack (formerly Nicodemus' K**b) Any other ideas would be warmly received.[/p][/quote]The correct spelling would be good[/p][/quote]He's right you know. Newground, it's not Monros - I think the 'n' should be the fifth letter rather than the third[/p][/quote]Muron dear dear can't even get that right[/p][/quote]If you take the word he used: Monros Swap the 'N' to the fifth letter It's Morons Despite trying to mock someone its fairly ironic you weren't smart enough to get that right. makingyoulookstupid
  • Score: 9

7:11pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Nomalice says...

t.munro wrote:
Nomalice wrote:
Well, at last the penny has begun to drop. However the fact that the thought of INCREASING the precept is still alive and kicking within this out-of-touch mind,still troubles me, and I suspect others. When local councils throughout the country are making adjustments,and limiting the effects on their constituents,ours is dreaming up ways of tightening the screw even more. One way of gaining some more money, would be, to stop paying expenses to unnecessary,auxiliar y,parish councillors. Add the present precept monies and use that as a fund for deserving projects. Hey, it's not that mad an idea. But then again, I am not a Scottish Mountain.
There are no expenses for Councillors
You will have to forgive my ignorance.Is there a difference between councillors expenses and staff travel claims.? Whatever it is called it is over £4,000 of my and others money

Ref;2475 – FINANCIAL MATTERS
a) Payments for Authorisation
(1) It was proposed by Cllr. Tim Munro and RESOLVED – that £50 be donated to the Royal British Legion in response to the wreath provided. (2) It was proposed by Cllr. Tim Munro and RESOLVED – that staff travelling claims be submitted monthly. (3) RESOLVED – that the schedule of invoices (cheque refs. 2929 – 2951) in the sum of £4,126.12 including VAT be authorised for payment
[quote][p][bold]t.munro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nomalice[/bold] wrote: Well, at last the penny has begun to drop. However the fact that the thought of INCREASING the precept is still alive and kicking within this out-of-touch mind,still troubles me, and I suspect others. When local councils throughout the country are making adjustments,and limiting the effects on their constituents,ours is dreaming up ways of tightening the screw even more. One way of gaining some more money, would be, to stop paying expenses to unnecessary,auxiliar y,parish councillors. Add the present precept monies and use that as a fund for deserving projects. Hey, it's not that mad an idea. But then again, I am not a Scottish Mountain.[/p][/quote]There are no expenses for Councillors[/p][/quote]You will have to forgive my ignorance.Is there a difference between councillors expenses and staff travel claims.? Whatever it is called it is over £4,000 of my and others money Ref;2475 – FINANCIAL MATTERS a) Payments for Authorisation (1) It was proposed by Cllr. Tim Munro and RESOLVED – that £50 be donated to the Royal British Legion in response to the wreath provided. (2) It was proposed by Cllr. Tim Munro and RESOLVED – that staff travelling claims be submitted monthly. (3) RESOLVED – that the schedule of invoices (cheque refs. 2929 – 2951) in the sum of £4,126.12 including VAT be authorised for payment Nomalice
  • Score: 7

7:45pm Mon 27 Jan 14

banknote says...

As a ex-Portland resident, I have followed this saga with great interest.

The most important point that comes to mind is that four members of the same family should not be on Portland Town Council. It is morally and ethically wrong. But......the people of Portland have voted for them, though I doubt if they will do so again.

It really is time for the people of Portland to decide and vote for what they want at the next set of elections. It is obvious that the old PUDC will never come back, so Portlanders need councillors who will truly represent the view of the island on WPBC and DCC - rather than a clan, who appear, to be largely there for their own egos and misguided thinking.
As a ex-Portland resident, I have followed this saga with great interest. The most important point that comes to mind is that four members of the same family should not be on Portland Town Council. It is morally and ethically wrong. But......the people of Portland have voted for them, though I doubt if they will do so again. It really is time for the people of Portland to decide and vote for what they want at the next set of elections. It is obvious that the old PUDC will never come back, so Portlanders need councillors who will truly represent the view of the island on WPBC and DCC - rather than a clan, who appear, to be largely there for their own egos and misguided thinking. banknote
  • Score: 6

8:10pm Mon 27 Jan 14

R.johnson says...

So the rise in tax was suggested but to meet what service. How would they spend 500k. where, who would benefit.

its called forward planning. To ask for money you must have an idea where to spend/waste it
So the rise in tax was suggested but to meet what service. How would they spend 500k. where, who would benefit. its called forward planning. To ask for money you must have an idea where to spend/waste it R.johnson
  • Score: 4

8:11pm Mon 27 Jan 14

R.johnson says...

average bill for councils is 40-60
average bill for councils is 40-60 R.johnson
  • Score: 0

8:13pm Mon 27 Jan 14

notweymouth says...

dorsetberry wrote:
This story is interesting because it seems to be highlighting how little portlanders pay in comparison to the rest of the administration. Your annualbills are what we pay monthly. Don't expect the rest of us to sympathize and subsidize you any more knowing this!
what on earth rate you talking about?
[quote][p][bold]dorsetberry[/bold] wrote: This story is interesting because it seems to be highlighting how little portlanders pay in comparison to the rest of the administration. Your annualbills are what we pay monthly. Don't expect the rest of us to sympathize and subsidize you any more knowing this![/p][/quote]what on earth rate you talking about? notweymouth
  • Score: 4

8:13pm Mon 27 Jan 14

notweymouth says...

notweymouth wrote:
dorsetberry wrote:
This story is interesting because it seems to be highlighting how little portlanders pay in comparison to the rest of the administration. Your annualbills are what we pay monthly. Don't expect the rest of us to sympathize and subsidize you any more knowing this!
what on earth rate you talking about?
^are^
[quote][p][bold]notweymouth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dorsetberry[/bold] wrote: This story is interesting because it seems to be highlighting how little portlanders pay in comparison to the rest of the administration. Your annualbills are what we pay monthly. Don't expect the rest of us to sympathize and subsidize you any more knowing this![/p][/quote]what on earth rate you talking about?[/p][/quote]^are^ notweymouth
  • Score: 1

8:24pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Genghis says...

dorsetberry wrote:
This story is interesting because it seems to be highlighting how little portlanders pay in comparison to the rest of the administration. Your annualbills are what we pay monthly. Don't expect the rest of us to sympathize and subsidize you any more knowing this!
A rather inept attempt at trolling. You must try harder or actually know what you are talking about in the first place.
[quote][p][bold]dorsetberry[/bold] wrote: This story is interesting because it seems to be highlighting how little portlanders pay in comparison to the rest of the administration. Your annualbills are what we pay monthly. Don't expect the rest of us to sympathize and subsidize you any more knowing this![/p][/quote]A rather inept attempt at trolling. You must try harder or actually know what you are talking about in the first place. Genghis
  • Score: 7

9:15pm Mon 27 Jan 14

David_divenghy2 says...

