Shock at £1m cost of using foreign language interpreters in Dorset

THE PRICE OF TRANSLATION: £1m of taxpayers' money

LUDICROUS: Robert Oxley from the TaxPayers' Alliance

USED THE SERVICE: Hair fetish killer Danilo Restivo

MORE TO FIGURES: Svetlana Savrasova

First published in News Dorset Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Reporter

MORE than one million pounds of taxpayers’ money has been spent on foreign language interpreters in Dorset by police and the CPS in just five years.

From defendants, prosecution witnesses to victim support, the cost of translation in the county can now be revealed by the Echo.

Figures obtained under the Freedom of Information Act show that more than half of this huge amount was spent in between 2008 and 2011.

The Echo has been told that high but declining costs fall in line with the changes in the way interpreters are hired by police and the CPS as well as the expansion of the European Union and waves of immigration into the county, in those years.

Dorset Police’s highest spend in the past five years was £224,696.35 in 2009/10, while the CPS spent the most in 2010/11 – at £16,987.

Translation costs have declined in the past two years, totalling £76,290.28 for Dorset Police in 2013/14 so far and just £9,741 by the CPS in 2012/13.

The most requested interpreters to help defendants, witnesses and victims were for Polish translation.

Translation costs also includes interpreting legal documents.

It is not only visitors from overseas who get help.

Huge sums are also paid to provide translation for long-term residents.

Among the criminals who have used the service is hair fetish killer Danilo Restivo originally from Italy, who is serving a 40-year minimum life sentence for the murder of Dorset mum Heather Barnett in 2002.

A spokesman for Dorset Police said that this case demonstrated that the cost was dependent on case and crime.

In 2011, the Ministry of Justice outsourced interpretation work to private firm Applied Language Solutions (ALS) in a bid to save £18m a year.

ALS was sold to Capita, an outsourcing and recruitment company, before the contract began, and is now run as Capita Translation and Interpreting.

Dorset Police has contracts with LanguageLine Solutions and Deafinite (British Sign Language) concerning interpreters and translation work.

But those behind The Professional Interpreters for Justice campaign are calling for change.

One of the campaign’s three aims is to bring back the direct employment of freelance interpreters by the courts and police services.

The Dorset Police spokesman said: “The cost of interpreters is case and crime dependant- if, for example, it is a murder trial like that of Heather Barnett it could run on for years.

She added: “The regional contract which Dorset Police is involved with has seen a decrease in translation costs.”

The Race Relations Act simply says that all parts of the community should have access to services.

The Human Rights Act only requires translation if someone is arrested or charged with a criminal offence.

WHAT THEY SPENT

FIGURES obtained under the Freedom of Information Act revealed the amount spent on foreign language interpreter and translation costs for each financial year over the past five years.

DORSET POLICE

2008/2009 £201,759.58

2009/10 £224,696.35

2010/11 £206,476.54

2011/12 £185,103.66

2012/13 £107,494.42

2013/14 £76,290.38

Overall total for police spend: £1,001,820.93

THE CROWN PROSECUTION SERVICE

2008/2009 £14,168

2009/10 £11,765

2010/11 £16,987

2011/12 £10,542

2012/13 £9,741

Overall total for Crown Prosecution Service spend is £63,203

Overall spend: £1,065,023.93

‘Lamentable’ state of our police and courts

“IT is a lamentable situation that the courts and police find themselves in,” says the chief executive of the Institute of Translation and Interpreting.

Paul Wilson spoke to the Echo about his concerns following on from the Ministry of Justice outsourcing interpretation work in 2011.

He said that since this move many ‘good people have left the industry due to the derisory pay and conditions’.

He said: “It is a lamentable situation that the courts and police find themselves in.

“Good advice and information was ignored by the government procurement service when the contract was provided to a single supplier and that since outsourcing many good people have left the industry due to the derisory pay and conditions.

“The public ultimately suffer through poor cost control which can compromise the justice system overall.”

Although Dorset Police is part of a south west regional contract, Mr Wilson added: “Some police forces are included and some not.

“Those that are not are still using the old system or have developed their own – this is just another crazy outcome of the outsourcing framework agreement and lack of consultation at the outset.

“It is good that the police forces have resisted the government pressure to fall into line however the situation is not necessarily ideal and The Professional Interpreters for Justice campaign is working towards what that might be.”

TaxPayers' Alliance blasts waste of money

ROBERT Oxley, campaign director at the TaxPayers' Alliance, said: “It is ludicrous that such a huge amount of money should be wasted on interpreters and translation costs.

“The CPS will occasionally need to engage interpreters for visitors needing help in the UK but the amount spent on interpreters suggest that regular residents may be asking for translations services as well.

“Those living in the UK but needing translation are placing an extra burden on taxpayers.

“Cutting the amount spent on translation is an easy way of cutting waste without affecting front-line services."

‘Interpreters also saving public funds’

A FORMER Dorset Police interpreter says it is ‘unreasonable’ to consider these high translation and interpreter costs alone.

Svetlana Savrasova, of Weymouth, who worked to translate Polish and Russian for the county’s force, told the Echo that there is more behind the figures.

She is urging people to consider the money that interpreters save the taxpayer through their work and also to consider the benefits brought in by those who have moved here from other countries in terms of employment and multi-culturalism.

She says patterns in the figures, whereby the cost is much higher between 2008 and 2011, correlate with the expansion of the EU and waves of Polish immigration to the UK.

She told the Echo: “If you look at these figures alone it is unreasonable.

“Interpreters are assisting in an understanding people who have come into a new country and are settling into a new culture and getting used to the laws such as driving regulations which may be different to their own country.

“When I worked for Dorset Police all interpreters were freelance and paid £30 an hour for a minimum of three hours.

“For the first five years that I worked I earned £600 a year because there wasn’t a need for Russian or Polish translation.

“When more immigrants appeared, which you can see in these figures, we were dealing with a lot of small crimes which occurred due to cultural difference like driving offences.

“They are not people who normally broke the law but had moved to a new country.

“At my best time I was earning £40,000 a year before tax and expenses but this was when more the Polish immigration wave hit the UK five years ago and these people were settling into the country.

“If I had a job now I would earn around half of this because those who moved here in the immigration wave have either settled into the culture with their children going to the local schools and acting as their translators – or they have gone back to their countries.”

The Russian-born 53-year-old said: “It is well and good to look at the overall cost of translation but it is also important to consider the money that interpreters save by communicating between prisoners, victims and those accused – and making it so they can be understand and potentially prevent further long to term costs or even going to prison – which costs the taxpayer £80 a day.”

She added: “What struck me most about my former job was the lack of support for interpreters – I dealt with a murder case and I needed psychological support after that – it cost me £35 a week.

“We deal with the evilness of police work and were not supported.”

The former interpreter was diagnosed with stage three ovarian cancer four years ago. She said: “Polish people are the most hardworking people – so instead of looking at the cost of interpretation in the police or the CPS we should consider the benefits they have brought to this country such as hard work.

“Many Dorset companies would go under without them, they work the longest hours and weekends for the same rates. You will always find they are the last to leave the factory floor.”

  • THE costs of translation are necessary to ‘allow victims and witnesses the best opportunity to give their evidence’, according to the CPS.

A CPS spokesperson said: “The CPS spent £63,203 over a period of five years for the use of translation cost or foreign language interpreters.

“The CPS requires the uses of language interpreters for victims and prosecution witnesses only when they give evidence at court hearings.

“We need to be able to allow the victims and witnesses the best opportunity.”

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6:51am Fri 28 Mar 14

JamesYoung says...

So £1.33 per Dorset resident per year then. I have to say i thought it would be a lot higher. The NHS spends about £0.40p per person per year. Doesn't seem like anything to complain about. It would be easy to say that everybody should speak English, which they should, but i spent two years living in Norway and could only understand about 60% of what was said when i left (didn't bother with lessons, silly me).
I'm not sold on the benefits of multiculturalism, as described by the translator in the article. Multiculturalism is leading to ghettos in many parts of the country, where communities are establishing their own laws and largely ignoring the rules of the land (Shariah law is operating as a parallel system in a growing number of cities, with predictable impacts on women's rights). Eastern Europeans, though, tend to just become part of the community.
So £1.33 per Dorset resident per year then. I have to say i thought it would be a lot higher. The NHS spends about £0.40p per person per year. Doesn't seem like anything to complain about. It would be easy to say that everybody should speak English, which they should, but i spent two years living in Norway and could only understand about 60% of what was said when i left (didn't bother with lessons, silly me). I'm not sold on the benefits of multiculturalism, as described by the translator in the article. Multiculturalism is leading to ghettos in many parts of the country, where communities are establishing their own laws and largely ignoring the rules of the land (Shariah law is operating as a parallel system in a growing number of cities, with predictable impacts on women's rights). Eastern Europeans, though, tend to just become part of the community. JamesYoung
  • Score: 5

6:54am Fri 28 Mar 14

JamesYoung says...

JamesYoung wrote:
So £1.33 per Dorset resident per year then. I have to say i thought it would be a lot higher. The NHS spends about £0.40p per person per year. Doesn't seem like anything to complain about. It would be easy to say that everybody should speak English, which they should, but i spent two years living in Norway and could only understand about 60% of what was said when i left (didn't bother with lessons, silly me).
I'm not sold on the benefits of multiculturalism, as described by the translator in the article. Multiculturalism is leading to ghettos in many parts of the country, where communities are establishing their own laws and largely ignoring the rules of the land (Shariah law is operating as a parallel system in a growing number of cities, with predictable impacts on women's rights). Eastern Europeans, though, tend to just become part of the community.
Oh, hang on. I didn't spot the normal Echo trick of adding years together to justify using the words "shock", even though nobody in the article actually uses the words "shock" and the figures aren't even shocking except when added together.
So what we are actually saying is each of us pays about 60 pence per year for translation across the police service and NHS. I leave bigger tips in restaurants (usually staffed by very efficient, friendly, foreigners!).
[quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: So £1.33 per Dorset resident per year then. I have to say i thought it would be a lot higher. The NHS spends about £0.40p per person per year. Doesn't seem like anything to complain about. It would be easy to say that everybody should speak English, which they should, but i spent two years living in Norway and could only understand about 60% of what was said when i left (didn't bother with lessons, silly me). I'm not sold on the benefits of multiculturalism, as described by the translator in the article. Multiculturalism is leading to ghettos in many parts of the country, where communities are establishing their own laws and largely ignoring the rules of the land (Shariah law is operating as a parallel system in a growing number of cities, with predictable impacts on women's rights). Eastern Europeans, though, tend to just become part of the community.[/p][/quote]Oh, hang on. I didn't spot the normal Echo trick of adding years together to justify using the words "shock", even though nobody in the article actually uses the words "shock" and the figures aren't even shocking except when added together. So what we are actually saying is each of us pays about 60 pence per year for translation across the police service and NHS. I leave bigger tips in restaurants (usually staffed by very efficient, friendly, foreigners!). JamesYoung
  • Score: 1

6:56am Fri 28 Mar 14

woodsedge says...

Not a lot of money on a head by head basis and no other alternative to having a translation service. That said this article will give PUKIP supporters a field day, obviously enjoying a lie in today!
Not a lot of money on a head by head basis and no other alternative to having a translation service. That said this article will give PUKIP supporters a field day, obviously enjoying a lie in today! woodsedge
  • Score: -6

7:00am Fri 28 Mar 14

JamesYoung says...

woodsedge wrote:
Not a lot of money on a head by head basis and no other alternative to having a translation service. That said this article will give PUKIP supporters a field day, obviously enjoying a lie in today!
P?
I have to say, i misread one of your comments yesterday and thought you'd become a UKIP supporter. I nearly choked on my cornflakes.
[quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: Not a lot of money on a head by head basis and no other alternative to having a translation service. That said this article will give PUKIP supporters a field day, obviously enjoying a lie in today![/p][/quote]P? I have to say, i misread one of your comments yesterday and thought you'd become a UKIP supporter. I nearly choked on my cornflakes. JamesYoung
  • Score: -6

7:24am Fri 28 Mar 14

woodsedge says...

We LIEBOR and apparently now we have PUKIP (I think it refers to being sick!). No James, definitely not a supporter, to many fruit cakes and no real policies. It really is saddening that the Echo chooses to dramatise some of these non stories so that they get a reaction from the Dad's army squad!
We LIEBOR and apparently now we have PUKIP (I think it refers to being sick!). No James, definitely not a supporter, to many fruit cakes and no real policies. It really is saddening that the Echo chooses to dramatise some of these non stories so that they get a reaction from the Dad's army squad! woodsedge
  • Score: -13

7:51am Fri 28 Mar 14

woodsedge says...

No minus votes, a certain somebody must be having a lie in.
No minus votes, a certain somebody must be having a lie in. woodsedge
  • Score: -10

8:14am Fri 28 Mar 14

cosmick says...

Well wake up then. Thats your money they are spending, in the case of the police it must be because these people were arrested or spoken to in connection with law breaking. As for the NHS i got a letter from the NHS one side ENGLISH, other sideWAIT FOR IT!
ALBANIAN
ARABIC
BENGALI
CHINESE
FARSI
GUJARATI
HINDI
POLISH
PORTUGESE
PUNJABI
SOMALI
TURKISH
URDU.
Your money used to give this service, if when they came to our country they where only allowed in if they could speak ENGLISH what could we do with the money saved?
The money spent has not included the cost of the courts which really rockets up.
As for UKIP i went to the AGM last night and it seems we are doing very well at the moment with the biggest rise in members in the last 4 weeks.
So remember if you want to retain the BRITISH way of life and withdraw from the E/U VOTE UKIP!
OK let the debate begin.
Well wake up then. Thats your money they are spending, in the case of the police it must be because these people were arrested or spoken to in connection with law breaking. As for the NHS i got a letter from the NHS one side ENGLISH, other sideWAIT FOR IT! ALBANIAN ARABIC BENGALI CHINESE FARSI GUJARATI HINDI POLISH PORTUGESE PUNJABI SOMALI TURKISH URDU. Your money used to give this service, if when they came to our country they where only allowed in if they could speak ENGLISH what could we do with the money saved? The money spent has not included the cost of the courts which really rockets up. As for UKIP i went to the AGM last night and it seems we are doing very well at the moment with the biggest rise in members in the last 4 weeks. So remember if you want to retain the BRITISH way of life and withdraw from the E/U VOTE UKIP! OK let the debate begin. cosmick
  • Score: 21

8:53am Fri 28 Mar 14

woodsedge says...

cosmick wrote:
Well wake up then. Thats your money they are spending, in the case of the police it must be because these people were arrested or spoken to in connection with law breaking. As for the NHS i got a letter from the NHS one side ENGLISH, other sideWAIT FOR IT!
ALBANIAN
ARABIC
BENGALI
CHINESE
FARSI
GUJARATI
HINDI
POLISH
PORTUGESE
PUNJABI
SOMALI
TURKISH
URDU.
Your money used to give this service, if when they came to our country they where only allowed in if they could speak ENGLISH what could we do with the money saved?
The money spent has not included the cost of the courts which really rockets up.
As for UKIP i went to the AGM last night and it seems we are doing very well at the moment with the biggest rise in members in the last 4 weeks.
So remember if you want to retain the BRITISH way of life and withdraw from the E/U VOTE UKIP!
OK let the debate begin.
So when you go on holiday are you fluent in the foreign language of that country? Or do you do the English thing and talk solely and louder than normal! If you were in a foreign country and you wee arrested or needed their medical services, wouldn't you want a translator? But your rant isn't about that is it, it's about the PUKIP 'Dads Army' mentality of guarding the home front and the insular approach that has no place in a global planet. And how does coming out of the EU stop you from getting letters with Hindu, Arabic, Bengali, Chinese and all the other non Europe languages? Or does your rant expose your real feelings about 'johnny foreigner'? How about producing the figures that support your claim that court translators increase the figures.
[quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: Well wake up then. Thats your money they are spending, in the case of the police it must be because these people were arrested or spoken to in connection with law breaking. As for the NHS i got a letter from the NHS one side ENGLISH, other sideWAIT FOR IT! ALBANIAN ARABIC BENGALI CHINESE FARSI GUJARATI HINDI POLISH PORTUGESE PUNJABI SOMALI TURKISH URDU. Your money used to give this service, if when they came to our country they where only allowed in if they could speak ENGLISH what could we do with the money saved? The money spent has not included the cost of the courts which really rockets up. As for UKIP i went to the AGM last night and it seems we are doing very well at the moment with the biggest rise in members in the last 4 weeks. So remember if you want to retain the BRITISH way of life and withdraw from the E/U VOTE UKIP! OK let the debate begin.[/p][/quote]So when you go on holiday are you fluent in the foreign language of that country? Or do you do the English thing and talk solely and louder than normal! If you were in a foreign country and you wee arrested or needed their medical services, wouldn't you want a translator? But your rant isn't about that is it, it's about the PUKIP 'Dads Army' mentality of guarding the home front and the insular approach that has no place in a global planet. And how does coming out of the EU stop you from getting letters with Hindu, Arabic, Bengali, Chinese and all the other non Europe languages? Or does your rant expose your real feelings about 'johnny foreigner'? How about producing the figures that support your claim that court translators increase the figures. woodsedge
  • Score: -6

9:21am Fri 28 Mar 14

PHonnor says...

Echo in "SHOCK" story again SHOCKER!
Echo in "SHOCK" story again SHOCKER! PHonnor
  • Score: 15

10:01am Fri 28 Mar 14

cosmick says...

woodsedge wrote:
cosmick wrote:
Well wake up then. Thats your money they are spending, in the case of the police it must be because these people were arrested or spoken to in connection with law breaking. As for the NHS i got a letter from the NHS one side ENGLISH, other sideWAIT FOR IT!
ALBANIAN
ARABIC
BENGALI
CHINESE
FARSI
GUJARATI
HINDI
POLISH
PORTUGESE
PUNJABI
SOMALI
TURKISH
URDU.
Your money used to give this service, if when they came to our country they where only allowed in if they could speak ENGLISH what could we do with the money saved?
The money spent has not included the cost of the courts which really rockets up.
As for UKIP i went to the AGM last night and it seems we are doing very well at the moment with the biggest rise in members in the last 4 weeks.
So remember if you want to retain the BRITISH way of life and withdraw from the E/U VOTE UKIP!
OK let the debate begin.
So when you go on holiday are you fluent in the foreign language of that country? Or do you do the English thing and talk solely and louder than normal! If you were in a foreign country and you wee arrested or needed their medical services, wouldn't you want a translator? But your rant isn't about that is it, it's about the PUKIP 'Dads Army' mentality of guarding the home front and the insular approach that has no place in a global planet. And how does coming out of the EU stop you from getting letters with Hindu, Arabic, Bengali, Chinese and all the other non Europe languages? Or does your rant expose your real feelings about 'johnny foreigner'? How about producing the figures that support your claim that court translators increase the figures.
First you do not understand the truth.
My son works in the court services, the figures for the 2012 //2013 cost were at least £85,000000 . this excludes police station inteviews and translators on the phones with police inncedents like rta,s.
The ammount of languages translated was over 250.
Some translators travel hundreds of miles only for after a short time in court the case is ajurned.
As for your comments about going overseas and needing help this could be done with insurance at no cost to the taxpayers of our country.
You rant and rave about DADS ARMY with your mates, THANK GOD they were herelooking after the interest of you and people before you.
We waste to much money on other people when a simple insurance policy would do.
Of course if you are comming to this country to steal, cheat people out of money the insurance cost may be out of reach.
As your johnny foreigner remark its not about race its about space.
Maybe you did not watch the itv program about the people comming to our country last night, as you have no interest in the truth.
[quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: Well wake up then. Thats your money they are spending, in the case of the police it must be because these people were arrested or spoken to in connection with law breaking. As for the NHS i got a letter from the NHS one side ENGLISH, other sideWAIT FOR IT! ALBANIAN ARABIC BENGALI CHINESE FARSI GUJARATI HINDI POLISH PORTUGESE PUNJABI SOMALI TURKISH URDU. Your money used to give this service, if when they came to our country they where only allowed in if they could speak ENGLISH what could we do with the money saved? The money spent has not included the cost of the courts which really rockets up. As for UKIP i went to the AGM last night and it seems we are doing very well at the moment with the biggest rise in members in the last 4 weeks. So remember if you want to retain the BRITISH way of life and withdraw from the E/U VOTE UKIP! OK let the debate begin.[/p][/quote]So when you go on holiday are you fluent in the foreign language of that country? Or do you do the English thing and talk solely and louder than normal! If you were in a foreign country and you wee arrested or needed their medical services, wouldn't you want a translator? But your rant isn't about that is it, it's about the PUKIP 'Dads Army' mentality of guarding the home front and the insular approach that has no place in a global planet. And how does coming out of the EU stop you from getting letters with Hindu, Arabic, Bengali, Chinese and all the other non Europe languages? Or does your rant expose your real feelings about 'johnny foreigner'? How about producing the figures that support your claim that court translators increase the figures.[/p][/quote]First you do not understand the truth. My son works in the court services, the figures for the 2012 //2013 cost were at least £85,000000 . this excludes police station inteviews and translators on the phones with police inncedents like rta,s. The ammount of languages translated was over 250. Some translators travel hundreds of miles only for after a short time in court the case is ajurned. As for your comments about going overseas and needing help this could be done with insurance at no cost to the taxpayers of our country. You rant and rave about DADS ARMY with your mates, THANK GOD they were herelooking after the interest of you and people before you. We waste to much money on other people when a simple insurance policy would do. Of course if you are comming to this country to steal, cheat people out of money the insurance cost may be out of reach. As your johnny foreigner remark its not about race its about space. Maybe you did not watch the itv program about the people comming to our country last night, as you have no interest in the truth. cosmick
  • Score: 18

10:23am Fri 28 Mar 14

cj07589 says...

woodsedge wrote:
Not a lot of money on a head by head basis and no other alternative to having a translation service. That said this article will give PUKIP supporters a field day, obviously enjoying a lie in today!
I am of the opinion that it is mis-appropriated public funds that could be appropriated to other more pressing priorities such as education, welfare, NHS, defence etc....
If you move to another country to live and work permanently then you should be able to speak the local language otherwise how can you expect to get a job?
[quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: Not a lot of money on a head by head basis and no other alternative to having a translation service. That said this article will give PUKIP supporters a field day, obviously enjoying a lie in today![/p][/quote]I am of the opinion that it is mis-appropriated public funds that could be appropriated to other more pressing priorities such as education, welfare, NHS, defence etc.... If you move to another country to live and work permanently then you should be able to speak the local language otherwise how can you expect to get a job? cj07589
  • Score: 20

10:28am Fri 28 Mar 14

Sigurd Hoberth says...

cj07589 wrote:
woodsedge wrote:
Not a lot of money on a head by head basis and no other alternative to having a translation service. That said this article will give PUKIP supporters a field day, obviously enjoying a lie in today!
I am of the opinion that it is mis-appropriated public funds that could be appropriated to other more pressing priorities such as education, welfare, NHS, defence etc....
If you move to another country to live and work permanently then you should be able to speak the local language otherwise how can you expect to get a job?
That last bit an excellent point. Why are they allowed to reside here if they cannot? Clearly little prospects of work if they can't?
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: Not a lot of money on a head by head basis and no other alternative to having a translation service. That said this article will give PUKIP supporters a field day, obviously enjoying a lie in today![/p][/quote]I am of the opinion that it is mis-appropriated public funds that could be appropriated to other more pressing priorities such as education, welfare, NHS, defence etc.... If you move to another country to live and work permanently then you should be able to speak the local language otherwise how can you expect to get a job?[/p][/quote]That last bit an excellent point. Why are they allowed to reside here if they cannot? Clearly little prospects of work if they can't? Sigurd Hoberth
  • Score: 18

10:32am Fri 28 Mar 14

cj07589 says...

woodsedge wrote:
cosmick wrote:
Well wake up then. Thats your money they are spending, in the case of the police it must be because these people were arrested or spoken to in connection with law breaking. As for the NHS i got a letter from the NHS one side ENGLISH, other sideWAIT FOR IT!
ALBANIAN
ARABIC
BENGALI
CHINESE
FARSI
GUJARATI
HINDI
POLISH
PORTUGESE
PUNJABI
SOMALI
TURKISH
URDU.
Your money used to give this service, if when they came to our country they where only allowed in if they could speak ENGLISH what could we do with the money saved?
The money spent has not included the cost of the courts which really rockets up.
As for UKIP i went to the AGM last night and it seems we are doing very well at the moment with the biggest rise in members in the last 4 weeks.
So remember if you want to retain the BRITISH way of life and withdraw from the E/U VOTE UKIP!
OK let the debate begin.
So when you go on holiday are you fluent in the foreign language of that country? Or do you do the English thing and talk solely and louder than normal! If you were in a foreign country and you wee arrested or needed their medical services, wouldn't you want a translator? But your rant isn't about that is it, it's about the PUKIP 'Dads Army' mentality of guarding the home front and the insular approach that has no place in a global planet. And how does coming out of the EU stop you from getting letters with Hindu, Arabic, Bengali, Chinese and all the other non Europe languages? Or does your rant expose your real feelings about 'johnny foreigner'? How about producing the figures that support your claim that court translators increase the figures.
When I lived and worked in China and HK I learnt the local languages Cantonese and Mandarin, admittedly I wasn't great at it to start with, but I learnt it eventually and became fluent. This is quite normal for people who want to integrate into the culture and seize all the opportunities available to them.
[quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: Well wake up then. Thats your money they are spending, in the case of the police it must be because these people were arrested or spoken to in connection with law breaking. As for the NHS i got a letter from the NHS one side ENGLISH, other sideWAIT FOR IT! ALBANIAN ARABIC BENGALI CHINESE FARSI GUJARATI HINDI POLISH PORTUGESE PUNJABI SOMALI TURKISH URDU. Your money used to give this service, if when they came to our country they where only allowed in if they could speak ENGLISH what could we do with the money saved? The money spent has not included the cost of the courts which really rockets up. As for UKIP i went to the AGM last night and it seems we are doing very well at the moment with the biggest rise in members in the last 4 weeks. So remember if you want to retain the BRITISH way of life and withdraw from the E/U VOTE UKIP! OK let the debate begin.[/p][/quote]So when you go on holiday are you fluent in the foreign language of that country? Or do you do the English thing and talk solely and louder than normal! If you were in a foreign country and you wee arrested or needed their medical services, wouldn't you want a translator? But your rant isn't about that is it, it's about the PUKIP 'Dads Army' mentality of guarding the home front and the insular approach that has no place in a global planet. And how does coming out of the EU stop you from getting letters with Hindu, Arabic, Bengali, Chinese and all the other non Europe languages? Or does your rant expose your real feelings about 'johnny foreigner'? How about producing the figures that support your claim that court translators increase the figures.[/p][/quote]When I lived and worked in China and HK I learnt the local languages Cantonese and Mandarin, admittedly I wasn't great at it to start with, but I learnt it eventually and became fluent. This is quite normal for people who want to integrate into the culture and seize all the opportunities available to them. cj07589
  • Score: 21

11:44am Fri 28 Mar 14

Get a grip says...

UKIP has an appleals to those who are not able to form a view for themselves.
UKIP has an appleals to those who are not able to form a view for themselves. Get a grip
  • Score: -21

11:44am Fri 28 Mar 14

hoopeybird says...

The simple answer to this is for us to bill the country the person came from.
Sorry-but if people choose to live in our country they need to learn the language-or put up with the consequences of not doing so.Remember these people have offended-so why should we have a no expense spared approach. If I went to live in another country Ii would learn the language.We should not have to pay huge sums of money for foreign criminals.They should be sent to the country of their origin to be dealt with-or that country should,as I say,be billed.We are too soft in this country.
The simple answer to this is for us to bill the country the person came from. Sorry-but if people choose to live in our country they need to learn the language-or put up with the consequences of not doing so.Remember these people have offended-so why should we have a no expense spared approach. If I went to live in another country Ii would learn the language.We should not have to pay huge sums of money for foreign criminals.They should be sent to the country of their origin to be dealt with-or that country should,as I say,be billed.We are too soft in this country. hoopeybird
  • Score: 23

11:59am Fri 28 Mar 14

cj07589 says...

Get a grip wrote:
UKIP has an appleals to those who are not able to form a view for themselves.
It probably also appeals to those educated souls amoungst us who can string a coherent sentence together too! :-))
[quote][p][bold]Get a grip[/bold] wrote: UKIP has an appleals to those who are not able to form a view for themselves.[/p][/quote]It probably also appeals to those educated souls amoungst us who can string a coherent sentence together too! :-)) cj07589
  • Score: 13

12:00pm Fri 28 Mar 14

livid99 says...

cosmick wrote:
Well wake up then. Thats your money they are spending, in the case of the police it must be because these people were arrested or spoken to in connection with law breaking. As for the NHS i got a letter from the NHS one side ENGLISH, other sideWAIT FOR IT!
ALBANIAN
ARABIC
BENGALI
CHINESE
FARSI
GUJARATI
HINDI
POLISH
PORTUGESE
PUNJABI
SOMALI
TURKISH
URDU.
Your money used to give this service, if when they came to our country they where only allowed in if they could speak ENGLISH what could we do with the money saved?
The money spent has not included the cost of the courts which really rockets up.
As for UKIP i went to the AGM last night and it seems we are doing very well at the moment with the biggest rise in members in the last 4 weeks.
So remember if you want to retain the BRITISH way of life and withdraw from the E/U VOTE UKIP!
OK let the debate begin.
Yawn.....Presumably you are one of those people who go on holiday to Spain, or Greece or Turkey and can automatically speak the language of these countries fluently ? If not, why not ? And if you cannot, presumably you rely on translations while you are there ?
And what is this BRITISH way of life ? How do you define it ???
I watched Farage on the TV debate, and while I am certainly no fan of Nick Clegg, every time Farage opened his huge grinning mouth I just cringed and felt the urge to chuck my dinner at him. If he thinks he represents the average Brit - of which I am one - then he is wrong. If he ever wins the election, I will become an immigrant in another country.
[quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: Well wake up then. Thats your money they are spending, in the case of the police it must be because these people were arrested or spoken to in connection with law breaking. As for the NHS i got a letter from the NHS one side ENGLISH, other sideWAIT FOR IT! ALBANIAN ARABIC BENGALI CHINESE FARSI GUJARATI HINDI POLISH PORTUGESE PUNJABI SOMALI TURKISH URDU. Your money used to give this service, if when they came to our country they where only allowed in if they could speak ENGLISH what could we do with the money saved? The money spent has not included the cost of the courts which really rockets up. As for UKIP i went to the AGM last night and it seems we are doing very well at the moment with the biggest rise in members in the last 4 weeks. So remember if you want to retain the BRITISH way of life and withdraw from the E/U VOTE UKIP! OK let the debate begin.[/p][/quote]Yawn.....Presumably you are one of those people who go on holiday to Spain, or Greece or Turkey and can automatically speak the language of these countries fluently ? If not, why not ? And if you cannot, presumably you rely on translations while you are there ? And what is this BRITISH way of life ? How do you define it ??? I watched Farage on the TV debate, and while I am certainly no fan of Nick Clegg, every time Farage opened his huge grinning mouth I just cringed and felt the urge to chuck my dinner at him. If he thinks he represents the average Brit - of which I am one - then he is wrong. If he ever wins the election, I will become an immigrant in another country. livid99
  • Score: -7

12:02pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Sigurd Hoberth says...

Get a grip wrote:
UKIP has an appleals to those who are not able to form a view for themselves.
Spoken like a true Bigot.
[quote][p][bold]Get a grip[/bold] wrote: UKIP has an appleals to those who are not able to form a view for themselves.[/p][/quote]Spoken like a true Bigot. Sigurd Hoberth
  • Score: 10

12:13pm Fri 28 Mar 14

woodsedge says...

Get a grip wrote:
UKIP has an appleals to those who are not able to form a view for themselves.
Quite agree Get a Grip, the problem is Farage's and PUKIP get away with regurgitating the same old policies that lack any substance and the 'angry with society mob' fall for it every time. I will be glad when the PUKIP EU protest vote is out the way, and they will be exposed as as useless as the rest of the so called political parties.
[quote][p][bold]Get a grip[/bold] wrote: UKIP has an appleals to those who are not able to form a view for themselves.[/p][/quote]Quite agree Get a Grip, the problem is Farage's and PUKIP get away with regurgitating the same old policies that lack any substance and the 'angry with society mob' fall for it every time. I will be glad when the PUKIP EU protest vote is out the way, and they will be exposed as as useless as the rest of the so called political parties. woodsedge
  • Score: -12

12:13pm Fri 28 Mar 14

radiator says...

So some of you are not proud to be British and live by own laws,I worked in Germany a few years back and even then they used to laugh at us for being a soft touch.A lot of German workers that I was involved with were sick and tired of the EU ie having to work hard and their taxes going to prop up lame duck countries.You call Farage a fruit cake etc but everything he has ever said has come true about the EU, I would rather believe that man than some of the present MPs
So some of you are not proud to be British and live by own laws,I worked in Germany a few years back and even then they used to laugh at us for being a soft touch.A lot of German workers that I was involved with were sick and tired of the EU ie having to work hard and their taxes going to prop up lame duck countries.You call Farage a fruit cake etc but everything he has ever said has come true about the EU, I would rather believe that man than some of the present MPs radiator
  • Score: 18

12:18pm Fri 28 Mar 14

custos says...

PHonnor wrote:
Echo in "SHOCK" story again SHOCKER!
The Dorset Echo Headlines are looking more like the Daily Wail every day :-)
[quote][p][bold]PHonnor[/bold] wrote: Echo in "SHOCK" story again SHOCKER![/p][/quote]The Dorset Echo Headlines are looking more like the Daily Wail every day :-) custos
  • Score: 0

12:19pm Fri 28 Mar 14

custos says...

Get a grip wrote:
UKIP has an appleals to those who are not able to form a view for themselves.
What?
[quote][p][bold]Get a grip[/bold] wrote: UKIP has an appleals to those who are not able to form a view for themselves.[/p][/quote]What? custos
  • Score: 15

12:22pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Sigurd Hoberth says...

Appleals? (sic) I think he needs an Interpreter, or a boat ticket?
Appleals? (sic) I think he needs an Interpreter, or a boat ticket? Sigurd Hoberth
  • Score: 17

12:31pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Sigurd Hoberth says...

https://www.youtube.
com/watch?v=i6hy8Kye
dJA

Only one party has THIS country's interest at heart.
https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=i6hy8Kye dJA Only one party has THIS country's interest at heart. Sigurd Hoberth
  • Score: 7

12:45pm Fri 28 Mar 14

woodsedge says...

Mr. Farage is the leader of a party that wants Britain to join Papua New Guinea, Swaziland, Lesotho, and the USA as countries that do not support paid maternity leave. PUKIP Member Godfrey Bloom’s advice to women was “if you want to have a baby, you hand in your resignation and free up a job for another young lady.” Currently, it is PUKIP policy to repeal provisions of the Equalities Act 2010, which protects people from discrimination at work on the basis of gender, race, religion, or sexual orientation? Unsurprisingly, Mr. Farage was also a critic of the Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Act passed last year, and remains the only leader of a major party to oppose it. Recently, David Silvester, a UKIP councilor in Henley, wrote to a newspaper claiming that the country was beset by storms because of David Cameron acting “arrogantly against the gospel” in bringing forward equal marriage legislation. Mr. Farage resisted calls to expel him from PUKIP, and has already pledged not to expel members who call homosexuality ‘disgusting’. Definitely a fruit cake party full of those that take notice of empty vessels.
Mr. Farage is the leader of a party that wants Britain to join Papua New Guinea, Swaziland, Lesotho, and the USA as countries that do not support paid maternity leave. PUKIP Member Godfrey Bloom’s advice to women was “if you want to have a baby, you hand in your resignation and free up a job for another young lady.” Currently, it is PUKIP policy to repeal provisions of the Equalities Act 2010, which protects people from discrimination at work on the basis of gender, race, religion, or sexual orientation? Unsurprisingly, Mr. Farage was also a critic of the Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Act passed last year, and remains the only leader of a major party to oppose it. Recently, David Silvester, a UKIP councilor in Henley, wrote to a newspaper claiming that the country was beset by storms because of David Cameron acting “arrogantly against the gospel” in bringing forward equal marriage legislation. Mr. Farage resisted calls to expel him from PUKIP, and has already pledged not to expel members who call homosexuality ‘disgusting’. Definitely a fruit cake party full of those that take notice of empty vessels. woodsedge
  • Score: -12

1:33pm Fri 28 Mar 14

DucksQuack says...

Xenophobia is alive and well in Dorset I see. On the subject of the article, justice should be accessible to all, I don't see a problem with the cost, and as others have pointed out it's a typical Echo "shock" tactic.