" In accordance with standing orders which govern council business, the resolution must bear the names of four members. These are Councillors Tim Munro, Amanda Munro, Elspie Munro-Price and Ian Munro-Price."


So there you have it in black and white it could not be any clearer. The Munro family back each others proposals /resolutions. Just as people have been saying. Family influence undeniable. A complete undermining of the democratic process.

The Munro's MUST GO, at least three of them anyway.
" In accordance with standing orders which govern council business, the resolution must bear the names of four members. These are Councillors Tim Munro, Amanda Munro, Elspie Munro-Price and Ian Munro-Price." So there you have it in black and white it could not be any clearer. The Munro family back each others proposals /resolutions. Just as people have been saying. Family influence undeniable. A complete undermining of the democratic process. The Munro's MUST GO, at least three of them anyway. David_divenghy2
  • Score: 13

9:31pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Wilbraham says...

Genghis wrote:
dorsetberry wrote:
This story is interesting because it seems to be highlighting how little portlanders pay in comparison to the rest of the administration. Your annualbills are what we pay monthly. Don't expect the rest of us to sympathize and subsidize you any more knowing this!
A rather inept attempt at trolling. You must try harder or actually know what you are talking about in the first place.
Just to put you right as you don't seem to understand is that the Portland Town Council precept is on top of the DCC and W&PBC community charge.
[quote][p][bold]Genghis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dorsetberry[/bold] wrote: This story is interesting because it seems to be highlighting how little portlanders pay in comparison to the rest of the administration. Your annualbills are what we pay monthly. Don't expect the rest of us to sympathize and subsidize you any more knowing this![/p][/quote]A rather inept attempt at trolling. You must try harder or actually know what you are talking about in the first place.[/p][/quote]Just to put you right as you don't seem to understand is that the Portland Town Council precept is on top of the DCC and W&PBC community charge. Wilbraham
  • Score: 4

10:02pm Mon 27 Jan 14

smilealoft44 says...

Just got home from the meeting. Thanks to the church for letting the meeting be held there.(Shame the church is not that full on Sundays)
Its plain to see the councillors were given a stong message. Very good speeches by many different people.
Its clear that the Munro party have to much power.
The fact that Eric Pickels is cutting the money is not a reason to pass the shortage of money on to the locals. The Munros should be working against these cuts. By not doing that they are letting the locals down.
I see tonight people who really cannot afford the rise.
I belive that the whole of the council should stand for election this comming MAY where the locals can elect new councillors and throw out any who do not come up to scratch.
On the point of someone being absent from the meeting and at hospital, the chair should of made it clear at the start who was missing and why.
On tonights meeting i think that the councillors should set a tax increase no more than inflation.
Just got home from the meeting. Thanks to the church for letting the meeting be held there.(Shame the church is not that full on Sundays) Its plain to see the councillors were given a stong message. Very good speeches by many different people. Its clear that the Munro party have to much power. The fact that Eric Pickels is cutting the money is not a reason to pass the shortage of money on to the locals. The Munros should be working against these cuts. By not doing that they are letting the locals down. I see tonight people who really cannot afford the rise. I belive that the whole of the council should stand for election this comming MAY where the locals can elect new councillors and throw out any who do not come up to scratch. On the point of someone being absent from the meeting and at hospital, the chair should of made it clear at the start who was missing and why. On tonights meeting i think that the councillors should set a tax increase no more than inflation. smilealoft44
  • Score: 7

10:02pm Mon 27 Jan 14

captainsea says...

I have just returned from the meeting tonight and I now definitely think that Portland Town Council are not fit for purpose. The behaviour of Denton-White was that of an out of control child with ADHD. The town clerk is not fully legally qualified yet is expected to be the financially responsible officer. Munro spun his scaremongering stories and I swear poor old Les Ames was close to tears and was prepared to resign. What an arrogant man K Dutheridge is.

All members of the public who took to the floor expressed the feelings of the majority of the Portland public.
I have just returned from the meeting tonight and I now definitely think that Portland Town Council are not fit for purpose. The behaviour of Denton-White was that of an out of control child with ADHD. The town clerk is not fully legally qualified yet is expected to be the financially responsible officer. Munro spun his scaremongering stories and I swear poor old Les Ames was close to tears and was prepared to resign. What an arrogant man K Dutheridge is. All members of the public who took to the floor expressed the feelings of the majority of the Portland public. captainsea
  • Score: 10

10:40pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Foursite says...

Bob Goulding wrote:
t.munro wrote:
Foursite wrote:
It is with great relief that Tim Munro and family have decided to backtrack on this hike that he said he was unable to do,and indeed this was backed up by other councilors, who at first said they voted in principle, but then changed their minds. I believe the reason is because of the business they have lost and will continue to lose. There is more openness and transparency. I hold no shame in my posts that were removed on other forums because they may have had a detrimental affect on their businesses.This would never have happened had any one of them thought of the consequences this proposal would have made to them. In this ever growing medium, PTC must keep up to date with its website,posting of the minutes etc and seek to become more democratic Tim Munro recently said that the order could not be applied retrospectively,He is proposing exactly that. PTC can not turn back the clock,our independence as The Royal Manor was lost in 1974, never again will Portland enjoy that freedom,when our council had power and we paid one charge for the services we got. I understand and welcome the backtracking, but what fools you have been made to look,we aint gonna forget this in a hurry,the clock is ticking,and many more people are now digging the dirt. You need to get your houses in order. Tick,Tick Tick Tick.
Have you threatened the other councilors who voted for this.
Or are you just picking on me? Time I did some digging and posting on Foursite and family.
You really have lost it now. Openly threatening a constituent and their family has to be the last straw. It really is time to go.
I have made no threat to anyone, I have chosen to keep your threat to me on this forum, you have already accused me of making stuff up on earlier forums and I want the whole world to see if they so wish, what a bullying, threatening councilor you still are.People now know that this is no threat, but a promise.Your daze as a Portland Town Councillor are numbered together with that of your family.!!! so dig that.
[quote][p][bold]Bob Goulding[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]t.munro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Foursite[/bold] wrote: It is with great relief that Tim Munro and family have decided to backtrack on this hike that he said he was unable to do,and indeed this was backed up by other councilors, who at first said they voted in principle, but then changed their minds. I believe the reason is because of the business they have lost and will continue to lose. There is more openness and transparency. I hold no shame in my posts that were removed on other forums because they may have had a detrimental affect on their businesses.This would never have happened had any one of them thought of the consequences this proposal would have made to them. In this ever growing medium, PTC must keep up to date with its website,posting of the minutes etc and seek to become more democratic Tim Munro recently said that the order could not be applied retrospectively,He is proposing exactly that. PTC can not turn back the clock,our independence as The Royal Manor was lost in 1974, never again will Portland enjoy that freedom,when our council had power and we paid one charge for the services we got. I understand and welcome the backtracking, but what fools you have been made to look,we aint gonna forget this in a hurry,the clock is ticking,and many more people are now digging the dirt. You need to get your houses in order. Tick,Tick Tick Tick.[/p][/quote]Have you threatened the other councilors who voted for this. Or are you just picking on me? Time I did some digging and posting on Foursite and family.[/p][/quote]You really have lost it now. Openly threatening a constituent and their family has to be the last straw. It really is time to go.[/p][/quote]I have made no threat to anyone, I have chosen to keep your threat to me on this forum, you have already accused me of making stuff up on earlier forums and I want the whole world to see if they so wish, what a bullying, threatening councilor you still are.People now know that this is no threat, but a promise.Your daze as a Portland Town Councillor are numbered together with that of your family.!!! so dig that. Foursite
  • Score: 5

11:16pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Micke12 says...

I understand that the people of Portland are peed off about the way their councillors are acting with this 1000% wise in the local council tax precept, and I fully accept and understand that a lot of families are worried that this increase, should it go ahead, will find themselves in great financial hardship.

But, and I hate to stress the obvious, you lot on the island VOTED these people in, except for Denton-White, and he only got in because there was not vote needed as there were no candidates. You voted for these people to make decisions for you, and then scream the house down when they think of taking more money from your pocket.

I am neither for or against any of the Munro clan, and obviously their will always be nepotism when there is a lot of the same family on a council. We all know that these days the politicians, either local town or nationally are only there for two reasons - MONEY and/or POWER.

If you don't like the idea of a nepotist council, then when the elections are next held, boot some or all of the Munro clan out - But, remember this, even if all the Munro clan get kicked out of Portland Town Council, Mr T Munro is still in a political place with his seat on the County Council - so the Munro family will still be in a position to hurt both Potlanders and Dorset County as a whole unless he is kicked off the DCC.

The best suggestion I can think of, is to somehow get a no confidence motion against the whole lot at PTC. This can be done, with a bit of hard headedness with a vote of no confidence - Yes, I know it is not binding or enforceable, and the council can reject it, but a vote of no confidence would be the clearest message that the council could be democratically given that the populace was unhappy and that the jobs of the councillors is very likely to end at the next town council elections unless things change and the council improves the way it does things, these councillors will find no crosses next to their name on the ballot paper at the next election.

Maybe the information below will give you people on Portland some incentive to send the council a bloody nose.

A member of the public cannot force an item on to the agenda, so a vote of this nature would require the cooperation of a councillor or the clerk. The council could refuse to take the vote and agree a resolution to move to the next item of business. A vote of no confidence has no binding consequences.

A member of the public can insist on a vote at a parish meeting, although again such a vote is not binding on the council.

Six members of the public can require a parish meeting to be held. And then insist on a vote on any matter.

Opinions can be voiced, but there is no way to remove a councillor (unless they become disqualified) except at elections. Having said that, substantial and continuing pressure from a sizeable number of the electors is likely to have an effect in the end.
I understand that the people of Portland are peed off about the way their councillors are acting with this 1000% wise in the local council tax precept, and I fully accept and understand that a lot of families are worried that this increase, should it go ahead, will find themselves in great financial hardship. But, and I hate to stress the obvious, you lot on the island VOTED these people in, except for Denton-White, and he only got in because there was not vote needed as there were no candidates. You voted for these people to make decisions for you, and then scream the house down when they think of taking more money from your pocket. I am neither for or against any of the Munro clan, and obviously their will always be nepotism when there is a lot of the same family on a council. We all know that these days the politicians, either local town or nationally are only there for two reasons - MONEY and/or POWER. If you don't like the idea of a nepotist council, then when the elections are next held, boot some or all of the Munro clan out - But, remember this, even if all the Munro clan get kicked out of Portland Town Council, Mr T Munro is still in a political place with his seat on the County Council - so the Munro family will still be in a position to hurt both Potlanders and Dorset County as a whole unless he is kicked off the DCC. The best suggestion I can think of, is to somehow get a no confidence motion against the whole lot at PTC. This can be done, with a bit of hard headedness with a vote of no confidence - Yes, I know it is not binding or enforceable, and the council can reject it, but a vote of no confidence would be the clearest message that the council could be democratically given that the populace was unhappy and that the jobs of the councillors is very likely to end at the next town council elections unless things change and the council improves the way it does things, these councillors will find no crosses next to their name on the ballot paper at the next election. Maybe the information below will give you people on Portland some incentive to send the council a bloody nose. A member of the public cannot force an item on to the agenda, so a vote of this nature would require the cooperation of a councillor or the clerk. The council could refuse to take the vote and agree a resolution to move to the next item of business. A vote of no confidence has no binding consequences. A member of the public can insist on a vote at a parish meeting, although again such a vote is not binding on the council. Six members of the public can require a parish meeting to be held. And then insist on a vote on any matter. Opinions can be voiced, but there is no way to remove a councillor (unless they become disqualified) except at elections. Having said that, substantial and continuing pressure from a sizeable number of the electors is likely to have an effect in the end. Micke12
  • Score: 3

11:56pm Mon 27 Jan 14

yellowhunter13 says...

Micke12 wrote:
I understand that the people of Portland are peed off about the way their councillors are acting with this 1000% wise in the local council tax precept, and I fully accept and understand that a lot of families are worried that this increase, should it go ahead, will find themselves in great financial hardship.

But, and I hate to stress the obvious, you lot on the island VOTED these people in, except for Denton-White, and he only got in because there was not vote needed as there were no candidates. You voted for these people to make decisions for you, and then scream the house down when they think of taking more money from your pocket.

I am neither for or against any of the Munro clan, and obviously their will always be nepotism when there is a lot of the same family on a council. We all know that these days the politicians, either local town or nationally are only there for two reasons - MONEY and/or POWER.