As for the wider issue being discussed in the comments section. I welcome and embrace a multicultural Dorset and Britain. We are a nation of immigrants and long may this tradition continue to shape us and make us the diverse and successful country that we are. .
Xenophobia is alive and well in Dorset I see. On the subject of the article, justice should be accessible to all, I don't see a problem with the cost, and as others have pointed out it's a typical Echo "shock" tactic. As for the wider issue being discussed in the comments section. I welcome and embrace a multicultural Dorset and Britain. We are a nation of immigrants and long may this tradition continue to shape us and make us the diverse and successful country that we are. . DucksQuack
  • Score: -16

1:35pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Sigurd Hoberth says...

https://www.youtube.
com/watch?v=_tH7XCcn
YZs&list=UUurltq-zCm
89FNhkH9k5RZw
https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=_tH7XCcn YZs&list=UUurltq-zCm 89FNhkH9k5RZw Sigurd Hoberth
  • Score: 9

1:48pm Fri 28 Mar 14

cj07589 says...

woodsedge wrote:
Mr. Farage is the leader of a party that wants Britain to join Papua New Guinea, Swaziland, Lesotho, and the USA as countries that do not support paid maternity leave. PUKIP Member Godfrey Bloom’s advice to women was “if you want to have a baby, you hand in your resignation and free up a job for another young lady.” Currently, it is PUKIP policy to repeal provisions of the Equalities Act 2010, which protects people from discrimination at work on the basis of gender, race, religion, or sexual orientation? Unsurprisingly, Mr. Farage was also a critic of the Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Act passed last year, and remains the only leader of a major party to oppose it. Recently, David Silvester, a UKIP councilor in Henley, wrote to a newspaper claiming that the country was beset by storms because of David Cameron acting “arrogantly against the gospel” in bringing forward equal marriage legislation. Mr. Farage resisted calls to expel him from PUKIP, and has already pledged not to expel members who call homosexuality ‘disgusting’. Definitely a fruit cake party full of those that take notice of empty vessels.
O dear Woodsedge you really do take issue with other people expressing different beliefs to yourself. I thought you'd practice a bit more of what you claim to preach and be more tolerant of other peoples views and wishes. What a shame eh? Clearly your uninformed since if you'd bothered to watch the topical politics of the day, then you would have heard Nigel Farage confirm that they do support Gay rights and Gay marriage specifically. More uniformed biased and predujuced vial is not something I'd expect from you me old bean.
[quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: Mr. Farage is the leader of a party that wants Britain to join Papua New Guinea, Swaziland, Lesotho, and the USA as countries that do not support paid maternity leave. PUKIP Member Godfrey Bloom’s advice to women was “if you want to have a baby, you hand in your resignation and free up a job for another young lady.” Currently, it is PUKIP policy to repeal provisions of the Equalities Act 2010, which protects people from discrimination at work on the basis of gender, race, religion, or sexual orientation? Unsurprisingly, Mr. Farage was also a critic of the Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Act passed last year, and remains the only leader of a major party to oppose it. Recently, David Silvester, a UKIP councilor in Henley, wrote to a newspaper claiming that the country was beset by storms because of David Cameron acting “arrogantly against the gospel” in bringing forward equal marriage legislation. Mr. Farage resisted calls to expel him from PUKIP, and has already pledged not to expel members who call homosexuality ‘disgusting’. Definitely a fruit cake party full of those that take notice of empty vessels.[/p][/quote]O dear Woodsedge you really do take issue with other people expressing different beliefs to yourself. I thought you'd practice a bit more of what you claim to preach and be more tolerant of other peoples views and wishes. What a shame eh? Clearly your uninformed since if you'd bothered to watch the topical politics of the day, then you would have heard Nigel Farage confirm that they do support Gay rights and Gay marriage specifically. More uniformed biased and predujuced vial is not something I'd expect from you me old bean. cj07589
  • Score: 11

1:55pm Fri 28 Mar 14

woodsedge says...

cj07589 wrote:
woodsedge wrote:
Mr. Farage is the leader of a party that wants Britain to join Papua New Guinea, Swaziland, Lesotho, and the USA as countries that do not support paid maternity leave. PUKIP Member Godfrey Bloom’s advice to women was “if you want to have a baby, you hand in your resignation and free up a job for another young lady.” Currently, it is PUKIP policy to repeal provisions of the Equalities Act 2010, which protects people from discrimination at work on the basis of gender, race, religion, or sexual orientation? Unsurprisingly, Mr. Farage was also a critic of the Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Act passed last year, and remains the only leader of a major party to oppose it. Recently, David Silvester, a UKIP councilor in Henley, wrote to a newspaper claiming that the country was beset by storms because of David Cameron acting “arrogantly against the gospel” in bringing forward equal marriage legislation. Mr. Farage resisted calls to expel him from PUKIP, and has already pledged not to expel members who call homosexuality ‘disgusting’. Definitely a fruit cake party full of those that take notice of empty vessels.
O dear Woodsedge you really do take issue with other people expressing different beliefs to yourself. I thought you'd practice a bit more of what you claim to preach and be more tolerant of other peoples views and wishes. What a shame eh? Clearly your uninformed since if you'd bothered to watch the topical politics of the day, then you would have heard Nigel Farage confirm that they do support Gay rights and Gay marriage specifically. More uniformed biased and predujuced vial is not something I'd expect from you me old bean.
"The Ukip leader has said he opposes same sex marriage while Britain is subject to the European Court of Human Rights, because he fears churches will be forced to conduct ceremonies if a test case is launched on equality grounds. But he refused to give a clear answer when asked if he would support the if Britain was not subject to the courts, saying it would be for the House of Commons to decide. He now faces calls to clarify his position".

In the news 2 hours ago old bean, but yes I apologise for not being tolerant of those with opposing views to mine
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: Mr. Farage is the leader of a party that wants Britain to join Papua New Guinea, Swaziland, Lesotho, and the USA as countries that do not support paid maternity leave. PUKIP Member Godfrey Bloom’s advice to women was “if you want to have a baby, you hand in your resignation and free up a job for another young lady.” Currently, it is PUKIP policy to repeal provisions of the Equalities Act 2010, which protects people from discrimination at work on the basis of gender, race, religion, or sexual orientation? Unsurprisingly, Mr. Farage was also a critic of the Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Act passed last year, and remains the only leader of a major party to oppose it. Recently, David Silvester, a UKIP councilor in Henley, wrote to a newspaper claiming that the country was beset by storms because of David Cameron acting “arrogantly against the gospel” in bringing forward equal marriage legislation. Mr. Farage resisted calls to expel him from PUKIP, and has already pledged not to expel members who call homosexuality ‘disgusting’. Definitely a fruit cake party full of those that take notice of empty vessels.[/p][/quote]O dear Woodsedge you really do take issue with other people expressing different beliefs to yourself. I thought you'd practice a bit more of what you claim to preach and be more tolerant of other peoples views and wishes. What a shame eh? Clearly your uninformed since if you'd bothered to watch the topical politics of the day, then you would have heard Nigel Farage confirm that they do support Gay rights and Gay marriage specifically. More uniformed biased and predujuced vial is not something I'd expect from you me old bean.[/p][/quote]"The Ukip leader has said he opposes same sex marriage while Britain is subject to the European Court of Human Rights, because he fears churches will be forced to conduct ceremonies if a test case is launched on equality grounds. But he refused to give a clear answer when asked if he would support the if Britain was not subject to the courts, saying it would be for the House of Commons to decide. He now faces calls to clarify his position". In the news 2 hours ago old bean, but yes I apologise for not being tolerant of those with opposing views to mine woodsedge
  • Score: -10

1:59pm Fri 28 Mar 14

DucksQuack says...

Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
Get a grip wrote:
UKIP has an appleals to those who are not able to form a view for themselves.
Spoken like a true Bigot.
Bigot. Someone who, as a result of their prejudices, treats or views other people with fear, distrust, hatred, contempt, or intolerance on the basis of a person's opinion, ethnicity, race, religion, national origin, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, disability, socioeconomic status, or other characteristics.

Sums up UKIP pretty accurately I think you'll agree my downvoting UKIP friends.
[quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Get a grip[/bold] wrote: UKIP has an appleals to those who are not able to form a view for themselves.[/p][/quote]Spoken like a true Bigot.[/p][/quote]Bigot. Someone who, as a result of their prejudices, treats or views other people with fear, distrust, hatred, contempt, or intolerance on the basis of a person's opinion, ethnicity, race, religion, national origin, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, disability, socioeconomic status, or other characteristics. Sums up UKIP pretty accurately I think you'll agree my downvoting UKIP friends. DucksQuack
  • Score: -10

2:00pm Fri 28 Mar 14

cj07589 says...

DucksQuack wrote:
Xenophobia is alive and well in Dorset I see. On the subject of the article, justice should be accessible to all, I don't see a problem with the cost, and as others have pointed out it's a typical Echo "shock" tactic.

As for the wider issue being discussed in the comments section. I welcome and embrace a multicultural Dorset and Britain. We are a nation of immigrants and long may this tradition continue to shape us and make us the diverse and successful country that we are. .
More uniformed rubbish from someone who clearly doesn't know the truth nor official policy. May I suggest you first bother to read the party manifesto, failing that then watch the Sky TV Cleggy vs Farage debate next Tuesday and then your realise what ignorant and predujuiced rubbish your sprouting. If you've got your own smear agenda then fine, but at least take the time to research the truth and learn the facts before making sweeping assumptions and accusations because it doesn't align with your political persuasion or liberal agenda to force on others who don't agree with it.
[quote][p][bold]DucksQuack[/bold] wrote: Xenophobia is alive and well in Dorset I see. On the subject of the article, justice should be accessible to all, I don't see a problem with the cost, and as others have pointed out it's a typical Echo "shock" tactic. As for the wider issue being discussed in the comments section. I welcome and embrace a multicultural Dorset and Britain. We are a nation of immigrants and long may this tradition continue to shape us and make us the diverse and successful country that we are. .[/p][/quote]More uniformed rubbish from someone who clearly doesn't know the truth nor official policy. May I suggest you first bother to read the party manifesto, failing that then watch the Sky TV Cleggy vs Farage debate next Tuesday and then your realise what ignorant and predujuiced rubbish your sprouting. If you've got your own smear agenda then fine, but at least take the time to research the truth and learn the facts before making sweeping assumptions and accusations because it doesn't align with your political persuasion or liberal agenda to force on others who don't agree with it. cj07589
  • Score: 12

2:01pm Fri 28 Mar 14

cj07589 says...

DucksQuack wrote:
Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
Get a grip wrote:
UKIP has an appleals to those who are not able to form a view for themselves.
Spoken like a true Bigot.
Bigot. Someone who, as a result of their prejudices, treats or views other people with fear, distrust, hatred, contempt, or intolerance on the basis of a person's opinion, ethnicity, race, religion, national origin, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, disability, socioeconomic status, or other characteristics.

Sums up UKIP pretty accurately I think you'll agree my downvoting UKIP friends.
You are intolerant and ignorant hypocrite but hey don't let that stop you for making a fool of yourself.
[quote][p][bold]DucksQuack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Get a grip[/bold] wrote: UKIP has an appleals to those who are not able to form a view for themselves.[/p][/quote]Spoken like a true Bigot.[/p][/quote]Bigot. Someone who, as a result of their prejudices, treats or views other people with fear, distrust, hatred, contempt, or intolerance on the basis of a person's opinion, ethnicity, race, religion, national origin, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, disability, socioeconomic status, or other characteristics. Sums up UKIP pretty accurately I think you'll agree my downvoting UKIP friends.[/p][/quote]You are intolerant and ignorant hypocrite but hey don't let that stop you for making a fool of yourself. cj07589
  • Score: 12

2:04pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Sigurd Hoberth says...

cj07589 wrote:
woodsedge wrote:
Mr. Farage is the leader of a party that wants Britain to join Papua New Guinea, Swaziland, Lesotho, and the USA as countries that do not support paid maternity leave. PUKIP Member Godfrey Bloom’s advice to women was “if you want to have a baby, you hand in your resignation and free up a job for another young lady.” Currently, it is PUKIP policy to repeal provisions of the Equalities Act 2010, which protects people from discrimination at work on the basis of gender, race, religion, or sexual orientation? Unsurprisingly, Mr. Farage was also a critic of the Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Act passed last year, and remains the only leader of a major party to oppose it. Recently, David Silvester, a UKIP councilor in Henley, wrote to a newspaper claiming that the country was beset by storms because of David Cameron acting “arrogantly against the gospel” in bringing forward equal marriage legislation. Mr. Farage resisted calls to expel him from PUKIP, and has already pledged not to expel members who call homosexuality ‘disgusting’. Definitely a fruit cake party full of those that take notice of empty vessels.
O dear Woodsedge you really do take issue with other people expressing different beliefs to yourself. I thought you'd practice a bit more of what you claim to preach and be more tolerant of other peoples views and wishes. What a shame eh? Clearly your uninformed since if you'd bothered to watch the topical politics of the day, then you would have heard Nigel Farage confirm that they do support Gay rights and Gay marriage specifically. More uniformed biased and predujuced vial is not something I'd expect from you me old bean.
I have had this troll stalking my every comment for over a year on gender issues and the feminist lies and proaganda, never once offering answers or debate, only the usual name calling, shaming language and false allegations even when confronted with source and facts, something he never offers.

We even had Mike Buchanan the leader of a newly formed political party J4MB come on here and slap it down in front of everyone when offering to argue and debate him on his ranting against facts offered against feminist propaganda.

He just ran away only to come back when Mike had gone to continue his name calling and playground tactics.

A true left mind.
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: Mr. Farage is the leader of a party that wants Britain to join Papua New Guinea, Swaziland, Lesotho, and the USA as countries that do not support paid maternity leave. PUKIP Member Godfrey Bloom’s advice to women was “if you want to have a baby, you hand in your resignation and free up a job for another young lady.” Currently, it is PUKIP policy to repeal provisions of the Equalities Act 2010, which protects people from discrimination at work on the basis of gender, race, religion, or sexual orientation? Unsurprisingly, Mr. Farage was also a critic of the Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Act passed last year, and remains the only leader of a major party to oppose it. Recently, David Silvester, a UKIP councilor in Henley, wrote to a newspaper claiming that the country was beset by storms because of David Cameron acting “arrogantly against the gospel” in bringing forward equal marriage legislation. Mr. Farage resisted calls to expel him from PUKIP, and has already pledged not to expel members who call homosexuality ‘disgusting’. Definitely a fruit cake party full of those that take notice of empty vessels.[/p][/quote]O dear Woodsedge you really do take issue with other people expressing different beliefs to yourself. I thought you'd practice a bit more of what you claim to preach and be more tolerant of other peoples views and wishes. What a shame eh? Clearly your uninformed since if you'd bothered to watch the topical politics of the day, then you would have heard Nigel Farage confirm that they do support Gay rights and Gay marriage specifically. More uniformed biased and predujuced vial is not something I'd expect from you me old bean.[/p][/quote]I have had this troll stalking my every comment for over a year on gender issues and the feminist lies and proaganda, never once offering answers or debate, only the usual name calling, shaming language and false allegations even when confronted with source and facts, something he never offers. We even had Mike Buchanan the leader of a newly formed political party J4MB come on here and slap it down in front of everyone when offering to argue and debate him on his ranting against facts offered against feminist propaganda. He just ran away only to come back when Mike had gone to continue his name calling and playground tactics. A true left mind. Sigurd Hoberth
  • Score: 11

2:06pm Fri 28 Mar 14

DucksQuack says...

CJ. I have read the manifesto. I have watched the snake oil salesman operating. UKIP are an outdated, backwards party who are having 5 minutes of limelight as a simple protest vote. They will slip back into the mire soon enough only for another to be used as the protest vote the next time around.

Make hay while the sun is shining my friend.
CJ. I have read the manifesto. I have watched the snake oil salesman operating. UKIP are an outdated, backwards party who are having 5 minutes of limelight as a simple protest vote. They will slip back into the mire soon enough only for another to be used as the protest vote the next time around. Make hay while the sun is shining my friend. DucksQuack
  • Score: -6

2:07pm Fri 28 Mar 14

DucksQuack says...

cj07589 wrote:
DucksQuack wrote:
Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
Get a grip wrote:
UKIP has an appleals to those who are not able to form a view for themselves.
Spoken like a true Bigot.
Bigot. Someone who, as a result of their prejudices, treats or views other people with fear, distrust, hatred, contempt, or intolerance on the basis of a person's opinion, ethnicity, race, religion, national origin, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, disability, socioeconomic status, or other characteristics.

Sums up UKIP pretty accurately I think you'll agree my downvoting UKIP friends.
You are intolerant and ignorant hypocrite but hey don't let that stop you for making a fool of yourself.
A UKIP supporter calling someone intolerant.

Priceless.
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DucksQuack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Get a grip[/bold] wrote: UKIP has an appleals to those who are not able to form a view for themselves.[/p][/quote]Spoken like a true Bigot.[/p][/quote]Bigot. Someone who, as a result of their prejudices, treats or views other people with fear, distrust, hatred, contempt, or intolerance on the basis of a person's opinion, ethnicity, race, religion, national origin, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, disability, socioeconomic status, or other characteristics. Sums up UKIP pretty accurately I think you'll agree my downvoting UKIP friends.[/p][/quote]You are intolerant and ignorant hypocrite but hey don't let that stop you for making a fool of yourself.[/p][/quote]A UKIP supporter calling someone intolerant. Priceless. DucksQuack
  • Score: -9

2:09pm Fri 28 Mar 14

woodsedge says...

cj07589 wrote:
DucksQuack wrote:
Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
Get a grip wrote:
UKIP has an appleals to those who are not able to form a view for themselves.
Spoken like a true Bigot.
Bigot. Someone who, as a result of their prejudices, treats or views other people with fear, distrust, hatred, contempt, or intolerance on the basis of a person's opinion, ethnicity, race, religion, national origin, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, disability, socioeconomic status, or other characteristics.

Sums up UKIP pretty accurately I think you'll agree my downvoting UKIP friends.
You are intolerant and ignorant hypocrite but hey don't let that stop you for making a fool of yourself.
What happened to, and I quote, being "more tolerant" old chap! Bit like the PUKIP manifesto, says one mean and really means another (my opinion)
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DucksQuack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Get a grip[/bold] wrote: UKIP has an appleals to those who are not able to form a view for themselves.[/p][/quote]Spoken like a true Bigot.[/p][/quote]Bigot. Someone who, as a result of their prejudices, treats or views other people with fear, distrust, hatred, contempt, or intolerance on the basis of a person's opinion, ethnicity, race, religion, national origin, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, disability, socioeconomic status, or other characteristics. Sums up UKIP pretty accurately I think you'll agree my downvoting UKIP friends.[/p][/quote]You are intolerant and ignorant hypocrite but hey don't let that stop you for making a fool of yourself.[/p][/quote]What happened to, and I quote, being "more tolerant" old chap! Bit like the PUKIP manifesto, says one mean and really means another (my opinion) woodsedge
  • Score: -10

2:11pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Sigurd Hoberth says...

DucksQuack wrote:
CJ. I have read the manifesto. I have watched the snake oil salesman operating. UKIP are an outdated, backwards party who are having 5 minutes of limelight as a simple protest vote. They will slip back into the mire soon enough only for another to be used as the protest vote the next time around.

Make hay while the sun is shining my friend.
Really, funny how their numbers are going up and up :-) They would have been much higher but the cowards of Labour and others have done their best to unfairly and backhandedly work with the our bias media to keep UKIP out of the mainstream.

However the pressure is getting to much now and some have started to realise the people want it and they are going to have to do it.

Once UKIP debates and material is given fair coverage in the mainstream ( as it should have been if so much corruption was not in our system) it will rise up massively. The rest know this and they are afraid of it. that's why so many dirty tricks.
[quote][p][bold]DucksQuack[/bold] wrote: CJ. I have read the manifesto. I have watched the snake oil salesman operating. UKIP are an outdated, backwards party who are having 5 minutes of limelight as a simple protest vote. They will slip back into the mire soon enough only for another to be used as the protest vote the next time around. Make hay while the sun is shining my friend.[/p][/quote]Really, funny how their numbers are going up and up :-) They would have been much higher but the cowards of Labour and others have done their best to unfairly and backhandedly work with the our bias media to keep UKIP out of the mainstream. However the pressure is getting to much now and some have started to realise the people want it and they are going to have to do it. Once UKIP debates and material is given fair coverage in the mainstream ( as it should have been if so much corruption was not in our system) it will rise up massively. The rest know this and they are afraid of it. that's why so many dirty tricks. Sigurd Hoberth
  • Score: 8

2:16pm Fri 28 Mar 14

February1948 says...

JamesYoung wrote:
So £1.33 per Dorset resident per year then. I have to say i thought it would be a lot higher. The NHS spends about £0.40p per person per year. Doesn't seem like anything to complain about. It would be easy to say that everybody should speak English, which they should, but i spent two years living in Norway and could only understand about 60% of what was said when i left (didn't bother with lessons, silly me). I'm not sold on the benefits of multiculturalism, as described by the translator in the article. Multiculturalism is leading to ghettos in many parts of the country, where communities are establishing their own laws and largely ignoring the rules of the land (Shariah law is operating as a parallel system in a growing number of cities, with predictable impacts on women's rights). Eastern Europeans, though, tend to just become part of the community.
I do agree, as usual, with JamesYoung but my concern is that the money could have been used elsewhere for the benefit of our indigenous folk. I had an issue in Spain some years ago for which I needed an interpreter and despite Spain being part of the EU, I still had to find, and pay, for my own interpretator, my Spanish being not quite up to standard despite my best efforts. Eastern Europeans tend to pick up English very quickly, others seem to think we owe them a living!
[quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: So £1.33 per Dorset resident per year then. I have to say i thought it would be a lot higher. The NHS spends about £0.40p per person per year. Doesn't seem like anything to complain about. It would be easy to say that everybody should speak English, which they should, but i spent two years living in Norway and could only understand about 60% of what was said when i left (didn't bother with lessons, silly me). I'm not sold on the benefits of multiculturalism, as described by the translator in the article. Multiculturalism is leading to ghettos in many parts of the country, where communities are establishing their own laws and largely ignoring the rules of the land (Shariah law is operating as a parallel system in a growing number of cities, with predictable impacts on women's rights). Eastern Europeans, though, tend to just become part of the community.[/p][/quote]I do agree, as usual, with JamesYoung but my concern is that the money could have been used elsewhere for the benefit of our indigenous folk. I had an issue in Spain some years ago for which I needed an interpreter and despite Spain being part of the EU, I still had to find, and pay, for my own interpretator, my Spanish being not quite up to standard despite my best efforts. Eastern Europeans tend to pick up English very quickly, others seem to think we owe them a living! February1948
  • Score: 8

2:17pm Fri 28 Mar 14

cj07589 says...

DucksQuack wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
DucksQuack wrote:
Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
Get a grip wrote:
UKIP has an appleals to those who are not able to form a view for themselves.
Spoken like a true Bigot.
Bigot. Someone who, as a result of their prejudices, treats or views other people with fear, distrust, hatred, contempt, or intolerance on the basis of a person's opinion, ethnicity, race, religion, national origin, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, disability, socioeconomic status, or other characteristics.

Sums up UKIP pretty accurately I think you'll agree my downvoting UKIP friends.
You are intolerant and ignorant hypocrite but hey don't let that stop you for making a fool of yourself.
A UKIP supporter calling someone intolerant.

Priceless.
Your excellent at making assumptions aren't you. I've never confirmed or said that I'm a UKIP supporter. Anything else you'd like to add or tell me that I meant to be??
[quote][p][bold]DucksQuack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DucksQuack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Get a grip[/bold] wrote: UKIP has an appleals to those who are not able to form a view for themselves.[/p][/quote]Spoken like a true Bigot.[/p][/quote]Bigot. Someone who, as a result of their prejudices, treats or views other people with fear, distrust, hatred, contempt, or intolerance on the basis of a person's opinion, ethnicity, race, religion, national origin, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, disability, socioeconomic status, or other characteristics. Sums up UKIP pretty accurately I think you'll agree my downvoting UKIP friends.[/p][/quote]You are intolerant and ignorant hypocrite but hey don't let that stop you for making a fool of yourself.[/p][/quote]A UKIP supporter calling someone intolerant. Priceless.[/p][/quote]Your excellent at making assumptions aren't you. I've never confirmed or said that I'm a UKIP supporter. Anything else you'd like to add or tell me that I meant to be?? cj07589
  • Score: 6

2:19pm Fri 28 Mar 14

DucksQuack says...

Sigurd, I look forward to your impending uprising and Mr Farrage's ascension. May he enter The Commons on a white unicorn and be crowned by Prince Charles.
Sigurd, I look forward to your impending uprising and Mr Farrage's ascension. May he enter The Commons on a white unicorn and be crowned by Prince Charles. DucksQuack
  • Score: -7

2:22pm Fri 28 Mar 14

DucksQuack says...

cj07589 wrote:
DucksQuack wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
DucksQuack wrote:
Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
Get a grip wrote:
UKIP has an appleals to those who are not able to form a view for themselves.
Spoken like a true Bigot.
Bigot. Someone who, as a result of their prejudices, treats or views other people with fear, distrust, hatred, contempt, or intolerance on the basis of a person's opinion, ethnicity, race, religion, national origin, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, disability, socioeconomic status, or other characteristics.

Sums up UKIP pretty accurately I think you'll agree my downvoting UKIP friends.
You are intolerant and ignorant hypocrite but hey don't let that stop you for making a fool of yourself.
A UKIP supporter calling someone intolerant.

Priceless.
Your excellent at making assumptions aren't you. I've never confirmed or said that I'm a UKIP supporter. Anything else you'd like to add or tell me that I meant to be??
CJ apologies for making assumptions. I'll just leave this quote from one of your previous comments here:

cj07589 wrote: "2017 is simply not good enough hence why UKIP is my choice for the foreseeable future. "
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DucksQuack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DucksQuack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Get a grip[/bold] wrote: UKIP has an appleals to those who are not able to form a view for themselves.[/p][/quote]Spoken like a true Bigot.[/p][/quote]Bigot. Someone who, as a result of their prejudices, treats or views other people with fear, distrust, hatred, contempt, or intolerance on the basis of a person's opinion, ethnicity, race, religion, national origin, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, disability, socioeconomic status, or other characteristics. Sums up UKIP pretty accurately I think you'll agree my downvoting UKIP friends.[/p][/quote]You are intolerant and ignorant hypocrite but hey don't let that stop you for making a fool of yourself.[/p][/quote]A UKIP supporter calling someone intolerant. Priceless.[/p][/quote]Your excellent at making assumptions aren't you. I've never confirmed or said that I'm a UKIP supporter. Anything else you'd like to add or tell me that I meant to be??[/p][/quote]CJ apologies for making assumptions. I'll just leave this quote from one of your previous comments here: cj07589 wrote: "2017 is simply not good enough hence why UKIP is my choice for the foreseeable future. " DucksQuack
  • Score: -6

2:22pm Fri 28 Mar 14

February1948 says...

February1948 wrote:
JamesYoung wrote: So £1.33 per Dorset resident per year then. I have to say i thought it would be a lot higher. The NHS spends about £0.40p per person per year. Doesn't seem like anything to complain about. It would be easy to say that everybody should speak English, which they should, but i spent two years living in Norway and could only understand about 60% of what was said when i left (didn't bother with lessons, silly me). I'm not sold on the benefits of multiculturalism, as described by the translator in the article. Multiculturalism is leading to ghettos in many parts of the country, where communities are establishing their own laws and largely ignoring the rules of the land (Shariah law is operating as a parallel system in a growing number of cities, with predictable impacts on women's rights). Eastern Europeans, though, tend to just become part of the community.
I do agree, as usual, with JamesYoung but my concern is that the money could have been used elsewhere for the benefit of our indigenous folk. I had an issue in Spain some years ago for which I needed an interpreter and despite Spain being part of the EU, I still had to find, and pay, for my own interpretator, my Spanish being not quite up to standard despite my best efforts. Eastern Europeans tend to pick up English very quickly, others seem to think we owe them a living!
Sorry about the spelling error - "interpreter" - before someone notices!
[quote][p][bold]February1948[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: So £1.33 per Dorset resident per year then. I have to say i thought it would be a lot higher. The NHS spends about £0.40p per person per year. Doesn't seem like anything to complain about. It would be easy to say that everybody should speak English, which they should, but i spent two years living in Norway and could only understand about 60% of what was said when i left (didn't bother with lessons, silly me). I'm not sold on the benefits of multiculturalism, as described by the translator in the article. Multiculturalism is leading to ghettos in many parts of the country, where communities are establishing their own laws and largely ignoring the rules of the land (Shariah law is operating as a parallel system in a growing number of cities, with predictable impacts on women's rights). Eastern Europeans, though, tend to just become part of the community.[/p][/quote]I do agree, as usual, with JamesYoung but my concern is that the money could have been used elsewhere for the benefit of our indigenous folk. I had an issue in Spain some years ago for which I needed an interpreter and despite Spain being part of the EU, I still had to find, and pay, for my own interpretator, my Spanish being not quite up to standard despite my best efforts. Eastern Europeans tend to pick up English very quickly, others seem to think we owe them a living![/p][/quote]Sorry about the spelling error - "interpreter" - before someone notices! February1948
  • Score: 1

2:25pm Fri 28 Mar 14

woodsedge says...

DucksQuack wrote:
Sigurd, I look forward to your impending uprising and Mr Farrage's ascension. May he enter The Commons on a white unicorn and be crowned by Prince Charles.
I know where I would like the horn of the unicorn to be! what a sight that would be, riding into the house with a pint in one hand fag in the other!
[quote][p][bold]DucksQuack[/bold] wrote: Sigurd, I look forward to your impending uprising and Mr Farrage's ascension. May he enter The Commons on a white unicorn and be crowned by Prince Charles.[/p][/quote]I know where I would like the horn of the unicorn to be! what a sight that would be, riding into the house with a pint in one hand fag in the other! woodsedge
  • Score: -9

2:31pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Sigurd Hoberth says...

Biggest question is, why is Cameron hiding or sending along his poodle Clegg, come debate with Farage on mainstream TV, NOW!

Coward.
Biggest question is, why is Cameron hiding or sending along his poodle Clegg, come debate with Farage on mainstream TV, NOW! Coward. Sigurd Hoberth
  • Score: 7

2:31pm Fri 28 Mar 14

cj07589 says...

DucksQuack wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
DucksQuack wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
DucksQuack wrote:
Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
Get a grip wrote:
UKIP has an appleals to those who are not able to form a view for themselves.
Spoken like a true Bigot.
Bigot. Someone who, as a result of their prejudices, treats or views other people with fear, distrust, hatred, contempt, or intolerance on the basis of a person's opinion, ethnicity, race, religion, national origin, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, disability, socioeconomic status, or other characteristics.

Sums up UKIP pretty accurately I think you'll agree my downvoting UKIP friends.
You are intolerant and ignorant hypocrite but hey don't let that stop you for making a fool of yourself.
A UKIP supporter calling someone intolerant.

Priceless.
Your excellent at making assumptions aren't you. I've never confirmed or said that I'm a UKIP supporter. Anything else you'd like to add or tell me that I meant to be??
CJ apologies for making assumptions. I'll just leave this quote from one of your previous comments here:

cj07589 wrote: "2017 is simply not good enough hence why UKIP is my choice for the foreseeable future. "
I was wondering if you're a fiction author as well?
[quote][p][bold]DucksQuack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DucksQuack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DucksQuack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Get a grip[/bold] wrote: UKIP has an appleals to those who are not able to form a view for themselves.[/p][/quote]Spoken like a true Bigot.[/p][/quote]Bigot. Someone who, as a result of their prejudices, treats or views other people with fear, distrust, hatred, contempt, or intolerance on the basis of a person's opinion, ethnicity, race, religion, national origin, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, disability, socioeconomic status, or other characteristics. Sums up UKIP pretty accurately I think you'll agree my downvoting UKIP friends.[/p][/quote]You are intolerant and ignorant hypocrite but hey don't let that stop you for making a fool of yourself.[/p][/quote]A UKIP supporter calling someone intolerant. Priceless.[/p][/quote]Your excellent at making assumptions aren't you. I've never confirmed or said that I'm a UKIP supporter. Anything else you'd like to add or tell me that I meant to be??[/p][/quote]CJ apologies for making assumptions. I'll just leave this quote from one of your previous comments here: cj07589 wrote: "2017 is simply not good enough hence why UKIP is my choice for the foreseeable future. "[/p][/quote]I was wondering if you're a fiction author as well? cj07589
  • Score: 4

2:33pm Fri 28 Mar 14

DucksQuack says...

cj07589 wrote:
DucksQuack wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
DucksQuack wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
DucksQuack wrote:
Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
Get a grip wrote:
UKIP has an appleals to those who are not able to form a view for themselves.
Spoken like a true Bigot.
Bigot. Someone who, as a result of their prejudices, treats or views other people with fear, distrust, hatred, contempt, or intolerance on the basis of a person's opinion, ethnicity, race, religion, national origin, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, disability, socioeconomic status, or other characteristics.

Sums up UKIP pretty accurately I think you'll agree my downvoting UKIP friends.
You are intolerant and ignorant hypocrite but hey don't let that stop you for making a fool of yourself.
A UKIP supporter calling someone intolerant.

Priceless.
Your excellent at making assumptions aren't you. I've never confirmed or said that I'm a UKIP supporter. Anything else you'd like to add or tell me that I meant to be??
CJ apologies for making assumptions. I'll just leave this quote from one of your previous comments here:

cj07589 wrote: "2017 is simply not good enough hence why UKIP is my choice for the foreseeable future. "
I was wondering if you're a fiction author as well?
By all means have the link:
http://www.stroudnew
sandjournal.co.uk/ne
ws/10529419.Richard_
Drax_MP_column__Firs
t_step_to_question_E
U/
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DucksQuack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DucksQuack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DucksQuack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Get a grip[/bold] wrote: UKIP has an appleals to those who are not able to form a view for themselves.[/p][/quote]Spoken like a true Bigot.[/p][/quote]Bigot. Someone who, as a result of their prejudices, treats or views other people with fear, distrust, hatred, contempt, or intolerance on the basis of a person's opinion, ethnicity, race, religion, national origin, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, disability, socioeconomic status, or other characteristics. Sums up UKIP pretty accurately I think you'll agree my downvoting UKIP friends.[/p][/quote]You are intolerant and ignorant hypocrite but hey don't let that stop you for making a fool of yourself.[/p][/quote]A UKIP supporter calling someone intolerant. Priceless.[/p][/quote]Your excellent at making assumptions aren't you. I've never confirmed or said that I'm a UKIP supporter. Anything else you'd like to add or tell me that I meant to be??[/p][/quote]CJ apologies for making assumptions. I'll just leave this quote from one of your previous comments here: cj07589 wrote: "2017 is simply not good enough hence why UKIP is my choice for the foreseeable future. "[/p][/quote]I was wondering if you're a fiction author as well?[/p][/quote]By all means have the link: http://www.stroudnew sandjournal.co.uk/ne ws/10529419.Richard_ Drax_MP_column__Firs t_step_to_question_E U/ DucksQuack
  • Score: -5

2:37pm Fri 28 Mar 14

cj07589 says...

Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
Biggest question is, why is Cameron hiding or sending along his poodle Clegg, come debate with Farage on mainstream TV, NOW!

Coward.
Of course Cameron the spineless wonder wouldn't take Farage on because he know very well that he would lose and it would be a huge PR boost for UKIP too. Just goes to show how insecure the establishment is, it's little wonder why none of three morally corrupt main stream parties won't allow the electorate to a referendum because they know their EU career gravy train ride will be over. Thankfully many folk realise this and the tide is turning.
[quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: Biggest question is, why is Cameron hiding or sending along his poodle Clegg, come debate with Farage on mainstream TV, NOW! Coward.[/p][/quote]Of course Cameron the spineless wonder wouldn't take Farage on because he know very well that he would lose and it would be a huge PR boost for UKIP too. Just goes to show how insecure the establishment is, it's little wonder why none of three morally corrupt main stream parties won't allow the electorate to a referendum because they know their EU career gravy train ride will be over. Thankfully many folk realise this and the tide is turning. cj07589
  • Score: 12

2:44pm Fri 28 Mar 14

cj07589 says...

DucksQuack wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
DucksQuack wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
DucksQuack wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
DucksQuack wrote:
Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
Get a grip wrote:
UKIP has an appleals to those who are not able to form a view for themselves.
Spoken like a true Bigot.
Bigot. Someone who, as a result of their prejudices, treats or views other people with fear, distrust, hatred, contempt, or intolerance on the basis of a person's opinion, ethnicity, race, religion, national origin, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, disability, socioeconomic status, or other characteristics.

Sums up UKIP pretty accurately I think you'll agree my downvoting UKIP friends.
You are intolerant and ignorant hypocrite but hey don't let that stop you for making a fool of yourself.
A UKIP supporter calling someone intolerant.

Priceless.
Your excellent at making assumptions aren't you. I've never confirmed or said that I'm a UKIP supporter. Anything else you'd like to add or tell me that I meant to be??
CJ apologies for making assumptions. I'll just leave this quote from one of your previous comments here:

cj07589 wrote: "2017 is simply not good enough hence why UKIP is my choice for the foreseeable future. "
I was wondering if you're a fiction author as well?
By all means have the link:
http://www.stroudnew

sandjournal.co.uk/ne

ws/10529419.Richard_

Drax_MP_column__Firs

t_step_to_question_E

U/
For clarity just because they would the 'preferred choice' out of the dismal options available, doesn't mean or make me a UKIP supporter. I would also add since I'm born in the Far East I don't exactly fit your narrow minded xenophobic 'stereotypical' UKIP supporter profile do I.
[quote][p][bold]DucksQuack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DucksQuack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DucksQuack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DucksQuack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Get a grip[/bold] wrote: UKIP has an appleals to those who are not able to form a view for themselves.[/p][/quote]Spoken like a true Bigot.[/p][/quote]Bigot. Someone who, as a result of their prejudices, treats or views other people with fear, distrust, hatred, contempt, or intolerance on the basis of a person's opinion, ethnicity, race, religion, national origin, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, disability, socioeconomic status, or other characteristics. Sums up UKIP pretty accurately I think you'll agree my downvoting UKIP friends.[/p][/quote]You are intolerant and ignorant hypocrite but hey don't let that stop you for making a fool of yourself.[/p][/quote]A UKIP supporter calling someone intolerant. Priceless.[/p][/quote]Your excellent at making assumptions aren't you. I've never confirmed or said that I'm a UKIP supporter. Anything else you'd like to add or tell me that I meant to be??[/p][/quote]CJ apologies for making assumptions. I'll just leave this quote from one of your previous comments here: cj07589 wrote: "2017 is simply not good enough hence why UKIP is my choice for the foreseeable future. "[/p][/quote]I was wondering if you're a fiction author as well?[/p][/quote]By all means have the link: http://www.stroudnew sandjournal.co.uk/ne ws/10529419.Richard_ Drax_MP_column__Firs t_step_to_question_E U/[/p][/quote]For clarity just because they would the 'preferred choice' out of the dismal options available, doesn't mean or make me a UKIP supporter. I would also add since I'm born in the Far East I don't exactly fit your narrow minded xenophobic 'stereotypical' UKIP supporter profile do I. cj07589
  • Score: 4

2:46pm Fri 28 Mar 14

DucksQuack says...

cj07589 wrote:
Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
Biggest question is, why is Cameron hiding or sending along his poodle Clegg, come debate with Farage on mainstream TV, NOW!

Coward.
Of course Cameron the spineless wonder wouldn't take Farage on because he know very well that he would lose and it would be a huge PR boost for UKIP too. Just goes to show how insecure the establishment is, it's little wonder why none of three morally corrupt main stream parties won't allow the electorate to a referendum because they know their EU career gravy train ride will be over. Thankfully many folk realise this and the tide is turning.
Now that on the other hand is a wonderful work of fiction.

Here are some demographics for the average UKIP voter from which readers may like to draw their own conclusions, far be it from me to do so for you.

UKIP draws its support disproportionately from older people with fewer qualifications.

Whereas 46% of all voters are over 50, and 38% under 40, the figures for UKIP are 71% and 15% respectively. And just 13% of UKIP supporters have university degrees.

UKIP voters are more likely than Tories to read one of right-of-centre tabloids, the Mail, Sun or Express.