If you don't like the idea of a nepotist council, then when the elections are next held, boot some or all of the Munro clan out - But, remember this, even if all the Munro clan get kicked out of Portland Town Council, Mr T Munro is still in a political place with his seat on the County Council - so the Munro family will still be in a position to hurt both Potlanders and Dorset County as a whole unless he is kicked off the DCC.

The best suggestion I can think of, is to somehow get a no confidence motion against the whole lot at PTC. This can be done, with a bit of hard headedness with a vote of no confidence - Yes, I know it is not binding or enforceable, and the council can reject it, but a vote of no confidence would be the clearest message that the council could be democratically given that the populace was unhappy and that the jobs of the councillors is very likely to end at the next town council elections unless things change and the council improves the way it does things, these councillors will find no crosses next to their name on the ballot paper at the next election.

Maybe the information below will give you people on Portland some incentive to send the council a bloody nose.

A member of the public cannot force an item on to the agenda, so a vote of this nature would require the cooperation of a councillor or the clerk. The council could refuse to take the vote and agree a resolution to move to the next item of business. A vote of no confidence has no binding consequences.

A member of the public can insist on a vote at a parish meeting, although again such a vote is not binding on the council.

Six members of the public can require a parish meeting to be held. And then insist on a vote on any matter.

Opinions can be voiced, but there is no way to remove a councillor (unless they become disqualified) except at elections. Having said that, substantial and continuing pressure from a sizeable number of the electors is likely to have an effect in the end.
I get what you are saying at the beginning about we voted them in but for example myself i have only been on the island a few years and was naive to think this council would be any different than anyone else. As i thought well perhaps a parish council would be fairer and more open towards the community but how wrong was i ! Now everyone else who you say voted them in at that time there was no word of a huge precept rise and that it would be agreed on in principle or whatever. Some smaller things over the years that have been wrong have gone un noticed or swept under the carpet but now this is a huge deal because the common denominator is we all agree where as individual voting or voting of 10 for town councillor if thats what it is can be unknown until it is announced.
Plus we are paying two amounts currently in theory and the larger cut we pay that goes to the borough is not being used for Portland for what services we require or need. Our spokes people are the town council so if their voices cant be heard then the will of the people should take over or we create a new council with a different strategy i dont know? Or the last resort is just scrapping the town council all together?? One thing i do know is tonights performance by some of them was vile and ridiculous 600 people got a real true indicator of what they really are about and it is not about the community but more like personal goals....
[quote][p][bold]Micke12[/bold] wrote: I understand that the people of Portland are peed off about the way their councillors are acting with this 1000% wise in the local council tax precept, and I fully accept and understand that a lot of families are worried that this increase, should it go ahead, will find themselves in great financial hardship. But, and I hate to stress the obvious, you lot on the island VOTED these people in, except for Denton-White, and he only got in because there was not vote needed as there were no candidates. You voted for these people to make decisions for you, and then scream the house down when they think of taking more money from your pocket. I am neither for or against any of the Munro clan, and obviously their will always be nepotism when there is a lot of the same family on a council. We all know that these days the politicians, either local town or nationally are only there for two reasons - MONEY and/or POWER. If you don't like the idea of a nepotist council, then when the elections are next held, boot some or all of the Munro clan out - But, remember this, even if all the Munro clan get kicked out of Portland Town Council, Mr T Munro is still in a political place with his seat on the County Council - so the Munro family will still be in a position to hurt both Potlanders and Dorset County as a whole unless he is kicked off the DCC. The best suggestion I can think of, is to somehow get a no confidence motion against the whole lot at PTC. This can be done, with a bit of hard headedness with a vote of no confidence - Yes, I know it is not binding or enforceable, and the council can reject it, but a vote of no confidence would be the clearest message that the council could be democratically given that the populace was unhappy and that the jobs of the councillors is very likely to end at the next town council elections unless things change and the council improves the way it does things, these councillors will find no crosses next to their name on the ballot paper at the next election. Maybe the information below will give you people on Portland some incentive to send the council a bloody nose. A member of the public cannot force an item on to the agenda, so a vote of this nature would require the cooperation of a councillor or the clerk. The council could refuse to take the vote and agree a resolution to move to the next item of business. A vote of no confidence has no binding consequences. A member of the public can insist on a vote at a parish meeting, although again such a vote is not binding on the council. Six members of the public can require a parish meeting to be held. And then insist on a vote on any matter. Opinions can be voiced, but there is no way to remove a councillor (unless they become disqualified) except at elections. Having said that, substantial and continuing pressure from a sizeable number of the electors is likely to have an effect in the end.[/p][/quote]I get what you are saying at the beginning about we voted them in but for example myself i have only been on the island a few years and was naive to think this council would be any different than anyone else. As i thought well perhaps a parish council would be fairer and more open towards the community but how wrong was i ! Now everyone else who you say voted them in at that time there was no word of a huge precept rise and that it would be agreed on in principle or whatever. Some smaller things over the years that have been wrong have gone un noticed or swept under the carpet but now this is a huge deal because the common denominator is we all agree where as individual voting or voting of 10 for town councillor if thats what it is can be unknown until it is announced. Plus we are paying two amounts currently in theory and the larger cut we pay that goes to the borough is not being used for Portland for what services we require or need. Our spokes people are the town council so if their voices cant be heard then the will of the people should take over or we create a new council with a different strategy i dont know? Or the last resort is just scrapping the town council all together?? One thing i do know is tonights performance by some of them was vile and ridiculous 600 people got a real true indicator of what they really are about and it is not about the community but more like personal goals.... yellowhunter13
  • Score: 2

3:36am Tue 28 Jan 14

Under35andout says...

whats engaging with a 1000% tax increase lol
whats engaging with a 1000% tax increase lol Under35andout
  • Score: 2

8:29am Tue 28 Jan 14

Micke12 says...

Does anyone know why it is not possible to find election results for PTC online since 2007.

The dorsetforyou website has records of all borough elections up to and including 3013, but the last entry for PTC was 2007.

Has there not been an election for PTC since 2007???
Does anyone know why it is not possible to find election results for PTC online since 2007. The dorsetforyou website has records of all borough elections up to and including 3013, but the last entry for PTC was 2007. Has there not been an election for PTC since 2007??? Micke12
  • Score: 3

8:50am Tue 28 Jan 14

chisweller says...

yellowhunter13 wrote:
Micke12 wrote:
I understand that the people of Portland are peed off about the way their councillors are acting with this 1000% wise in the local council tax precept, and I fully accept and understand that a lot of families are worried that this increase, should it go ahead, will find themselves in great financial hardship.