Forced to choose, UKIP supporters would, by three-to-one, prefer a Tory-lead Cameron government to a Miliband-led Labour government. But one in four UKIP supporters decline to take sides.
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: Biggest question is, why is Cameron hiding or sending along his poodle Clegg, come debate with Farage on mainstream TV, NOW! Coward.[/p][/quote]Of course Cameron the spineless wonder wouldn't take Farage on because he know very well that he would lose and it would be a huge PR boost for UKIP too. Just goes to show how insecure the establishment is, it's little wonder why none of three morally corrupt main stream parties won't allow the electorate to a referendum because they know their EU career gravy train ride will be over. Thankfully many folk realise this and the tide is turning.[/p][/quote]Now that on the other hand is a wonderful work of fiction. Here are some demographics for the average UKIP voter from which readers may like to draw their own conclusions, far be it from me to do so for you. UKIP draws its support disproportionately from older people with fewer qualifications. Whereas 46% of all voters are over 50, and 38% under 40, the figures for UKIP are 71% and 15% respectively. And just 13% of UKIP supporters have university degrees. UKIP voters are more likely than Tories to read one of right-of-centre tabloids, the Mail, Sun or Express. Forced to choose, UKIP supporters would, by three-to-one, prefer a Tory-lead Cameron government to a Miliband-led Labour government. But one in four UKIP supporters decline to take sides. DucksQuack
  • Score: -3

2:48pm Fri 28 Mar 14

DucksQuack says...

cj07589 wrote:
DucksQuack wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
DucksQuack wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
DucksQuack wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
DucksQuack wrote:
Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
Get a grip wrote:
UKIP has an appleals to those who are not able to form a view for themselves.
Spoken like a true Bigot.
Bigot. Someone who, as a result of their prejudices, treats or views other people with fear, distrust, hatred, contempt, or intolerance on the basis of a person's opinion, ethnicity, race, religion, national origin, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, disability, socioeconomic status, or other characteristics.

Sums up UKIP pretty accurately I think you'll agree my downvoting UKIP friends.
You are intolerant and ignorant hypocrite but hey don't let that stop you for making a fool of yourself.
A UKIP supporter calling someone intolerant.

Priceless.
Your excellent at making assumptions aren't you. I've never confirmed or said that I'm a UKIP supporter. Anything else you'd like to add or tell me that I meant to be??
CJ apologies for making assumptions. I'll just leave this quote from one of your previous comments here:

cj07589 wrote: "2017 is simply not good enough hence why UKIP is my choice for the foreseeable future. "
I was wondering if you're a fiction author as well?
By all means have the link:
http://www.stroudnew


sandjournal.co.uk/ne


ws/10529419.Richard_


Drax_MP_column__Firs


t_step_to_question_E


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For clarity just because they would the 'preferred choice' out of the dismal options available, doesn't mean or make me a UKIP supporter. I would also add since I'm born in the Far East I don't exactly fit your narrow minded xenophobic 'stereotypical' UKIP supporter profile do I.
cj07589 says...
Good man finally some common sense from a Tory at long last. Will still be voting UKIP, Cameron is a liability and must resign.

Source: http://www.stroudnew
sandjournal.co.uk/ne
ws/10529419.Richard_
Drax_MP_column__Firs
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[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DucksQuack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DucksQuack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DucksQuack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DucksQuack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Get a grip[/bold] wrote: UKIP has an appleals to those who are not able to form a view for themselves.[/p][/quote]Spoken like a true Bigot.[/p][/quote]Bigot. Someone who, as a result of their prejudices, treats or views other people with fear, distrust, hatred, contempt, or intolerance on the basis of a person's opinion, ethnicity, race, religion, national origin, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, disability, socioeconomic status, or other characteristics. Sums up UKIP pretty accurately I think you'll agree my downvoting UKIP friends.[/p][/quote]You are intolerant and ignorant hypocrite but hey don't let that stop you for making a fool of yourself.[/p][/quote]A UKIP supporter calling someone intolerant. Priceless.[/p][/quote]Your excellent at making assumptions aren't you. I've never confirmed or said that I'm a UKIP supporter. Anything else you'd like to add or tell me that I meant to be??[/p][/quote]CJ apologies for making assumptions. I'll just leave this quote from one of your previous comments here: cj07589 wrote: "2017 is simply not good enough hence why UKIP is my choice for the foreseeable future. "[/p][/quote]I was wondering if you're a fiction author as well?[/p][/quote]By all means have the link: http://www.stroudnew sandjournal.co.uk/ne ws/10529419.Richard_ Drax_MP_column__Firs t_step_to_question_E U/[/p][/quote]For clarity just because they would the 'preferred choice' out of the dismal options available, doesn't mean or make me a UKIP supporter. I would also add since I'm born in the Far East I don't exactly fit your narrow minded xenophobic 'stereotypical' UKIP supporter profile do I.[/p][/quote]cj07589 says... Good man finally some common sense from a Tory at long last. Will still be voting UKIP, Cameron is a liability and must resign. Source: http://www.stroudnew sandjournal.co.uk/ne ws/10529419.Richard_ Drax_MP_column__Firs t_step_to_question_E U/ DucksQuack
  • Score: -3

2:49pm Fri 28 Mar 14

DucksQuack says...

CJ - There's no need to bend the truth my old bean. Why are you ashamed to admit your support for UKIP. Is there something to be ashamed of that I'm missing?
CJ - There's no need to bend the truth my old bean. Why are you ashamed to admit your support for UKIP. Is there something to be ashamed of that I'm missing? DucksQuack
  • Score: -3

2:51pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Sigurd Hoberth says...

cj07589 wrote:
DucksQuack wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
DucksQuack wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
DucksQuack wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
DucksQuack wrote:
Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
Get a grip wrote:
UKIP has an appleals to those who are not able to form a view for themselves.
Spoken like a true Bigot.
Bigot. Someone who, as a result of their prejudices, treats or views other people with fear, distrust, hatred, contempt, or intolerance on the basis of a person's opinion, ethnicity, race, religion, national origin, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, disability, socioeconomic status, or other characteristics.

Sums up UKIP pretty accurately I think you'll agree my downvoting UKIP friends.
You are intolerant and ignorant hypocrite but hey don't let that stop you for making a fool of yourself.
A UKIP supporter calling someone intolerant.

Priceless.
Your excellent at making assumptions aren't you. I've never confirmed or said that I'm a UKIP supporter. Anything else you'd like to add or tell me that I meant to be??
CJ apologies for making assumptions. I'll just leave this quote from one of your previous comments here:

cj07589 wrote: "2017 is simply not good enough hence why UKIP is my choice for the foreseeable future. "
I was wondering if you're a fiction author as well?
By all means have the link:
http://www.stroudnew


sandjournal.co.uk/ne


ws/10529419.Richard_


Drax_MP_column__Firs


t_step_to_question_E


U/
For clarity just because they would the 'preferred choice' out of the dismal options available, doesn't mean or make me a UKIP supporter. I would also add since I'm born in the Far East I don't exactly fit your narrow minded xenophobic 'stereotypical' UKIP supporter profile do I.
Oh Dear, that will confuse them.
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DucksQuack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DucksQuack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DucksQuack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DucksQuack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Get a grip[/bold] wrote: UKIP has an appleals to those who are not able to form a view for themselves.[/p][/quote]Spoken like a true Bigot.[/p][/quote]Bigot. Someone who, as a result of their prejudices, treats or views other people with fear, distrust, hatred, contempt, or intolerance on the basis of a person's opinion, ethnicity, race, religion, national origin, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, disability, socioeconomic status, or other characteristics. Sums up UKIP pretty accurately I think you'll agree my downvoting UKIP friends.[/p][/quote]You are intolerant and ignorant hypocrite but hey don't let that stop you for making a fool of yourself.[/p][/quote]A UKIP supporter calling someone intolerant. Priceless.[/p][/quote]Your excellent at making assumptions aren't you. I've never confirmed or said that I'm a UKIP supporter. Anything else you'd like to add or tell me that I meant to be??[/p][/quote]CJ apologies for making assumptions. I'll just leave this quote from one of your previous comments here: cj07589 wrote: "2017 is simply not good enough hence why UKIP is my choice for the foreseeable future. "[/p][/quote]I was wondering if you're a fiction author as well?[/p][/quote]By all means have the link: http://www.stroudnew sandjournal.co.uk/ne ws/10529419.Richard_ Drax_MP_column__Firs t_step_to_question_E U/[/p][/quote]For clarity just because they would the 'preferred choice' out of the dismal options available, doesn't mean or make me a UKIP supporter. I would also add since I'm born in the Far East I don't exactly fit your narrow minded xenophobic 'stereotypical' UKIP supporter profile do I.[/p][/quote]Oh Dear, that will confuse them. Sigurd Hoberth
  • Score: 8

3:02pm Fri 28 Mar 14

DucksQuack says...

"Oh Dear, that will confuse them."

Not especially when you consider the intolerance of the Far East to other races. Or in CJ's case Hong Kong as a British colony.
"Oh Dear, that will confuse them." Not especially when you consider the intolerance of the Far East to other races. Or in CJ's case Hong Kong as a British colony. DucksQuack
  • Score: -7

3:03pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Sigurd Hoberth says...

DucksQuack wrote:
"Oh Dear, that will confuse them."

Not especially when you consider the intolerance of the Far East to other races. Or in CJ's case Hong Kong as a British colony.
Oh so now everyone in the far east is a racist too? Your very damaged aren't you?
[quote][p][bold]DucksQuack[/bold] wrote: "Oh Dear, that will confuse them." Not especially when you consider the intolerance of the Far East to other races. Or in CJ's case Hong Kong as a British colony.[/p][/quote]Oh so now everyone in the far east is a racist too? Your very damaged aren't you? Sigurd Hoberth
  • Score: 8

3:07pm Fri 28 Mar 14

DucksQuack says...

Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
DucksQuack wrote:
"Oh Dear, that will confuse them."

Not especially when you consider the intolerance of the Far East to other races. Or in CJ's case Hong Kong as a British colony.
Oh so now everyone in the far east is a racist too? Your very damaged aren't you?
No Sigurd, it's a well documented fact that intolerance of other races is higher in the far east than other parts of the world.

My real problem here is that an Englishman who spent time working in an area which at the time was a British colony, in a part of the world which has less racial tolerance than most, would play the race card as a counter argument to criticism of UKIP.

It speaks volumes about the average UKIP supporter.

Good luck at the polls. Over and out.
[quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DucksQuack[/bold] wrote: "Oh Dear, that will confuse them." Not especially when you consider the intolerance of the Far East to other races. Or in CJ's case Hong Kong as a British colony.[/p][/quote]Oh so now everyone in the far east is a racist too? Your very damaged aren't you?[/p][/quote]No Sigurd, it's a well documented fact that intolerance of other races is higher in the far east than other parts of the world. My real problem here is that an Englishman who spent time working in an area which at the time was a British colony, in a part of the world which has less racial tolerance than most, would play the race card as a counter argument to criticism of UKIP. It speaks volumes about the average UKIP supporter. Good luck at the polls. Over and out. DucksQuack
  • Score: -9

3:09pm Fri 28 Mar 14

cj07589 says...

DucksQuack wrote:
CJ - There's no need to bend the truth my old bean. Why are you ashamed to admit your support for UKIP. Is there something to be ashamed of that I'm missing?
To be frank I havent made my mind up but who i decide to vote for or support is acedemic and has little bearing on the aforementioned. I am 110% sure that voting for any of the main three parties means more of the same and i fully expect to have to fork out more taxes to fufill their warped excessively liberal unaccountable vote buying policies and raft of anti-democratic dictorial EU legisation and red-tape. Not forgetting the EU has failed to get theri own accounts signed off by independant auditors ffor the last decade and longer.

At the end of the day I welcome and accept appropriate levels of immigration and certainly do not want to 'pull up the draw bridge' (cleggy boys favourite new saying)
All i really want (like many others) is the right to be offered a referendum on the European Union and thought this right was the requiste of a democratic country.
[quote][p][bold]DucksQuack[/bold] wrote: CJ - There's no need to bend the truth my old bean. Why are you ashamed to admit your support for UKIP. Is there something to be ashamed of that I'm missing?[/p][/quote]To be frank I havent made my mind up but who i decide to vote for or support is acedemic and has little bearing on the aforementioned. I am 110% sure that voting for any of the main three parties means more of the same and i fully expect to have to fork out more taxes to fufill their warped excessively liberal unaccountable vote buying policies and raft of anti-democratic dictorial EU legisation and red-tape. Not forgetting the EU has failed to get theri own accounts signed off by independant auditors ffor the last decade and longer. At the end of the day I welcome and accept appropriate levels of immigration and certainly do not want to 'pull up the draw bridge' (cleggy boys favourite new saying) All i really want (like many others) is the right to be offered a referendum on the European Union and thought this right was the requiste of a democratic country. cj07589
  • Score: 7

3:12pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Sigurd Hoberth says...

DucksQuack wrote:
Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
DucksQuack wrote:
"Oh Dear, that will confuse them."

Not especially when you consider the intolerance of the Far East to other races. Or in CJ's case Hong Kong as a British colony.
Oh so now everyone in the far east is a racist too? Your very damaged aren't you?
No Sigurd, it's a well documented fact that intolerance of other races is higher in the far east than other parts of the world.

My real problem here is that an Englishman who spent time working in an area which at the time was a British colony, in a part of the world which has less racial tolerance than most, would play the race card as a counter argument to criticism of UKIP.

It speaks volumes about the average UKIP supporter.

Good luck at the polls. Over and out.
So you smear UKIP , you smear the British, then call all far eastern people racist while running away.

You sound just like Woodsedge.."old bean"
[quote][p][bold]DucksQuack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DucksQuack[/bold] wrote: "Oh Dear, that will confuse them." Not especially when you consider the intolerance of the Far East to other races. Or in CJ's case Hong Kong as a British colony.[/p][/quote]Oh so now everyone in the far east is a racist too? Your very damaged aren't you?[/p][/quote]No Sigurd, it's a well documented fact that intolerance of other races is higher in the far east than other parts of the world. My real problem here is that an Englishman who spent time working in an area which at the time was a British colony, in a part of the world which has less racial tolerance than most, would play the race card as a counter argument to criticism of UKIP. It speaks volumes about the average UKIP supporter. Good luck at the polls. Over and out.[/p][/quote]So you smear UKIP , you smear the British, then call all far eastern people racist while running away. You sound just like Woodsedge.."old bean" Sigurd Hoberth
  • Score: 9

3:16pm Fri 28 Mar 14

woodsedge says...

cj07589 wrote:
DucksQuack wrote:
CJ - There's no need to bend the truth my old bean. Why are you ashamed to admit your support for UKIP. Is there something to be ashamed of that I'm missing?
To be frank I havent made my mind up but who i decide to vote for or support is acedemic and has little bearing on the aforementioned. I am 110% sure that voting for any of the main three parties means more of the same and i fully expect to have to fork out more taxes to fufill their warped excessively liberal unaccountable vote buying policies and raft of anti-democratic dictorial EU legisation and red-tape. Not forgetting the EU has failed to get theri own accounts signed off by independant auditors ffor the last decade and longer.

At the end of the day I welcome and accept appropriate levels of immigration and certainly do not want to 'pull up the draw bridge' (cleggy boys favourite new saying)
All i really want (like many others) is the right to be offered a referendum on the European Union and thought this right was the requiste of a democratic country.
So just for clarification, are you now working in the UK and paying taxes in this country or are you still and outsider looking in and not contributing to the treasury, just asking old pip.
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DucksQuack[/bold] wrote: CJ - There's no need to bend the truth my old bean. Why are you ashamed to admit your support for UKIP. Is there something to be ashamed of that I'm missing?[/p][/quote]To be frank I havent made my mind up but who i decide to vote for or support is acedemic and has little bearing on the aforementioned. I am 110% sure that voting for any of the main three parties means more of the same and i fully expect to have to fork out more taxes to fufill their warped excessively liberal unaccountable vote buying policies and raft of anti-democratic dictorial EU legisation and red-tape. Not forgetting the EU has failed to get theri own accounts signed off by independant auditors ffor the last decade and longer. At the end of the day I welcome and accept appropriate levels of immigration and certainly do not want to 'pull up the draw bridge' (cleggy boys favourite new saying) All i really want (like many others) is the right to be offered a referendum on the European Union and thought this right was the requiste of a democratic country.[/p][/quote]So just for clarification, are you now working in the UK and paying taxes in this country or are you still and outsider looking in and not contributing to the treasury, just asking old pip. woodsedge
  • Score: -7

3:42pm Fri 28 Mar 14

cj07589 says...

woodsedge wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
DucksQuack wrote:
CJ - There's no need to bend the truth my old bean. Why are you ashamed to admit your support for UKIP. Is there something to be ashamed of that I'm missing?
To be frank I havent made my mind up but who i decide to vote for or support is acedemic and has little bearing on the aforementioned. I am 110% sure that voting for any of the main three parties means more of the same and i fully expect to have to fork out more taxes to fufill their warped excessively liberal unaccountable vote buying policies and raft of anti-democratic dictorial EU legisation and red-tape. Not forgetting the EU has failed to get theri own accounts signed off by independant auditors ffor the last decade and longer.

At the end of the day I welcome and accept appropriate levels of immigration and certainly do not want to 'pull up the draw bridge' (cleggy boys favourite new saying)
All i really want (like many others) is the right to be offered a referendum on the European Union and thought this right was the requiste of a democratic country.
So just for clarification, are you now working in the UK and paying taxes in this country or are you still and outsider looking in and not contributing to the treasury, just asking old pip.
I'm in the same boat as everybody else i.e robbed by the HMRC on a monthly basis to keep the feckless in lifelong supply of fags and booze and enabling the greedy part time MPs to award themselves eye watering inflation busting payrises.
[quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DucksQuack[/bold] wrote: CJ - There's no need to bend the truth my old bean. Why are you ashamed to admit your support for UKIP. Is there something to be ashamed of that I'm missing?[/p][/quote]To be frank I havent made my mind up but who i decide to vote for or support is acedemic and has little bearing on the aforementioned. I am 110% sure that voting for any of the main three parties means more of the same and i fully expect to have to fork out more taxes to fufill their warped excessively liberal unaccountable vote buying policies and raft of anti-democratic dictorial EU legisation and red-tape. Not forgetting the EU has failed to get theri own accounts signed off by independant auditors ffor the last decade and longer. At the end of the day I welcome and accept appropriate levels of immigration and certainly do not want to 'pull up the draw bridge' (cleggy boys favourite new saying) All i really want (like many others) is the right to be offered a referendum on the European Union and thought this right was the requiste of a democratic country.[/p][/quote]So just for clarification, are you now working in the UK and paying taxes in this country or are you still and outsider looking in and not contributing to the treasury, just asking old pip.[/p][/quote]I'm in the same boat as everybody else i.e robbed by the HMRC on a monthly basis to keep the feckless in lifelong supply of fags and booze and enabling the greedy part time MPs to award themselves eye watering inflation busting payrises. cj07589
  • Score: 8

3:51pm Fri 28 Mar 14

cj07589 says...

Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
DucksQuack wrote:
"Oh Dear, that will confuse them."

Not especially when you consider the intolerance of the Far East to other races. Or in CJ's case Hong Kong as a British colony.
Oh so now everyone in the far east is a racist too? Your very damaged aren't you?
Haha great retort, I've been there with him previously on the 'Hong Kong' are all xenophobic racists claim.
Believe me I wouldn't waste your time, how on earth he came to that conclusion without living and knowing the culture and country is quite frankly beyond all reasonable comprehension. Which is why I'm convinced he'll say anything to substantiate the agenda, or put another way, haters are going to hate where logic and reason have no place in the discussion.
[quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DucksQuack[/bold] wrote: "Oh Dear, that will confuse them." Not especially when you consider the intolerance of the Far East to other races. Or in CJ's case Hong Kong as a British colony.[/p][/quote]Oh so now everyone in the far east is a racist too? Your very damaged aren't you?[/p][/quote]Haha great retort, I've been there with him previously on the 'Hong Kong' are all xenophobic racists claim. Believe me I wouldn't waste your time, how on earth he came to that conclusion without living and knowing the culture and country is quite frankly beyond all reasonable comprehension. Which is why I'm convinced he'll say anything to substantiate the agenda, or put another way, haters are going to hate where logic and reason have no place in the discussion. cj07589
  • Score: 9

4:05pm Fri 28 Mar 14

cj07589 says...

DucksQuack wrote:
Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
DucksQuack wrote: "Oh Dear, that will confuse them." Not especially when you consider the intolerance of the Far East to other races. Or in CJ's case Hong Kong as a British colony.
Oh so now everyone in the far east is a racist too? Your very damaged aren't you?
No Sigurd, it's a well documented fact that intolerance of other races is higher in the far east than other parts of the world. My real problem here is that an Englishman who spent time working in an area which at the time was a British colony, in a part of the world which has less racial tolerance than most, would play the race card as a counter argument to criticism of UKIP. It speaks volumes about the average UKIP supporter. Good luck at the polls. Over and out.
Honest to god, are you actually for real? I'm NOT english but am proudly British and married to a European so hardly fall int to DucksQuacks warped profiling assumptions.
The real litmus test of consenus is the undisputed fact that the readers consistantly vote his contributions down which says it all. Labelling and branding others who you do not agree with, hardly conveys tolerance, cultural acceptance and compassion does it? I am very much looking forward to the pending May local election results where i suspect that DucksQuacks et al will dissappear into the ether and we will see them for what they really are.
[quote][p][bold]DucksQuack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DucksQuack[/bold] wrote: "Oh Dear, that will confuse them." Not especially when you consider the intolerance of the Far East to other races. Or in CJ's case Hong Kong as a British colony.[/p][/quote]Oh so now everyone in the far east is a racist too? Your very damaged aren't you?[/p][/quote]No Sigurd, it's a well documented fact that intolerance of other races is higher in the far east than other parts of the world. My real problem here is that an Englishman who spent time working in an area which at the time was a British colony, in a part of the world which has less racial tolerance than most, would play the race card as a counter argument to criticism of UKIP. It speaks volumes about the average UKIP supporter. Good luck at the polls. Over and out.[/p][/quote]Honest to god, are you actually for real? I'm NOT english but am proudly British and married to a European so hardly fall int to DucksQuacks warped profiling assumptions. The real litmus test of consenus is the undisputed fact that the readers consistantly vote his contributions down which says it all. Labelling and branding others who you do not agree with, hardly conveys tolerance, cultural acceptance and compassion does it? I am very much looking forward to the pending May local election results where i suspect that DucksQuacks et al will dissappear into the ether and we will see them for what they really are. cj07589
  • Score: 8

4:05pm Fri 28 Mar 14

DucksQuack says...

cj07589 wrote:
Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
DucksQuack wrote:
"Oh Dear, that will confuse them."

Not especially when you consider the intolerance of the Far East to other races. Or in CJ's case Hong Kong as a British colony.
Oh so now everyone in the far east is a racist too? Your very damaged aren't you?
Haha great retort, I've been there with him previously on the 'Hong Kong' are all xenophobic racists claim.
Believe me I wouldn't waste your time, how on earth he came to that conclusion without living and knowing the culture and country is quite frankly beyond all reasonable comprehension. Which is why I'm convinced he'll say anything to substantiate the agenda, or put another way, haters are going to hate where logic and reason have no place in the discussion.
Hello chaps, back again to reflect on your interesting comments.
"I've been there with him previously on the 'Hong Kong' are all xenophobic racists claim". - I described UKIP members as xenophobic. We have not had this debate before.

"how on earth he came to that conclusion without living and knowing the culture and country is quite frankly beyond all reasonable comprehension" - My friend, who is making the assumptions now? And can you really not comprehend that anyone who hasn't had the fortune of being in the Far East such as you or I cannot come to a conclusion or form an opinion on a topic? Must we travel to the Ukraine to have an opinion on the actions of Mr Farrage's bosom buddy Mr Putin?

“Which is why I'm convinced he'll say anything to substantiate the agenda, or put another way, haters are going to hate where logic and reason have no place in the discussion." - This adds nothing to the debate but a precursory acknowledgement that you will be closed of mind to future comments.

But please, don't let fact, sense and logic get in the way of a good UKIP knees up. Pass the booze and fags boys.
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DucksQuack[/bold] wrote: "Oh Dear, that will confuse them." Not especially when you consider the intolerance of the Far East to other races. Or in CJ's case Hong Kong as a British colony.[/p][/quote]Oh so now everyone in the far east is a racist too? Your very damaged aren't you?[/p][/quote]Haha great retort, I've been there with him previously on the 'Hong Kong' are all xenophobic racists claim. Believe me I wouldn't waste your time, how on earth he came to that conclusion without living and knowing the culture and country is quite frankly beyond all reasonable comprehension. Which is why I'm convinced he'll say anything to substantiate the agenda, or put another way, haters are going to hate where logic and reason have no place in the discussion.[/p][/quote]Hello chaps, back again to reflect on your interesting comments. "I've been there with him previously on the 'Hong Kong' are all xenophobic racists claim". - I described UKIP members as xenophobic. We have not had this debate before. "how on earth he came to that conclusion without living and knowing the culture and country is quite frankly beyond all reasonable comprehension" - My friend, who is making the assumptions now? And can you really not comprehend that anyone who hasn't had the fortune of being in the Far East such as you or I cannot come to a conclusion or form an opinion on a topic? Must we travel to the Ukraine to have an opinion on the actions of Mr Farrage's bosom buddy Mr Putin? “Which is why I'm convinced he'll say anything to substantiate the agenda, or put another way, haters are going to hate where logic and reason have no place in the discussion." - This adds nothing to the debate but a precursory acknowledgement that you will be closed of mind to future comments. But please, don't let fact, sense and logic get in the way of a good UKIP knees up. Pass the booze and fags boys. DucksQuack
  • Score: -12

4:27pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Sigurd Hoberth says...

DucksQuack wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
DucksQuack wrote:
"Oh Dear, that will confuse them."

Not especially when you consider the intolerance of the Far East to other races. Or in CJ's case Hong Kong as a British colony.
Oh so now everyone in the far east is a racist too? Your very damaged aren't you?
Haha great retort, I've been there with him previously on the 'Hong Kong' are all xenophobic racists claim.
Believe me I wouldn't waste your time, how on earth he came to that conclusion without living and knowing the culture and country is quite frankly beyond all reasonable comprehension. Which is why I'm convinced he'll say anything to substantiate the agenda, or put another way, haters are going to hate where logic and reason have no place in the discussion.
Hello chaps, back again to reflect on your interesting comments.
"I've been there with him previously on the 'Hong Kong' are all xenophobic racists claim". - I described UKIP members as xenophobic. We have not had this debate before.

"how on earth he came to that conclusion without living and knowing the culture and country is quite frankly beyond all reasonable comprehension" - My friend, who is making the assumptions now? And can you really not comprehend that anyone who hasn't had the fortune of being in the Far East such as you or I cannot come to a conclusion or form an opinion on a topic? Must we travel to the Ukraine to have an opinion on the actions of Mr Farrage's bosom buddy Mr Putin?

“Which is why I'm convinced he'll say anything to substantiate the agenda, or put another way, haters are going to hate where logic and reason have no place in the discussion." - This adds nothing to the debate but a precursory acknowledgement that you will be closed of mind to future comments.

But please, don't let fact, sense and logic get in the way of a good UKIP knees up. Pass the booze and fags boys.
Yes you do need to spend time in a culture to know anything of it properly. That factual enough for you.
[quote][p][bold]DucksQuack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DucksQuack[/bold] wrote: "Oh Dear, that will confuse them." Not especially when you consider the intolerance of the Far East to other races. Or in CJ's case Hong Kong as a British colony.[/p][/quote]Oh so now everyone in the far east is a racist too? Your very damaged aren't you?[/p][/quote]Haha great retort, I've been there with him previously on the 'Hong Kong' are all xenophobic racists claim. Believe me I wouldn't waste your time, how on earth he came to that conclusion without living and knowing the culture and country is quite frankly beyond all reasonable comprehension. Which is why I'm convinced he'll say anything to substantiate the agenda, or put another way, haters are going to hate where logic and reason have no place in the discussion.[/p][/quote]Hello chaps, back again to reflect on your interesting comments. "I've been there with him previously on the 'Hong Kong' are all xenophobic racists claim". - I described UKIP members as xenophobic. We have not had this debate before. "how on earth he came to that conclusion without living and knowing the culture and country is quite frankly beyond all reasonable comprehension" - My friend, who is making the assumptions now? And can you really not comprehend that anyone who hasn't had the fortune of being in the Far East such as you or I cannot come to a conclusion or form an opinion on a topic? Must we travel to the Ukraine to have an opinion on the actions of Mr Farrage's bosom buddy Mr Putin? “Which is why I'm convinced he'll say anything to substantiate the agenda, or put another way, haters are going to hate where logic and reason have no place in the discussion." - This adds nothing to the debate but a precursory acknowledgement that you will be closed of mind to future comments. But please, don't let fact, sense and logic get in the way of a good UKIP knees up. Pass the booze and fags boys.[/p][/quote]Yes you do need to spend time in a culture to know anything of it properly. That factual enough for you. Sigurd Hoberth
  • Score: 9

4:34pm Fri 28 Mar 14

DucksQuack says...

"Yes you do need to spend time in a culture to know anything of it properly. That factual enough for you."

No, but it is closed minded enough to cement my opinion of UKIP supporters.

This unicorn won't buff itself Nigel. Chop chop.
"Yes you do need to spend time in a culture to know anything of it properly. That factual enough for you." No, but it is closed minded enough to cement my opinion of UKIP supporters. This unicorn won't buff itself Nigel. Chop chop. DucksQuack
  • Score: -10

4:39pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Sigurd Hoberth says...

DucksQuack wrote:
"Yes you do need to spend time in a culture to know anything of it properly. That factual enough for you."

No, but it is closed minded enough to cement my opinion of UKIP supporters.

This unicorn won't buff itself Nigel. Chop chop.
So thinking that spending time with other cultures means you get to know them, is being close minded is it?

Very odd person.
[quote][p][bold]DucksQuack[/bold] wrote: "Yes you do need to spend time in a culture to know anything of it properly. That factual enough for you." No, but it is closed minded enough to cement my opinion of UKIP supporters. This unicorn won't buff itself Nigel. Chop chop.[/p][/quote]So thinking that spending time with other cultures means you get to know them, is being close minded is it? Very odd person. Sigurd Hoberth
  • Score: 10

4:44pm Fri 28 Mar 14

DucksQuack says...

Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
DucksQuack wrote:
"Yes you do need to spend time in a culture to know anything of it properly. That factual enough for you."

No, but it is closed minded enough to cement my opinion of UKIP supporters.

This unicorn won't buff itself Nigel. Chop chop.
So thinking that spending time with other cultures means you get to know them, is being close minded is it?

Very odd person.
No Sigurd, thinking the original statement by CJ was:
"how on earth he came to that conclusion without living and knowing the culture and country is quite frankly beyond all reasonable comprehension"

It is closed minded to think that you can't come to a conclusion about something, someone or some place without experiencing it first hand. To come to a conclusion is to form an opinion. I would value the opinion of someone who has spent a year researching a topic as much as someone who has simply experienced it.

Immersion does not lead to absolute understanding in itself. Ideally immersion and investigation would lead to the most complete conclusion of a subject, but more often than not the opinion of a person who has studied a topic as opposed to someone who has simply been around the subject matter, is a more complete and rounded one.
[quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DucksQuack[/bold] wrote: "Yes you do need to spend time in a culture to know anything of it properly. That factual enough for you." No, but it is closed minded enough to cement my opinion of UKIP supporters. This unicorn won't buff itself Nigel. Chop chop.[/p][/quote]So thinking that spending time with other cultures means you get to know them, is being close minded is it? Very odd person.[/p][/quote]No Sigurd, thinking the original statement by CJ was: "how on earth he came to that conclusion without living and knowing the culture and country is quite frankly beyond all reasonable comprehension" It is closed minded to think that you can't come to a conclusion about something, someone or some place without experiencing it first hand. To come to a conclusion is to form an opinion. I would value the opinion of someone who has spent a year researching a topic as much as someone who has simply experienced it. Immersion does not lead to absolute understanding in itself. Ideally immersion and investigation would lead to the most complete conclusion of a subject, but more often than not the opinion of a person who has studied a topic as opposed to someone who has simply been around the subject matter, is a more complete and rounded one. DucksQuack
  • Score: -8

5:06pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Sigurd Hoberth says...

DucksQuack wrote:
Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
DucksQuack wrote:
"Yes you do need to spend time in a culture to know anything of it properly. That factual enough for you."

No, but it is closed minded enough to cement my opinion of UKIP supporters.

This unicorn won't buff itself Nigel. Chop chop.
So thinking that spending time with other cultures means you get to know them, is being close minded is it?

Very odd person.
No Sigurd, thinking the original statement by CJ was:
"how on earth he came to that conclusion without living and knowing the culture and country is quite frankly beyond all reasonable comprehension"

It is closed minded to think that you can't come to a conclusion about something, someone or some place without experiencing it first hand. To come to a conclusion is to form an opinion. I would value the opinion of someone who has spent a year researching a topic as much as someone who has simply experienced it.

Immersion does not lead to absolute understanding in itself. Ideally immersion and investigation would lead to the most complete conclusion of a subject, but more often than not the opinion of a person who has studied a topic as opposed to someone who has simply been around the subject matter, is a more complete and rounded one.
Well if I had to consider between someone who has read stuff online or in a book and someone who has actually been there and lived among the culture in question, frankly it is a no-brainer one would listen to the one who has been there. Still what's the point debating with a prat that thinks all Far Eastern people are racist.

Funny how a UKIP supporter thinks more of Asian peoples than those opposing them?
[quote][p][bold]DucksQuack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DucksQuack[/bold] wrote: "Yes you do need to spend time in a culture to know anything of it properly. That factual enough for you." No, but it is closed minded enough to cement my opinion of UKIP supporters. This unicorn won't buff itself Nigel. Chop chop.[/p][/quote]So thinking that spending time with other cultures means you get to know them, is being close minded is it? Very odd person.[/p][/quote]No Sigurd, thinking the original statement by CJ was: "how on earth he came to that conclusion without living and knowing the culture and country is quite frankly beyond all reasonable comprehension" It is closed minded to think that you can't come to a conclusion about something, someone or some place without experiencing it first hand. To come to a conclusion is to form an opinion. I would value the opinion of someone who has spent a year researching a topic as much as someone who has simply experienced it. Immersion does not lead to absolute understanding in itself. Ideally immersion and investigation would lead to the most complete conclusion of a subject, but more often than not the opinion of a person who has studied a topic as opposed to someone who has simply been around the subject matter, is a more complete and rounded one.[/p][/quote]Well if I had to consider between someone who has read stuff online or in a book and someone who has actually been there and lived among the culture in question, frankly it is a no-brainer one would listen to the one who has been there. Still what's the point debating with a prat that thinks all Far Eastern people are racist. Funny how a UKIP supporter thinks more of Asian peoples than those opposing them? Sigurd Hoberth
  • Score: 10

5:29pm Fri 28 Mar 14

oldbrock says...

JamesYoung wrote:
So £1.33 per Dorset resident per year then. I have to say i thought it would be a lot higher. The NHS spends about £0.40p per person per year. Doesn't seem like anything to complain about. It would be easy to say that everybody should speak English, which they should, but i spent two years living in Norway and could only understand about 60% of what was said when i left (didn't bother with lessons, silly me).
I'm not sold on the benefits of multiculturalism, as described by the translator in the article. Multiculturalism is leading to ghettos in many parts of the country, where communities are establishing their own laws and largely ignoring the rules of the land (Shariah law is operating as a parallel system in a growing number of cities, with predictable impacts on women's rights). Eastern Europeans, though, tend to just become part of the community.
the government are hellbent on these people being here as us "lazy" Brits will not work for peanuts doing 14hr days, what a joke! people are being demonised for collecting benefits but this debacle and the MPS stuffing their pockets with expenses etc just about shows up this corrupt society, screwing people with the BEDROOM TAX, did anyone notice these same people shouted down the MANSION TAX? "we are in this thing together"...........
...
[quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: So £1.33 per Dorset resident per year then. I have to say i thought it would be a lot higher. The NHS spends about £0.40p per person per year. Doesn't seem like anything to complain about. It would be easy to say that everybody should speak English, which they should, but i spent two years living in Norway and could only understand about 60% of what was said when i left (didn't bother with lessons, silly me). I'm not sold on the benefits of multiculturalism, as described by the translator in the article. Multiculturalism is leading to ghettos in many parts of the country, where communities are establishing their own laws and largely ignoring the rules of the land (Shariah law is operating as a parallel system in a growing number of cities, with predictable impacts on women's rights). Eastern Europeans, though, tend to just become part of the community.[/p][/quote]the government are hellbent on these people being here as us "lazy" Brits will not work for peanuts doing 14hr days, what a joke! people are being demonised for collecting benefits but this debacle and the MPS stuffing their pockets with expenses etc just about shows up this corrupt society, screwing people with the BEDROOM TAX, did anyone notice these same people shouted down the MANSION TAX? "we are in this thing together"........... ... oldbrock
  • Score: 4

5:34pm Fri 28 Mar 14

cj07589 says...

Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
DucksQuack wrote:
"Yes you do need to spend time in a culture to know anything of it properly. That factual enough for you."

No, but it is closed minded enough to cement my opinion of UKIP supporters.

This unicorn won't buff itself Nigel. Chop chop.
So thinking that spending time with other cultures means you get to know them, is being close minded is it?

Very odd person.
Yes very odd indeed, nor logic all very baffling....... Enough said I'm off to join Nigel down at the Pub :-) have a great weekend all!
[quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DucksQuack[/bold] wrote: "Yes you do need to spend time in a culture to know anything of it properly. That factual enough for you." No, but it is closed minded enough to cement my opinion of UKIP supporters. This unicorn won't buff itself Nigel. Chop chop.[/p][/quote]So thinking that spending time with other cultures means you get to know them, is being close minded is it? Very odd person.[/p][/quote]Yes very odd indeed, nor logic all very baffling....... Enough said I'm off to join Nigel down at the Pub :-) have a great weekend all! cj07589
  • Score: 6

6:52pm Fri 28 Mar 14

randomperson says...

Irrespective of whatever the 'Taxpayers' Alliance' had to say, please stop giving this ludicrous group exposure. If there's one thing they don't represent, it's the ordinary taxpayer
Irrespective of whatever the 'Taxpayers' Alliance' had to say, please stop giving this ludicrous group exposure. If there's one thing they don't represent, it's the ordinary taxpayer randomperson
  • Score: -4

6:58pm Fri 28 Mar 14

dogloverdorset says...

I despair sometimes , do we really want to live in a country that doesn't care about justice?

The ignorant among you presume all the translation was spent on offenders - are you so narrow minded you cant see that some of it will have been spent on helping victims through the police interview and court experiences ? For example the holidaymakers and students that keep our economy going

Even if people have offended, we need to deal out justice fairly - I wonder how much the Spanish, and Greek police forces spend on dealing with drunk, violent and abusive brits ? Or our truckers when they are abroad driving and accidentally break the law -We'd be the first to complain about rough justice if they were arrested and sentenced without even understanding what was going on...
Mind you - they at least try and learn English in their countries, unlike the majority of Brits
I despair sometimes , do we really want to live in a country that doesn't care about justice? The ignorant among you presume all the translation was spent on offenders - are you so narrow minded you cant see that some of it will have been spent on helping victims through the police interview and court experiences ? For example the holidaymakers and students that keep our economy going Even if people have offended, we need to deal out justice fairly - I wonder how much the Spanish, and Greek police forces spend on dealing with drunk, violent and abusive brits ? Or our truckers when they are abroad driving and accidentally break the law -We'd be the first to complain about rough justice if they were arrested and sentenced without even understanding what was going on... Mind you - they at least try and learn English in their countries, unlike the majority of Brits dogloverdorset
  • Score: 0

6:59pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Get a grip says...

Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
Appleals? (sic) I think he needs an Interpreter, or a boat ticket?
Sorry typo
[quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: Appleals? (sic) I think he needs an Interpreter, or a boat ticket?[/p][/quote]Sorry typo Get a grip
  • Score: -1

7:04pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Sigurd Hoberth says...

dogloverdorset wrote:
I despair sometimes , do we really want to live in a country that doesn't care about justice?

The ignorant among you presume all the translation was spent on offenders - are you so narrow minded you cant see that some of it will have been spent on helping victims through the police interview and court experiences ? For example the holidaymakers and students that keep our economy going

Even if people have offended, we need to deal out justice fairly - I wonder how much the Spanish, and Greek police forces spend on dealing with drunk, violent and abusive brits ? Or our truckers when they are abroad driving and accidentally break the law -We'd be the first to complain about rough justice if they were arrested and sentenced without even understanding what was going on...
Mind you - they at least try and learn English in their countries, unlike the majority of Brits
Well while you accuse others of ignorance and also confessing you clearly haven't researched the facts before slagging others off, If you check the official crime figures for 05-09 that shows an extra 1400-1500 extra crimes in Dorset due to migrants ( polish worst). Nobody minds interpreters being used for those on holiday but that should be covered by their own insurance, not the British tax payer.
[quote][p][bold]dogloverdorset[/bold] wrote: I despair sometimes , do we really want to live in a country that doesn't care about justice? The ignorant among you presume all the translation was spent on offenders - are you so narrow minded you cant see that some of it will have been spent on helping victims through the police interview and court experiences ? For example the holidaymakers and students that keep our economy going Even if people have offended, we need to deal out justice fairly - I wonder how much the Spanish, and Greek police forces spend on dealing with drunk, violent and abusive brits ? Or our truckers when they are abroad driving and accidentally break the law -We'd be the first to complain about rough justice if they were arrested and sentenced without even understanding what was going on... Mind you - they at least try and learn English in their countries, unlike the majority of Brits[/p][/quote]Well while you accuse others of ignorance and also confessing you clearly haven't researched the facts before slagging others off, If you check the official crime figures for 05-09 that shows an extra 1400-1500 extra crimes in Dorset due to migrants ( polish worst). Nobody minds interpreters being used for those on holiday but that should be covered by their own insurance, not the British tax payer. Sigurd Hoberth
  • Score: 6

7:09pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Sigurd Hoberth says...

It will be interesting to hear how many other countries supply what for free compared to Britain.
It will be interesting to hear how many other countries supply what for free compared to Britain. Sigurd Hoberth
  • Score: 4

7:09pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Get a grip says...

Did anyone else hear Lord Digby Jones speaking this afternoon in Weymouth?

Some of you might have benifited from hearing from a man with no political axa to grind.

Very interesting and one if the best afternoons I have spent in a long time.


CJ I am not interested in you opinion
Did anyone else hear Lord Digby Jones speaking this afternoon in Weymouth? Some of you might have benifited from hearing from a man with no political axa to grind. Very interesting and one if the best afternoons I have spent in a long time. CJ I am not interested in you opinion Get a grip
  • Score: 0

7:22pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Sigurd Hoberth says...

Get a grip wrote:
Did anyone else hear Lord Digby Jones speaking this afternoon in Weymouth?

Some of you might have benifited from hearing from a man with no political axa to grind.

Very interesting and one if the best afternoons I have spent in a long time.


CJ I am not interested in you opinion
Well it seems he thinks UK should quite the EU unless massive reforms are made and that we should have a referendum pre-2015, leaving the EU could be a massive boost for jobs .... and that people with children that are dim should have their benefits cut....

other than that, no I didn't hear it. :-)
[quote][p][bold]Get a grip[/bold] wrote: Did anyone else hear Lord Digby Jones speaking this afternoon in Weymouth? Some of you might have benifited from hearing from a man with no political axa to grind. Very interesting and one if the best afternoons I have spent in a long time. CJ I am not interested in you opinion[/p][/quote]Well it seems he thinks UK should quite the EU unless massive reforms are made and that we should have a referendum pre-2015, leaving the EU could be a massive boost for jobs .... and that people with children that are dim should have their benefits cut.... other than that, no I didn't hear it. :-) Sigurd Hoberth
  • Score: 3

7:22pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Get a grip says...

I see I have attracted a negative vote already I bit odd but possiably this came from someone who is not open to listening to the views of others.
I see I have attracted a negative vote already I bit odd but possiably this came from someone who is not open to listening to the views of others. Get a grip
  • Score: -3

7:26pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Sigurd Hoberth says...

Get a grip wrote:
I see I have attracted a negative vote already I bit odd but possiably this came from someone who is not open to listening to the views of others.
Have you? Not from me, sounds like he makes some sense, what did he say then?
[quote][p][bold]Get a grip[/bold] wrote: I see I have attracted a negative vote already I bit odd but possiably this came from someone who is not open to listening to the views of others.[/p][/quote]Have you? Not from me, sounds like he makes some sense, what did he say then? Sigurd Hoberth
  • Score: 2

7:44pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Get a grip says...

Well he spoke for possibly an hour but it did not seam that long.

He was talking about the benifits of business taking on apprentices but expanded to give us a glimpse of his life and his views on business in Britain
Well he spoke for possibly an hour but it did not seam that long. He was talking about the benifits of business taking on apprentices but expanded to give us a glimpse of his life and his views on business in Britain Get a grip
  • Score: 1

8:27pm Fri 28 Mar 14

ksmain says...

DucksQuack wrote:
Xenophobia is alive and well in Dorset I see. On the subject of the article, justice should be accessible to all, I don't see a problem with the cost, and as others have pointed out it's a typical Echo "shock" tactic.

As for the wider issue being discussed in the comments section. I welcome and embrace a multicultural Dorset and Britain. We are a nation of immigrants and long may this tradition continue to shape us and make us the diverse and successful country that we are. .
Yes - i agree, but as long as those that come here contribute to the country they are in and not to just take from the Social Welfare system that they have not contributed to.
[quote][p][bold]DucksQuack[/bold] wrote: Xenophobia is alive and well in Dorset I see. On the subject of the article, justice should be accessible to all, I don't see a problem with the cost, and as others have pointed out it's a typical Echo "shock" tactic. As for the wider issue being discussed in the comments section. I welcome and embrace a multicultural Dorset and Britain. We are a nation of immigrants and long may this tradition continue to shape us and make us the diverse and successful country that we are. .[/p][/quote]Yes - i agree, but as long as those that come here contribute to the country they are in and not to just take from the Social Welfare system that they have not contributed to. ksmain
  • Score: 3

8:48pm Fri 28 Mar 14

ksmain says...

Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
Get a grip wrote:
Did anyone else hear Lord Digby Jones speaking this afternoon in Weymouth?

Some of you might have benifited from hearing from a man with no political axa to grind.

Very interesting and one if the best afternoons I have spent in a long time.


CJ I am not interested in you opinion
Well it seems he thinks UK should quite the EU unless massive reforms are made and that we should have a referendum pre-2015, leaving the EU could be a massive boost for jobs .... and that people with children that are dim should have their benefits cut....

other than that, no I didn't hear it. :-)
Leaving the EU would seem like a good idea.

However - where does most of the wealth generation come from in this country? The tertiary (service) sector - and principally the financial sector. And what would happen if we moved from the EU? The financial sector headed by London would then move t somewhere like Germany, and hence the removal of this country's principal form of income.

I do not like a lot of what the EU stands for - but it would be a far from easy road for this country if we left one of the principal trading blocs in the world.
[quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Get a grip[/bold] wrote: Did anyone else hear Lord Digby Jones speaking this afternoon in Weymouth? Some of you might have benifited from hearing from a man with no political axa to grind. Very interesting and one if the best afternoons I have spent in a long time. CJ I am not interested in you opinion[/p][/quote]Well it seems he thinks UK should quite the EU unless massive reforms are made and that we should have a referendum pre-2015, leaving the EU could be a massive boost for jobs .... and that people with children that are dim should have their benefits cut.... other than that, no I didn't hear it. :-)[/p][/quote]Leaving the EU would seem like a good idea. However - where does most of the wealth generation come from in this country? The tertiary (service) sector - and principally the financial sector. And what would happen if we moved from the EU? The financial sector headed by London would then move t somewhere like Germany, and hence the removal of this country's principal form of income. I do not like a lot of what the EU stands for - but it would be a far from easy road for this country if we left one of the principal trading blocs in the world. ksmain
  • Score: 2

3:37am Sat 29 Mar 14

Genghis says...

Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
It will be interesting to hear how many other countries supply what for free compared to Britain.
http://ec.europa.eu/
justice/criminal/cri
minal-rights/right-t
ranslation/index_en.
htm
[quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: It will be interesting to hear how many other countries supply what for free compared to Britain.[/p][/quote]http://ec.europa.eu/ justice/criminal/cri minal-rights/right-t ranslation/index_en. htm Genghis
  • Score: -1

6:52am Sat 29 Mar 14

cosmick says...

livid99 wrote:
cosmick wrote:
Well wake up then. Thats your money they are spending, in the case of the police it must be because these people were arrested or spoken to in connection with law breaking. As for the NHS i got a letter from the NHS one side ENGLISH, other sideWAIT FOR IT!
ALBANIAN
ARABIC
BENGALI
CHINESE
FARSI
GUJARATI
HINDI
POLISH
PORTUGESE
PUNJABI
SOMALI
TURKISH
URDU.
Your money used to give this service, if when they came to our country they where only allowed in if they could speak ENGLISH what could we do with the money saved?
The money spent has not included the cost of the courts which really rockets up.
As for UKIP i went to the AGM last night and it seems we are doing very well at the moment with the biggest rise in members in the last 4 weeks.
So remember if you want to retain the BRITISH way of life and withdraw from the E/U VOTE UKIP!
OK let the debate begin.
Yawn.....Presumably you are one of those people who go on holiday to Spain, or Greece or Turkey and can automatically speak the language of these countries fluently ? If not, why not ? And if you cannot, presumably you rely on translations while you are there ?
And what is this BRITISH way of life ? How do you define it ???
I watched Farage on the TV debate, and while I am certainly no fan of Nick Clegg, every time Farage opened his huge grinning mouth I just cringed and felt the urge to chuck my dinner at him. If he thinks he represents the average Brit - of which I am one - then he is wrong. If he ever wins the election, I will become an immigrant in another country.
Dont presume i go anywhere on holiday. You can presume what you like that is not the same as knowing the facts.
As for the British way of life, you say you are the average BRIT, if you are the average BRIT maybe you could share with us your lifestyle. Is it watching t v soaps all day? Is it hard working ? Are you on dole? Are you a home owner do you rent? Do you have a family, are you in a same sex relationship? Tell me who / what is an average BRIT.
Then i will tell you about the real BRITISH way of life.
As for leaving this country when labour was going to win the G/E a lot of well know (stars) said they would leave the country , sadly they never did i expect your the same !
[quote][p][bold]livid99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: Well wake up then. Thats your money they are spending, in the case of the police it must be because these people were arrested or spoken to in connection with law breaking. As for the NHS i got a letter from the NHS one side ENGLISH, other sideWAIT FOR IT! ALBANIAN ARABIC BENGALI CHINESE FARSI GUJARATI HINDI POLISH PORTUGESE PUNJABI SOMALI TURKISH URDU. Your money used to give this service, if when they came to our country they where only allowed in if they could speak ENGLISH what could we do with the money saved? The money spent has not included the cost of the courts which really rockets up. As for UKIP i went to the AGM last night and it seems we are doing very well at the moment with the biggest rise in members in the last 4 weeks. So remember if you want to retain the BRITISH way of life and withdraw from the E/U VOTE UKIP! OK let the debate begin.[/p][/quote]Yawn.....Presumably you are one of those people who go on holiday to Spain, or Greece or Turkey and can automatically speak the language of these countries fluently ? If not, why not ? And if you cannot, presumably you rely on translations while you are there ? And what is this BRITISH way of life ? How do you define it ??? I watched Farage on the TV debate, and while I am certainly no fan of Nick Clegg, every time Farage opened his huge grinning mouth I just cringed and felt the urge to chuck my dinner at him. If he thinks he represents the average Brit - of which I am one - then he is wrong. If he ever wins the election, I will become an immigrant in another country.[/p][/quote]Dont presume i go anywhere on holiday. You can presume what you like that is not the same as knowing the facts. As for the British way of life, you say you are the average BRIT, if you are the average BRIT maybe you could share with us your lifestyle. Is it watching t v soaps all day? Is it hard working ? Are you on dole? Are you a home owner do you rent? Do you have a family, are you in a same sex relationship? Tell me who / what is an average BRIT. Then i will tell you about the real BRITISH way of life. As for leaving this country when labour was going to win the G/E a lot of well know (stars) said they would leave the country , sadly they never did i expect your the same ! cosmick
  • Score: 3

7:34am Sat 29 Mar 14

PHonnor says...

Some of the bigoted xenophobic comments on here make me feel ashamed to admit I'm from weymouth, no wonder so many younger generations escape and leave you all in the squalor you created.
Some of the bigoted xenophobic comments on here make me feel ashamed to admit I'm from weymouth, no wonder so many younger generations escape and leave you all in the squalor you created. PHonnor
  • Score: -3

8:53am Sat 29 Mar 14

woodsedge says...

cosmick wrote:
livid99 wrote:
cosmick wrote:
Well wake up then. Thats your money they are spending, in the case of the police it must be because these people were arrested or spoken to in connection with law breaking. As for the NHS i got a letter from the NHS one side ENGLISH, other sideWAIT FOR IT!
ALBANIAN
ARABIC
BENGALI
CHINESE
FARSI
GUJARATI
HINDI
POLISH
PORTUGESE
PUNJABI
SOMALI
TURKISH
URDU.
Your money used to give this service, if when they came to our country they where only allowed in if they could speak ENGLISH what could we do with the money saved?
The money spent has not included the cost of the courts which really rockets up.
As for UKIP i went to the AGM last night and it seems we are doing very well at the moment with the biggest rise in members in the last 4 weeks.
So remember if you want to retain the BRITISH way of life and withdraw from the E/U VOTE UKIP!
OK let the debate begin.
Yawn.....Presumably you are one of those people who go on holiday to Spain, or Greece or Turkey and can automatically speak the language of these countries fluently ? If not, why not ? And if you cannot, presumably you rely on translations while you are there ?
And what is this BRITISH way of life ? How do you define it ???
I watched Farage on the TV debate, and while I am certainly no fan of Nick Clegg, every time Farage opened his huge grinning mouth I just cringed and felt the urge to chuck my dinner at him. If he thinks he represents the average Brit - of which I am one - then he is wrong. If he ever wins the election, I will become an immigrant in another country.
Dont presume i go anywhere on holiday. You can presume what you like that is not the same as knowing the facts.
As for the British way of life, you say you are the average BRIT, if you are the average BRIT maybe you could share with us your lifestyle. Is it watching t v soaps all day? Is it hard working ? Are you on dole? Are you a home owner do you rent? Do you have a family, are you in a same sex relationship? Tell me who / what is an average BRIT.
Then i will tell you about the real BRITISH way of life.
As for leaving this country when labour was going to win the G/E a lot of well know (stars) said they would leave the country , sadly they never did i expect your the same !
Don't mind a good old rant but you being a PUKIP supporter, If I was you I would try and avoid using the word "fact". Luckily an "average Brit" will have their protest vote at the EU election but will have common sense and get back in touch with reality at the general election. I would assume at the general election the "average Brit" will not bother voting for any of usual suspects including PUKIP.
[quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]livid99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: Well wake up then. Thats your money they are spending, in the case of the police it must be because these people were arrested or spoken to in connection with law breaking. As for the NHS i got a letter from the NHS one side ENGLISH, other sideWAIT FOR IT! ALBANIAN ARABIC BENGALI CHINESE FARSI GUJARATI HINDI POLISH PORTUGESE PUNJABI SOMALI TURKISH URDU. Your money used to give this service, if when they came to our country they where only allowed in if they could speak ENGLISH what could we do with the money saved? The money spent has not included the cost of the courts which really rockets up. As for UKIP i went to the AGM last night and it seems we are doing very well at the moment with the biggest rise in members in the last 4 weeks. So remember if you want to retain the BRITISH way of life and withdraw from the E/U VOTE UKIP! OK let the debate begin.[/p][/quote]Yawn.....Presumably you are one of those people who go on holiday to Spain, or Greece or Turkey and can automatically speak the language of these countries fluently ? If not, why not ? And if you cannot, presumably you rely on translations while you are there ? And what is this BRITISH way of life ? How do you define it ??? I watched Farage on the TV debate, and while I am certainly no fan of Nick Clegg, every time Farage opened his huge grinning mouth I just cringed and felt the urge to chuck my dinner at him. If he thinks he represents the average Brit - of which I am one - then he is wrong. If he ever wins the election, I will become an immigrant in another country.[/p][/quote]Dont presume i go anywhere on holiday. You can presume what you like that is not the same as knowing the facts. As for the British way of life, you say you are the average BRIT, if you are the average BRIT maybe you could share with us your lifestyle. Is it watching t v soaps all day? Is it hard working ? Are you on dole? Are you a home owner do you rent? Do you have a family, are you in a same sex relationship? Tell me who / what is an average BRIT. Then i will tell you about the real BRITISH way of life. As for leaving this country when labour was going to win the G/E a lot of well know (stars) said they would leave the country , sadly they never did i expect your the same ![/p][/quote]Don't mind a good old rant but you being a PUKIP supporter, If I was you I would try and avoid using the word "fact". Luckily an "average Brit" will have their protest vote at the EU election but will have common sense and get back in touch with reality at the general election. I would assume at the general election the "average Brit" will not bother voting for any of usual suspects including PUKIP. woodsedge
  • Score: -6

9:38am Sat 29 Mar 14

Sigurd Hoberth says...

Genghis wrote:
Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
It will be interesting to hear how many other countries supply what for free compared to Britain.
http://ec.europa.eu/

justice/criminal/cri

minal-rights/right-t

ranslation/index_en.

htm
NO I meant through personal experience, we all know what the text might say, but we also know Britain is one of the few countries dumb enough to obey all the rules when so many other countries do not. We already had one commenter on here speaking of his experiences in Spain and how he had to pay for his. Always better to hear of peoples actual experiences.
[quote][p][bold]Genghis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: It will be interesting to hear how many other countries supply what for free compared to Britain.[/p][/quote]http://ec.europa.eu/ justice/criminal/cri minal-rights/right-t ranslation/index_en. htm[/p][/quote]NO I meant through personal experience, we all know what the text might say, but we also know Britain is one of the few countries dumb enough to obey all the rules when so many other countries do not. We already had one commenter on here speaking of his experiences in Spain and how he had to pay for his. Always better to hear of peoples actual experiences. Sigurd Hoberth
  • Score: 4

10:59am Sat 29 Mar 14

JamesYoung says...

woodsedge wrote:
cosmick wrote:
livid99 wrote:
cosmick wrote:
Well wake up then. Thats your money they are spending, in the case of the police it must be because these people were arrested or spoken to in connection with law breaking. As for the NHS i got a letter from the NHS one side ENGLISH, other sideWAIT FOR IT!
ALBANIAN
ARABIC
BENGALI
CHINESE
FARSI
GUJARATI
HINDI
POLISH
PORTUGESE
PUNJABI
SOMALI
TURKISH
URDU.
Your money used to give this service, if when they came to our country they where only allowed in if they could speak ENGLISH what could we do with the money saved?
The money spent has not included the cost of the courts which really rockets up.
As for UKIP i went to the AGM last night and it seems we are doing very well at the moment with the biggest rise in members in the last 4 weeks.
So remember if you want to retain the BRITISH way of life and withdraw from the E/U VOTE UKIP!
OK let the debate begin.
Yawn.....Presumably you are one of those people who go on holiday to Spain, or Greece or Turkey and can automatically speak the language of these countries fluently ? If not, why not ? And if you cannot, presumably you rely on translations while you are there ?
And what is this BRITISH way of life ? How do you define it ???
I watched Farage on the TV debate, and while I am certainly no fan of Nick Clegg, every time Farage opened his huge grinning mouth I just cringed and felt the urge to chuck my dinner at him. If he thinks he represents the average Brit - of which I am one - then he is wrong. If he ever wins the election, I will become an immigrant in another country.
Dont presume i go anywhere on holiday. You can presume what you like that is not the same as knowing the facts.
As for the British way of life, you say you are the average BRIT, if you are the average BRIT maybe you could share with us your lifestyle. Is it watching t v soaps all day? Is it hard working ? Are you on dole? Are you a home owner do you rent? Do you have a family, are you in a same sex relationship? Tell me who / what is an average BRIT.
Then i will tell you about the real BRITISH way of life.
As for leaving this country when labour was going to win the G/E a lot of well know (stars) said they would leave the country , sadly they never did i expect your the same !
Don't mind a good old rant but you being a PUKIP supporter, If I was you I would try and avoid using the word "fact". Luckily an "average Brit" will have their protest vote at the EU election but will have common sense and get back in touch with reality at the general election. I would assume at the general election the "average Brit" will not bother voting for any of usual suspects including PUKIP.
I think i am actually going to vote Green. I don't believe in man made global warming, but i've spent some time reading their manifesto in the last few weeks and there is a lot in there i do agree with. Worth a read if you have the time.
[quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]livid99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: Well wake up then. Thats your money they are spending, in the case of the police it must be because these people were arrested or spoken to in connection with law breaking. As for the NHS i got a letter from the NHS one side ENGLISH, other sideWAIT FOR IT! ALBANIAN ARABIC BENGALI CHINESE FARSI GUJARATI HINDI POLISH PORTUGESE PUNJABI SOMALI TURKISH URDU. Your money used to give this service, if when they came to our country they where only allowed in if they could speak ENGLISH what could we do with the money saved? The money spent has not included the cost of the courts which really rockets up. As for UKIP i went to the AGM last night and it seems we are doing very well at the moment with the biggest rise in members in the last 4 weeks. So remember if you want to retain the BRITISH way of life and withdraw from the E/U VOTE UKIP! OK let the debate begin.[/p][/quote]Yawn.....Presumably you are one of those people who go on holiday to Spain, or Greece or Turkey and can automatically speak the language of these countries fluently ? If not, why not ? And if you cannot, presumably you rely on translations while you are there ? And what is this BRITISH way of life ? How do you define it ??? I watched Farage on the TV debate, and while I am certainly no fan of Nick Clegg, every time Farage opened his huge grinning mouth I just cringed and felt the urge to chuck my dinner at him. If he thinks he represents the average Brit - of which I am one - then he is wrong. If he ever wins the election, I will become an immigrant in another country.[/p][/quote]Dont presume i go anywhere on holiday. You can presume what you like that is not the same as knowing the facts. As for the British way of life, you say you are the average BRIT, if you are the average BRIT maybe you could share with us your lifestyle. Is it watching t v soaps all day? Is it hard working ? Are you on dole? Are you a home owner do you rent? Do you have a family, are you in a same sex relationship? Tell me who / what is an average BRIT. Then i will tell you about the real BRITISH way of life. As for leaving this country when labour was going to win the G/E a lot of well know (stars) said they would leave the country , sadly they never did i expect your the same ![/p][/quote]Don't mind a good old rant but you being a PUKIP supporter, If I was you I would try and avoid using the word "fact". Luckily an "average Brit" will have their protest vote at the EU election but will have common sense and get back in touch with reality at the general election. I would assume at the general election the "average Brit" will not bother voting for any of usual suspects including PUKIP.[/p][/quote]I think i am actually going to vote Green. I don't believe in man made global warming, but i've spent some time reading their manifesto in the last few weeks and there is a lot in there i do agree with. Worth a read if you have the time. JamesYoung
  • Score: 0

12:10pm Sat 29 Mar 14

Genghis says...

Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
Genghis wrote:
Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
It will be interesting to hear how many other countries supply what for free compared to Britain.
http://ec.europa.eu/


justice/criminal/cri


minal-rights/right-t


ranslation/index_en.


htm
NO I meant through personal experience, we all know what the text might say, but we also know Britain is one of the few countries dumb enough to obey all the rules when so many other countries do not. We already had one commenter on here speaking of his experiences in Spain and how he had to pay for his. Always better to hear of peoples actual experiences.
I agree that people's personal experiences are very useful. However, the person who mentioned that in their comment didn't give any detail, other than that it happened some years ago. So was that before 2010 or after? If it was after, then that person should be able to get their money refunded, as the Spanish authorities did not heed the new directive.

I don't believe our country is the only one dumb enough to obey the rules. What we're really dumb about is not taking appropriate action to make sure that the ones that don't are made to abide by them. So I really hope, if the incident related by February1948 occurred after 2010, that he does seek to get that fee refunded.
[quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Genghis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: It will be interesting to hear how many other countries supply what for free compared to Britain.[/p][/quote]http://ec.europa.eu/ justice/criminal/cri minal-rights/right-t ranslation/index_en. htm[/p][/quote]NO I meant through personal experience, we all know what the text might say, but we also know Britain is one of the few countries dumb enough to obey all the rules when so many other countries do not. We already had one commenter on here speaking of his experiences in Spain and how he had to pay for his. Always better to hear of peoples actual experiences.[/p][/quote]I agree that people's personal experiences are very useful. However, the person who mentioned that in their comment didn't give any detail, other than that it happened some years ago. So was that before 2010 or after? If it was after, then that person should be able to get their money refunded, as the Spanish authorities did not heed the new directive. I don't believe our country is the only one dumb enough to obey the rules. What we're really dumb about is not taking appropriate action to make sure that the ones that don't are made to abide by them. So I really hope, if the incident related by February1948 occurred after 2010, that he does seek to get that fee refunded. Genghis
  • Score: 1

12:45pm Sat 29 Mar 14

Sigurd Hoberth says...

Genghis wrote:
Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
Genghis wrote:
Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
It will be interesting to hear how many other countries supply what for free compared to Britain.
http://ec.europa.eu/



justice/criminal/cri



minal-rights/right-t



ranslation/index_en.



htm
NO I meant through personal experience, we all know what the text might say, but we also know Britain is one of the few countries dumb enough to obey all the rules when so many other countries do not. We already had one commenter on here speaking of his experiences in Spain and how he had to pay for his. Always better to hear of peoples actual experiences.
I agree that people's personal experiences are very useful. However, the person who mentioned that in their comment didn't give any detail, other than that it happened some years ago. So was that before 2010 or after? If it was after, then that person should be able to get their money refunded, as the Spanish authorities did not heed the new directive.

I don't believe our country is the only one dumb enough to obey the rules. What we're really dumb about is not taking appropriate action to make sure that the ones that don't are made to abide by them. So I really hope, if the incident related by February1948 occurred after 2010, that he does seek to get that fee refunded.
I agree, some detail would have been helpful. When I refer to this country being dumb with EU rules, i mean to all the EU rules in general compared to other EU countries. I have spent a fair few years in other EU countries and they think the British are dumb too, in that regard...especially the French :-)
[quote][p][bold]Genghis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Genghis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: It will be interesting to hear how many other countries supply what for free compared to Britain.[/p][/quote]http://ec.europa.eu/ justice/criminal/cri minal-rights/right-t ranslation/index_en. htm[/p][/quote]NO I meant through personal experience, we all know what the text might say, but we also know Britain is one of the few countries dumb enough to obey all the rules when so many other countries do not. We already had one commenter on here speaking of his experiences in Spain and how he had to pay for his. Always better to hear of peoples actual experiences.[/p][/quote]I agree that people's personal experiences are very useful. However, the person who mentioned that in their comment didn't give any detail, other than that it happened some years ago. So was that before 2010 or after? If it was after, then that person should be able to get their money refunded, as the Spanish authorities did not heed the new directive. I don't believe our country is the only one dumb enough to obey the rules. What we're really dumb about is not taking appropriate action to make sure that the ones that don't are made to abide by them. So I really hope, if the incident related by February1948 occurred after 2010, that he does seek to get that fee refunded.[/p][/quote]I agree, some detail would have been helpful. When I refer to this country being dumb with EU rules, i mean to all the EU rules in general compared to other EU countries. I have spent a fair few years in other EU countries and they think the British are dumb too, in that regard...especially the French :-) Sigurd Hoberth
  • Score: 5

2:45pm Sat 29 Mar 14

dogloverdorset says...

Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
dogloverdorset wrote:
I despair sometimes , do we really want to live in a country that doesn't care about justice?

The ignorant among you presume all the translation was spent on offenders - are you so narrow minded you cant see that some of it will have been spent on helping victims through the police interview and court experiences ? For example the holidaymakers and students that keep our economy going

Even if people have offended, we need to deal out justice fairly - I wonder how much the Spanish, and Greek police forces spend on dealing with drunk, violent and abusive brits ? Or our truckers when they are abroad driving and accidentally break the law -We'd be the first to complain about rough justice if they were arrested and sentenced without even understanding what was going on...
Mind you - they at least try and learn English in their countries, unlike the majority of Brits
Well while you accuse others of ignorance and also confessing you clearly haven't researched the facts before slagging others off, If you check the official crime figures for 05-09 that shows an extra 1400-1500 extra crimes in Dorset due to migrants ( polish worst). Nobody minds interpreters being used for those on holiday but that should be covered by their own insurance, not the British tax payer.
and where per chance did you get those misleading figures?
And I didn't actually slag anyone off, unless you count yourself among the ignorant
Do you insure yourself for translators when you go on holiday, in case you become a victim of crime?
Is the increase in crime 'because of migrants' due to them committing crime? Did you count the crimes against them?
[quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dogloverdorset[/bold] wrote: I despair sometimes , do we really want to live in a country that doesn't care about justice? The ignorant among you presume all the translation was spent on offenders - are you so narrow minded you cant see that some of it will have been spent on helping victims through the police interview and court experiences ? For example the holidaymakers and students that keep our economy going Even if people have offended, we need to deal out justice fairly - I wonder how much the Spanish, and Greek police forces spend on dealing with drunk, violent and abusive brits ? Or our truckers when they are abroad driving and accidentally break the law -We'd be the first to complain about rough justice if they were arrested and sentenced without even understanding what was going on... Mind you - they at least try and learn English in their countries, unlike the majority of Brits[/p][/quote]Well while you accuse others of ignorance and also confessing you clearly haven't researched the facts before slagging others off, If you check the official crime figures for 05-09 that shows an extra 1400-1500 extra crimes in Dorset due to migrants ( polish worst). Nobody minds interpreters being used for those on holiday but that should be covered by their own insurance, not the British tax payer.[/p][/quote]and where per chance did you get those misleading figures? And I didn't actually slag anyone off, unless you count yourself among the ignorant Do you insure yourself for translators when you go on holiday, in case you become a victim of crime? Is the increase in crime 'because of migrants' due to them committing crime? Did you count the crimes against them? dogloverdorset
  • Score: -3

4:38pm Sat 29 Mar 14

woodsedge says...

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  • Score: -3

8:37pm Sat 29 Mar 14

UKIPpers says...

Surely, it is seldom that a political leader can stand before the same band of followers that hailed his first appearance twenty one years before, and repeat the same program. Seldom can a man proclaim the same doctrines and put them into practice for twenty-one years without at any time having had to relinquish a single part of his original program. In 1993 many of you must have asked yourselves: "Dear me, a new party, another new party! Why do we want a new party? Don't we have parties enough?"

If the UKIP movement had been or had intended to be nothing but a continuation of the old parties or an addition to existing parties, such an objection would indeed have been justified. There were certainly more than enough parties in those days. But, after all, UKIP was something quite different from all the existing and incipient parties of the time. It was a movement that declared for the first time and from the very outset that it had no intention of representing the definite, clearly outlined interests of individual classes. This was a movement which was definitely centred upon the concept of the British people. It was not a class party, sworn to uphold the right or the left, attempting to divide the nation, but one which from its very beginning had no thought for anything but the British people as a whole.

Thus began a heroic struggle, opposed at its inception by nearly all. Nevertheless, the essential objects of the movement embraced the decisive element. It’s clear and unambiguous aim did not allow the movement to become the tool of definite and limited individual interests, but raised it above all special obligations to the particular obligation of serving Britain in its entirety, of safeguarding its interests regardless of momentary dissensions or confused thoughts.

Political mistakes of the most serious kind have undoubtedly been made, not onlyduring the Coalition years but many years before. It had been apparent that a storm was brewing. Certain MEP’s are mobilising the whole of Europe against Britain.

Although favourable opportunities of opposing the Eurocrats and, moreover, of opposing them in good time had presented themselves, the Coalition government has proven to be a political failure. At the beginning of the term, too, the political leadership in both internal and external affairs was as clumsy as possible and, from the psychological point of view, utterly wrong.

You have not forgotten the political conditions of those days. You still remember the placards of the two great conflicting ideas-the bourgeoisie on the one side and the proletariat on the other; on the one side Conservative, on the other Labour. Fundamentally both movements are already sterile.

The EU confronted us. Our whole political duty of protesting against this subjection,the most ignominious of all times, and of calling upon the nation to take up against it. From the point of view of foreign policy, the dictate deprived the British nation of all its rights and rendered it defenceless. The foreign situation, moreover, also demanded a clear decision. The shameful dictate was intended to enslave the British nation forever. No limits had been set to this slavery. From the very outset they said: "We won't state a definite sum for you to pay, because we ourselves do not know what you are able to pay. From time to time we will fix fresh sums; but you must pledge yourselves immediately to pay everything we determine." And that is what the British governments of did.

The conception of the UKIP movement, whose fundamentals can be expressed in a single sentence, opposed this.

It is in your very town that you began your struggle, a political struggle against The EU. You know this, you old members of UKIP. I probably studied the EU more than any other man. The EU could not be abolished by humility, by submission. It could only be abolished by reliance upon ourselves, by the strength of the British nation.

When today I look before the nation and look at UKIP, I look at a band of men, real men who stand for something. On the other hand when I regard the cabinets, I can only say: "Quite incapable of being put in charge even of one of the smallest responsibilities”. In the world of politics selection is the outcome of struggle. It will be as a result of this struggle against opposition, that we will gradually acquire leaders with whose aid we can today achieve anything.

When, on the other hand, I look at the rest of the world, I am obliged to say: "They were simply asleep while this miracle was taking place. Even today they refuse to grasp it. They do not realise what we are, nor do they realize what they themselves are.

They go on like a figure of "Justice"-with blindfolded eyes. They reject what does not suit them.

I could go on. That is enough for now.
Surely, it is seldom that a political leader can stand before the same band of followers that hailed his first appearance twenty one years before, and repeat the same program. Seldom can a man proclaim the same doctrines and put them into practice for twenty-one years without at any time having had to relinquish a single part of his original program. In 1993 many of you must have asked yourselves: "Dear me, a new party, another new party! Why do we want a new party? Don't we have parties enough?" If the UKIP movement had been or had intended to be nothing but a continuation of the old parties or an addition to existing parties, such an objection would indeed have been justified. There were certainly more than enough parties in those days. But, after all, UKIP was something quite different from all the existing and incipient parties of the time. It was a movement that declared for the first time and from the very outset that it had no intention of representing the definite, clearly outlined interests of individual classes. This was a movement which was definitely centred upon the concept of the British people. It was not a class party, sworn to uphold the right or the left, attempting to divide the nation, but one which from its very beginning had no thought for anything but the British people as a whole. Thus began a heroic struggle, opposed at its inception by nearly all. Nevertheless, the essential objects of the movement embraced the decisive element. It’s clear and unambiguous aim did not allow the movement to become the tool of definite and limited individual interests, but raised it above all special obligations to the particular obligation of serving Britain in its entirety, of safeguarding its interests regardless of momentary dissensions or confused thoughts. Political mistakes of the most serious kind have undoubtedly been made, not onlyduring the Coalition years but many years before. It had been apparent that a storm was brewing. Certain MEP’s are mobilising the whole of Europe against Britain. Although favourable opportunities of opposing the Eurocrats and, moreover, of opposing them in good time had presented themselves, the Coalition government has proven to be a political failure. At the beginning of the term, too, the political leadership in both internal and external affairs was as clumsy as possible and, from the psychological point of view, utterly wrong. You have not forgotten the political conditions of those days. You still remember the placards of the two great conflicting ideas-the bourgeoisie on the one side and the proletariat on the other; on the one side Conservative, on the other Labour. Fundamentally both movements are already sterile. The EU confronted us. Our whole political duty of protesting against this subjection,the most ignominious of all times, and of calling upon the nation to take up against it. From the point of view of foreign policy, the dictate deprived the British nation of all its rights and rendered it defenceless. The foreign situation, moreover, also demanded a clear decision. The shameful dictate was intended to enslave the British nation forever. No limits had been set to this slavery. From the very outset they said: "We won't state a definite sum for you to pay, because we ourselves do not know what you are able to pay. From time to time we will fix fresh sums; but you must pledge yourselves immediately to pay everything we determine." And that is what the British governments of did. The conception of the UKIP movement, whose fundamentals can be expressed in a single sentence, opposed this. It is in your very town that you began your struggle, a political struggle against The EU. You know this, you old members of UKIP. I probably studied the EU more than any other man. The EU could not be abolished by humility, by submission. It could only be abolished by reliance upon ourselves, by the strength of the British nation. When today I look before the nation and look at UKIP, I look at a band of men, real men who stand for something. On the other hand when I regard the cabinets, I can only say: "Quite incapable of being put in charge even of one of the smallest responsibilities”. In the world of politics selection is the outcome of struggle. It will be as a result of this struggle against opposition, that we will gradually acquire leaders with whose aid we can today achieve anything. When, on the other hand, I look at the rest of the world, I am obliged to say: "They were simply asleep while this miracle was taking place. Even today they refuse to grasp it. They do not realise what we are, nor do they realize what they themselves are. They go on like a figure of "Justice"-with blindfolded eyes. They reject what does not suit them. I could go on. That is enough for now. UKIPpers
  • Score: 5

10:33pm Sat 29 Mar 14

cosmick says...

UKIPpers wrote:
Surely, it is seldom that a political leader can stand before the same band of followers that hailed his first appearance twenty one years before, and repeat the same program. Seldom can a man proclaim the same doctrines and put them into practice for twenty-one years without at any time having had to relinquish a single part of his original program. In 1993 many of you must have asked yourselves: "Dear me, a new party, another new party! Why do we want a new party? Don't we have parties enough?"