But, and I hate to stress the obvious, you lot on the island VOTED these people in, except for Denton-White, and he only got in because there was not vote needed as there were no candidates. You voted for these people to make decisions for you, and then scream the house down when they think of taking more money from your pocket.

I am neither for or against any of the Munro clan, and obviously their will always be nepotism when there is a lot of the same family on a council. We all know that these days the politicians, either local town or nationally are only there for two reasons - MONEY and/or POWER.

If you don't like the idea of a nepotist council, then when the elections are next held, boot some or all of the Munro clan out - But, remember this, even if all the Munro clan get kicked out of Portland Town Council, Mr T Munro is still in a political place with his seat on the County Council - so the Munro family will still be in a position to hurt both Potlanders and Dorset County as a whole unless he is kicked off the DCC.

The best suggestion I can think of, is to somehow get a no confidence motion against the whole lot at PTC. This can be done, with a bit of hard headedness with a vote of no confidence - Yes, I know it is not binding or enforceable, and the council can reject it, but a vote of no confidence would be the clearest message that the council could be democratically given that the populace was unhappy and that the jobs of the councillors is very likely to end at the next town council elections unless things change and the council improves the way it does things, these councillors will find no crosses next to their name on the ballot paper at the next election.

Maybe the information below will give you people on Portland some incentive to send the council a bloody nose.

A member of the public cannot force an item on to the agenda, so a vote of this nature would require the cooperation of a councillor or the clerk. The council could refuse to take the vote and agree a resolution to move to the next item of business. A vote of no confidence has no binding consequences.

A member of the public can insist on a vote at a parish meeting, although again such a vote is not binding on the council.

Six members of the public can require a parish meeting to be held. And then insist on a vote on any matter.

Opinions can be voiced, but there is no way to remove a councillor (unless they become disqualified) except at elections. Having said that, substantial and continuing pressure from a sizeable number of the electors is likely to have an effect in the end.
I get what you are saying at the beginning about we voted them in but for example myself i have only been on the island a few years and was naive to think this council would be any different than anyone else. As i thought well perhaps a parish council would be fairer and more open towards the community but how wrong was i ! Now everyone else who you say voted them in at that time there was no word of a huge precept rise and that it would be agreed on in principle or whatever. Some smaller things over the years that have been wrong have gone un noticed or swept under the carpet but now this is a huge deal because the common denominator is we all agree where as individual voting or voting of 10 for town councillor if thats what it is can be unknown until it is announced.
Plus we are paying two amounts currently in theory and the larger cut we pay that goes to the borough is not being used for Portland for what services we require or need. Our spokes people are the town council so if their voices cant be heard then the will of the people should take over or we create a new council with a different strategy i dont know? Or the last resort is just scrapping the town council all together?? One thing i do know is tonights performance by some of them was vile and ridiculous 600 people got a real true indicator of what they really are about and it is not about the community but more like personal goals....
Wrong, so wrong. Mr Munro is not on DCC, or WPBC. Mr Denton White is not the only non elected PTC member, several including Rachel Barton have not been before the electorate. Mrs Barton did stand for WPBC but was unsuccessful in her bid. She is also unelected on Portland Community Partnership along with Mr Matthews who is also unelected PTC councillor. There are too many unelected on PTC, the Munros it would appear are the few who have submitted themselves to the electorate and do have a mandate. I don't think nepotism is the right word, the Munro family did not appoint each other, the electorate did. So many of the PTC seem to like to get their opinions taken up in other forums over which the electorate have no say, Community workers/leaders/coun
cillors the lines are blurred in small districts.
[quote][p][bold]yellowhunter13[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Micke12[/bold] wrote: I understand that the people of Portland are peed off about the way their councillors are acting with this 1000% wise in the local council tax precept, and I fully accept and understand that a lot of families are worried that this increase, should it go ahead, will find themselves in great financial hardship. But, and I hate to stress the obvious, you lot on the island VOTED these people in, except for Denton-White, and he only got in because there was not vote needed as there were no candidates. You voted for these people to make decisions for you, and then scream the house down when they think of taking more money from your pocket. I am neither for or against any of the Munro clan, and obviously their will always be nepotism when there is a lot of the same family on a council. We all know that these days the politicians, either local town or nationally are only there for two reasons - MONEY and/or POWER. If you don't like the idea of a nepotist council, then when the elections are next held, boot some or all of the Munro clan out - But, remember this, even if all the Munro clan get kicked out of Portland Town Council, Mr T Munro is still in a political place with his seat on the County Council - so the Munro family will still be in a position to hurt both Potlanders and Dorset County as a whole unless he is kicked off the DCC. The best suggestion I can think of, is to somehow get a no confidence motion against the whole lot at PTC. This can be done, with a bit of hard headedness with a vote of no confidence - Yes, I know it is not binding or enforceable, and the council can reject it, but a vote of no confidence would be the clearest message that the council could be democratically given that the populace was unhappy and that the jobs of the councillors is very likely to end at the next town council elections unless things change and the council improves the way it does things, these councillors will find no crosses next to their name on the ballot paper at the next election. Maybe the information below will give you people on Portland some incentive to send the council a bloody nose. A member of the public cannot force an item on to the agenda, so a vote of this nature would require the cooperation of a councillor or the clerk. The council could refuse to take the vote and agree a resolution to move to the next item of business. A vote of no confidence has no binding consequences. A member of the public can insist on a vote at a parish meeting, although again such a vote is not binding on the council. Six members of the public can require a parish meeting to be held. And then insist on a vote on any matter. Opinions can be voiced, but there is no way to remove a councillor (unless they become disqualified) except at elections. Having said that, substantial and continuing pressure from a sizeable number of the electors is likely to have an effect in the end.[/p][/quote]I get what you are saying at the beginning about we voted them in but for example myself i have only been on the island a few years and was naive to think this council would be any different than anyone else. As i thought well perhaps a parish council would be fairer and more open towards the community but how wrong was i ! Now everyone else who you say voted them in at that time there was no word of a huge precept rise and that it would be agreed on in principle or whatever. Some smaller things over the years that have been wrong have gone un noticed or swept under the carpet but now this is a huge deal because the common denominator is we all agree where as individual voting or voting of 10 for town councillor if thats what it is can be unknown until it is announced. Plus we are paying two amounts currently in theory and the larger cut we pay that goes to the borough is not being used for Portland for what services we require or need. Our spokes people are the town council so if their voices cant be heard then the will of the people should take over or we create a new council with a different strategy i dont know? Or the last resort is just scrapping the town council all together?? One thing i do know is tonights performance by some of them was vile and ridiculous 600 people got a real true indicator of what they really are about and it is not about the community but more like personal goals....[/p][/quote]Wrong, so wrong. Mr Munro is not on DCC, or WPBC. Mr Denton White is not the only non elected PTC member, several including Rachel Barton have not been before the electorate. Mrs Barton did stand for WPBC but was unsuccessful in her bid. She is also unelected on Portland Community Partnership along with Mr Matthews who is also unelected PTC councillor. There are too many unelected on PTC, the Munros it would appear are the few who have submitted themselves to the electorate and do have a mandate. I don't think nepotism is the right word, the Munro family did not appoint each other, the electorate did. So many of the PTC seem to like to get their opinions taken up in other forums over which the electorate have no say, Community workers/leaders/coun cillors the lines are blurred in small districts. chisweller
  • Score: 2

9:48am Tue 28 Jan 14

Genghis says...

Micke12 wrote:
Does anyone know why it is not possible to find election results for PTC online since 2007.

The dorsetforyou website has records of all borough elections up to and including 3013, but the last entry for PTC was 2007.

Has there not been an election for PTC since 2007???
So they've got all the election results right up to the year 3013? I always knew these elections were rigged beforehand. ;-)
[quote][p][bold]Micke12[/bold] wrote: Does anyone know why it is not possible to find election results for PTC online since 2007. The dorsetforyou website has records of all borough elections up to and including 3013, but the last entry for PTC was 2007. Has there not been an election for PTC since 2007???[/p][/quote]So they've got all the election results right up to the year 3013? I always knew these elections were rigged beforehand. ;-) Genghis
  • Score: 5

10:09am Tue 28 Jan 14

Bob Goulding says...

Micke12 wrote:
Does anyone know why it is not possible to find election results for PTC online since 2007.

The dorsetforyou website has records of all borough elections up to and including 3013, but the last entry for PTC was 2007.

Has there not been an election for PTC since 2007???
See page 13 of this document:

http://www.dorsetfor
you.com/media.jsp?me
diaid=191137&filetyp
e=pdf

These are the 2011 results for Underhill. I haven't found anything for Tophill 2011 yet.
[quote][p][bold]Micke12[/bold] wrote: Does anyone know why it is not possible to find election results for PTC online since 2007. The dorsetforyou website has records of all borough elections up to and including 3013, but the last entry for PTC was 2007. Has there not been an election for PTC since 2007???[/p][/quote]See page 13 of this document: http://www.dorsetfor you.com/media.jsp?me diaid=191137&filetyp e=pdf These are the 2011 results for Underhill. I haven't found anything for Tophill 2011 yet. Bob Goulding
  • Score: 2

10:14am Tue 28 Jan 14

Micke12 says...

Hi Bob. Thanks for the link, but this is only for borough elections 2011, not PTC. There is still no info available for PTC elections since 2007. Surely there has been a PTC election since 2007 as the terms for PTC are the same as WPBC - 4 years. Any more info there sir, or are the rest of us just like mushrooms.
Hi Bob. Thanks for the link, but this is only for borough elections 2011, not PTC. There is still no info available for PTC elections since 2007. Surely there has been a PTC election since 2007 as the terms for PTC are the same as WPBC - 4 years. Any more info there sir, or are the rest of us just like mushrooms. Micke12
  • Score: 1

10:24am Tue 28 Jan 14

Bob Goulding says...

Micke12 wrote:
Hi Bob. Thanks for the link, but this is only for borough elections 2011, not PTC. There is still no info available for PTC elections since 2007. Surely there has been a PTC election since 2007 as the terms for PTC are the same as WPBC - 4 years. Any more info there sir, or are the rest of us just like mushrooms.
Hi Micke. Look at the last page (13) 'Election of Town Councillors for Portland Underhill'.
[quote][p][bold]Micke12[/bold] wrote: Hi Bob. Thanks for the link, but this is only for borough elections 2011, not PTC. There is still no info available for PTC elections since 2007. Surely there has been a PTC election since 2007 as the terms for PTC are the same as WPBC - 4 years. Any more info there sir, or are the rest of us just like mushrooms.[/p][/quote]Hi Micke. Look at the last page (13) 'Election of Town Councillors for Portland Underhill'. Bob Goulding
  • Score: 1

1:38pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Micke12 says...

Thanks Bob for heads-up. Was so blind that I did not see that at the bottom. My apologies for this oversight.

However, that makes the whole debate on this precept increase even more interesting from a statistical point of view. I accept that the idea of a 1000% increase maybe being imposed is a disgrace considering that everyone is being held to low increases in wages because of this governments austerity measures, measures that I can see the logic behind, but feel has been proceeded with in the wrong way, but that is another story not for this particular discussion.

When one looks at the statistics for the PTC vote in 2011, one sees much voter apathy in the figures, apathy brought about by the populations major distrust of politicians, both nationally and locally.

2681 people eligible to vote on PTC, votes cast 874, votes not cast 1807, which means only 32.60% of the people on Portland actually voted either way, but also means that 67.40% could not be bothered to vote.

Some might blame work commitments or other matters like being single parents and not trusting to leave their children outside the polling station as minors are not allowed into polling stations - something I totally disagree with as I think this would give minors an insight to the electoral process at an early age and would make it easier for them when they are finally of an age to vote.

Even those who were genuinely unable to vote due to commitments had the right to postal vote or vote by proxy, so in reality there is no excuse for not voting other than apathy.

With that in mind, I would submit that only 874 people on Portland have the right to complain about this precept increase in any event.

There is an old saying, which I personally feel is very true and accurate - "If you don't vote, then don't complain when someone or somebody does something you don't like" I am not sure how you feel on that statement Bob, but for a number of years, due to my own stupidity, I lost the right to vote by way of holidays courtesy of Her Majesty's secure hotels.

My view was that as I ha lost my liberty due to breaking the law, I had no right to complain about government as I lost the right to so when I committed a criminal act or a number of them over the years. But, once I had sorted my life out and got over certain addiction problems, no, not drugs, I made the most of my right to vote. I agree that today politics is corrupt at all levels, but I have no right to complain unless I vote, and in the last 17 years I have voted in every possible election. I am not going to discuss my political preferences on this forum as I believe that politics is a personal choice and no one has the right to expect someone to reveal their politics, except, of course, if you stand for political office.

If you people of Portland cannot be bothered to vote because of apathy, please don't complain. Those who voted in 2011, you have my total support in this matter of the precept increase, if it happens, nut those who cold not be bothered to use the vote, either personally, by post or by proxy, you have no right to complain - by all means put forward your views, but don't complain.