If the UKIP movement had been or had intended to be nothing but a continuation of the old parties or an addition to existing parties, such an objection would indeed have been justified. There were certainly more than enough parties in those days. But, after all, UKIP was something quite different from all the existing and incipient parties of the time. It was a movement that declared for the first time and from the very outset that it had no intention of representing the definite, clearly outlined interests of individual classes. This was a movement which was definitely centred upon the concept of the British people. It was not a class party, sworn to uphold the right or the left, attempting to divide the nation, but one which from its very beginning had no thought for anything but the British people as a whole.

Thus began a heroic struggle, opposed at its inception by nearly all. Nevertheless, the essential objects of the movement embraced the decisive element. It’s clear and unambiguous aim did not allow the movement to become the tool of definite and limited individual interests, but raised it above all special obligations to the particular obligation of serving Britain in its entirety, of safeguarding its interests regardless of momentary dissensions or confused thoughts.

Political mistakes of the most serious kind have undoubtedly been made, not onlyduring the Coalition years but many years before. It had been apparent that a storm was brewing. Certain MEP’s are mobilising the whole of Europe against Britain.

Although favourable opportunities of opposing the Eurocrats and, moreover, of opposing them in good time had presented themselves, the Coalition government has proven to be a political failure. At the beginning of the term, too, the political leadership in both internal and external affairs was as clumsy as possible and, from the psychological point of view, utterly wrong.

You have not forgotten the political conditions of those days. You still remember the placards of the two great conflicting ideas-the bourgeoisie on the one side and the proletariat on the other; on the one side Conservative, on the other Labour. Fundamentally both movements are already sterile.

The EU confronted us. Our whole political duty of protesting against this subjection,the most ignominious of all times, and of calling upon the nation to take up against it. From the point of view of foreign policy, the dictate deprived the British nation of all its rights and rendered it defenceless. The foreign situation, moreover, also demanded a clear decision. The shameful dictate was intended to enslave the British nation forever. No limits had been set to this slavery. From the very outset they said: "We won't state a definite sum for you to pay, because we ourselves do not know what you are able to pay. From time to time we will fix fresh sums; but you must pledge yourselves immediately to pay everything we determine." And that is what the British governments of did.

The conception of the UKIP movement, whose fundamentals can be expressed in a single sentence, opposed this.

It is in your very town that you began your struggle, a political struggle against The EU. You know this, you old members of UKIP. I probably studied the EU more than any other man. The EU could not be abolished by humility, by submission. It could only be abolished by reliance upon ourselves, by the strength of the British nation.

When today I look before the nation and look at UKIP, I look at a band of men, real men who stand for something. On the other hand when I regard the cabinets, I can only say: "Quite incapable of being put in charge even of one of the smallest responsibilities”. In the world of politics selection is the outcome of struggle. It will be as a result of this struggle against opposition, that we will gradually acquire leaders with whose aid we can today achieve anything.

When, on the other hand, I look at the rest of the world, I am obliged to say: "They were simply asleep while this miracle was taking place. Even today they refuse to grasp it. They do not realise what we are, nor do they realize what they themselves are.

They go on like a figure of "Justice"-with blindfolded eyes. They reject what does not suit them.

I could go on. That is enough for now.
Very good.
I was just driving in my van (about a quater of an hour ago) when a man phoned in saying about sad things, He said he read in the TIMES that a man had died aged 98 who fought in the war , was a pilot and was decorated as a hero. He was on the same day driving at sussex, he had reason to stop which was by a memoral this was to a british pilot who was killed at that spot when his plane crashed AGED 21. One man dies at 98 the other at 21 both served this country and now the r soles in goverment want to give it all away.
Thats why i agree with the above and why i will be voting UKIP,
What a state this country is in now!
[quote][p][bold]UKIPpers[/bold] wrote: Surely, it is seldom that a political leader can stand before the same band of followers that hailed his first appearance twenty one years before, and repeat the same program. Seldom can a man proclaim the same doctrines and put them into practice for twenty-one years without at any time having had to relinquish a single part of his original program. In 1993 many of you must have asked yourselves: "Dear me, a new party, another new party! Why do we want a new party? Don't we have parties enough?" If the UKIP movement had been or had intended to be nothing but a continuation of the old parties or an addition to existing parties, such an objection would indeed have been justified. There were certainly more than enough parties in those days. But, after all, UKIP was something quite different from all the existing and incipient parties of the time. It was a movement that declared for the first time and from the very outset that it had no intention of representing the definite, clearly outlined interests of individual classes. This was a movement which was definitely centred upon the concept of the British people. It was not a class party, sworn to uphold the right or the left, attempting to divide the nation, but one which from its very beginning had no thought for anything but the British people as a whole. Thus began a heroic struggle, opposed at its inception by nearly all. Nevertheless, the essential objects of the movement embraced the decisive element. It’s clear and unambiguous aim did not allow the movement to become the tool of definite and limited individual interests, but raised it above all special obligations to the particular obligation of serving Britain in its entirety, of safeguarding its interests regardless of momentary dissensions or confused thoughts. Political mistakes of the most serious kind have undoubtedly been made, not onlyduring the Coalition years but many years before. It had been apparent that a storm was brewing. Certain MEP’s are mobilising the whole of Europe against Britain. Although favourable opportunities of opposing the Eurocrats and, moreover, of opposing them in good time had presented themselves, the Coalition government has proven to be a political failure. At the beginning of the term, too, the political leadership in both internal and external affairs was as clumsy as possible and, from the psychological point of view, utterly wrong. You have not forgotten the political conditions of those days. You still remember the placards of the two great conflicting ideas-the bourgeoisie on the one side and the proletariat on the other; on the one side Conservative, on the other Labour. Fundamentally both movements are already sterile. The EU confronted us. Our whole political duty of protesting against this subjection,the most ignominious of all times, and of calling upon the nation to take up against it. From the point of view of foreign policy, the dictate deprived the British nation of all its rights and rendered it defenceless. The foreign situation, moreover, also demanded a clear decision. The shameful dictate was intended to enslave the British nation forever. No limits had been set to this slavery. From the very outset they said: "We won't state a definite sum for you to pay, because we ourselves do not know what you are able to pay. From time to time we will fix fresh sums; but you must pledge yourselves immediately to pay everything we determine." And that is what the British governments of did. The conception of the UKIP movement, whose fundamentals can be expressed in a single sentence, opposed this. It is in your very town that you began your struggle, a political struggle against The EU. You know this, you old members of UKIP. I probably studied the EU more than any other man. The EU could not be abolished by humility, by submission. It could only be abolished by reliance upon ourselves, by the strength of the British nation. When today I look before the nation and look at UKIP, I look at a band of men, real men who stand for something. On the other hand when I regard the cabinets, I can only say: "Quite incapable of being put in charge even of one of the smallest responsibilities”. In the world of politics selection is the outcome of struggle. It will be as a result of this struggle against opposition, that we will gradually acquire leaders with whose aid we can today achieve anything. When, on the other hand, I look at the rest of the world, I am obliged to say: "They were simply asleep while this miracle was taking place. Even today they refuse to grasp it. They do not realise what we are, nor do they realize what they themselves are. They go on like a figure of "Justice"-with blindfolded eyes. They reject what does not suit them. I could go on. That is enough for now.[/p][/quote]Very good. I was just driving in my van (about a quater of an hour ago) when a man phoned in saying about sad things, He said he read in the TIMES that a man had died aged 98 who fought in the war , was a pilot and was decorated as a hero. He was on the same day driving at sussex, he had reason to stop which was by a memoral this was to a british pilot who was killed at that spot when his plane crashed AGED 21. One man dies at 98 the other at 21 both served this country and now the r soles in goverment want to give it all away. Thats why i agree with the above and why i will be voting UKIP, What a state this country is in now! cosmick
  • Score: 7

11:08pm Sat 29 Mar 14

woodsedge says...

cosmick wrote:
UKIPpers wrote:
Surely, it is seldom that a political leader can stand before the same band of followers that hailed his first appearance twenty one years before, and repeat the same program. Seldom can a man proclaim the same doctrines and put them into practice for twenty-one years without at any time having had to relinquish a single part of his original program. In 1993 many of you must have asked yourselves: "Dear me, a new party, another new party! Why do we want a new party? Don't we have parties enough?"

If the UKIP movement had been or had intended to be nothing but a continuation of the old parties or an addition to existing parties, such an objection would indeed have been justified. There were certainly more than enough parties in those days. But, after all, UKIP was something quite different from all the existing and incipient parties of the time. It was a movement that declared for the first time and from the very outset that it had no intention of representing the definite, clearly outlined interests of individual classes. This was a movement which was definitely centred upon the concept of the British people. It was not a class party, sworn to uphold the right or the left, attempting to divide the nation, but one which from its very beginning had no thought for anything but the British people as a whole.

Thus began a heroic struggle, opposed at its inception by nearly all. Nevertheless, the essential objects of the movement embraced the decisive element. It’s clear and unambiguous aim did not allow the movement to become the tool of definite and limited individual interests, but raised it above all special obligations to the particular obligation of serving Britain in its entirety, of safeguarding its interests regardless of momentary dissensions or confused thoughts.

Political mistakes of the most serious kind have undoubtedly been made, not onlyduring the Coalition years but many years before. It had been apparent that a storm was brewing. Certain MEP’s are mobilising the whole of Europe against Britain.

Although favourable opportunities of opposing the Eurocrats and, moreover, of opposing them in good time had presented themselves, the Coalition government has proven to be a political failure. At the beginning of the term, too, the political leadership in both internal and external affairs was as clumsy as possible and, from the psychological point of view, utterly wrong.

You have not forgotten the political conditions of those days. You still remember the placards of the two great conflicting ideas-the bourgeoisie on the one side and the proletariat on the other; on the one side Conservative, on the other Labour. Fundamentally both movements are already sterile.

The EU confronted us. Our whole political duty of protesting against this subjection,the most ignominious of all times, and of calling upon the nation to take up against it. From the point of view of foreign policy, the dictate deprived the British nation of all its rights and rendered it defenceless. The foreign situation, moreover, also demanded a clear decision. The shameful dictate was intended to enslave the British nation forever. No limits had been set to this slavery. From the very outset they said: "We won't state a definite sum for you to pay, because we ourselves do not know what you are able to pay. From time to time we will fix fresh sums; but you must pledge yourselves immediately to pay everything we determine." And that is what the British governments of did.

The conception of the UKIP movement, whose fundamentals can be expressed in a single sentence, opposed this.

It is in your very town that you began your struggle, a political struggle against The EU. You know this, you old members of UKIP. I probably studied the EU more than any other man. The EU could not be abolished by humility, by submission. It could only be abolished by reliance upon ourselves, by the strength of the British nation.

When today I look before the nation and look at UKIP, I look at a band of men, real men who stand for something. On the other hand when I regard the cabinets, I can only say: "Quite incapable of being put in charge even of one of the smallest responsibilities”. In the world of politics selection is the outcome of struggle. It will be as a result of this struggle against opposition, that we will gradually acquire leaders with whose aid we can today achieve anything.

When, on the other hand, I look at the rest of the world, I am obliged to say: "They were simply asleep while this miracle was taking place. Even today they refuse to grasp it. They do not realise what we are, nor do they realize what they themselves are.

They go on like a figure of "Justice"-with blindfolded eyes. They reject what does not suit them.

I could go on. That is enough for now.
Very good.
I was just driving in my van (about a quater of an hour ago) when a man phoned in saying about sad things, He said he read in the TIMES that a man had died aged 98 who fought in the war , was a pilot and was decorated as a hero. He was on the same day driving at sussex, he had reason to stop which was by a memoral this was to a british pilot who was killed at that spot when his plane crashed AGED 21. One man dies at 98 the other at 21 both served this country and now the r soles in goverment want to give it all away.
Thats why i agree with the above and why i will be voting UKIP,
What a state this country is in now!
"Very good" do you not have a clue as to where the majority of this speech was cut and pasted from!!
[quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]UKIPpers[/bold] wrote: Surely, it is seldom that a political leader can stand before the same band of followers that hailed his first appearance twenty one years before, and repeat the same program. Seldom can a man proclaim the same doctrines and put them into practice for twenty-one years without at any time having had to relinquish a single part of his original program. In 1993 many of you must have asked yourselves: "Dear me, a new party, another new party! Why do we want a new party? Don't we have parties enough?" If the UKIP movement had been or had intended to be nothing but a continuation of the old parties or an addition to existing parties, such an objection would indeed have been justified. There were certainly more than enough parties in those days. But, after all, UKIP was something quite different from all the existing and incipient parties of the time. It was a movement that declared for the first time and from the very outset that it had no intention of representing the definite, clearly outlined interests of individual classes. This was a movement which was definitely centred upon the concept of the British people. It was not a class party, sworn to uphold the right or the left, attempting to divide the nation, but one which from its very beginning had no thought for anything but the British people as a whole. Thus began a heroic struggle, opposed at its inception by nearly all. Nevertheless, the essential objects of the movement embraced the decisive element. It’s clear and unambiguous aim did not allow the movement to become the tool of definite and limited individual interests, but raised it above all special obligations to the particular obligation of serving Britain in its entirety, of safeguarding its interests regardless of momentary dissensions or confused thoughts. Political mistakes of the most serious kind have undoubtedly been made, not onlyduring the Coalition years but many years before. It had been apparent that a storm was brewing. Certain MEP’s are mobilising the whole of Europe against Britain. Although favourable opportunities of opposing the Eurocrats and, moreover, of opposing them in good time had presented themselves, the Coalition government has proven to be a political failure. At the beginning of the term, too, the political leadership in both internal and external affairs was as clumsy as possible and, from the psychological point of view, utterly wrong. You have not forgotten the political conditions of those days. You still remember the placards of the two great conflicting ideas-the bourgeoisie on the one side and the proletariat on the other; on the one side Conservative, on the other Labour. Fundamentally both movements are already sterile. The EU confronted us. Our whole political duty of protesting against this subjection,the most ignominious of all times, and of calling upon the nation to take up against it. From the point of view of foreign policy, the dictate deprived the British nation of all its rights and rendered it defenceless. The foreign situation, moreover, also demanded a clear decision. The shameful dictate was intended to enslave the British nation forever. No limits had been set to this slavery. From the very outset they said: "We won't state a definite sum for you to pay, because we ourselves do not know what you are able to pay. From time to time we will fix fresh sums; but you must pledge yourselves immediately to pay everything we determine." And that is what the British governments of did. The conception of the UKIP movement, whose fundamentals can be expressed in a single sentence, opposed this. It is in your very town that you began your struggle, a political struggle against The EU. You know this, you old members of UKIP. I probably studied the EU more than any other man. The EU could not be abolished by humility, by submission. It could only be abolished by reliance upon ourselves, by the strength of the British nation. When today I look before the nation and look at UKIP, I look at a band of men, real men who stand for something. On the other hand when I regard the cabinets, I can only say: "Quite incapable of being put in charge even of one of the smallest responsibilities”. In the world of politics selection is the outcome of struggle. It will be as a result of this struggle against opposition, that we will gradually acquire leaders with whose aid we can today achieve anything. When, on the other hand, I look at the rest of the world, I am obliged to say: "They were simply asleep while this miracle was taking place. Even today they refuse to grasp it. They do not realise what we are, nor do they realize what they themselves are. They go on like a figure of "Justice"-with blindfolded eyes. They reject what does not suit them. I could go on. That is enough for now.[/p][/quote]Very good. I was just driving in my van (about a quater of an hour ago) when a man phoned in saying about sad things, He said he read in the TIMES that a man had died aged 98 who fought in the war , was a pilot and was decorated as a hero. He was on the same day driving at sussex, he had reason to stop which was by a memoral this was to a british pilot who was killed at that spot when his plane crashed AGED 21. One man dies at 98 the other at 21 both served this country and now the r soles in goverment want to give it all away. Thats why i agree with the above and why i will be voting UKIP, What a state this country is in now![/p][/quote]"Very good" do you not have a clue as to where the majority of this speech was cut and pasted from!! woodsedge
  • Score: -5

11:35pm Sat 29 Mar 14

Genghis says...

woodsedge wrote:
cosmick wrote:
UKIPpers wrote:
Surely, it is seldom that a political leader can stand before the same band of followers that hailed his first appearance twenty one years before, and repeat the same program. Seldom can a man proclaim the same doctrines and put them into practice for twenty-one years without at any time having had to relinquish a single part of his original program. In 1993 many of you must have asked yourselves: "Dear me, a new party, another new party! Why do we want a new party? Don't we have parties enough?"

If the UKIP movement had been or had intended to be nothing but a continuation of the old parties or an addition to existing parties, such an objection would indeed have been justified. There were certainly more than enough parties in those days. But, after all, UKIP was something quite different from all the existing and incipient parties of the time. It was a movement that declared for the first time and from the very outset that it had no intention of representing the definite, clearly outlined interests of individual classes. This was a movement which was definitely centred upon the concept of the British people. It was not a class party, sworn to uphold the right or the left, attempting to divide the nation, but one which from its very beginning had no thought for anything but the British people as a whole.

Thus began a heroic struggle, opposed at its inception by nearly all. Nevertheless, the essential objects of the movement embraced the decisive element. It’s clear and unambiguous aim did not allow the movement to become the tool of definite and limited individual interests, but raised it above all special obligations to the particular obligation of serving Britain in its entirety, of safeguarding its interests regardless of momentary dissensions or confused thoughts.

Political mistakes of the most serious kind have undoubtedly been made, not onlyduring the Coalition years but many years before. It had been apparent that a storm was brewing. Certain MEP’s are mobilising the whole of Europe against Britain.

Although favourable opportunities of opposing the Eurocrats and, moreover, of opposing them in good time had presented themselves, the Coalition government has proven to be a political failure. At the beginning of the term, too, the political leadership in both internal and external affairs was as clumsy as possible and, from the psychological point of view, utterly wrong.

You have not forgotten the political conditions of those days. You still remember the placards of the two great conflicting ideas-the bourgeoisie on the one side and the proletariat on the other; on the one side Conservative, on the other Labour. Fundamentally both movements are already sterile.

The EU confronted us. Our whole political duty of protesting against this subjection,the most ignominious of all times, and of calling upon the nation to take up against it. From the point of view of foreign policy, the dictate deprived the British nation of all its rights and rendered it defenceless. The foreign situation, moreover, also demanded a clear decision. The shameful dictate was intended to enslave the British nation forever. No limits had been set to this slavery. From the very outset they said: "We won't state a definite sum for you to pay, because we ourselves do not know what you are able to pay. From time to time we will fix fresh sums; but you must pledge yourselves immediately to pay everything we determine." And that is what the British governments of did.

The conception of the UKIP movement, whose fundamentals can be expressed in a single sentence, opposed this.

It is in your very town that you began your struggle, a political struggle against The EU. You know this, you old members of UKIP. I probably studied the EU more than any other man. The EU could not be abolished by humility, by submission. It could only be abolished by reliance upon ourselves, by the strength of the British nation.

When today I look before the nation and look at UKIP, I look at a band of men, real men who stand for something. On the other hand when I regard the cabinets, I can only say: "Quite incapable of being put in charge even of one of the smallest responsibilities”. In the world of politics selection is the outcome of struggle. It will be as a result of this struggle against opposition, that we will gradually acquire leaders with whose aid we can today achieve anything.

When, on the other hand, I look at the rest of the world, I am obliged to say: "They were simply asleep while this miracle was taking place. Even today they refuse to grasp it. They do not realise what we are, nor do they realize what they themselves are.

They go on like a figure of "Justice"-with blindfolded eyes. They reject what does not suit them.

I could go on. That is enough for now.
Very good.
I was just driving in my van (about a quater of an hour ago) when a man phoned in saying about sad things, He said he read in the TIMES that a man had died aged 98 who fought in the war , was a pilot and was decorated as a hero. He was on the same day driving at sussex, he had reason to stop which was by a memoral this was to a british pilot who was killed at that spot when his plane crashed AGED 21. One man dies at 98 the other at 21 both served this country and now the r soles in goverment want to give it all away.
Thats why i agree with the above and why i will be voting UKIP,
What a state this country is in now!
"Very good" do you not have a clue as to where the majority of this speech was cut and pasted from!!
Giving him the benefit of the doubt, I would presume he doesn't.
[quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]UKIPpers[/bold] wrote: Surely, it is seldom that a political leader can stand before the same band of followers that hailed his first appearance twenty one years before, and repeat the same program. Seldom can a man proclaim the same doctrines and put them into practice for twenty-one years without at any time having had to relinquish a single part of his original program. In 1993 many of you must have asked yourselves: "Dear me, a new party, another new party! Why do we want a new party? Don't we have parties enough?" If the UKIP movement had been or had intended to be nothing but a continuation of the old parties or an addition to existing parties, such an objection would indeed have been justified. There were certainly more than enough parties in those days. But, after all, UKIP was something quite different from all the existing and incipient parties of the time. It was a movement that declared for the first time and from the very outset that it had no intention of representing the definite, clearly outlined interests of individual classes. This was a movement which was definitely centred upon the concept of the British people. It was not a class party, sworn to uphold the right or the left, attempting to divide the nation, but one which from its very beginning had no thought for anything but the British people as a whole. Thus began a heroic struggle, opposed at its inception by nearly all. Nevertheless, the essential objects of the movement embraced the decisive element. It’s clear and unambiguous aim did not allow the movement to become the tool of definite and limited individual interests, but raised it above all special obligations to the particular obligation of serving Britain in its entirety, of safeguarding its interests regardless of momentary dissensions or confused thoughts. Political mistakes of the most serious kind have undoubtedly been made, not onlyduring the Coalition years but many years before. It had been apparent that a storm was brewing. Certain MEP’s are mobilising the whole of Europe against Britain. Although favourable opportunities of opposing the Eurocrats and, moreover, of opposing them in good time had presented themselves, the Coalition government has proven to be a political failure. At the beginning of the term, too, the political leadership in both internal and external affairs was as clumsy as possible and, from the psychological point of view, utterly wrong. You have not forgotten the political conditions of those days. You still remember the placards of the two great conflicting ideas-the bourgeoisie on the one side and the proletariat on the other; on the one side Conservative, on the other Labour. Fundamentally both movements are already sterile. The EU confronted us. Our whole political duty of protesting against this subjection,the most ignominious of all times, and of calling upon the nation to take up against it. From the point of view of foreign policy, the dictate deprived the British nation of all its rights and rendered it defenceless. The foreign situation, moreover, also demanded a clear decision. The shameful dictate was intended to enslave the British nation forever. No limits had been set to this slavery. From the very outset they said: "We won't state a definite sum for you to pay, because we ourselves do not know what you are able to pay. From time to time we will fix fresh sums; but you must pledge yourselves immediately to pay everything we determine." And that is what the British governments of did. The conception of the UKIP movement, whose fundamentals can be expressed in a single sentence, opposed this. It is in your very town that you began your struggle, a political struggle against The EU. You know this, you old members of UKIP. I probably studied the EU more than any other man. The EU could not be abolished by humility, by submission. It could only be abolished by reliance upon ourselves, by the strength of the British nation. When today I look before the nation and look at UKIP, I look at a band of men, real men who stand for something. On the other hand when I regard the cabinets, I can only say: "Quite incapable of being put in charge even of one of the smallest responsibilities”. In the world of politics selection is the outcome of struggle. It will be as a result of this struggle against opposition, that we will gradually acquire leaders with whose aid we can today achieve anything. When, on the other hand, I look at the rest of the world, I am obliged to say: "They were simply asleep while this miracle was taking place. Even today they refuse to grasp it. They do not realise what we are, nor do they realize what they themselves are. They go on like a figure of "Justice"-with blindfolded eyes. They reject what does not suit them. I could go on. That is enough for now.[/p][/quote]Very good. I was just driving in my van (about a quater of an hour ago) when a man phoned in saying about sad things, He said he read in the TIMES that a man had died aged 98 who fought in the war , was a pilot and was decorated as a hero. He was on the same day driving at sussex, he had reason to stop which was by a memoral this was to a british pilot who was killed at that spot when his plane crashed AGED 21. One man dies at 98 the other at 21 both served this country and now the r soles in goverment want to give it all away. Thats why i agree with the above and why i will be voting UKIP, What a state this country is in now![/p][/quote]"Very good" do you not have a clue as to where the majority of this speech was cut and pasted from!![/p][/quote]Giving him the benefit of the doubt, I would presume he doesn't. Genghis
  • Score: -4

2:28am Sun 30 Mar 14

EtaoinShrdlu says...

So once again Enoch Powell has been proved right. But interpreters are not needed, all we British have to do is shout loudly and whack them around the ears with a tightly rolled copy of The TImes and they soon comprehendo. And being Johnny Foreigners they are almost always guilty so why waste time, bang 'em up.
So once again Enoch Powell has been proved right. But interpreters are not needed, all we British have to do is shout loudly and whack them around the ears with a tightly rolled copy of The TImes and they soon comprehendo. And being Johnny Foreigners they are almost always guilty so why waste time, bang 'em up. EtaoinShrdlu
  • Score: 0

6:14am Sun 30 Mar 14

woodsedge says...

EtaoinShrdlu wrote:
So once again Enoch Powell has been proved right. But interpreters are not needed, all we British have to do is shout loudly and whack them around the ears with a tightly rolled copy of The TImes and they soon comprehendo. And being Johnny Foreigners they are almost always guilty so why waste time, bang 'em up.
Enoch Powell, try Adolph Hitler!
[quote][p][bold]EtaoinShrdlu[/bold] wrote: So once again Enoch Powell has been proved right. But interpreters are not needed, all we British have to do is shout loudly and whack them around the ears with a tightly rolled copy of The TImes and they soon comprehendo. And being Johnny Foreigners they are almost always guilty so why waste time, bang 'em up.[/p][/quote]Enoch Powell, try Adolph Hitler! woodsedge
  • Score: -4

6:38am Sun 30 Mar 14

UKIPpers says...

cosmick wrote:
UKIPpers wrote:
Surely, it is seldom that a political leader can stand before the same band of followers that hailed his first appearance twenty one years before, and repeat the same program. Seldom can a man proclaim the same doctrines and put them into practice for twenty-one years without at any time having had to relinquish a single part of his original program. In 1993 many of you must have asked yourselves: "Dear me, a new party, another new party! Why do we want a new party? Don't we have parties enough?"

If the UKIP movement had been or had intended to be nothing but a continuation of the old parties or an addition to existing parties, such an objection would indeed have been justified. There were certainly more than enough parties in those days. But, after all, UKIP was something quite different from all the existing and incipient parties of the time. It was a movement that declared for the first time and from the very outset that it had no intention of representing the definite, clearly outlined interests of individual classes. This was a movement which was definitely centred upon the concept of the British people. It was not a class party, sworn to uphold the right or the left, attempting to divide the nation, but one which from its very beginning had no thought for anything but the British people as a whole.

Thus began a heroic struggle, opposed at its inception by nearly all. Nevertheless, the essential objects of the movement embraced the decisive element. It’s clear and unambiguous aim did not allow the movement to become the tool of definite and limited individual interests, but raised it above all special obligations to the particular obligation of serving Britain in its entirety, of safeguarding its interests regardless of momentary dissensions or confused thoughts.

Political mistakes of the most serious kind have undoubtedly been made, not onlyduring the Coalition years but many years before. It had been apparent that a storm was brewing. Certain MEP’s are mobilising the whole of Europe against Britain.

Although favourable opportunities of opposing the Eurocrats and, moreover, of opposing them in good time had presented themselves, the Coalition government has proven to be a political failure. At the beginning of the term, too, the political leadership in both internal and external affairs was as clumsy as possible and, from the psychological point of view, utterly wrong.

You have not forgotten the political conditions of those days. You still remember the placards of the two great conflicting ideas-the bourgeoisie on the one side and the proletariat on the other; on the one side Conservative, on the other Labour. Fundamentally both movements are already sterile.

The EU confronted us. Our whole political duty of protesting against this subjection,the most ignominious of all times, and of calling upon the nation to take up against it. From the point of view of foreign policy, the dictate deprived the British nation of all its rights and rendered it defenceless. The foreign situation, moreover, also demanded a clear decision. The shameful dictate was intended to enslave the British nation forever. No limits had been set to this slavery. From the very outset they said: "We won't state a definite sum for you to pay, because we ourselves do not know what you are able to pay. From time to time we will fix fresh sums; but you must pledge yourselves immediately to pay everything we determine." And that is what the British governments of did.

The conception of the UKIP movement, whose fundamentals can be expressed in a single sentence, opposed this.

It is in your very town that you began your struggle, a political struggle against The EU. You know this, you old members of UKIP. I probably studied the EU more than any other man. The EU could not be abolished by humility, by submission. It could only be abolished by reliance upon ourselves, by the strength of the British nation.

When today I look before the nation and look at UKIP, I look at a band of men, real men who stand for something. On the other hand when I regard the cabinets, I can only say: "Quite incapable of being put in charge even of one of the smallest responsibilities”. In the world of politics selection is the outcome of struggle. It will be as a result of this struggle against opposition, that we will gradually acquire leaders with whose aid we can today achieve anything.

When, on the other hand, I look at the rest of the world, I am obliged to say: "They were simply asleep while this miracle was taking place. Even today they refuse to grasp it. They do not realise what we are, nor do they realize what they themselves are.

They go on like a figure of "Justice"-with blindfolded eyes. They reject what does not suit them.

I could go on. That is enough for now.
Very good.
I was just driving in my van (about a quater of an hour ago) when a man phoned in saying about sad things, He said he read in the TIMES that a man had died aged 98 who fought in the war , was a pilot and was decorated as a hero. He was on the same day driving at sussex, he had reason to stop which was by a memoral this was to a british pilot who was killed at that spot when his plane crashed AGED 21. One man dies at 98 the other at 21 both served this country and now the r soles in goverment want to give it all away.
Thats why i agree with the above and why i will be voting UKIP,
What a state this country is in now!
Cosmick, as others have realised, this speech is the start of an address to the Nazi Party in Munich on February 24 1941, by Adolf Hitler.

These are the very things your war veteran fought against. These are the very things UKIP stand for. Food for thought.
[quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]UKIPpers[/bold] wrote: Surely, it is seldom that a political leader can stand before the same band of followers that hailed his first appearance twenty one years before, and repeat the same program. Seldom can a man proclaim the same doctrines and put them into practice for twenty-one years without at any time having had to relinquish a single part of his original program. In 1993 many of you must have asked yourselves: "Dear me, a new party, another new party! Why do we want a new party? Don't we have parties enough?" If the UKIP movement had been or had intended to be nothing but a continuation of the old parties or an addition to existing parties, such an objection would indeed have been justified. There were certainly more than enough parties in those days. But, after all, UKIP was something quite different from all the existing and incipient parties of the time. It was a movement that declared for the first time and from the very outset that it had no intention of representing the definite, clearly outlined interests of individual classes. This was a movement which was definitely centred upon the concept of the British people. It was not a class party, sworn to uphold the right or the left, attempting to divide the nation, but one which from its very beginning had no thought for anything but the British people as a whole. Thus began a heroic struggle, opposed at its inception by nearly all. Nevertheless, the essential objects of the movement embraced the decisive element. It’s clear and unambiguous aim did not allow the movement to become the tool of definite and limited individual interests, but raised it above all special obligations to the particular obligation of serving Britain in its entirety, of safeguarding its interests regardless of momentary dissensions or confused thoughts. Political mistakes of the most serious kind have undoubtedly been made, not onlyduring the Coalition years but many years before. It had been apparent that a storm was brewing. Certain MEP’s are mobilising the whole of Europe against Britain. Although favourable opportunities of opposing the Eurocrats and, moreover, of opposing them in good time had presented themselves, the Coalition government has proven to be a political failure. At the beginning of the term, too, the political leadership in both internal and external affairs was as clumsy as possible and, from the psychological point of view, utterly wrong. You have not forgotten the political conditions of those days. You still remember the placards of the two great conflicting ideas-the bourgeoisie on the one side and the proletariat on the other; on the one side Conservative, on the other Labour. Fundamentally both movements are already sterile. The EU confronted us. Our whole political duty of protesting against this subjection,the most ignominious of all times, and of calling upon the nation to take up against it. From the point of view of foreign policy, the dictate deprived the British nation of all its rights and rendered it defenceless. The foreign situation, moreover, also demanded a clear decision. The shameful dictate was intended to enslave the British nation forever. No limits had been set to this slavery. From the very outset they said: "We won't state a definite sum for you to pay, because we ourselves do not know what you are able to pay. From time to time we will fix fresh sums; but you must pledge yourselves immediately to pay everything we determine." And that is what the British governments of did. The conception of the UKIP movement, whose fundamentals can be expressed in a single sentence, opposed this. It is in your very town that you began your struggle, a political struggle against The EU. You know this, you old members of UKIP. I probably studied the EU more than any other man. The EU could not be abolished by humility, by submission. It could only be abolished by reliance upon ourselves, by the strength of the British nation. When today I look before the nation and look at UKIP, I look at a band of men, real men who stand for something. On the other hand when I regard the cabinets, I can only say: "Quite incapable of being put in charge even of one of the smallest responsibilities”. In the world of politics selection is the outcome of struggle. It will be as a result of this struggle against opposition, that we will gradually acquire leaders with whose aid we can today achieve anything. When, on the other hand, I look at the rest of the world, I am obliged to say: "They were simply asleep while this miracle was taking place. Even today they refuse to grasp it. They do not realise what we are, nor do they realize what they themselves are. They go on like a figure of "Justice"-with blindfolded eyes. They reject what does not suit them. I could go on. That is enough for now.[/p][/quote]Very good. I was just driving in my van (about a quater of an hour ago) when a man phoned in saying about sad things, He said he read in the TIMES that a man had died aged 98 who fought in the war , was a pilot and was decorated as a hero. He was on the same day driving at sussex, he had reason to stop which was by a memoral this was to a british pilot who was killed at that spot when his plane crashed AGED 21. One man dies at 98 the other at 21 both served this country and now the r soles in goverment want to give it all away. Thats why i agree with the above and why i will be voting UKIP, What a state this country is in now![/p][/quote]Cosmick, as others have realised, this speech is the start of an address to the Nazi Party in Munich on February 24 1941, by Adolf Hitler. These are the very things your war veteran fought against. These are the very things UKIP stand for. Food for thought. UKIPpers
  • Score: 6

9:06am Sun 30 Mar 14

Sigurd Hoberth says...

dogloverdorset wrote:
Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
dogloverdorset wrote:
I despair sometimes , do we really want to live in a country that doesn't care about justice?

The ignorant among you presume all the translation was spent on offenders - are you so narrow minded you cant see that some of it will have been spent on helping victims through the police interview and court experiences ? For example the holidaymakers and students that keep our economy going

Even if people have offended, we need to deal out justice fairly - I wonder how much the Spanish, and Greek police forces spend on dealing with drunk, violent and abusive brits ? Or our truckers when they are abroad driving and accidentally break the law -We'd be the first to complain about rough justice if they were arrested and sentenced without even understanding what was going on...
Mind you - they at least try and learn English in their countries, unlike the majority of Brits
Well while you accuse others of ignorance and also confessing you clearly haven't researched the facts before slagging others off, If you check the official crime figures for 05-09 that shows an extra 1400-1500 extra crimes in Dorset due to migrants ( polish worst). Nobody minds interpreters being used for those on holiday but that should be covered by their own insurance, not the British tax payer.
and where per chance did you get those misleading figures?
And I didn't actually slag anyone off, unless you count yourself among the ignorant
Do you insure yourself for translators when you go on holiday, in case you become a victim of crime?
Is the increase in crime 'because of migrants' due to them committing crime? Did you count the crimes against them?
http://www.sendspace
.com/file/z5h8vz

Here are the official Police figures I've uploaded the PDF file for you. If you care to read them, as I said before you will see migrants have added appx. 1450 extra crimes in the Dorset area each year with the Polish the highest.

Now you can go back to sticking your fingers in your ears and saying la-la-la. Everyone else can vote UKIP.
[quote][p][bold]dogloverdorset[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dogloverdorset[/bold] wrote: I despair sometimes , do we really want to live in a country that doesn't care about justice? The ignorant among you presume all the translation was spent on offenders - are you so narrow minded you cant see that some of it will have been spent on helping victims through the police interview and court experiences ? For example the holidaymakers and students that keep our economy going Even if people have offended, we need to deal out justice fairly - I wonder how much the Spanish, and Greek police forces spend on dealing with drunk, violent and abusive brits ? Or our truckers when they are abroad driving and accidentally break the law -We'd be the first to complain about rough justice if they were arrested and sentenced without even understanding what was going on... Mind you - they at least try and learn English in their countries, unlike the majority of Brits[/p][/quote]Well while you accuse others of ignorance and also confessing you clearly haven't researched the facts before slagging others off, If you check the official crime figures for 05-09 that shows an extra 1400-1500 extra crimes in Dorset due to migrants ( polish worst). Nobody minds interpreters being used for those on holiday but that should be covered by their own insurance, not the British tax payer.[/p][/quote]and where per chance did you get those misleading figures? And I didn't actually slag anyone off, unless you count yourself among the ignorant Do you insure yourself for translators when you go on holiday, in case you become a victim of crime? Is the increase in crime 'because of migrants' due to them committing crime? Did you count the crimes against them?[/p][/quote]http://www.sendspace .com/file/z5h8vz Here are the official Police figures I've uploaded the PDF file for you. If you care to read them, as I said before you will see migrants have added appx. 1450 extra crimes in the Dorset area each year with the Polish the highest. Now you can go back to sticking your fingers in your ears and saying la-la-la. Everyone else can vote UKIP. Sigurd Hoberth
  • Score: 7

12:53pm Sun 30 Mar 14

cosmick says...

So you dont like the speeches that stand the test of time and tell it like it is.
So you dont like the speeches that stand the test of time and tell it like it is. cosmick
  • Score: -2

2:04pm Sun 30 Mar 14

woodsedge says...

cosmick wrote:
So you dont like the speeches that stand the test of time and tell it like it is.
Are you honestly saying that Hitlers speech in 1941 that lead to 60 million people dying "stood the test of time". I think you need you need to apologise immediately to all those that lost family for making such an ignorant throw away comment about a speech made by a lunatic. Or is your latest comment showing your true persona? And you try and pull at the heart strings about some story you heard in the van! That 98 year old veteran would never forgive you for stating that a speech from the instigator of mass slaughter "tells it like it is".
[quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: So you dont like the speeches that stand the test of time and tell it like it is.[/p][/quote]Are you honestly saying that Hitlers speech in 1941 that lead to 60 million people dying "stood the test of time". I think you need you need to apologise immediately to all those that lost family for making such an ignorant throw away comment about a speech made by a lunatic. Or is your latest comment showing your true persona? And you try and pull at the heart strings about some story you heard in the van! That 98 year old veteran would never forgive you for stating that a speech from the instigator of mass slaughter "tells it like it is". woodsedge
  • Score: -5

3:48pm Sun 30 Mar 14

UKIPpers says...

cosmick wrote:
So you dont like the speeches that stand the test of time and tell it like it is.
Wow. Hitler, aside from the mass genocide at least he tells it like it is eh.