If I have upset people by these comments, then I apologise for the upset, but not for the comments as they are how I feel.
Thanks Bob for heads-up. Was so blind that I did not see that at the bottom. My apologies for this oversight. However, that makes the whole debate on this precept increase even more interesting from a statistical point of view. I accept that the idea of a 1000% increase maybe being imposed is a disgrace considering that everyone is being held to low increases in wages because of this governments austerity measures, measures that I can see the logic behind, but feel has been proceeded with in the wrong way, but that is another story not for this particular discussion. When one looks at the statistics for the PTC vote in 2011, one sees much voter apathy in the figures, apathy brought about by the populations major distrust of politicians, both nationally and locally. 2681 people eligible to vote on PTC, votes cast 874, votes not cast 1807, which means only 32.60% of the people on Portland actually voted either way, but also means that 67.40% could not be bothered to vote. Some might blame work commitments or other matters like being single parents and not trusting to leave their children outside the polling station as minors are not allowed into polling stations - something I totally disagree with as I think this would give minors an insight to the electoral process at an early age and would make it easier for them when they are finally of an age to vote. Even those who were genuinely unable to vote due to commitments had the right to postal vote or vote by proxy, so in reality there is no excuse for not voting other than apathy. With that in mind, I would submit that only 874 people on Portland have the right to complain about this precept increase in any event. There is an old saying, which I personally feel is very true and accurate - "If you don't vote, then don't complain when someone or somebody does something you don't like" I am not sure how you feel on that statement Bob, but for a number of years, due to my own stupidity, I lost the right to vote by way of holidays courtesy of Her Majesty's secure hotels. My view was that as I ha lost my liberty due to breaking the law, I had no right to complain about government as I lost the right to so when I committed a criminal act or a number of them over the years. But, once I had sorted my life out and got over certain addiction problems, no, not drugs, I made the most of my right to vote. I agree that today politics is corrupt at all levels, but I have no right to complain unless I vote, and in the last 17 years I have voted in every possible election. I am not going to discuss my political preferences on this forum as I believe that politics is a personal choice and no one has the right to expect someone to reveal their politics, except, of course, if you stand for political office. If you people of Portland cannot be bothered to vote because of apathy, please don't complain. Those who voted in 2011, you have my total support in this matter of the precept increase, if it happens, nut those who cold not be bothered to use the vote, either personally, by post or by proxy, you have no right to complain - by all means put forward your views, but don't complain. If I have upset people by these comments, then I apologise for the upset, but not for the comments as they are how I feel. Micke12
  • Score: 2

3:12pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Bob Goulding says...

Micke12 wrote:
Thanks Bob for heads-up. Was so blind that I did not see that at the bottom. My apologies for this oversight.

However, that makes the whole debate on this precept increase even more interesting from a statistical point of view. I accept that the idea of a 1000% increase maybe being imposed is a disgrace considering that everyone is being held to low increases in wages because of this governments austerity measures, measures that I can see the logic behind, but feel has been proceeded with in the wrong way, but that is another story not for this particular discussion.

When one looks at the statistics for the PTC vote in 2011, one sees much voter apathy in the figures, apathy brought about by the populations major distrust of politicians, both nationally and locally.

2681 people eligible to vote on PTC, votes cast 874, votes not cast 1807, which means only 32.60% of the people on Portland actually voted either way, but also means that 67.40% could not be bothered to vote.

Some might blame work commitments or other matters like being single parents and not trusting to leave their children outside the polling station as minors are not allowed into polling stations - something I totally disagree with as I think this would give minors an insight to the electoral process at an early age and would make it easier for them when they are finally of an age to vote.

Even those who were genuinely unable to vote due to commitments had the right to postal vote or vote by proxy, so in reality there is no excuse for not voting other than apathy.

With that in mind, I would submit that only 874 people on Portland have the right to complain about this precept increase in any event.

There is an old saying, which I personally feel is very true and accurate - "If you don't vote, then don't complain when someone or somebody does something you don't like" I am not sure how you feel on that statement Bob, but for a number of years, due to my own stupidity, I lost the right to vote by way of holidays courtesy of Her Majesty's secure hotels.

My view was that as I ha lost my liberty due to breaking the law, I had no right to complain about government as I lost the right to so when I committed a criminal act or a number of them over the years. But, once I had sorted my life out and got over certain addiction problems, no, not drugs, I made the most of my right to vote. I agree that today politics is corrupt at all levels, but I have no right to complain unless I vote, and in the last 17 years I have voted in every possible election. I am not going to discuss my political preferences on this forum as I believe that politics is a personal choice and no one has the right to expect someone to reveal their politics, except, of course, if you stand for political office.

If you people of Portland cannot be bothered to vote because of apathy, please don't complain. Those who voted in 2011, you have my total support in this matter of the precept increase, if it happens, nut those who cold not be bothered to use the vote, either personally, by post or by proxy, you have no right to complain - by all means put forward your views, but don't complain.

If I have upset people by these comments, then I apologise for the upset, but not for the comments as they are how I feel.
I see your point but I think you are being a little hard on the electorate here. I don't believe it is a case of apathy its more a case of choice (or lack of it).

Historically PTC has had little more than a 'cosmetic role' in local affairs having virtually no influence over decisions made by W&PBC and DCC. (The Court Leet probably has more real power if it chose to use it). What has happened here is that, mid term, the Council has attempted to upgrade its power (and in effect modify its mandate) without the approval of the electorate.