A priceless insight into the mentality of a UKIP voter. Shameful.
[quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: So you dont like the speeches that stand the test of time and tell it like it is.[/p][/quote]Wow. Hitler, aside from the mass genocide at least he tells it like it is eh. A priceless insight into the mentality of a UKIP voter. Shameful. UKIPpers
  • Score: -6

4:44pm Sun 30 Mar 14

dogloverdorset says...

That will Poland - the country that bravely sent young men to fight and die for us in WW2? Dreadful people.....
That will Poland - the country that bravely sent young men to fight and die for us in WW2? Dreadful people..... dogloverdorset
  • Score: -3

5:17pm Sun 30 Mar 14

Sigurd Hoberth says...

dogloverdorset wrote:
That will Poland - the country that bravely sent young men to fight and die for us in WW2? Dreadful people.....
I think you will find Poland had no choice in WW2, it is US that sent our men to die for THEM.
[quote][p][bold]dogloverdorset[/bold] wrote: That will Poland - the country that bravely sent young men to fight and die for us in WW2? Dreadful people.....[/p][/quote]I think you will find Poland had no choice in WW2, it is US that sent our men to die for THEM. Sigurd Hoberth
  • Score: 3

5:25pm Sun 30 Mar 14

Sigurd Hoberth says...

dogloverdorset wrote:
That will Poland - the country that bravely sent young men to fight and die for us in WW2? Dreadful people.....
You also gone a bit quiet on the official crime figures there?
[quote][p][bold]dogloverdorset[/bold] wrote: That will Poland - the country that bravely sent young men to fight and die for us in WW2? Dreadful people.....[/p][/quote]You also gone a bit quiet on the official crime figures there? Sigurd Hoberth
  • Score: 7

10:07pm Sun 30 Mar 14

JamesYoung says...

Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
dogloverdorset wrote:
That will Poland - the country that bravely sent young men to fight and die for us in WW2? Dreadful people.....
I think you will find Poland had no choice in WW2, it is US that sent our men to die for THEM.
You are woefully misinformed. Polish fighters fled Poland under great personal risk and fought in the front lines for Britain and France, because of their hatred for the Germans. They earned the respect of the British soldier and you should show them some respect too.
How did we treat Poland? The Warsaw Uprising was encouraged by Britain and Stalin, both of whom promised to intervene and didn't. At the end of the war, Stalin had decided he'd like to hold onto Poland and because Churchill didn't want to upset him, Polish soldiers and airmen were prevented from taking part in the Victory marches and the whole "lazy Pole" meme was invented to downplay the role that the Poles played.
[quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dogloverdorset[/bold] wrote: That will Poland - the country that bravely sent young men to fight and die for us in WW2? Dreadful people.....[/p][/quote]I think you will find Poland had no choice in WW2, it is US that sent our men to die for THEM.[/p][/quote]You are woefully misinformed. Polish fighters fled Poland under great personal risk and fought in the front lines for Britain and France, because of their hatred for the Germans. They earned the respect of the British soldier and you should show them some respect too. How did we treat Poland? The Warsaw Uprising was encouraged by Britain and Stalin, both of whom promised to intervene and didn't. At the end of the war, Stalin had decided he'd like to hold onto Poland and because Churchill didn't want to upset him, Polish soldiers and airmen were prevented from taking part in the Victory marches and the whole "lazy Pole" meme was invented to downplay the role that the Poles played. JamesYoung
  • Score: 2

11:29pm Sun 30 Mar 14

woodsedge says...

JamesYoung wrote:
Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
dogloverdorset wrote:
That will Poland - the country that bravely sent young men to fight and die for us in WW2? Dreadful people.....
I think you will find Poland had no choice in WW2, it is US that sent our men to die for THEM.
You are woefully misinformed. Polish fighters fled Poland under great personal risk and fought in the front lines for Britain and France, because of their hatred for the Germans. They earned the respect of the British soldier and you should show them some respect too.
How did we treat Poland? The Warsaw Uprising was encouraged by Britain and Stalin, both of whom promised to intervene and didn't. At the end of the war, Stalin had decided he'd like to hold onto Poland and because Churchill didn't want to upset him, Polish soldiers and airmen were prevented from taking part in the Victory marches and the whole "lazy Pole" meme was invented to downplay the role that the Poles played.
Plenty of misinformation on this article James, still no apology from the PUKIP supporter who admired Hitlers 1941 speech, should be ashamed of themselves.
[quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dogloverdorset[/bold] wrote: That will Poland - the country that bravely sent young men to fight and die for us in WW2? Dreadful people.....[/p][/quote]I think you will find Poland had no choice in WW2, it is US that sent our men to die for THEM.[/p][/quote]You are woefully misinformed. Polish fighters fled Poland under great personal risk and fought in the front lines for Britain and France, because of their hatred for the Germans. They earned the respect of the British soldier and you should show them some respect too. How did we treat Poland? The Warsaw Uprising was encouraged by Britain and Stalin, both of whom promised to intervene and didn't. At the end of the war, Stalin had decided he'd like to hold onto Poland and because Churchill didn't want to upset him, Polish soldiers and airmen were prevented from taking part in the Victory marches and the whole "lazy Pole" meme was invented to downplay the role that the Poles played.[/p][/quote]Plenty of misinformation on this article James, still no apology from the PUKIP supporter who admired Hitlers 1941 speech, should be ashamed of themselves. woodsedge
  • Score: -3

8:00am Mon 31 Mar 14

livid99 says...

cosmick wrote:
livid99 wrote:
cosmick wrote:
Well wake up then. Thats your money they are spending, in the case of the police it must be because these people were arrested or spoken to in connection with law breaking. As for the NHS i got a letter from the NHS one side ENGLISH, other sideWAIT FOR IT!
ALBANIAN
ARABIC
BENGALI
CHINESE
FARSI
GUJARATI
HINDI
POLISH
PORTUGESE
PUNJABI
SOMALI
TURKISH
URDU.
Your money used to give this service, if when they came to our country they where only allowed in if they could speak ENGLISH what could we do with the money saved?
The money spent has not included the cost of the courts which really rockets up.
As for UKIP i went to the AGM last night and it seems we are doing very well at the moment with the biggest rise in members in the last 4 weeks.
So remember if you want to retain the BRITISH way of life and withdraw from the E/U VOTE UKIP!
OK let the debate begin.
Yawn.....Presumably you are one of those people who go on holiday to Spain, or Greece or Turkey and can automatically speak the language of these countries fluently ? If not, why not ? And if you cannot, presumably you rely on translations while you are there ?
And what is this BRITISH way of life ? How do you define it ???
I watched Farage on the TV debate, and while I am certainly no fan of Nick Clegg, every time Farage opened his huge grinning mouth I just cringed and felt the urge to chuck my dinner at him. If he thinks he represents the average Brit - of which I am one - then he is wrong. If he ever wins the election, I will become an immigrant in another country.
Dont presume i go anywhere on holiday. You can presume what you like that is not the same as knowing the facts.
As for the British way of life, you say you are the average BRIT, if you are the average BRIT maybe you could share with us your lifestyle. Is it watching t v soaps all day? Is it hard working ? Are you on dole? Are you a home owner do you rent? Do you have a family, are you in a same sex relationship? Tell me who / what is an average BRIT.
Then i will tell you about the real BRITISH way of life.
As for leaving this country when labour was going to win the G/E a lot of well know (stars) said they would leave the country , sadly they never did i expect your the same !
If my lifestyle interests you, then no I do not watch soaps all day (they are for people with no imagination to do anything else), I work hard running my own business so I am not a benefit scrounger, I own my own house, I have a family and am not gay. So, looking at society nowadays maybe I am not average Brit afterall. However, I still thing Farage is a clown, and I WOULD leave the country if he ever became leader. I have the means to do so.
[quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]livid99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: Well wake up then. Thats your money they are spending, in the case of the police it must be because these people were arrested or spoken to in connection with law breaking. As for the NHS i got a letter from the NHS one side ENGLISH, other sideWAIT FOR IT! ALBANIAN ARABIC BENGALI CHINESE FARSI GUJARATI HINDI POLISH PORTUGESE PUNJABI SOMALI TURKISH URDU. Your money used to give this service, if when they came to our country they where only allowed in if they could speak ENGLISH what could we do with the money saved? The money spent has not included the cost of the courts which really rockets up. As for UKIP i went to the AGM last night and it seems we are doing very well at the moment with the biggest rise in members in the last 4 weeks. So remember if you want to retain the BRITISH way of life and withdraw from the E/U VOTE UKIP! OK let the debate begin.[/p][/quote]Yawn.....Presumably you are one of those people who go on holiday to Spain, or Greece or Turkey and can automatically speak the language of these countries fluently ? If not, why not ? And if you cannot, presumably you rely on translations while you are there ? And what is this BRITISH way of life ? How do you define it ??? I watched Farage on the TV debate, and while I am certainly no fan of Nick Clegg, every time Farage opened his huge grinning mouth I just cringed and felt the urge to chuck my dinner at him. If he thinks he represents the average Brit - of which I am one - then he is wrong. If he ever wins the election, I will become an immigrant in another country.[/p][/quote]Dont presume i go anywhere on holiday. You can presume what you like that is not the same as knowing the facts. As for the British way of life, you say you are the average BRIT, if you are the average BRIT maybe you could share with us your lifestyle. Is it watching t v soaps all day? Is it hard working ? Are you on dole? Are you a home owner do you rent? Do you have a family, are you in a same sex relationship? Tell me who / what is an average BRIT. Then i will tell you about the real BRITISH way of life. As for leaving this country when labour was going to win the G/E a lot of well know (stars) said they would leave the country , sadly they never did i expect your the same ![/p][/quote]If my lifestyle interests you, then no I do not watch soaps all day (they are for people with no imagination to do anything else), I work hard running my own business so I am not a benefit scrounger, I own my own house, I have a family and am not gay. So, looking at society nowadays maybe I am not average Brit afterall. However, I still thing Farage is a clown, and I WOULD leave the country if he ever became leader. I have the means to do so. livid99
  • Score: -1

8:07am Mon 31 Mar 14

DucksQuack says...

Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
dogloverdorset wrote:
That will Poland - the country that bravely sent young men to fight and die for us in WW2? Dreadful people.....
You also gone a bit quiet on the official crime figures there?
Sigurd, your figures lack any context. How do these figures compare to the figures of people born in England. How do they compare to holiday makers who visit the county. How do they compare to people who have migrated from another part of the country to Dorset?

For all we without context they could be the best behaved demographic. It doesn't take long to find articles which suggest crime rates in areas with immigrants are actually lower, and crime rates for 2nd generation immigrants born in this country are the same as anyone else.
[quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dogloverdorset[/bold] wrote: That will Poland - the country that bravely sent young men to fight and die for us in WW2? Dreadful people.....[/p][/quote]You also gone a bit quiet on the official crime figures there?[/p][/quote]Sigurd, your figures lack any context. How do these figures compare to the figures of people born in England. How do they compare to holiday makers who visit the county. How do they compare to people who have migrated from another part of the country to Dorset? For all we without context they could be the best behaved demographic. It doesn't take long to find articles which suggest crime rates in areas with immigrants are actually lower, and crime rates for 2nd generation immigrants born in this country are the same as anyone else. DucksQuack
  • Score: -2

8:08am Mon 31 Mar 14

DucksQuack says...

for all we know*
for all we know* DucksQuack
  • Score: 0

10:21am Mon 31 Mar 14

Sigurd Hoberth says...

DucksQuack wrote:
Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
dogloverdorset wrote:
That will Poland - the country that bravely sent young men to fight and die for us in WW2? Dreadful people.....
You also gone a bit quiet on the official crime figures there?
Sigurd, your figures lack any context. How do these figures compare to the figures of people born in England. How do they compare to holiday makers who visit the county. How do they compare to people who have migrated from another part of the country to Dorset?

For all we without context they could be the best behaved demographic. It doesn't take long to find articles which suggest crime rates in areas with immigrants are actually lower, and crime rates for 2nd generation immigrants born in this country are the same as anyone else.
These figures are for people FROM those countries. If they was born here they would be under "British". If you notice it is not a RACE chart but an Nationality ORIGIN chart, so all those on there are FROM those countries who migrated or illegally come here....Understand?
[quote][p][bold]DucksQuack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dogloverdorset[/bold] wrote: That will Poland - the country that bravely sent young men to fight and die for us in WW2? Dreadful people.....[/p][/quote]You also gone a bit quiet on the official crime figures there?[/p][/quote]Sigurd, your figures lack any context. How do these figures compare to the figures of people born in England. How do they compare to holiday makers who visit the county. How do they compare to people who have migrated from another part of the country to Dorset? For all we without context they could be the best behaved demographic. It doesn't take long to find articles which suggest crime rates in areas with immigrants are actually lower, and crime rates for 2nd generation immigrants born in this country are the same as anyone else.[/p][/quote]These figures are for people FROM those countries. If they was born here they would be under "British". If you notice it is not a RACE chart but an Nationality ORIGIN chart, so all those on there are FROM those countries who migrated or illegally come here....Understand? Sigurd Hoberth
  • Score: 3

10:25am Mon 31 Mar 14

Sigurd Hoberth says...

JamesYoung wrote:
Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
dogloverdorset wrote:
That will Poland - the country that bravely sent young men to fight and die for us in WW2? Dreadful people.....
I think you will find Poland had no choice in WW2, it is US that sent our men to die for THEM.
You are woefully misinformed. Polish fighters fled Poland under great personal risk and fought in the front lines for Britain and France, because of their hatred for the Germans. They earned the respect of the British soldier and you should show them some respect too.
How did we treat Poland? The Warsaw Uprising was encouraged by Britain and Stalin, both of whom promised to intervene and didn't. At the end of the war, Stalin had decided he'd like to hold onto Poland and because Churchill didn't want to upset him, Polish soldiers and airmen were prevented from taking part in the Victory marches and the whole "lazy Pole" meme was invented to downplay the role that the Poles played.
Like I said James they had no choice, they was being invaded, So rather then fight they fled and come to us for help then fought once they had backup. So it is no really incorrect is it.
[quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dogloverdorset[/bold] wrote: That will Poland - the country that bravely sent young men to fight and die for us in WW2? Dreadful people.....[/p][/quote]I think you will find Poland had no choice in WW2, it is US that sent our men to die for THEM.[/p][/quote]You are woefully misinformed. Polish fighters fled Poland under great personal risk and fought in the front lines for Britain and France, because of their hatred for the Germans. They earned the respect of the British soldier and you should show them some respect too. How did we treat Poland? The Warsaw Uprising was encouraged by Britain and Stalin, both of whom promised to intervene and didn't. At the end of the war, Stalin had decided he'd like to hold onto Poland and because Churchill didn't want to upset him, Polish soldiers and airmen were prevented from taking part in the Victory marches and the whole "lazy Pole" meme was invented to downplay the role that the Poles played.[/p][/quote]Like I said James they had no choice, they was being invaded, So rather then fight they fled and come to us for help then fought once they had backup. So it is no really incorrect is it. Sigurd Hoberth
  • Score: 0

10:48am Mon 31 Mar 14

Sigurd Hoberth says...

livid99 wrote:
cosmick wrote:
livid99 wrote:
cosmick wrote:
Well wake up then. Thats your money they are spending, in the case of the police it must be because these people were arrested or spoken to in connection with law breaking. As for the NHS i got a letter from the NHS one side ENGLISH, other sideWAIT FOR IT!
ALBANIAN
ARABIC
BENGALI
CHINESE
FARSI
GUJARATI
HINDI
POLISH
PORTUGESE
PUNJABI
SOMALI
TURKISH
URDU.
Your money used to give this service, if when they came to our country they where only allowed in if they could speak ENGLISH what could we do with the money saved?
The money spent has not included the cost of the courts which really rockets up.
As for UKIP i went to the AGM last night and it seems we are doing very well at the moment with the biggest rise in members in the last 4 weeks.
So remember if you want to retain the BRITISH way of life and withdraw from the E/U VOTE UKIP!
OK let the debate begin.
Yawn.....Presumably you are one of those people who go on holiday to Spain, or Greece or Turkey and can automatically speak the language of these countries fluently ? If not, why not ? And if you cannot, presumably you rely on translations while you are there ?
And what is this BRITISH way of life ? How do you define it ???
I watched Farage on the TV debate, and while I am certainly no fan of Nick Clegg, every time Farage opened his huge grinning mouth I just cringed and felt the urge to chuck my dinner at him. If he thinks he represents the average Brit - of which I am one - then he is wrong. If he ever wins the election, I will become an immigrant in another country.
Dont presume i go anywhere on holiday. You can presume what you like that is not the same as knowing the facts.
As for the British way of life, you say you are the average BRIT, if you are the average BRIT maybe you could share with us your lifestyle. Is it watching t v soaps all day? Is it hard working ? Are you on dole? Are you a home owner do you rent? Do you have a family, are you in a same sex relationship? Tell me who / what is an average BRIT.
Then i will tell you about the real BRITISH way of life.
As for leaving this country when labour was going to win the G/E a lot of well know (stars) said they would leave the country , sadly they never did i expect your the same !
If my lifestyle interests you, then no I do not watch soaps all day (they are for people with no imagination to do anything else), I work hard running my own business so I am not a benefit scrounger, I own my own house, I have a family and am not gay. So, looking at society nowadays maybe I am not average Brit afterall. However, I still thing Farage is a clown, and I WOULD leave the country if he ever became leader. I have the means to do so.
The Airport is that-a-way...
[quote][p][bold]livid99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]livid99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: Well wake up then. Thats your money they are spending, in the case of the police it must be because these people were arrested or spoken to in connection with law breaking. As for the NHS i got a letter from the NHS one side ENGLISH, other sideWAIT FOR IT! ALBANIAN ARABIC BENGALI CHINESE FARSI GUJARATI HINDI POLISH PORTUGESE PUNJABI SOMALI TURKISH URDU. Your money used to give this service, if when they came to our country they where only allowed in if they could speak ENGLISH what could we do with the money saved? The money spent has not included the cost of the courts which really rockets up. As for UKIP i went to the AGM last night and it seems we are doing very well at the moment with the biggest rise in members in the last 4 weeks. So remember if you want to retain the BRITISH way of life and withdraw from the E/U VOTE UKIP! OK let the debate begin.[/p][/quote]Yawn.....Presumably you are one of those people who go on holiday to Spain, or Greece or Turkey and can automatically speak the language of these countries fluently ? If not, why not ? And if you cannot, presumably you rely on translations while you are there ? And what is this BRITISH way of life ? How do you define it ??? I watched Farage on the TV debate, and while I am certainly no fan of Nick Clegg, every time Farage opened his huge grinning mouth I just cringed and felt the urge to chuck my dinner at him. If he thinks he represents the average Brit - of which I am one - then he is wrong. If he ever wins the election, I will become an immigrant in another country.[/p][/quote]Dont presume i go anywhere on holiday. You can presume what you like that is not the same as knowing the facts. As for the British way of life, you say you are the average BRIT, if you are the average BRIT maybe you could share with us your lifestyle. Is it watching t v soaps all day? Is it hard working ? Are you on dole? Are you a home owner do you rent? Do you have a family, are you in a same sex relationship? Tell me who / what is an average BRIT. Then i will tell you about the real BRITISH way of life. As for leaving this country when labour was going to win the G/E a lot of well know (stars) said they would leave the country , sadly they never did i expect your the same ![/p][/quote]If my lifestyle interests you, then no I do not watch soaps all day (they are for people with no imagination to do anything else), I work hard running my own business so I am not a benefit scrounger, I own my own house, I have a family and am not gay. So, looking at society nowadays maybe I am not average Brit afterall. However, I still thing Farage is a clown, and I WOULD leave the country if he ever became leader. I have the means to do so.[/p][/quote]The Airport is that-a-way... Sigurd Hoberth
  • Score: 0

11:04am Mon 31 Mar 14

UKIPpers says...

Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
DucksQuack wrote:
Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
dogloverdorset wrote:
That will Poland - the country that bravely sent young men to fight and die for us in WW2? Dreadful people.....
You also gone a bit quiet on the official crime figures there?
Sigurd, your figures lack any context. How do these figures compare to the figures of people born in England. How do they compare to holiday makers who visit the county. How do they compare to people who have migrated from another part of the country to Dorset?

For all we without context they could be the best behaved demographic. It doesn't take long to find articles which suggest crime rates in areas with immigrants are actually lower, and crime rates for 2nd generation immigrants born in this country are the same as anyone else.
These figures are for people FROM those countries. If they was born here they would be under "British". If you notice it is not a RACE chart but an Nationality ORIGIN chart, so all those on there are FROM those countries who migrated or illegally come here....Understand?
Sigurd,

Your chart does not include "British", hence why the all important context is missing.

What is the message that you're trying to convey with your 5 year old crime figures? Is it that immigration isn't worth the economic and social benefits because people commit crime?

Do please clarify so that I might understand.
[quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DucksQuack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dogloverdorset[/bold] wrote: That will Poland - the country that bravely sent young men to fight and die for us in WW2? Dreadful people.....[/p][/quote]You also gone a bit quiet on the official crime figures there?[/p][/quote]Sigurd, your figures lack any context. How do these figures compare to the figures of people born in England. How do they compare to holiday makers who visit the county. How do they compare to people who have migrated from another part of the country to Dorset? For all we without context they could be the best behaved demographic. It doesn't take long to find articles which suggest crime rates in areas with immigrants are actually lower, and crime rates for 2nd generation immigrants born in this country are the same as anyone else.[/p][/quote]These figures are for people FROM those countries. If they was born here they would be under "British". If you notice it is not a RACE chart but an Nationality ORIGIN chart, so all those on there are FROM those countries who migrated or illegally come here....Understand?[/p][/quote]Sigurd, Your chart does not include "British", hence why the all important context is missing. What is the message that you're trying to convey with your 5 year old crime figures? Is it that immigration isn't worth the economic and social benefits because people commit crime? Do please clarify so that I might understand. UKIPpers
  • Score: 2

11:12am Mon 31 Mar 14

DucksQuack says...

UKIPpers wrote:
Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
DucksQuack wrote:
Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
dogloverdorset wrote:
That will Poland - the country that bravely sent young men to fight and die for us in WW2? Dreadful people.....
You also gone a bit quiet on the official crime figures there?
Sigurd, your figures lack any context. How do these figures compare to the figures of people born in England. How do they compare to holiday makers who visit the county. How do they compare to people who have migrated from another part of the country to Dorset?

For all we without context they could be the best behaved demographic. It doesn't take long to find articles which suggest crime rates in areas with immigrants are actually lower, and crime rates for 2nd generation immigrants born in this country are the same as anyone else.
These figures are for people FROM those countries. If they was born here they would be under "British". If you notice it is not a RACE chart but an Nationality ORIGIN chart, so all those on there are FROM those countries who migrated or illegally come here....Understand?
Sigurd,

Your chart does not include "British", hence why the all important context is missing.

What is the message that you're trying to convey with your 5 year old crime figures? Is it that immigration isn't worth the economic and social benefits because people commit crime?

Do please clarify so that I might understand.
Yes please I would like to understand too.

Enlighten us all Sigurd.
[quote][p][bold]UKIPpers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DucksQuack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dogloverdorset[/bold] wrote: That will Poland - the country that bravely sent young men to fight and die for us in WW2? Dreadful people.....[/p][/quote]You also gone a bit quiet on the official crime figures there?[/p][/quote]Sigurd, your figures lack any context. How do these figures compare to the figures of people born in England. How do they compare to holiday makers who visit the county. How do they compare to people who have migrated from another part of the country to Dorset? For all we without context they could be the best behaved demographic. It doesn't take long to find articles which suggest crime rates in areas with immigrants are actually lower, and crime rates for 2nd generation immigrants born in this country are the same as anyone else.[/p][/quote]These figures are for people FROM those countries. If they was born here they would be under "British". If you notice it is not a RACE chart but an Nationality ORIGIN chart, so all those on there are FROM those countries who migrated or illegally come here....Understand?[/p][/quote]Sigurd, Your chart does not include "British", hence why the all important context is missing. What is the message that you're trying to convey with your 5 year old crime figures? Is it that immigration isn't worth the economic and social benefits because people commit crime? Do please clarify so that I might understand.[/p][/quote]Yes please I would like to understand too. Enlighten us all Sigurd. DucksQuack
  • Score: -2

11:12am Mon 31 Mar 14

Sigurd Hoberth says...

UKIPpers wrote:
Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
DucksQuack wrote:
Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
dogloverdorset wrote:
That will Poland - the country that bravely sent young men to fight and die for us in WW2? Dreadful people.....
You also gone a bit quiet on the official crime figures there?
Sigurd, your figures lack any context. How do these figures compare to the figures of people born in England. How do they compare to holiday makers who visit the county. How do they compare to people who have migrated from another part of the country to Dorset?

For all we without context they could be the best behaved demographic. It doesn't take long to find articles which suggest crime rates in areas with immigrants are actually lower, and crime rates for 2nd generation immigrants born in this country are the same as anyone else.
These figures are for people FROM those countries. If they was born here they would be under "British". If you notice it is not a RACE chart but an Nationality ORIGIN chart, so all those on there are FROM those countries who migrated or illegally come here....Understand?
Sigurd,

Your chart does not include "British", hence why the all important context is missing.

What is the message that you're trying to convey with your 5 year old crime figures? Is it that immigration isn't worth the economic and social benefits because people commit crime?

Do please clarify so that I might understand.
It has already been clarified and I suggest once you apply for the 2009-2013 figures they will likely be the same or worse. British is not included on there because it is a chart for Foreign migrants of course, we have our own charts for the British. The point is that 1400-1500 extra crimes in Dorset exist that we would not be having if it was not for our open borders.
[quote][p][bold]UKIPpers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DucksQuack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dogloverdorset[/bold] wrote: That will Poland - the country that bravely sent young men to fight and die for us in WW2? Dreadful people.....[/p][/quote]You also gone a bit quiet on the official crime figures there?[/p][/quote]Sigurd, your figures lack any context. How do these figures compare to the figures of people born in England. How do they compare to holiday makers who visit the county. How do they compare to people who have migrated from another part of the country to Dorset? For all we without context they could be the best behaved demographic. It doesn't take long to find articles which suggest crime rates in areas with immigrants are actually lower, and crime rates for 2nd generation immigrants born in this country are the same as anyone else.[/p][/quote]These figures are for people FROM those countries. If they was born here they would be under "British". If you notice it is not a RACE chart but an Nationality ORIGIN chart, so all those on there are FROM those countries who migrated or illegally come here....Understand?[/p][/quote]Sigurd, Your chart does not include "British", hence why the all important context is missing. What is the message that you're trying to convey with your 5 year old crime figures? Is it that immigration isn't worth the economic and social benefits because people commit crime? Do please clarify so that I might understand.[/p][/quote]It has already been clarified and I suggest once you apply for the 2009-2013 figures they will likely be the same or worse. British is not included on there because it is a chart for Foreign migrants of course, we have our own charts for the British. The point is that 1400-1500 extra crimes in Dorset exist that we would not be having if it was not for our open borders. Sigurd Hoberth
  • Score: 2

11:27am Mon 31 Mar 14

UKIPpers says...

So to summarise. Where there are more people, there is more crime.

Thank you for this insight. It was truly enlightening.

Without context your figures don't tell us if an immigrant is more or less likely to commit a crime than a person born here. Many reports show that they are less likely, making them better behaved citizens while contributing to the economy.

Perhaps a ban on the movement of all people domestic and international is the solution that would best satisfy you Sigurd.
So to summarise. Where there are more people, there is more crime. Thank you for this insight. It was truly enlightening. Without context your figures don't tell us if an immigrant is more or less likely to commit a crime than a person born here. Many reports show that they are less likely, making them better behaved citizens while contributing to the economy. Perhaps a ban on the movement of all people domestic and international is the solution that would best satisfy you Sigurd. UKIPpers
  • Score: 1

11:27am Mon 31 Mar 14

livid99 says...

Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
livid99 wrote:
cosmick wrote:
livid99 wrote:
cosmick wrote:
Well wake up then. Thats your money they are spending, in the case of the police it must be because these people were arrested or spoken to in connection with law breaking. As for the NHS i got a letter from the NHS one side ENGLISH, other sideWAIT FOR IT!
ALBANIAN
ARABIC
BENGALI
CHINESE
FARSI
GUJARATI
HINDI
POLISH
PORTUGESE
PUNJABI
SOMALI
TURKISH
URDU.
Your money used to give this service, if when they came to our country they where only allowed in if they could speak ENGLISH what could we do with the money saved?
The money spent has not included the cost of the courts which really rockets up.
As for UKIP i went to the AGM last night and it seems we are doing very well at the moment with the biggest rise in members in the last 4 weeks.
So remember if you want to retain the BRITISH way of life and withdraw from the E/U VOTE UKIP!
OK let the debate begin.
Yawn.....Presumably you are one of those people who go on holiday to Spain, or Greece or Turkey and can automatically speak the language of these countries fluently ? If not, why not ? And if you cannot, presumably you rely on translations while you are there ?
And what is this BRITISH way of life ? How do you define it ???
I watched Farage on the TV debate, and while I am certainly no fan of Nick Clegg, every time Farage opened his huge grinning mouth I just cringed and felt the urge to chuck my dinner at him. If he thinks he represents the average Brit - of which I am one - then he is wrong. If he ever wins the election, I will become an immigrant in another country.
Dont presume i go anywhere on holiday. You can presume what you like that is not the same as knowing the facts.
As for the British way of life, you say you are the average BRIT, if you are the average BRIT maybe you could share with us your lifestyle. Is it watching t v soaps all day? Is it hard working ? Are you on dole? Are you a home owner do you rent? Do you have a family, are you in a same sex relationship? Tell me who / what is an average BRIT.
Then i will tell you about the real BRITISH way of life.
As for leaving this country when labour was going to win the G/E a lot of well know (stars) said they would leave the country , sadly they never did i expect your the same !
If my lifestyle interests you, then no I do not watch soaps all day (they are for people with no imagination to do anything else), I work hard running my own business so I am not a benefit scrounger, I own my own house, I have a family and am not gay. So, looking at society nowadays maybe I am not average Brit afterall. However, I still thing Farage is a clown, and I WOULD leave the country if he ever became leader. I have the means to do so.
The Airport is that-a-way...
Sorry - you appear to have not read my post properly. I'm quite happy where I am at the moment thanks. Will probably stay here too, as the chance of Farage actually becoming the leader of this country are tiny, thank God. People may vote for him in the Euro's just to make a point, but at real election time they want someone who offers more than just blaming all our problems on immigrants or the EU. Standing around grinning with his pint and his cigarette may make him appeal to some, but most sensible people would not trust him with the keys.
[quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]livid99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]livid99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: Well wake up then. Thats your money they are spending, in the case of the police it must be because these people were arrested or spoken to in connection with law breaking. As for the NHS i got a letter from the NHS one side ENGLISH, other sideWAIT FOR IT! ALBANIAN ARABIC BENGALI CHINESE FARSI GUJARATI HINDI POLISH PORTUGESE PUNJABI SOMALI TURKISH URDU. Your money used to give this service, if when they came to our country they where only allowed in if they could speak ENGLISH what could we do with the money saved? The money spent has not included the cost of the courts which really rockets up. As for UKIP i went to the AGM last night and it seems we are doing very well at the moment with the biggest rise in members in the last 4 weeks. So remember if you want to retain the BRITISH way of life and withdraw from the E/U VOTE UKIP! OK let the debate begin.[/p][/quote]Yawn.....Presumably you are one of those people who go on holiday to Spain, or Greece or Turkey and can automatically speak the language of these countries fluently ? If not, why not ? And if you cannot, presumably you rely on translations while you are there ? And what is this BRITISH way of life ? How do you define it ??? I watched Farage on the TV debate, and while I am certainly no fan of Nick Clegg, every time Farage opened his huge grinning mouth I just cringed and felt the urge to chuck my dinner at him. If he thinks he represents the average Brit - of which I am one - then he is wrong. If he ever wins the election, I will become an immigrant in another country.[/p][/quote]Dont presume i go anywhere on holiday. You can presume what you like that is not the same as knowing the facts. As for the British way of life, you say you are the average BRIT, if you are the average BRIT maybe you could share with us your lifestyle. Is it watching t v soaps all day? Is it hard working ? Are you on dole? Are you a home owner do you rent? Do you have a family, are you in a same sex relationship? Tell me who / what is an average BRIT. Then i will tell you about the real BRITISH way of life. As for leaving this country when labour was going to win the G/E a lot of well know (stars) said they would leave the country , sadly they never did i expect your the same ![/p][/quote]If my lifestyle interests you, then no I do not watch soaps all day (they are for people with no imagination to do anything else), I work hard running my own business so I am not a benefit scrounger, I own my own house, I have a family and am not gay. So, looking at society nowadays maybe I am not average Brit afterall. However, I still thing Farage is a clown, and I WOULD leave the country if he ever became leader. I have the means to do so.[/p][/quote]The Airport is that-a-way...[/p][/quote]Sorry - you appear to have not read my post properly. I'm quite happy where I am at the moment thanks. Will probably stay here too, as the chance of Farage actually becoming the leader of this country are tiny, thank God. People may vote for him in the Euro's just to make a point, but at real election time they want someone who offers more than just blaming all our problems on immigrants or the EU. Standing around grinning with his pint and his cigarette may make him appeal to some, but most sensible people would not trust him with the keys. livid99
  • Score: -3

11:35am Mon 31 Mar 14

cj07589 says...

dogloverdorset wrote:
That will Poland - the country that bravely sent young men to fight and die for us in WW2? Dreadful people.....
Your history knowledge is sadly lacking. As Poland was invaded and occupied by Germany the Polish combatants remaining were effectively a proxy force fighting alongside the allies. The Polish pilots in particular were well regarded in the Battle of Britain however to claim they were fighting exclusively for us in WW2 is disingenuous and a stretch of the real fact that their primary objective was to rid their country of German occupation first and foremost.
Another person who persists to doctrine history to suit their personal agenda and argument.
[quote][p][bold]dogloverdorset[/bold] wrote: That will Poland - the country that bravely sent young men to fight and die for us in WW2? Dreadful people.....[/p][/quote]Your history knowledge is sadly lacking. As Poland was invaded and occupied by Germany the Polish combatants remaining were effectively a proxy force fighting alongside the allies. The Polish pilots in particular were well regarded in the Battle of Britain however to claim they were fighting exclusively for us in WW2 is disingenuous and a stretch of the real fact that their primary objective was to rid their country of German occupation first and foremost. Another person who persists to doctrine history to suit their personal agenda and argument. cj07589
  • Score: 3

11:38am Mon 31 Mar 14

Sigurd Hoberth says...

livid99 wrote:
Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
livid99 wrote:
cosmick wrote:
livid99 wrote:
cosmick wrote:
Well wake up then. Thats your money they are spending, in the case of the police it must be because these people were arrested or spoken to in connection with law breaking. As for the NHS i got a letter from the NHS one side ENGLISH, other sideWAIT FOR IT!
ALBANIAN
ARABIC
BENGALI
CHINESE
FARSI
GUJARATI
HINDI
POLISH
PORTUGESE
PUNJABI
SOMALI
TURKISH
URDU.
Your money used to give this service, if when they came to our country they where only allowed in if they could speak ENGLISH what could we do with the money saved?
The money spent has not included the cost of the courts which really rockets up.
As for UKIP i went to the AGM last night and it seems we are doing very well at the moment with the biggest rise in members in the last 4 weeks.
So remember if you want to retain the BRITISH way of life and withdraw from the E/U VOTE UKIP!
OK let the debate begin.
Yawn.....Presumably you are one of those people who go on holiday to Spain, or Greece or Turkey and can automatically speak the language of these countries fluently ? If not, why not ? And if you cannot, presumably you rely on translations while you are there ?
And what is this BRITISH way of life ? How do you define it ???
I watched Farage on the TV debate, and while I am certainly no fan of Nick Clegg, every time Farage opened his huge grinning mouth I just cringed and felt the urge to chuck my dinner at him. If he thinks he represents the average Brit - of which I am one - then he is wrong. If he ever wins the election, I will become an immigrant in another country.
Dont presume i go anywhere on holiday. You can presume what you like that is not the same as knowing the facts.
As for the British way of life, you say you are the average BRIT, if you are the average BRIT maybe you could share with us your lifestyle. Is it watching t v soaps all day? Is it hard working ? Are you on dole? Are you a home owner do you rent? Do you have a family, are you in a same sex relationship? Tell me who / what is an average BRIT.
Then i will tell you about the real BRITISH way of life.
As for leaving this country when labour was going to win the G/E a lot of well know (stars) said they would leave the country , sadly they never did i expect your the same !
If my lifestyle interests you, then no I do not watch soaps all day (they are for people with no imagination to do anything else), I work hard running my own business so I am not a benefit scrounger, I own my own house, I have a family and am not gay. So, looking at society nowadays maybe I am not average Brit afterall. However, I still thing Farage is a clown, and I WOULD leave the country if he ever became leader. I have the means to do so.
The Airport is that-a-way...
Sorry - you appear to have not read my post properly. I'm quite happy where I am at the moment thanks. Will probably stay here too, as the chance of Farage actually becoming the leader of this country are tiny, thank God. People may vote for him in the Euro's just to make a point, but at real election time they want someone who offers more than just blaming all our problems on immigrants or the EU. Standing around grinning with his pint and his cigarette may make him appeal to some, but most sensible people would not trust him with the keys.
Then you obviously have no backbone and do not like your own country, I am sure you will not be missed if you do. As always with people like yourself, you have no answers only obfuscation. At least UKIP is giving a different option from the never ending three party cycle that the REAL fruitcakes vote for :-)
[quote][p][bold]livid99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]livid99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]livid99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: Well wake up then. Thats your money they are spending, in the case of the police it must be because these people were arrested or spoken to in connection with law breaking. As for the NHS i got a letter from the NHS one side ENGLISH, other sideWAIT FOR IT! ALBANIAN ARABIC BENGALI CHINESE FARSI GUJARATI HINDI POLISH PORTUGESE PUNJABI SOMALI TURKISH URDU. Your money used to give this service, if when they came to our country they where only allowed in if they could speak ENGLISH what could we do with the money saved? The money spent has not included the cost of the courts which really rockets up. As for UKIP i went to the AGM last night and it seems we are doing very well at the moment with the biggest rise in members in the last 4 weeks. So remember if you want to retain the BRITISH way of life and withdraw from the E/U VOTE UKIP! OK let the debate begin.[/p][/quote]Yawn.....Presumably you are one of those people who go on holiday to Spain, or Greece or Turkey and can automatically speak the language of these countries fluently ? If not, why not ? And if you cannot, presumably you rely on translations while you are there ? And what is this BRITISH way of life ? How do you define it ??? I watched Farage on the TV debate, and while I am certainly no fan of Nick Clegg, every time Farage opened his huge grinning mouth I just cringed and felt the urge to chuck my dinner at him. If he thinks he represents the average Brit - of which I am one - then he is wrong. If he ever wins the election, I will become an immigrant in another country.[/p][/quote]Dont presume i go anywhere on holiday. You can presume what you like that is not the same as knowing the facts. As for the British way of life, you say you are the average BRIT, if you are the average BRIT maybe you could share with us your lifestyle. Is it watching t v soaps all day? Is it hard working ? Are you on dole? Are you a home owner do you rent? Do you have a family, are you in a same sex relationship? Tell me who / what is an average BRIT. Then i will tell you about the real BRITISH way of life. As for leaving this country when labour was going to win the G/E a lot of well know (stars) said they would leave the country , sadly they never did i expect your the same ![/p][/quote]If my lifestyle interests you, then no I do not watch soaps all day (they are for people with no imagination to do anything else), I work hard running my own business so I am not a benefit scrounger, I own my own house, I have a family and am not gay. So, looking at society nowadays maybe I am not average Brit afterall. However, I still thing Farage is a clown, and I WOULD leave the country if he ever became leader. I have the means to do so.[/p][/quote]The Airport is that-a-way...[/p][/quote]Sorry - you appear to have not read my post properly. I'm quite happy where I am at the moment thanks. Will probably stay here too, as the chance of Farage actually becoming the leader of this country are tiny, thank God. People may vote for him in the Euro's just to make a point, but at real election time they want someone who offers more than just blaming all our problems on immigrants or the EU. Standing around grinning with his pint and his cigarette may make him appeal to some, but most sensible people would not trust him with the keys.[/p][/quote]Then you obviously have no backbone and do not like your own country, I am sure you will not be missed if you do. As always with people like yourself, you have no answers only obfuscation. At least UKIP is giving a different option from the never ending three party cycle that the REAL fruitcakes vote for :-) Sigurd Hoberth
  • Score: 2

11:42am Mon 31 Mar 14

livid99 says...

Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
livid99 wrote:
Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
livid99 wrote:
cosmick wrote:
livid99 wrote:
cosmick wrote:
Well wake up then. Thats your money they are spending, in the case of the police it must be because these people were arrested or spoken to in connection with law breaking. As for the NHS i got a letter from the NHS one side ENGLISH, other sideWAIT FOR IT!
ALBANIAN
ARABIC
BENGALI
CHINESE
FARSI
GUJARATI
HINDI
POLISH
PORTUGESE
PUNJABI
SOMALI
TURKISH
URDU.
Your money used to give this service, if when they came to our country they where only allowed in if they could speak ENGLISH what could we do with the money saved?
The money spent has not included the cost of the courts which really rockets up.
As for UKIP i went to the AGM last night and it seems we are doing very well at the moment with the biggest rise in members in the last 4 weeks.
So remember if you want to retain the BRITISH way of life and withdraw from the E/U VOTE UKIP!
OK let the debate begin.
Yawn.....Presumably you are one of those people who go on holiday to Spain, or Greece or Turkey and can automatically speak the language of these countries fluently ? If not, why not ? And if you cannot, presumably you rely on translations while you are there ?
And what is this BRITISH way of life ? How do you define it ???
I watched Farage on the TV debate, and while I am certainly no fan of Nick Clegg, every time Farage opened his huge grinning mouth I just cringed and felt the urge to chuck my dinner at him. If he thinks he represents the average Brit - of which I am one - then he is wrong. If he ever wins the election, I will become an immigrant in another country.
Dont presume i go anywhere on holiday. You can presume what you like that is not the same as knowing the facts.
As for the British way of life, you say you are the average BRIT, if you are the average BRIT maybe you could share with us your lifestyle. Is it watching t v soaps all day? Is it hard working ? Are you on dole? Are you a home owner do you rent? Do you have a family, are you in a same sex relationship? Tell me who / what is an average BRIT.
Then i will tell you about the real BRITISH way of life.
As for leaving this country when labour was going to win the G/E a lot of well know (stars) said they would leave the country , sadly they never did i expect your the same !
If my lifestyle interests you, then no I do not watch soaps all day (they are for people with no imagination to do anything else), I work hard running my own business so I am not a benefit scrounger, I own my own house, I have a family and am not gay. So, looking at society nowadays maybe I am not average Brit afterall. However, I still thing Farage is a clown, and I WOULD leave the country if he ever became leader. I have the means to do so.
The Airport is that-a-way...
Sorry - you appear to have not read my post properly. I'm quite happy where I am at the moment thanks. Will probably stay here too, as the chance of Farage actually becoming the leader of this country are tiny, thank God. People may vote for him in the Euro's just to make a point, but at real election time they want someone who offers more than just blaming all our problems on immigrants or the EU. Standing around grinning with his pint and his cigarette may make him appeal to some, but most sensible people would not trust him with the keys.
Then you obviously have no backbone and do not like your own country, I am sure you will not be missed if you do. As always with people like yourself, you have no answers only obfuscation. At least UKIP is giving a different option from the never ending three party cycle that the REAL fruitcakes vote for :-)
Hahaha..... ok.
[quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]livid99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]livid99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]livid99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: Well wake up then. Thats your money they are spending, in the case of the police it must be because these people were arrested or spoken to in connection with law breaking. As for the NHS i got a letter from the NHS one side ENGLISH, other sideWAIT FOR IT! ALBANIAN ARABIC BENGALI CHINESE FARSI GUJARATI HINDI POLISH PORTUGESE PUNJABI SOMALI TURKISH URDU. Your money used to give this service, if when they came to our country they where only allowed in if they could speak ENGLISH what could we do with the money saved? The money spent has not included the cost of the courts which really rockets up. As for UKIP i went to the AGM last night and it seems we are doing very well at the moment with the biggest rise in members in the last 4 weeks. So remember if you want to retain the BRITISH way of life and withdraw from the E/U VOTE UKIP! OK let the debate begin.[/p][/quote]Yawn.....Presumably you are one of those people who go on holiday to Spain, or Greece or Turkey and can automatically speak the language of these countries fluently ? If not, why not ? And if you cannot, presumably you rely on translations while you are there ? And what is this BRITISH way of life ? How do you define it ??? I watched Farage on the TV debate, and while I am certainly no fan of Nick Clegg, every time Farage opened his huge grinning mouth I just cringed and felt the urge to chuck my dinner at him. If he thinks he represents the average Brit - of which I am one - then he is wrong. If he ever wins the election, I will become an immigrant in another country.[/p][/quote]Dont presume i go anywhere on holiday. You can presume what you like that is not the same as knowing the facts. As for the British way of life, you say you are the average BRIT, if you are the average BRIT maybe you could share with us your lifestyle. Is it watching t v soaps all day? Is it hard working ? Are you on dole? Are you a home owner do you rent? Do you have a family, are you in a same sex relationship? Tell me who / what is an average BRIT. Then i will tell you about the real BRITISH way of life. As for leaving this country when labour was going to win the G/E a lot of well know (stars) said they would leave the country , sadly they never did i expect your the same ![/p][/quote]If my lifestyle interests you, then no I do not watch soaps all day (they are for people with no imagination to do anything else), I work hard running my own business so I am not a benefit scrounger, I own my own house, I have a family and am not gay. So, looking at society nowadays maybe I am not average Brit afterall. However, I still thing Farage is a clown, and I WOULD leave the country if he ever became leader. I have the means to do so.[/p][/quote]The Airport is that-a-way...[/p][/quote]Sorry - you appear to have not read my post properly. I'm quite happy where I am at the moment thanks. Will probably stay here too, as the chance of Farage actually becoming the leader of this country are tiny, thank God. People may vote for him in the Euro's just to make a point, but at real election time they want someone who offers more than just blaming all our problems on immigrants or the EU. Standing around grinning with his pint and his cigarette may make him appeal to some, but most sensible people would not trust him with the keys.[/p][/quote]Then you obviously have no backbone and do not like your own country, I am sure you will not be missed if you do. As always with people like yourself, you have no answers only obfuscation. At least UKIP is giving a different option from the never ending three party cycle that the REAL fruitcakes vote for :-)[/p][/quote]Hahaha..... ok. livid99
  • Score: 0

11:43am Mon 31 Mar 14

Sigurd Hoberth says...

cj07589 wrote:
dogloverdorset wrote:
That will Poland - the country that bravely sent young men to fight and die for us in WW2? Dreadful people.....
Your history knowledge is sadly lacking. As Poland was invaded and occupied by Germany the Polish combatants remaining were effectively a proxy force fighting alongside the allies. The Polish pilots in particular were well regarded in the Battle of Britain however to claim they were fighting exclusively for us in WW2 is disingenuous and a stretch of the real fact that their primary objective was to rid their country of German occupation first and foremost.
Another person who persists to doctrine history to suit their personal agenda and argument.
Yes that is what I was getting at when they claimed THEY fought for US, sorry but that is a crock of .... Nobody disrespects those who fought but saying that is quite wrong and that was the point. Still I am sure that will not stop a few on here trying to manipulate the flow of things with emotive statements and obfuscation. Usual tactics.
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dogloverdorset[/bold] wrote: That will Poland - the country that bravely sent young men to fight and die for us in WW2? Dreadful people.....[/p][/quote]Your history knowledge is sadly lacking. As Poland was invaded and occupied by Germany the Polish combatants remaining were effectively a proxy force fighting alongside the allies. The Polish pilots in particular were well regarded in the Battle of Britain however to claim they were fighting exclusively for us in WW2 is disingenuous and a stretch of the real fact that their primary objective was to rid their country of German occupation first and foremost. Another person who persists to doctrine history to suit their personal agenda and argument.[/p][/quote]Yes that is what I was getting at when they claimed THEY fought for US, sorry but that is a crock of .... Nobody disrespects those who fought but saying that is quite wrong and that was the point. Still I am sure that will not stop a few on here trying to manipulate the flow of things with emotive statements and obfuscation. Usual tactics. Sigurd Hoberth
  • Score: -4

11:45am Mon 31 Mar 14

Sigurd Hoberth says...

livid99 wrote:
Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
livid99 wrote:
Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
livid99 wrote:
cosmick wrote:
livid99 wrote:
cosmick wrote:
Well wake up then. Thats your money they are spending, in the case of the police it must be because these people were arrested or spoken to in connection with law breaking. As for the NHS i got a letter from the NHS one side ENGLISH, other sideWAIT FOR IT!
ALBANIAN
ARABIC
BENGALI
CHINESE
FARSI
GUJARATI
HINDI
POLISH
PORTUGESE
PUNJABI
SOMALI
TURKISH
URDU.
Your money used to give this service, if when they came to our country they where only allowed in if they could speak ENGLISH what could we do with the money saved?
The money spent has not included the cost of the courts which really rockets up.
As for UKIP i went to the AGM last night and it seems we are doing very well at the moment with the biggest rise in members in the last 4 weeks.
So remember if you want to retain the BRITISH way of life and withdraw from the E/U VOTE UKIP!
OK let the debate begin.
Yawn.....Presumably you are one of those people who go on holiday to Spain, or Greece or Turkey and can automatically speak the language of these countries fluently ? If not, why not ? And if you cannot, presumably you rely on translations while you are there ?
And what is this BRITISH way of life ? How do you define it ???
I watched Farage on the TV debate, and while I am certainly no fan of Nick Clegg, every time Farage opened his huge grinning mouth I just cringed and felt the urge to chuck my dinner at him. If he thinks he represents the average Brit - of which I am one - then he is wrong. If he ever wins the election, I will become an immigrant in another country.
Dont presume i go anywhere on holiday. You can presume what you like that is not the same as knowing the facts.
As for the British way of life, you say you are the average BRIT, if you are the average BRIT maybe you could share with us your lifestyle. Is it watching t v soaps all day? Is it hard working ? Are you on dole? Are you a home owner do you rent? Do you have a family, are you in a same sex relationship? Tell me who / what is an average BRIT.
Then i will tell you about the real BRITISH way of life.
As for leaving this country when labour was going to win the G/E a lot of well know (stars) said they would leave the country , sadly they never did i expect your the same !
If my lifestyle interests you, then no I do not watch soaps all day (they are for people with no imagination to do anything else), I work hard running my own business so I am not a benefit scrounger, I own my own house, I have a family and am not gay. So, looking at society nowadays maybe I am not average Brit afterall. However, I still thing Farage is a clown, and I WOULD leave the country if he ever became leader. I have the means to do so.
The Airport is that-a-way...
Sorry - you appear to have not read my post properly. I'm quite happy where I am at the moment thanks. Will probably stay here too, as the chance of Farage actually becoming the leader of this country are tiny, thank God. People may vote for him in the Euro's just to make a point, but at real election time they want someone who offers more than just blaming all our problems on immigrants or the EU. Standing around grinning with his pint and his cigarette may make him appeal to some, but most sensible people would not trust him with the keys.
Then you obviously have no backbone and do not like your own country, I am sure you will not be missed if you do. As always with people like yourself, you have no answers only obfuscation. At least UKIP is giving a different option from the never ending three party cycle that the REAL fruitcakes vote for :-)
Hahaha..... ok.
Yes with that response , I think that settles that.
[quote][p][bold]livid99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]livid99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]livid99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]livid99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: Well wake up then. Thats your money they are spending, in the case of the police it must be because these people were arrested or spoken to in connection with law breaking. As for the NHS i got a letter from the NHS one side ENGLISH, other sideWAIT FOR IT! ALBANIAN ARABIC BENGALI CHINESE FARSI GUJARATI HINDI POLISH PORTUGESE PUNJABI SOMALI TURKISH URDU. Your money used to give this service, if when they came to our country they where only allowed in if they could speak ENGLISH what could we do with the money saved? The money spent has not included the cost of the courts which really rockets up. As for UKIP i went to the AGM last night and it seems we are doing very well at the moment with the biggest rise in members in the last 4 weeks. So remember if you want to retain the BRITISH way of life and withdraw from the E/U VOTE UKIP! OK let the debate begin.[/p][/quote]Yawn.....Presumably you are one of those people who go on holiday to Spain, or Greece or Turkey and can automatically speak the language of these countries fluently ? If not, why not ? And if you cannot, presumably you rely on translations while you are there ? And what is this BRITISH way of life ? How do you define it ??? I watched Farage on the TV debate, and while I am certainly no fan of Nick Clegg, every time Farage opened his huge grinning mouth I just cringed and felt the urge to chuck my dinner at him. If he thinks he represents the average Brit - of which I am one - then he is wrong. If he ever wins the election, I will become an immigrant in another country.[/p][/quote]Dont presume i go anywhere on holiday. You can presume what you like that is not the same as knowing the facts. As for the British way of life, you say you are the average BRIT, if you are the average BRIT maybe you could share with us your lifestyle. Is it watching t v soaps all day? Is it hard working ? Are you on dole? Are you a home owner do you rent? Do you have a family, are you in a same sex relationship? Tell me who / what is an average BRIT. Then i will tell you about the real BRITISH way of life. As for leaving this country when labour was going to win the G/E a lot of well know (stars) said they would leave the country , sadly they never did i expect your the same ![/p][/quote]If my lifestyle interests you, then no I do not watch soaps all day (they are for people with no imagination to do anything else), I work hard running my own business so I am not a benefit scrounger, I own my own house, I have a family and am not gay. So, looking at society nowadays maybe I am not average Brit afterall. However, I still thing Farage is a clown, and I WOULD leave the country if he ever became leader. I have the means to do so.[/p][/quote]The Airport is that-a-way...[/p][/quote]Sorry - you appear to have not read my post properly. I'm quite happy where I am at the moment thanks. Will probably stay here too, as the chance of Farage actually becoming the leader of this country are tiny, thank God. People may vote for him in the Euro's just to make a point, but at real election time they want someone who offers more than just blaming all our problems on immigrants or the EU. Standing around grinning with his pint and his cigarette may make him appeal to some, but most sensible people would not trust him with the keys.[/p][/quote]Then you obviously have no backbone and do not like your own country, I am sure you will not be missed if you do. As always with people like yourself, you have no answers only obfuscation. At least UKIP is giving a different option from the never ending three party cycle that the REAL fruitcakes vote for :-)[/p][/quote]Hahaha..... ok.[/p][/quote]Yes with that response , I think that settles that. Sigurd Hoberth
  • Score: -1

12:01pm Mon 31 Mar 14

livid99 says...

Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
livid99 wrote:
Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
livid99 wrote:
Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
livid99 wrote:
cosmick wrote:
livid99 wrote:
cosmick wrote:
Well wake up then. Thats your money they are spending, in the case of the police it must be because these people were arrested or spoken to in connection with law breaking. As for the NHS i got a letter from the NHS one side ENGLISH, other sideWAIT FOR IT!
ALBANIAN
ARABIC
BENGALI
CHINESE
FARSI
GUJARATI
HINDI
POLISH
PORTUGESE
PUNJABI
SOMALI
TURKISH
URDU.
Your money used to give this service, if when they came to our country they where only allowed in if they could speak ENGLISH what could we do with the money saved?
The money spent has not included the cost of the courts which really rockets up.
As for UKIP i went to the AGM last night and it seems we are doing very well at the moment with the biggest rise in members in the last 4 weeks.
So remember if you want to retain the BRITISH way of life and withdraw from the E/U VOTE UKIP!
OK let the debate begin.
Yawn.....Presumably you are one of those people who go on holiday to Spain, or Greece or Turkey and can automatically speak the language of these countries fluently ? If not, why not ? And if you cannot, presumably you rely on translations while you are there ?
And what is this BRITISH way of life ? How do you define it ???
I watched Farage on the TV debate, and while I am certainly no fan of Nick Clegg, every time Farage opened his huge grinning mouth I just cringed and felt the urge to chuck my dinner at him. If he thinks he represents the average Brit - of which I am one - then he is wrong. If he ever wins the election, I will become an immigrant in another country.
Dont presume i go anywhere on holiday. You can presume what you like that is not the same as knowing the facts.
As for the British way of life, you say you are the average BRIT, if you are the average BRIT maybe you could share with us your lifestyle. Is it watching t v soaps all day? Is it hard working ? Are you on dole? Are you a home owner do you rent? Do you have a family, are you in a same sex relationship? Tell me who / what is an average BRIT.
Then i will tell you about the real BRITISH way of life.
As for leaving this country when labour was going to win the G/E a lot of well know (stars) said they would leave the country , sadly they never did i expect your the same !
If my lifestyle interests you, then no I do not watch soaps all day (they are for people with no imagination to do anything else), I work hard running my own business so I am not a benefit scrounger, I own my own house, I have a family and am not gay. So, looking at society nowadays maybe I am not average Brit afterall. However, I still thing Farage is a clown, and I WOULD leave the country if he ever became leader. I have the means to do so.
The Airport is that-a-way...
Sorry - you appear to have not read my post properly. I'm quite happy where I am at the moment thanks. Will probably stay here too, as the chance of Farage actually becoming the leader of this country are tiny, thank God. People may vote for him in the Euro's just to make a point, but at real election time they want someone who offers more than just blaming all our problems on immigrants or the EU. Standing around grinning with his pint and his cigarette may make him appeal to some, but most sensible people would not trust him with the keys.
Then you obviously have no backbone and do not like your own country, I am sure you will not be missed if you do. As always with people like yourself, you have no answers only obfuscation. At least UKIP is giving a different option from the never ending three party cycle that the REAL fruitcakes vote for :-)
Hahaha..... ok.
Yes with that response , I think that settles that.
That response was to your assumption that you know me and what I think. A laugh was all it was worth matey, and your predictable response to this comment will be worth even less.
[quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]livid99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]livid99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]livid99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]livid99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: Well wake up then. Thats your money they are spending, in the case of the police it must be because these people were arrested or spoken to in connection with law breaking. As for the NHS i got a letter from the NHS one side ENGLISH, other sideWAIT FOR IT! ALBANIAN ARABIC BENGALI CHINESE FARSI GUJARATI HINDI POLISH PORTUGESE PUNJABI SOMALI TURKISH URDU. Your money used to give this service, if when they came to our country they where only allowed in if they could speak ENGLISH what could we do with the money saved? The money spent has not included the cost of the courts which really rockets up. As for UKIP i went to the AGM last night and it seems we are doing very well at the moment with the biggest rise in members in the last 4 weeks. So remember if you want to retain the BRITISH way of life and withdraw from the E/U VOTE UKIP! OK let the debate begin.[/p][/quote]Yawn.....Presumably you are one of those people who go on holiday to Spain, or Greece or Turkey and can automatically speak the language of these countries fluently ? If not, why not ? And if you cannot, presumably you rely on translations while you are there ? And what is this BRITISH way of life ? How do you define it ??? I watched Farage on the TV debate, and while I am certainly no fan of Nick Clegg, every time Farage opened his huge grinning mouth I just cringed and felt the urge to chuck my dinner at him. If he thinks he represents the average Brit - of which I am one - then he is wrong. If he ever wins the election, I will become an immigrant in another country.[/p][/quote]Dont presume i go anywhere on holiday. You can presume what you like that is not the same as knowing the facts. As for the British way of life, you say you are the average BRIT, if you are the average BRIT maybe you could share with us your lifestyle. Is it watching t v soaps all day? Is it hard working ? Are you on dole? Are you a home owner do you rent? Do you have a family, are you in a same sex relationship? Tell me who / what is an average BRIT. Then i will tell you about the real BRITISH way of life. As for leaving this country when labour was going to win the G/E a lot of well know (stars) said they would leave the country , sadly they never did i expect your the same ![/p][/quote]If my lifestyle interests you, then no I do not watch soaps all day (they are for people with no imagination to do anything else), I work hard running my own business so I am not a benefit scrounger, I own my own house, I have a family and am not gay. So, looking at society nowadays maybe I am not average Brit afterall. However, I still thing Farage is a clown, and I WOULD leave the country if he ever became leader. I have the means to do so.[/p][/quote]The Airport is that-a-way...[/p][/quote]Sorry - you appear to have not read my post properly. I'm quite happy where I am at the moment thanks. Will probably stay here too, as the chance of Farage actually becoming the leader of this country are tiny, thank God. People may vote for him in the Euro's just to make a point, but at real election time they want someone who offers more than just blaming all our problems on immigrants or the EU. Standing around grinning with his pint and his cigarette may make him appeal to some, but most sensible people would not trust him with the keys.[/p][/quote]Then you obviously have no backbone and do not like your own country, I am sure you will not be missed if you do. As always with people like yourself, you have no answers only obfuscation. At least UKIP is giving a different option from the never ending three party cycle that the REAL fruitcakes vote for :-)[/p][/quote]Hahaha..... ok.[/p][/quote]Yes with that response , I think that settles that.[/p][/quote]That response was to your assumption that you know me and what I think. A laugh was all it was worth matey, and your predictable response to this comment will be worth even less. livid99
  • Score: 0

12:21pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Sigurd Hoberth says...

For those who want to know more facts why we need to get out of Europe

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  • Score: 3

12:25pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Sigurd Hoberth says...

livid99 wrote:
Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
livid99 wrote:
Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
livid99 wrote:
Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
livid99 wrote:
cosmick wrote:
livid99 wrote:
cosmick wrote:
Well wake up then. Thats your money they are spending, in the case of the police it must be because these people were arrested or spoken to in connection with law breaking. As for the NHS i got a letter from the NHS one side ENGLISH, other sideWAIT FOR IT!
ALBANIAN
ARABIC
BENGALI
CHINESE
FARSI
GUJARATI
HINDI
POLISH
PORTUGESE
PUNJABI
SOMALI
TURKISH
URDU.
Your money used to give this service, if when they came to our country they where only allowed in if they could speak ENGLISH what could we do with the money saved?
The money spent has not included the cost of the courts which really rockets up.
As for UKIP i went to the AGM last night and it seems we are doing very well at the moment with the biggest rise in members in the last 4 weeks.
So remember if you want to retain the BRITISH way of life and withdraw from the E/U VOTE UKIP!
OK let the debate begin.
Yawn.....Presumably you are one of those people who go on holiday to Spain, or Greece or Turkey and can automatically speak the language of these countries fluently ? If not, why not ? And if you cannot, presumably you rely on translations while you are there ?
And what is this BRITISH way of life ? How do you define it ???
I watched Farage on the TV debate, and while I am certainly no fan of Nick Clegg, every time Farage opened his huge grinning mouth I just cringed and felt the urge to chuck my dinner at him. If he thinks he represents the average Brit - of which I am one - then he is wrong. If he ever wins the election, I will become an immigrant in another country.
Dont presume i go anywhere on holiday. You can presume what you like that is not the same as knowing the facts.
As for the British way of life, you say you are the average BRIT, if you are the average BRIT maybe you could share with us your lifestyle. Is it watching t v soaps all day? Is it hard working ? Are you on dole? Are you a home owner do you rent? Do you have a family, are you in a same sex relationship? Tell me who / what is an average BRIT.
Then i will tell you about the real BRITISH way of life.
As for leaving this country when labour was going to win the G/E a lot of well know (stars) said they would leave the country , sadly they never did i expect your the same !
If my lifestyle interests you, then no I do not watch soaps all day (they are for people with no imagination to do anything else), I work hard running my own business so I am not a benefit scrounger, I own my own house, I have a family and am not gay. So, looking at society nowadays maybe I am not average Brit afterall. However, I still thing Farage is a clown, and I WOULD leave the country if he ever became leader. I have the means to do so.
The Airport is that-a-way...
Sorry - you appear to have not read my post properly. I'm quite happy where I am at the moment thanks. Will probably stay here too, as the chance of Farage actually becoming the leader of this country are tiny, thank God. People may vote for him in the Euro's just to make a point, but at real election time they want someone who offers more than just blaming all our problems on immigrants or the EU. Standing around grinning with his pint and his cigarette may make him appeal to some, but most sensible people would not trust him with the keys.
Then you obviously have no backbone and do not like your own country, I am sure you will not be missed if you do. As always with people like yourself, you have no answers only obfuscation. At least UKIP is giving a different option from the never ending three party cycle that the REAL fruitcakes vote for :-)
Hahaha..... ok.
Yes with that response , I think that settles that.
That response was to your assumption that you know me and what I think. A laugh was all it was worth matey, and your predictable response to this comment will be worth even less.
My response was given only to the statement you made, "if UKIP become leaders i would leave the country" To which I said in that case you obviously do not like your own country and have no backbone,

I stand by my response absolutely.
[quote][p][bold]livid99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]livid99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]livid99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]livid99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]livid99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: Well wake up then. Thats your money they are spending, in the case of the police it must be because these people were arrested or spoken to in connection with law breaking. As for the NHS i got a letter from the NHS one side ENGLISH, other sideWAIT FOR IT! ALBANIAN ARABIC BENGALI CHINESE FARSI GUJARATI HINDI POLISH PORTUGESE PUNJABI SOMALI TURKISH URDU. Your money used to give this service, if when they came to our country they where only allowed in if they could speak ENGLISH what could we do with the money saved? The money spent has not included the cost of the courts which really rockets up. As for UKIP i went to the AGM last night and it seems we are doing very well at the moment with the biggest rise in members in the last 4 weeks. So remember if you want to retain the BRITISH way of life and withdraw from the E/U VOTE UKIP! OK let the debate begin.[/p][/quote]Yawn.....Presumably you are one of those people who go on holiday to Spain, or Greece or Turkey and can automatically speak the language of these countries fluently ? If not, why not ? And if you cannot, presumably you rely on translations while you are there ? And what is this BRITISH way of life ? How do you define it ??? I watched Farage on the TV debate, and while I am certainly no fan of Nick Clegg, every time Farage opened his huge grinning mouth I just cringed and felt the urge to chuck my dinner at him. If he thinks he represents the average Brit - of which I am one - then he is wrong. If he ever wins the election, I will become an immigrant in another country.[/p][/quote]Dont presume i go anywhere on holiday. You can presume what you like that is not the same as knowing the facts. As for the British way of life, you say you are the average BRIT, if you are the average BRIT maybe you could share with us your lifestyle. Is it watching t v soaps all day? Is it hard working ? Are you on dole? Are you a home owner do you rent? Do you have a family, are you in a same sex relationship? Tell me who / what is an average BRIT. Then i will tell you about the real BRITISH way of life. As for leaving this country when labour was going to win the G/E a lot of well know (stars) said they would leave the country , sadly they never did i expect your the same ![/p][/quote]If my lifestyle interests you, then no I do not watch soaps all day (they are for people with no imagination to do anything else), I work hard running my own business so I am not a benefit scrounger, I own my own house, I have a family and am not gay. So, looking at society nowadays maybe I am not average Brit afterall. However, I still thing Farage is a clown, and I WOULD leave the country if he ever became leader. I have the means to do so.[/p][/quote]The Airport is that-a-way...[/p][/quote]Sorry - you appear to have not read my post properly. I'm quite happy where I am at the moment thanks. Will probably stay here too, as the chance of Farage actually becoming the leader of this country are tiny, thank God. People may vote for him in the Euro's just to make a point, but at real election time they want someone who offers more than just blaming all our problems on immigrants or the EU. Standing around grinning with his pint and his cigarette may make him appeal to some, but most sensible people would not trust him with the keys.[/p][/quote]Then you obviously have no backbone and do not like your own country, I am sure you will not be missed if you do. As always with people like yourself, you have no answers only obfuscation. At least UKIP is giving a different option from the never ending three party cycle that the REAL fruitcakes vote for :-)[/p][/quote]Hahaha..... ok.[/p][/quote]Yes with that response , I think that settles that.[/p][/quote]That response was to your assumption that you know me and what I think. A laugh was all it was worth matey, and your predictable response to this comment will be worth even less.[/p][/quote]My response was given only to the statement you made, "if UKIP become leaders i would leave the country" To which I said in that case you obviously do not like your own country and have no backbone, I stand by my response absolutely. Sigurd Hoberth
  • Score: 2

12:47pm Mon 31 Mar 14

UKIPpers says...

I only really came here to put the Nazi speech up, and laugh heartily at the UKIP supporters who championed it as if Fuhrer Farage has spoken it himself, so I will depart now. (yes please do post a comment declaring some kind of victory, the fact is I don't have time to post 900+ comments on a website as per Mr Hoberth).

I thought UKIP supporters were clowns before I came here. I'm certain of it now. Enjoy your five minutes of fame, and keep peddling those blinkered, bigoted tactics. They really are worthy of a Scientology award.

Fairwell Sigurd, you crazy right wing clown. Fight those immigrants, on the beaches, in the air and in the post office queue. Auf Wiedersehen.
I only really came here to put the Nazi speech up, and laugh heartily at the UKIP supporters who championed it as if Fuhrer Farage has spoken it himself, so I will depart now. (yes please do post a comment declaring some kind of victory, the fact is I don't have time to post 900+ comments on a website as per Mr Hoberth). I thought UKIP supporters were clowns before I came here. I'm certain of it now. Enjoy your five minutes of fame, and keep peddling those blinkered, bigoted tactics. They really are worthy of a Scientology award. Fairwell Sigurd, you crazy right wing clown. Fight those immigrants, on the beaches, in the air and in the post office queue. Auf Wiedersehen. UKIPpers
  • Score: -4

1:29pm Mon 31 Mar 14

cj07589 says...

UKIPpers wrote:
I only really came here to put the Nazi speech up, and laugh heartily at the UKIP supporters who championed it as if Fuhrer Farage has spoken it himself, so I will depart now. (yes please do post a comment declaring some kind of victory, the fact is I don't have time to post 900+ comments on a website as per Mr Hoberth).

I thought UKIP supporters were clowns before I came here. I'm certain of it now. Enjoy your five minutes of fame, and keep peddling those blinkered, bigoted tactics. They really are worthy of a Scientology award.

Fairwell Sigurd, you crazy right wing clown. Fight those immigrants, on the beaches, in the air and in the post office queue. Auf Wiedersehen.
The only clown here is you! Typical left wing bigotry how apt, perhaps you'd like to put your head in the sand whilst the rest of the adults enjoy the discussion.
[quote][p][bold]UKIPpers[/bold] wrote: I only really came here to put the Nazi speech up, and laugh heartily at the UKIP supporters who championed it as if Fuhrer Farage has spoken it himself, so I will depart now. (yes please do post a comment declaring some kind of victory, the fact is I don't have time to post 900+ comments on a website as per Mr Hoberth). I thought UKIP supporters were clowns before I came here. I'm certain of it now. Enjoy your five minutes of fame, and keep peddling those blinkered, bigoted tactics. They really are worthy of a Scientology award. Fairwell Sigurd, you crazy right wing clown. Fight those immigrants, on the beaches, in the air and in the post office queue. Auf Wiedersehen.[/p][/quote]The only clown here is you! Typical left wing bigotry how apt, perhaps you'd like to put your head in the sand whilst the rest of the adults enjoy the discussion. cj07589
  • Score: 8

1:55pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Dorset stuff says...

I'm convinced the Echo like to dig around with and FOI to find some pointless statistics to stir people up. £1 million is a drop in the ocean and for the majority probably helped a great deal of people who needed help. I totally agree that if you are planning on visiting a country then you need to learn the basics of the local language, it's really not hard but when you are in a hospital for instance then the few odd phrases you learnt are not going to be enough. So an interpreter is a very valuable service. We live in a multi cultural world and we are better off for that. You can still live a British way of life, nobody is saying you cannot, but don't feel the need to impose that on everyone who comes to England. We should be more accepting, it's not the 50's anymore and it never will be again. I consider myself to be British but in reality I am part Norwegian, French, Welsh and British. So we started mixing our countries up long ago and long may it continue. To those UKIP supporters who think I am talking rubbish and we should close our borders then whatever, we all know your stance and we all have the choice to ignore you. Mieć ładny dzień
I'm convinced the Echo like to dig around with and FOI to find some pointless statistics to stir people up. £1 million is a drop in the ocean and for the majority probably helped a great deal of people who needed help. I totally agree that if you are planning on visiting a country then you need to learn the basics of the local language, it's really not hard but when you are in a hospital for instance then the few odd phrases you learnt are not going to be enough. So an interpreter is a very valuable service. We live in a multi cultural world and we are better off for that. You can still live a British way of life, nobody is saying you cannot, but don't feel the need to impose that on everyone who comes to England. We should be more accepting, it's not the 50's anymore and it never will be again. I consider myself to be British but in reality I am part Norwegian, French, Welsh and British. So we started mixing our countries up long ago and long may it continue. To those UKIP supporters who think I am talking rubbish and we should close our borders then whatever, we all know your stance and we all have the choice to ignore you. Mieć ładny dzień Dorset stuff
  • Score: -4

4:36pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Sigurd Hoberth says...

UKIP Leader Nigel Farage is the subject of a new Martin Durkin documentary, 'Nigel Farage: Who Are You?' broadcast tonight on Channel 4 at 7.30pm.

Nigel vs Nick (Round 2) on BBC2 on Wednesday evening at 7pm.
UKIP Leader Nigel Farage is the subject of a new Martin Durkin documentary, 'Nigel Farage: Who Are You?' broadcast tonight on Channel 4 at 7.30pm. Nigel vs Nick (Round 2) on BBC2 on Wednesday evening at 7pm. Sigurd Hoberth
  • Score: -1

4:57pm Mon 31 Mar 14

woodsedge says...

For those of you that want to avoid the PUKIP v Spineless on tv, I have some gloss paint drying around my house and you are more than welcome.
For those of you that want to avoid the PUKIP v Spineless on tv, I have some gloss paint drying around my house and you are more than welcome. woodsedge
  • Score: 0

4:58pm Mon 31 Mar 14

woodsedge says...

Still no apology from the PUKIP supporter who supports Hitlers 1941 speech, the truth will out!
Still no apology from the PUKIP supporter who supports Hitlers 1941 speech, the truth will out! woodsedge
  • Score: -4

5:13pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Sigurd Hoberth says...

Let the silly vitriolic left thinkers with their gutter level tactics carry on...the rest of us will keep calm:-)

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UKIP


Has an apology come forward from the UKIP opponent ( Ducksquack) who called far Eastern people all racists in this thread?

Lucky some UKIP supporters were around to put that Bigot in their place.
Let the silly vitriolic left thinkers with their gutter level tactics carry on...the rest of us will keep calm:-) https://www.facebook .com/hashtag/eushowd own?source=feed_text &story_id=1015228846 1021140 https://twitter.com/ UKIP Has an apology come forward from the UKIP opponent ( Ducksquack) who called far Eastern people all racists in this thread? Lucky some UKIP supporters were around to put that Bigot in their place. Sigurd Hoberth
  • Score: 8

5:46pm Mon 31 Mar 14

JamesYoung says...

Dorset stuff wrote:
I'm convinced the Echo like to dig around with and FOI to find some pointless statistics to stir people up. £1 million is a drop in the ocean and for the majority probably helped a great deal of people who needed help. I totally agree that if you are planning on visiting a country then you need to learn the basics of the local language, it's really not hard but when you are in a hospital for instance then the few odd phrases you learnt are not going to be enough. So an interpreter is a very valuable service. We live in a multi cultural world and we are better off for that. You can still live a British way of life, nobody is saying you cannot, but don't feel the need to impose that on everyone who comes to England. We should be more accepting, it's not the 50's anymore and it never will be again. I consider myself to be British but in reality I am part Norwegian, French, Welsh and British. So we started mixing our countries up long ago and long may it continue. To those UKIP supporters who think I am talking rubbish and we should close our borders then whatever, we all know your stance and we all have the choice to ignore you. Mieć ładny dzień
I agree with most of this, but i do think there is an onus on people moving to Britain to conform with the majority, rather than setting up what is, essentially, a counter culture. When i lived in Norway, i lived according to Norwegian laws, celebrated Norwegian independence day, and sought not to offend my hosts. I also made some attempts at learning Norwegian (wish i had tried harder) and learnt a bit about the culture and the stories that were important to Norwegians. My problem comes not from Poles opening their own food markets (it won't be long before i give into temptation) or South Africans flying their flags, but rather from extreme religious and cultural views. It is, to my mind, completely unacceptable that Shariah law is being practiced in Islamic courts here in the UK, with the apparent acceptance of the British legal establishment, even through it results in a denial of justice if the victim is a woman. You are right, our culture is formed from many others, but it is our culture, it is one that many countries seek to emulate, and it is one that we should be proud of and defend for that reason.
[quote][p][bold]Dorset stuff[/bold] wrote: I'm convinced the Echo like to dig around with and FOI to find some pointless statistics to stir people up. £1 million is a drop in the ocean and for the majority probably helped a great deal of people who needed help. I totally agree that if you are planning on visiting a country then you need to learn the basics of the local language, it's really not hard but when you are in a hospital for instance then the few odd phrases you learnt are not going to be enough. So an interpreter is a very valuable service. We live in a multi cultural world and we are better off for that. You can still live a British way of life, nobody is saying you cannot, but don't feel the need to impose that on everyone who comes to England. We should be more accepting, it's not the 50's anymore and it never will be again. I consider myself to be British but in reality I am part Norwegian, French, Welsh and British. So we started mixing our countries up long ago and long may it continue. To those UKIP supporters who think I am talking rubbish and we should close our borders then whatever, we all know your stance and we all have the choice to ignore you. Mieć ładny dzień[/p][/quote]I agree with most of this, but i do think there is an onus on people moving to Britain to conform with the majority, rather than setting up what is, essentially, a counter culture. When i lived in Norway, i lived according to Norwegian laws, celebrated Norwegian independence day, and sought not to offend my hosts. I also made some attempts at learning Norwegian (wish i had tried harder) and learnt a bit about the culture and the stories that were important to Norwegians. My problem comes not from Poles opening their own food markets (it won't be long before i give into temptation) or South Africans flying their flags, but rather from extreme religious and cultural views. It is, to my mind, completely unacceptable that Shariah law is being practiced in Islamic courts here in the UK, with the apparent acceptance of the British legal establishment, even through it results in a denial of justice if the victim is a woman. You are right, our culture is formed from many others, but it is our culture, it is one that many countries seek to emulate, and it is one that we should be proud of and defend for that reason. JamesYoung
  • Score: 3

6:49pm Mon 31 Mar 14

cj07589 says...

Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
UKIP Leader Nigel Farage is the subject of a new Martin Durkin documentary, 'Nigel Farage: Who Are You?' broadcast tonight on Channel 4 at 7.30pm.

Nigel vs Nick (Round 2) on BBC2 on Wednesday evening at 7pm.
That will be interesting with round 2 being facilitated by the pro-EU bias BBC no doubt the audience will be overflowing with the usual maternal ideologist socialistic dogma.

The people of Britain by only a very small majority agreed to join a Trade partnership called the Common Market. The public was never consulted or asked if they wanted to be part of a undemocratic unelected socialist super state. Give us the referendum/ the right to decide it's not too much to ask in a Democracy is it?

We joined the EEC to trade and not to be governed by Brussels.
[quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: UKIP Leader Nigel Farage is the subject of a new Martin Durkin documentary, 'Nigel Farage: Who Are You?' broadcast tonight on Channel 4 at 7.30pm. Nigel vs Nick (Round 2) on BBC2 on Wednesday evening at 7pm.[/p][/quote]That will be interesting with round 2 being facilitated by the pro-EU bias BBC no doubt the audience will be overflowing with the usual maternal ideologist socialistic dogma. The people of Britain by only a very small majority agreed to join a Trade partnership called the Common Market. The public was never consulted or asked if they wanted to be part of a undemocratic unelected socialist super state. Give us the referendum/ the right to decide it's not too much to ask in a Democracy is it? We joined the EEC to trade and not to be governed by Brussels. cj07589
  • Score: 5

7:05pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Sigurd Hoberth says...

cj07589 wrote:
Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
UKIP Leader Nigel Farage is the subject of a new Martin Durkin documentary, 'Nigel Farage: Who Are You?' broadcast tonight on Channel 4 at 7.30pm.

Nigel vs Nick (Round 2) on BBC2 on Wednesday evening at 7pm.
That will be interesting with round 2 being facilitated by the pro-EU bias BBC no doubt the audience will be overflowing with the usual maternal ideologist socialistic dogma.

The people of Britain by only a very small majority agreed to join a Trade partnership called the Common Market. The public was never consulted or asked if they wanted to be part of a undemocratic unelected socialist super state. Give us the referendum/ the right to decide it's not too much to ask in a Democracy is it?

We joined the EEC to trade and not to be governed by Brussels.
I thought the LBC were reasonable by comparison to most, not that this says much. The BBC, well we know all about them and their laughable impartiality. I expect to see an audience of left wing plants and bias from the host, as is always the case when anything that is not "right on" and conforms to the P.C message of the BBC.

If they have nothing to fear like they claim, then why do it? Why not get all out in the open and have an honest, face to face, level playing field debate?

Where is Millipede and Camoron in all this..HIDING?
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: UKIP Leader Nigel Farage is the subject of a new Martin Durkin documentary, 'Nigel Farage: Who Are You?' broadcast tonight on Channel 4 at 7.30pm. Nigel vs Nick (Round 2) on BBC2 on Wednesday evening at 7pm.[/p][/quote]That will be interesting with round 2 being facilitated by the pro-EU bias BBC no doubt the audience will be overflowing with the usual maternal ideologist socialistic dogma. The people of Britain by only a very small majority agreed to join a Trade partnership called the Common Market. The public was never consulted or asked if they wanted to be part of a undemocratic unelected socialist super state. Give us the referendum/ the right to decide it's not too much to ask in a Democracy is it? We joined the EEC to trade and not to be governed by Brussels.[/p][/quote]I thought the LBC were reasonable by comparison to most, not that this says much. The BBC, well we know all about them and their laughable impartiality. I expect to see an audience of left wing plants and bias from the host, as is always the case when anything that is not "right on" and conforms to the P.C message of the BBC. If they have nothing to fear like they claim, then why do it? Why not get all out in the open and have an honest, face to face, level playing field debate? Where is Millipede and Camoron in all this..HIDING? Sigurd Hoberth
  • Score: 5

8:18pm Mon 31 Mar 14

cj07589 says...

Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
UKIP Leader Nigel Farage is the subject of a new Martin Durkin documentary, 'Nigel Farage: Who Are You?' broadcast tonight on Channel 4 at 7.30pm.

Nigel vs Nick (Round 2) on BBC2 on Wednesday evening at 7pm.
That will be interesting with round 2 being facilitated by the pro-EU bias BBC no doubt the audience will be overflowing with the usual maternal ideologist socialistic dogma.

The people of Britain by only a very small majority agreed to join a Trade partnership called the Common Market. The public was never consulted or asked if they wanted to be part of a undemocratic unelected socialist super state. Give us the referendum/ the right to decide it's not too much to ask in a Democracy is it?

We joined the EEC to trade and not to be governed by Brussels.
I thought the LBC were reasonable by comparison to most, not that this says much. The BBC, well we know all about them and their laughable impartiality. I expect to see an audience of left wing plants and bias from the host, as is always the case when anything that is not "right on" and conforms to the P.C message of the BBC.

If they have nothing to fear like they claim, then why do it? Why not get all out in the open and have an honest, face to face, level playing field debate?

Where is Millipede and Camoron in all this..HIDING?
Yeah was thinking that same thing....they haven't got spine and know they will be gifting support across to UKIP. Cynically referred in the political world as damage limitation. Looking forward to the future it's getting a bit brighter.
[quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: UKIP Leader Nigel Farage is the subject of a new Martin Durkin documentary, 'Nigel Farage: Who Are You?' broadcast tonight on Channel 4 at 7.30pm. Nigel vs Nick (Round 2) on BBC2 on Wednesday evening at 7pm.[/p][/quote]That will be interesting with round 2 being facilitated by the pro-EU bias BBC no doubt the audience will be overflowing with the usual maternal ideologist socialistic dogma. The people of Britain by only a very small majority agreed to join a Trade partnership called the Common Market. The public was never consulted or asked if they wanted to be part of a undemocratic unelected socialist super state. Give us the referendum/ the right to decide it's not too much to ask in a Democracy is it? We joined the EEC to trade and not to be governed by Brussels.[/p][/quote]I thought the LBC were reasonable by comparison to most, not that this says much. The BBC, well we know all about them and their laughable impartiality. I expect to see an audience of left wing plants and bias from the host, as is always the case when anything that is not "right on" and conforms to the P.C message of the BBC. If they have nothing to fear like they claim, then why do it? Why not get all out in the open and have an honest, face to face, level playing field debate? Where is Millipede and Camoron in all this..HIDING?[/p][/quote]Yeah was thinking that same thing....they haven't got spine and know they will be gifting support across to UKIP. Cynically referred in the political world as damage limitation. Looking forward to the future it's getting a bit brighter. cj07589
  • Score: 5

8:29pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Sigurd Hoberth says...

Interesting documentary on Farage tonight. No wonder camoron and millipede run away from live TV debate.

OMG did you see that harmoginised blob of British tax payer rape called the EU parliament, or was it the Council of Europe or some other dark communitarian pit of propaganda and malfeasance.

Even those who blow smoke up the backside of this place don't even know who is who or where your money is being stolen too or what for. Nice to see the left wing THUGS for what they are too, one look at those socialist protesters should tell you everything about them.

"This European union is the new communism" That is the most accurate statement made in World politics in the last 40 years.

VOTE UKIP!
Interesting documentary on Farage tonight. No wonder camoron and millipede run away from live TV debate. OMG did you see that harmoginised blob of British tax payer rape called the EU parliament, or was it the Council of Europe or some other dark communitarian pit of propaganda and malfeasance. Even those who blow smoke up the backside of this place don't even know who is who or where your money is being stolen too or what for. Nice to see the left wing THUGS for what they are too, one look at those socialist protesters should tell you everything about them. "This European union is the new communism" That is the most accurate statement made in World politics in the last 40 years. VOTE UKIP! Sigurd Hoberth
  • Score: 9

8:55pm Mon 31 Mar 14

dogloverdorset says...

Sigurd
The reason i wen quiet on the crime figures, is that I was so incensed by your nonsense, as I have access through my job role to the actual facts and found myself nearly breaking the official secrets act

You have shown yourself to be racist, and anyone who realistically believes the nonsense you spout is welcome to you

Yes in my anger I was factually inaccurate about the Polish, however during the war there we welcomed them, and they us - many of their descendents still live in the UK today - I went to college with one of their grandaughters in weymouth

I am proud to live in a country that actually cares about other people, and sees justice carried out in a fair way

shout and have a tantrum all you like.

goodbye
Sigurd The reason i wen quiet on the crime figures, is that I was so incensed by your nonsense, as I have access through my job role to the actual facts and found myself nearly breaking the official secrets act You have shown yourself to be racist, and anyone who realistically believes the nonsense you spout is welcome to you Yes in my anger I was factually inaccurate about the Polish, however during the war there we welcomed them, and they us - many of their descendents still live in the UK today - I went to college with one of their grandaughters in weymouth I am proud to live in a country that actually cares about other people, and sees justice carried out in a fair way shout and have a tantrum all you like. goodbye dogloverdorset
  • Score: -5

9:04pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Sigurd Hoberth says...

dogloverdorset wrote:
Sigurd
The reason i wen quiet on the crime figures, is that I was so incensed by your nonsense, as I have access through my job role to the actual facts and found myself nearly breaking the official secrets act

You have shown yourself to be racist, and anyone who realistically believes the nonsense you spout is welcome to you

Yes in my anger I was factually inaccurate about the Polish, however during the war there we welcomed them, and they us - many of their descendents still live in the UK today - I went to college with one of their grandaughters in weymouth

I am proud to live in a country that actually cares about other people, and sees justice carried out in a fair way

shout and have a tantrum all you like.

goodbye
Oh dear, you really have cracked !

So some made up imaginary story about your time as James Bond told in a near hysterical narrative, followed by some name calling hyperbole, false allegation and then projected self loathing about your inaccuracy, all of it without any quoting, evidence or source and you call me names?

When you have sought therapy for your condition, my office door is open for an adult debate.

For your information figures on non-Briotish crime rates and any such figures are not subject to the official secrets act. I am sure your bosses in MI6 or the reptilian agents of the tin foil hat dept can verify that.

Jeeeeeesus..........
.
[quote][p][bold]dogloverdorset[/bold] wrote: Sigurd The reason i wen quiet on the crime figures, is that I was so incensed by your nonsense, as I have access through my job role to the actual facts and found myself nearly breaking the official secrets act You have shown yourself to be racist, and anyone who realistically believes the nonsense you spout is welcome to you Yes in my anger I was factually inaccurate about the Polish, however during the war there we welcomed them, and they us - many of their descendents still live in the UK today - I went to college with one of their grandaughters in weymouth I am proud to live in a country that actually cares about other people, and sees justice carried out in a fair way shout and have a tantrum all you like. goodbye[/p][/quote]Oh dear, you really have cracked ! So some made up imaginary story about your time as James Bond told in a near hysterical narrative, followed by some name calling hyperbole, false allegation and then projected self loathing about your inaccuracy, all of it without any quoting, evidence or source and you call me names? When you have sought therapy for your condition, my office door is open for an adult debate. For your information figures on non-Briotish crime rates and any such figures are not subject to the official secrets act. I am sure your bosses in MI6 or the reptilian agents of the tin foil hat dept can verify that. Jeeeeeesus.......... . Sigurd Hoberth
  • Score: 6

9:06pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Sigurd Hoberth says...

P.S, I am neither shouting or having a tantrum no matter how much you think shouting and having a tantrum yourself , might make people think so.

Thanks for your concern though.

Keep calm and carry on ;-)
P.S, I am neither shouting or having a tantrum no matter how much you think shouting and having a tantrum yourself , might make people think so. Thanks for your concern though. Keep calm and carry on ;-) Sigurd Hoberth
  • Score: 7

9:40pm Mon 31 Mar 14

woodsedge says...

dogloverdorset wrote:
Sigurd
The reason i wen quiet on the crime figures, is that I was so incensed by your nonsense, as I have access through my job role to the actual facts and found myself nearly breaking the official secrets act

You have shown yourself to be racist, and anyone who realistically believes the nonsense you spout is welcome to you

Yes in my anger I was factually inaccurate about the Polish, however during the war there we welcomed them, and they us - many of their descendents still live in the UK today - I went to college with one of their grandaughters in weymouth

I am proud to live in a country that actually cares about other people, and sees justice carried out in a fair way

shout and have a tantrum all you like.

goodbye
Hi dogloverdorset, I speak from experience when I say the best tactic with some posters that clearly have issues is to ignore them. It is impossible to debate issues with a misogynist, someone who had a skewed view of history, someone who speaks up for men regardless of their crimes and who clearly has mental health issues. He has been banned many times than I care to remember (you can tell he has reappeared by the vile venom). He is the best advert for people that read his dribble not to vote PUKIP!
[quote][p][bold]dogloverdorset[/bold] wrote: Sigurd The reason i wen quiet on the crime figures, is that I was so incensed by your nonsense, as I have access through my job role to the actual facts and found myself nearly breaking the official secrets act You have shown yourself to be racist, and anyone who realistically believes the nonsense you spout is welcome to you Yes in my anger I was factually inaccurate about the Polish, however during the war there we welcomed them, and they us - many of their descendents still live in the UK today - I went to college with one of their grandaughters in weymouth I am proud to live in a country that actually cares about other people, and sees justice carried out in a fair way shout and have a tantrum all you like. goodbye[/p][/quote]Hi dogloverdorset, I speak from experience when I say the best tactic with some posters that clearly have issues is to ignore them. It is impossible to debate issues with a misogynist, someone who had a skewed view of history, someone who speaks up for men regardless of their crimes and who clearly has mental health issues. He has been banned many times than I care to remember (you can tell he has reappeared by the vile venom). He is the best advert for people that read his dribble not to vote PUKIP! woodsedge
  • Score: -7

9:45pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Sigurd Hoberth says...

woodsedge wrote:
dogloverdorset wrote:
Sigurd
The reason i wen quiet on the crime figures, is that I was so incensed by your nonsense, as I have access through my job role to the actual facts and found myself nearly breaking the official secrets act

You have shown yourself to be racist, and anyone who realistically believes the nonsense you spout is welcome to you

Yes in my anger I was factually inaccurate about the Polish, however during the war there we welcomed them, and they us - many of their descendents still live in the UK today - I went to college with one of their grandaughters in weymouth

I am proud to live in a country that actually cares about other people, and sees justice carried out in a fair way

shout and have a tantrum all you like.

goodbye
Hi dogloverdorset, I speak from experience when I say the best tactic with some posters that clearly have issues is to ignore them. It is impossible to debate issues with a misogynist, someone who had a skewed view of history, someone who speaks up for men regardless of their crimes and who clearly has mental health issues. He has been banned many times than I care to remember (you can tell he has reappeared by the vile venom). He is the best advert for people that read his dribble not to vote PUKIP!
Another left loon. Again, not capable of adult debate, no facts, no source, no nothing. Just infantile vitriol, silly name calling like a little child in a playground who needs attention badly.

I guess that Farage CH4 documentary tonight really unsettled you on a fundamental level eh?

I think Woodsedge , despite over a year of stalking me and all your bluster and nastiness, you failed. I'm still here as strong as ever.

Keeping clam and carrying on.

VOTE UKIP.
[quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dogloverdorset[/bold] wrote: Sigurd The reason i wen quiet on the crime figures, is that I was so incensed by your nonsense, as I have access through my job role to the actual facts and found myself nearly breaking the official secrets act You have shown yourself to be racist, and anyone who realistically believes the nonsense you spout is welcome to you Yes in my anger I was factually inaccurate about the Polish, however during the war there we welcomed them, and they us - many of their descendents still live in the UK today - I went to college with one of their grandaughters in weymouth I am proud to live in a country that actually cares about other people, and sees justice carried out in a fair way shout and have a tantrum all you like. goodbye[/p][/quote]Hi dogloverdorset, I speak from experience when I say the best tactic with some posters that clearly have issues is to ignore them. It is impossible to debate issues with a misogynist, someone who had a skewed view of history, someone who speaks up for men regardless of their crimes and who clearly has mental health issues. He has been banned many times than I care to remember (you can tell he has reappeared by the vile venom). He is the best advert for people that read his dribble not to vote PUKIP![/p][/quote]Another left loon. Again, not capable of adult debate, no facts, no source, no nothing. Just infantile vitriol, silly name calling like a little child in a playground who needs attention badly. I guess that Farage CH4 documentary tonight really unsettled you on a fundamental level eh? I think Woodsedge , despite over a year of stalking me and all your bluster and nastiness, you failed. I'm still here as strong as ever. Keeping clam and carrying on. VOTE UKIP. Sigurd Hoberth
  • Score: 6

11:00pm Mon 31 Mar 14

captainwizard says...

I don't think people should be allowed to use the internet unless they learn the language first. I think a basic knowledge of html, css, and internet security should be mandatory, else you will be put in a cyber detention center and then deported from the internet, with their social networking visas black listed. Maybe we should worry more about the amount of Windows XP installs our public infrastructure uses which will be a free for all with our personal information in a week, rather than the pennies we spend to give someone the right to be told life affecting information in a way they understand.

also the echo should invest the amount they spent on the article to fix and update their terrible website
I don't think people should be allowed to use the internet unless they learn the language first. I think a basic knowledge of html, css, and internet security should be mandatory, else you will be put in a cyber detention center and then deported from the internet, with their social networking visas black listed. Maybe we should worry more about the amount of Windows XP installs our public infrastructure uses which will be a free for all with our personal information in a week, rather than the pennies we spend to give someone the right to be told life affecting information in a way they understand. also the echo should invest the amount they spent on the article to fix and update their terrible website captainwizard
  • Score: 2

11:06pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Sigurd Hoberth says...

captainwizard wrote:
I don't think people should be allowed to use the internet unless they learn the language first. I think a basic knowledge of html, css, and internet security should be mandatory, else you will be put in a cyber detention center and then deported from the internet, with their social networking visas black listed. Maybe we should worry more about the amount of Windows XP installs our public infrastructure uses which will be a free for all with our personal information in a week, rather than the pennies we spend to give someone the right to be told life affecting information in a way they understand.

also the echo should invest the amount they spent on the article to fix and update their terrible website
Yeah because Java.exe download ploys and Play store redirect weaknesses are for Iphone users dude.
[quote][p][bold]captainwizard[/bold] wrote: I don't think people should be allowed to use the internet unless they learn the language first. I think a basic knowledge of html, css, and internet security should be mandatory, else you will be put in a cyber detention center and then deported from the internet, with their social networking visas black listed. Maybe we should worry more about the amount of Windows XP installs our public infrastructure uses which will be a free for all with our personal information in a week, rather than the pennies we spend to give someone the right to be told life affecting information in a way they understand. also the echo should invest the amount they spent on the article to fix and update their terrible website[/p][/quote]Yeah because Java.exe download ploys and Play store redirect weaknesses are for Iphone users dude. Sigurd Hoberth
  • Score: 0

11:45pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Sigurd Hoberth says...

dogloverdorset wrote:
Sigurd
The reason i wen quiet on the crime figures, is that I was so incensed by your nonsense, as I have access through my job role to the actual facts and found myself nearly breaking the official secrets act

You have shown yourself to be racist, and anyone who realistically believes the nonsense you spout is welcome to you

Yes in my anger I was factually inaccurate about the Polish, however during the war there we welcomed them, and they us - many of their descendents still live in the UK today - I went to college with one of their grandaughters in weymouth

I am proud to live in a country that actually cares about other people, and sees justice carried out in a fair way

shout and have a tantrum all you like.

goodbye
I REALLY want to get back to this person....their response is very troubling and irregular. Some liberals spout so much vitriol they can self harm.
[quote][p][bold]dogloverdorset[/bold] wrote: Sigurd The reason i wen quiet on the crime figures, is that I was so incensed by your nonsense, as I have access through my job role to the actual facts and found myself nearly breaking the official secrets act You have shown yourself to be racist, and anyone who realistically believes the nonsense you spout is welcome to you Yes in my anger I was factually inaccurate about the Polish, however during the war there we welcomed them, and they us - many of their descendents still live in the UK today - I went to college with one of their grandaughters in weymouth I am proud to live in a country that actually cares about other people, and sees justice carried out in a fair way shout and have a tantrum all you like. goodbye[/p][/quote]I REALLY want to get back to this person....their response is very troubling and irregular. Some liberals spout so much vitriol they can self harm. Sigurd Hoberth
  • Score: 5

12:25pm Wed 2 Apr 14

livid99 says...

Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
woodsedge wrote:
dogloverdorset wrote:
Sigurd
The reason i wen quiet on the crime figures, is that I was so incensed by your nonsense, as I have access through my job role to the actual facts and found myself nearly breaking the official secrets act

You have shown yourself to be racist, and anyone who realistically believes the nonsense you spout is welcome to you

Yes in my anger I was factually inaccurate about the Polish, however during the war there we welcomed them, and they us - many of their descendents still live in the UK today - I went to college with one of their grandaughters in weymouth

I am proud to live in a country that actually cares about other people, and sees justice carried out in a fair way

shout and have a tantrum all you like.

goodbye
Hi dogloverdorset, I speak from experience when I say the best tactic with some posters that clearly have issues is to ignore them. It is impossible to debate issues with a misogynist, someone who had a skewed view of history, someone who speaks up for men regardless of their crimes and who clearly has mental health issues. He has been banned many times than I care to remember (you can tell he has reappeared by the vile venom). He is the best advert for people that read his dribble not to vote PUKIP!
Another left loon. Again, not capable of adult debate, no facts, no source, no nothing. Just infantile vitriol, silly name calling like a little child in a playground who needs attention badly.

I guess that Farage CH4 documentary tonight really unsettled you on a fundamental level eh?

I think Woodsedge , despite over a year of stalking me and all your bluster and nastiness, you failed. I'm still here as strong as ever.

Keeping clam and carrying on.

VOTE UKIP.
Adult debate ? Silly name calling?......

From someone who calls the other 2 "Millipede and Camoron"......

Noted....thats all
[quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dogloverdorset[/bold] wrote: Sigurd The reason i wen quiet on the crime figures, is that I was so incensed by your nonsense, as I have access through my job role to the actual facts and found myself nearly breaking the official secrets act You have shown yourself to be racist, and anyone who realistically believes the nonsense you spout is welcome to you Yes in my anger I was factually inaccurate about the Polish, however during the war there we welcomed them, and they us - many of their descendents still live in the UK today - I went to college with one of their grandaughters in weymouth I am proud to live in a country that actually cares about other people, and sees justice carried out in a fair way shout and have a tantrum all you like. goodbye[/p][/quote]Hi dogloverdorset, I speak from experience when I say the best tactic with some posters that clearly have issues is to ignore them. It is impossible to debate issues with a misogynist, someone who had a skewed view of history, someone who speaks up for men regardless of their crimes and who clearly has mental health issues. He has been banned many times than I care to remember (you can tell he has reappeared by the vile venom). He is the best advert for people that read his dribble not to vote PUKIP![/p][/quote]Another left loon. Again, not capable of adult debate, no facts, no source, no nothing. Just infantile vitriol, silly name calling like a little child in a playground who needs attention badly. I guess that Farage CH4 documentary tonight really unsettled you on a fundamental level eh? I think Woodsedge , despite over a year of stalking me and all your bluster and nastiness, you failed. I'm still here as strong as ever. Keeping clam and carrying on. VOTE UKIP.[/p][/quote]Adult debate ? Silly name calling?...... From someone who calls the other 2 "Millipede and Camoron"...... Noted....thats all livid99
  • Score: 1

9:00pm Wed 2 Apr 14

cj07589 says...

Hey Woodsedge, Duckswade et al, I thought you should know that in the Farage vs Clegg EU debate tonight on BBC 2, 68% of those polled agreed with Nigel. Is a bit of common sense, pride in Britain enterprise and culture too much to ask?
Hey Woodsedge, Duckswade et al, I thought you should know that in the Farage vs Clegg EU debate tonight on BBC 2, 68% of those polled agreed with Nigel. Is a bit of common sense, pride in Britain enterprise and culture too much to ask? cj07589
  • Score: 0

10:29pm Wed 2 Apr 14

cosmick says...

Peoples army on the march, UKIP nothing can stop us now.
Going out tommorrow to leaflet for the fastest growing party in England.
YEP UKIP.
Peoples army on the march, UKIP nothing can stop us now. Going out tommorrow to leaflet for the fastest growing party in England. YEP UKIP. cosmick
  • Score: -4

10:37am Thu 3 Apr 14

livid99 says...

cosmick wrote:
Peoples army on the march, UKIP nothing can stop us now.
Going out tommorrow to leaflet for the fastest growing party in England.
YEP UKIP.
On the contrary...the British public can stop UKIP. Yes Farage is whipping up a lot of publicity at the moment with his anti-immigrant, "white working class effectively an underclass", type comments - not too dissimilar to some of the BNP nonsense. He may do better than he's done before,but he couldn't run the country and his party is full of lunatics anyway. When the GE comes round most sensible people will realise that just because he's good at talking and making the most of photo ops with his beer and cigarettes, his policies have very little substance and simply blaming immigrants and the EU for everything does not qualify him to run the country.
[quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: Peoples army on the march, UKIP nothing can stop us now. Going out tommorrow to leaflet for the fastest growing party in England. YEP UKIP.[/p][/quote]On the contrary...the British public can stop UKIP. Yes Farage is whipping up a lot of publicity at the moment with his anti-immigrant, "white working class effectively an underclass", type comments - not too dissimilar to some of the BNP nonsense. He may do better than he's done before,but he couldn't run the country and his party is full of lunatics anyway. When the GE comes round most sensible people will realise that just because he's good at talking and making the most of photo ops with his beer and cigarettes, his policies have very little substance and simply blaming immigrants and the EU for everything does not qualify him to run the country. livid99
  • Score: 2

10:57am Thu 3 Apr 14

Dorset stuff says...

cosmick wrote:
Peoples army on the march, UKIP nothing can stop us now.
Going out tommorrow to leaflet for the fastest growing party in England.
YEP UKIP.
Don't bother knocking on my door, you will walk away with a UKIP leaflet inserted somewhere you don't want it.
[quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: Peoples army on the march, UKIP nothing can stop us now. Going out tommorrow to leaflet for the fastest growing party in England. YEP UKIP.[/p][/quote]Don't bother knocking on my door, you will walk away with a UKIP leaflet inserted somewhere you don't want it. Dorset stuff
  • Score: 4

11:27am Thu 3 Apr 14

woodsedge says...

Dorset stuff wrote:
cosmick wrote:
Peoples army on the march, UKIP nothing can stop us now.
Going out tommorrow to leaflet for the fastest growing party in England.
YEP UKIP.
Don't bother knocking on my door, you will walk away with a UKIP leaflet inserted somewhere you don't want it.
Ditto
[quote][p][bold]Dorset stuff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: Peoples army on the march, UKIP nothing can stop us now. Going out tommorrow to leaflet for the fastest growing party in England. YEP UKIP.[/p][/quote]Don't bother knocking on my door, you will walk away with a UKIP leaflet inserted somewhere you don't want it.[/p][/quote]Ditto woodsedge
  • Score: 3

11:30am Thu 3 Apr 14

cosmick says...

Dorset stuff wrote:
cosmick wrote:
Peoples army on the march, UKIP nothing can stop us now.
Going out tommorrow to leaflet for the fastest growing party in England.
YEP UKIP.
Don't bother knocking on my door, you will walk away with a UKIP leaflet inserted somewhere you don't want it.
Sorry i dont know where you live. Nice to know that you are a threat to the public.
Please put a sign on youir front door SO WE KNOW, LUNARTICLIVESHERE.
[quote][p][bold]Dorset stuff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: Peoples army on the march, UKIP nothing can stop us now. Going out tommorrow to leaflet for the fastest growing party in England. YEP UKIP.[/p][/quote]Don't bother knocking on my door, you will walk away with a UKIP leaflet inserted somewhere you don't want it.[/p][/quote]Sorry i dont know where you live. Nice to know that you are a threat to the public. Please put a sign on youir front door SO WE KNOW, LUNARTICLIVESHERE. cosmick
  • Score: 0

11:53am Thu 3 Apr 14

Dorset stuff says...

Lunatic does not have an R in it. Lunar has an R in it, Artic has an R in it, but you should not combine them, or use Caps Lock.

I'm not a threat to the public but I would tell you to get lost and never darken my doorstep again. I find UKIP more of a threat to the public, I find it's followers to be fanatical fools.

As for where I live, I live in a nice quiet Dorset village, full of professional hard working people with excellent edcuations, none of them vote UKIP. Coincidence or an ability to look at the bigger picture. Farage did look a fool on the debate last night. I'm no Clegg fan either, but even if Miss Piggy was stood in his place I would rather vote for her, LOL
Lunatic does not have an R in it. Lunar has an R in it, Artic has an R in it, but you should not combine them, or use Caps Lock. I'm not a threat to the public but I would tell you to get lost and never darken my doorstep again. I find UKIP more of a threat to the public, I find it's followers to be fanatical fools. As for where I live, I live in a nice quiet Dorset village, full of professional hard working people with excellent edcuations, none of them vote UKIP. Coincidence or an ability to look at the bigger picture. Farage did look a fool on the debate last night. I'm no Clegg fan either, but even if Miss Piggy was stood in his place I would rather vote for her, LOL Dorset stuff
  • Score: 3

1:03pm Thu 3 Apr 14

woodsedge says...

cosmick wrote:
Dorset stuff wrote:
cosmick wrote:
Peoples army on the march, UKIP nothing can stop us now.
Going out tommorrow to leaflet for the fastest growing party in England.
YEP UKIP.
Don't bother knocking on my door, you will walk away with a UKIP leaflet inserted somewhere you don't want it.
Sorry i dont know where you live. Nice to know that you are a threat to the public.
Please put a sign on youir front door SO WE KNOW, LUNARTICLIVESHERE.
I think the lunatic will be on the street side of the door!
[quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dorset stuff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: Peoples army on the march, UKIP nothing can stop us now. Going out tommorrow to leaflet for the fastest growing party in England. YEP UKIP.[/p][/quote]Don't bother knocking on my door, you will walk away with a UKIP leaflet inserted somewhere you don't want it.[/p][/quote]Sorry i dont know where you live. Nice to know that you are a threat to the public. Please put a sign on youir front door SO WE KNOW, LUNARTICLIVESHERE.[/p][/quote]I think the lunatic will be on the street side of the door! woodsedge
  • Score: 2

2:05pm Thu 3 Apr 14

UKIPpers says...

cosmick wrote:
So you dont like the speeches that stand the test of time and tell it like it is.
Last nights debate affirmed Farage's place as a good showman with little substance. I would like to see the debates continue with all parties large and small however. It's easy to be sensational when a televised debate is such a rarity, but we need an ongoing conversation to really understand the policies of all parties, and cut through the bravado and "who are you" sensationalism.

As others have said, the informed and educated will vote accordingly.
Those who like to sing Hitlers praises as per Mr Cosmick will vote for UKIP.
[quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: So you dont like the speeches that stand the test of time and tell it like it is.[/p][/quote]Last nights debate affirmed Farage's place as a good showman with little substance. I would like to see the debates continue with all parties large and small however. It's easy to be sensational when a televised debate is such a rarity, but we need an ongoing conversation to really understand the policies of all parties, and cut through the bravado and "who are you" sensationalism. As others have said, the informed and educated will vote accordingly. Those who like to sing Hitlers praises as per Mr Cosmick will vote for UKIP. UKIPpers
  • Score: 0

6:24pm Thu 3 Apr 14

cosmick says...

Dorset stuff wrote:
Lunatic does not have an R in it. Lunar has an R in it, Artic has an R in it, but you should not combine them, or use Caps Lock.

I'm not a threat to the public but I would tell you to get lost and never darken my doorstep again. I find UKIP more of a threat to the public, I find it's followers to be fanatical fools.

As for where I live, I live in a nice quiet Dorset village, full of professional hard working people with excellent edcuations, none of them vote UKIP. Coincidence or an ability to look at the bigger picture. Farage did look a fool on the debate last night. I'm no Clegg fan either, but even if Miss Piggy was stood in his place I would rather vote for her, LOL
Some of them do vote UKIP.
Some of them will change to UKIP.
I am glad that you are in a Dorset Village full of professional hard working people, i hope they pay there taxes so we can pay for the Interpreter service.
[quote][p][bold]Dorset stuff[/bold] wrote: Lunatic does not have an R in it. Lunar has an R in it, Artic has an R in it, but you should not combine them, or use Caps Lock. I'm not a threat to the public but I would tell you to get lost and never darken my doorstep again. I find UKIP more of a threat to the public, I find it's followers to be fanatical fools. As for where I live, I live in a nice quiet Dorset village, full of professional hard working people with excellent edcuations, none of them vote UKIP. Coincidence or an ability to look at the bigger picture. Farage did look a fool on the debate last night. I'm no Clegg fan either, but even if Miss Piggy was stood in his place I would rather vote for her, LOL[/p][/quote]Some of them do vote UKIP. Some of them will change to UKIP. I am glad that you are in a Dorset Village full of professional hard working people, i hope they pay there taxes so we can pay for the Interpreter service. cosmick
  • Score: 1

8:54pm Thu 3 Apr 14

cj07589 says...

UKIPpers wrote:
cosmick wrote:
So you dont like the speeches that stand the test of time and tell it like it is.
Last nights debate affirmed Farage's place as a good showman with little substance. I would like to see the debates continue with all parties large and small however. It's easy to be sensational when a televised debate is such a rarity, but we need an ongoing conversation to really understand the policies of all parties, and cut through the bravado and "who are you" sensationalism.

As others have said, the informed and educated will vote accordingly.
Those who like to sing Hitlers praises as per Mr Cosmick will vote for UKIP.
Looking forward to democracy taking its course and showing you up for the clown you are. Any other sweeping idiotic statements you'd like to add whilst you're at it.
[quote][p][bold]UKIPpers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: So you dont like the speeches that stand the test of time and tell it like it is.[/p][/quote]Last nights debate affirmed Farage's place as a good showman with little substance. I would like to see the debates continue with all parties large and small however. It's easy to be sensational when a televised debate is such a rarity, but we need an ongoing conversation to really understand the policies of all parties, and cut through the bravado and "who are you" sensationalism. As others have said, the informed and educated will vote accordingly. Those who like to sing Hitlers praises as per Mr Cosmick will vote for UKIP.[/p][/quote]Looking forward to democracy taking its course and showing you up for the clown you are. Any other sweeping idiotic statements you'd like to add whilst you're at it. cj07589
  • Score: 0

8:59pm Thu 3 Apr 14

cj07589 says...

cosmick wrote:
Dorset stuff wrote:
Lunatic does not have an R in it. Lunar has an R in it, Artic has an R in it, but you should not combine them, or use Caps Lock.

I'm not a threat to the public but I would tell you to get lost and never darken my doorstep again. I find UKIP more of a threat to the public, I find it's followers to be fanatical fools.

As for where I live, I live in a nice quiet Dorset village, full of professional hard working people with excellent edcuations, none of them vote UKIP. Coincidence or an ability to look at the bigger picture. Farage did look a fool on the debate last night. I'm no Clegg fan either, but even if Miss Piggy was stood in his place I would rather vote for her, LOL
Some of them do vote UKIP.
Some of them will change to UKIP.
I am glad that you are in a Dorset Village full of professional hard working people, i hope they pay there taxes so we can pay for the Interpreter service.
Of course typical swivel eye socialists expect the tax payer to pay for everything including interpreter services which why they bankrupt the country every time they get into Government.
[quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dorset stuff[/bold] wrote: Lunatic does not have an R in it. Lunar has an R in it, Artic has an R in it, but you should not combine them, or use Caps Lock. I'm not a threat to the public but I would tell you to get lost and never darken my doorstep again. I find UKIP more of a threat to the public, I find it's followers to be fanatical fools. As for where I live, I live in a nice quiet Dorset village, full of professional hard working people with excellent edcuations, none of them vote UKIP. Coincidence or an ability to look at the bigger picture. Farage did look a fool on the debate last night. I'm no Clegg fan either, but even if Miss Piggy was stood in his place I would rather vote for her, LOL[/p][/quote]Some of them do vote UKIP. Some of them will change to UKIP. I am glad that you are in a Dorset Village full of professional hard working people, i hope they pay there taxes so we can pay for the Interpreter service.[/p][/quote]Of course typical swivel eye socialists expect the tax payer to pay for everything including interpreter services which why they bankrupt the country every time they get into Government. cj07589
  • Score: 0

8:11am Fri 4 Apr 14

livid99 says...

cj07589 wrote:
UKIPpers wrote:
cosmick wrote:
So you dont like the speeches that stand the test of time and tell it like it is.
Last nights debate affirmed Farage's place as a good showman with little substance. I would like to see the debates continue with all parties large and small however. It's easy to be sensational when a televised debate is such a rarity, but we need an ongoing conversation to really understand the policies of all parties, and cut through the bravado and "who are you" sensationalism.

As others have said, the informed and educated will vote accordingly.
Those who like to sing Hitlers praises as per Mr Cosmick will vote for UKIP.
Looking forward to democracy taking its course and showing you up for the clown you are. Any other sweeping idiotic statements you'd like to add whilst you're at it.
Hahaha...we'll more likely see Farage crying into his beer
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]UKIPpers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: So you dont like the speeches that stand the test of time and tell it like it is.[/p][/quote]Last nights debate affirmed Farage's place as a good showman with little substance. I would like to see the debates continue with all parties large and small however. It's easy to be sensational when a televised debate is such a rarity, but we need an ongoing conversation to really understand the policies of all parties, and cut through the bravado and "who are you" sensationalism. As others have said, the informed and educated will vote accordingly. Those who like to sing Hitlers praises as per Mr Cosmick will vote for UKIP.[/p][/quote]Looking forward to democracy taking its course and showing you up for the clown you are. Any other sweeping idiotic statements you'd like to add whilst you're at it.[/p][/quote]Hahaha...we'll more likely see Farage crying into his beer livid99
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