In terms of the electoral process, and the seemingly poor turn-out, this has a lot to do with fact that there is no 'opt out' option. In the case of the 2011 Underhill election, there were only five candidates contesting four seats and, like it or not, four of the five would be elected whether or not you agreed with their individual 'manifestos'. The only way to vote against a candidate is actually not to vote at all. Unfortunately you can only make this register in turn-out is by voting for one or more of the other candidates which may not be your choice.
As I have said in posts elsewhere, I would prefer a system that allowed votes against as well as votes for which is, after all, the basis upon which parliamentary democracy works. As it is, if uncontested, someone can be elected to the council via a casual vacancy with only ten supporters and no vote. I would say that there should always be a yes/no vote requiring a majority of yes votes in order to secure election. Co-opted Councillors should also be subject to this process.
[quote][p][bold]Micke12[/bold] wrote: Thanks Bob for heads-up. Was so blind that I did not see that at the bottom. My apologies for this oversight. However, that makes the whole debate on this precept increase even more interesting from a statistical point of view. I accept that the idea of a 1000% increase maybe being imposed is a disgrace considering that everyone is being held to low increases in wages because of this governments austerity measures, measures that I can see the logic behind, but feel has been proceeded with in the wrong way, but that is another story not for this particular discussion. When one looks at the statistics for the PTC vote in 2011, one sees much voter apathy in the figures, apathy brought about by the populations major distrust of politicians, both nationally and locally. 2681 people eligible to vote on PTC, votes cast 874, votes not cast 1807, which means only 32.60% of the people on Portland actually voted either way, but also means that 67.40% could not be bothered to vote. Some might blame work commitments or other matters like being single parents and not trusting to leave their children outside the polling station as minors are not allowed into polling stations - something I totally disagree with as I think this would give minors an insight to the electoral process at an early age and would make it easier for them when they are finally of an age to vote. Even those who were genuinely unable to vote due to commitments had the right to postal vote or vote by proxy, so in reality there is no excuse for not voting other than apathy. With that in mind, I would submit that only 874 people on Portland have the right to complain about this precept increase in any event. There is an old saying, which I personally feel is very true and accurate - "If you don't vote, then don't complain when someone or somebody does something you don't like" I am not sure how you feel on that statement Bob, but for a number of years, due to my own stupidity, I lost the right to vote by way of holidays courtesy of Her Majesty's secure hotels. My view was that as I ha lost my liberty due to breaking the law, I had no right to complain about government as I lost the right to so when I committed a criminal act or a number of them over the years. But, once I had sorted my life out and got over certain addiction problems, no, not drugs, I made the most of my right to vote. I agree that today politics is corrupt at all levels, but I have no right to complain unless I vote, and in the last 17 years I have voted in every possible election. I am not going to discuss my political preferences on this forum as I believe that politics is a personal choice and no one has the right to expect someone to reveal their politics, except, of course, if you stand for political office. If you people of Portland cannot be bothered to vote because of apathy, please don't complain. Those who voted in 2011, you have my total support in this matter of the precept increase, if it happens, nut those who cold not be bothered to use the vote, either personally, by post or by proxy, you have no right to complain - by all means put forward your views, but don't complain. If I have upset people by these comments, then I apologise for the upset, but not for the comments as they are how I feel.[/p][/quote]I see your point but I think you are being a little hard on the electorate here. I don't believe it is a case of apathy its more a case of choice (or lack of it). Historically PTC has had little more than a 'cosmetic role' in local affairs having virtually no influence over decisions made by W&PBC and DCC. (The Court Leet probably has more real power if it chose to use it). What has happened here is that, mid term, the Council has attempted to upgrade its power (and in effect modify its mandate) without the approval of the electorate. In terms of the electoral process, and the seemingly poor turn-out, this has a lot to do with fact that there is no 'opt out' option. In the case of the 2011 Underhill election, there were only five candidates contesting four seats and, like it or not, four of the five would be elected whether or not you agreed with their individual 'manifestos'. The only way to vote against a candidate is actually not to vote at all. Unfortunately you can only make this register in turn-out is by voting for one or more of the other candidates which may not be your choice. As I have said in posts elsewhere, I would prefer a system that allowed votes against as well as votes for which is, after all, the basis upon which parliamentary democracy works. As it is, if uncontested, someone can be elected to the council via a casual vacancy with only ten supporters and no vote. I would say that there should always be a yes/no vote requiring a majority of yes votes in order to secure election. Co-opted Councillors should also be subject to this process. Bob Goulding
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4:16pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Kaos1974 says...

I was at the meeting tonight and am in shock that the guy called 'Chris' is a member of the Council. Did I get this wrong or did that bumbling boring 'nothing to contribute to anything' of a 'man' really get elected to the parish council by responding to an advert and putting a poster up in a chip shop?
A lot of very intelligent, passionate people stood up tonight to talk and most/all I would vote for next time. Shameful excuse of a parish council.
h
Hope we get a better choice of councillors next time.
I was at the meeting tonight and am in shock that the guy called 'Chris' is a member of the Council. Did I get this wrong or did that bumbling boring 'nothing to contribute to anything' of a 'man' really get elected to the parish council by responding to an advert and putting a poster up in a chip shop? A lot of very intelligent, passionate people stood up tonight to talk and most/all I would vote for next time. Shameful excuse of a parish council. h Hope we get a better choice of councillors next time. Kaos1974
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12:36pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Throckape says...

Councillors should represent the feeling of the people they represent. There is something wildly amiss when councillors think they have the right to preside over the populace.

There is a collossal fault in anybodies 'moral compass' if they think a 1000% increase is 'reasonable' in any situation. Any increase significantly above inflation should not be forced or sneaked through. The same goes for a 100% increase (Dorchester parking).

Portland doesn't need a town council, at any cost. In fact I'm sure we voted against the very first precept.

What we need is better representation on the W&P council. As a life long Portlander I seen no benefit in having a town council, especially not one that doesn't represent anybody I know on the Island.

There you have it, my opinion & no personal attacks ....
Councillors should represent the feeling of the people they represent. There is something wildly amiss when councillors think they have the right to preside over the populace. There is a collossal fault in anybodies 'moral compass' if they think a 1000% increase is 'reasonable' in any situation. Any increase significantly above inflation should not be forced or sneaked through. The same goes for a 100% increase (Dorchester parking). Portland doesn't need a town council, at any cost. In fact I'm sure we voted against the very first precept. What we need is better representation on the W&P council. As a life long Portlander I seen no benefit in having a town council, especially not one that doesn't represent anybody I know on the Island. There you have it, my opinion & no personal attacks .... Throckape
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4:10pm Thu 30 Jan 14

yellowhunter13 says...

Apart from R Drax comments in the echo is there going to be any punishment issued to the clowns that have made this a nightmare island or are they just going to be allowed a second bite at the cake ? Something should happen and quickly.
Apart from R Drax comments in the echo is there going to be any punishment issued to the clowns that have made this a nightmare island or are they just going to be allowed a second bite at the cake ? Something should happen and quickly. yellowhunter13
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10:06am Fri 31 Jan 14

Nomalice says...

Well said Throckape, you have taken the words right out of my mouth.
Some of the posters on this forum seem content to allow these same money- grabbers to have another go on 5th Feb.
I would prefer the meeting to discuss the mass resignation of the present council. Followed by a referendum to decide if we need a PTC .
Well said Throckape, you have taken the words right out of my mouth. Some of the posters on this forum seem content to allow these same money- grabbers to have another go on 5th Feb. I would prefer the meeting to discuss the mass resignation of the present council. Followed by a referendum to decide if we need a PTC . Nomalice
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