Weymouth man's email exchange with UKIP goes viral

DISCUSSION: Jason West, whose e-mail exchange with UKIP went viral

DISCUSSION: Jason West, whose e-mail exchange with UKIP went viral

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A WEYMOUTH man’s e-mail exchange with a political party has gone viral after it was shared on social media.

Jason West sent an e-mail to the secretary of the Weymouth and Portland branch of UKIP after receiving a leaflet through his door asking for his vote at the upcoming European Elections, which will be held on Thursday, May 22.

Following the exchange with the secretary, who identifies himself as Alan A, Mr West published the post on his Facebook page.

It was then published on a political blog called Pride’s Purge, which calls itself an “irreverent look at British politics.”

From this website, it was shared over 5,000 times on Facebook and more than 1,000 times on Twitter.

Mr West said he was pleased that the exchange had gone viral.

He said: “I think it’s great that it has gone viral, I think as many people as possible should see it, and it is still being shared and retweeted.”

Mr West is originally from London and moved to Weymouth with his family five years ago.

His partner Janne Schack is originally from Denmark but moved to the UK 20 years ago and met Mr West in London.

They have two children together, who are five and seven years old.

In the discussion, Mr West asks the party if his children, who attend a local primary school, would have the party’s support.

The party replies that they would support Mr West and his family, before the conversation leads to a discussion about the statistical number of immigrants coming into Britain and into Weymouth and Portland.

Mr West explained his reasoning behind the e-mail: “I got the UKIP leaflet and it says they want local housing for local residents and they want school places to go to local children, and it made me think how long does it take to become local, and how do UKIP decide what is local or not.

“I only moved here five years ago and I think I feel local now. My partner has lived with me in Weymouth for five years and in Britain for 20 years, so she feels local, it didn’t make sense to me and I was slightly offended by it so I thought I would ask the local branch of UKIP and have a discussion about it.”

 To see the email exchange, visit http://bit.ly/1fYHfIH

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7:46am Sat 10 May 14

cj07589 says...

No sure what's the big deal is, local housing should be supplied to locals especially in Dorset if its an issue then mr west has every right to buy on the open market like the rest of us. A non story, I assume the purpose of the article is to smear UKIP in line with the wider media's attempts nationally. Before you whinge in reply I'm not born in the UK either and my wife is a EU national and completely support UKIP over the Lie/limp/cons. Bottom line is if you don't like it don't vote it's called democracy.
No sure what's the big deal is, local housing should be supplied to locals especially in Dorset if its an issue then mr west has every right to buy on the open market like the rest of us. A non story, I assume the purpose of the article is to smear UKIP in line with the wider media's attempts nationally. Before you whinge in reply I'm not born in the UK either and my wife is a EU national and completely support UKIP over the Lie/limp/cons. Bottom line is if you don't like it don't vote it's called democracy. cj07589
  • Score: 41

8:14am Sat 10 May 14

woodsedge says...

So you define 'local'.
So you define 'local'. woodsedge
  • Score: -8

8:36am Sat 10 May 14

woodsedge says...

For those that are interested in the FACTUAL exchange:

http://tompride.word
press.com/2014/05/05
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For those that are interested in the FACTUAL exchange: http://tompride.word press.com/2014/05/05 /read-this-email-exc hange-in-which-a-loc al-resident-takes-ap art-ukip/ woodsedge
  • Score: -7

8:56am Sat 10 May 14

Sally1 says...

It's significant that people are challenging information, given out as truth. Whatever the party, if you need clarification or you feel you want to challenge their version of the truth, then you should write and ask. Good on the Echo for reporting this, it shows that not all the electorate are apathetic. And the fact that it has gone 'viral' on social media demonstrates an appetite for politics that the national papers would have you believe simply isn't there.
It's significant that people are challenging information, given out as truth. Whatever the party, if you need clarification or you feel you want to challenge their version of the truth, then you should write and ask. Good on the Echo for reporting this, it shows that not all the electorate are apathetic. And the fact that it has gone 'viral' on social media demonstrates an appetite for politics that the national papers would have you believe simply isn't there. Sally1
  • Score: 21

10:44am Sat 10 May 14

MrTomSmith says...

How is the plan to regenerate Weymouth going Jason? You like the limelight don't you.
How is the plan to regenerate Weymouth going Jason? You like the limelight don't you. MrTomSmith
  • Score: 13

10:49am Sat 10 May 14

Sigurd Hoeberth says...

cj07589 wrote:
No sure what's the big deal is, local housing should be supplied to locals especially in Dorset if its an issue then mr west has every right to buy on the open market like the rest of us. A non story, I assume the purpose of the article is to smear UKIP in line with the wider media's attempts nationally. Before you whinge in reply I'm not born in the UK either and my wife is a EU national and completely support UKIP over the Lie/limp/cons. Bottom line is if you don't like it don't vote it's called democracy.
Of course it is smear tactics even down to using hyperbole about it going "Viral" when the numbers quoted are a few million lower than would be normally expected for anything to be called, "viral" on the internet.

I am curious though, the council figures quoted in the exchange, tell me, how do they come to these figures when anyone from the EU can fly, walk, drive, sail straight into the country completely unchecked and unregistered? 190 migrants , sorry I don't buy that.

The crime figures for Dorset however show another part of the story and how migrants have added over 1400 crimes a year on average in Dorset alone, that's a lot for supposedly so few people eh?
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: No sure what's the big deal is, local housing should be supplied to locals especially in Dorset if its an issue then mr west has every right to buy on the open market like the rest of us. A non story, I assume the purpose of the article is to smear UKIP in line with the wider media's attempts nationally. Before you whinge in reply I'm not born in the UK either and my wife is a EU national and completely support UKIP over the Lie/limp/cons. Bottom line is if you don't like it don't vote it's called democracy.[/p][/quote]Of course it is smear tactics even down to using hyperbole about it going "Viral" when the numbers quoted are a few million lower than would be normally expected for anything to be called, "viral" on the internet. I am curious though, the council figures quoted in the exchange, tell me, how do they come to these figures when anyone from the EU can fly, walk, drive, sail straight into the country completely unchecked and unregistered? 190 migrants , sorry I don't buy that. The crime figures for Dorset however show another part of the story and how migrants have added over 1400 crimes a year on average in Dorset alone, that's a lot for supposedly so few people eh? Sigurd Hoeberth
  • Score: 14

11:00am Sat 10 May 14

woodsedge says...

So that I am not accused of stalking, could somebody please give me the source that gives a government breakdown of Dorset crime figures committed by 'immigrants'.
So that I am not accused of stalking, could somebody please give me the source that gives a government breakdown of Dorset crime figures committed by 'immigrants'. woodsedge
  • Score: 5

11:12am Sat 10 May 14

cosmick says...

I think you will find that the local schools for local kids, means that kids who were born in the local area should not be displaced in schools by people comming from other countrys and taking up the places.
I THINK THIS MAN IS LOOKING TO STIR UP A HORNETS NEST FOR HIS OWN ENDS.
What does he think is going to happen his kids will not get schooling?
I think you will find that the local schools for local kids, means that kids who were born in the local area should not be displaced in schools by people comming from other countrys and taking up the places. I THINK THIS MAN IS LOOKING TO STIR UP A HORNETS NEST FOR HIS OWN ENDS. What does he think is going to happen his kids will not get schooling? cosmick
  • Score: 14

11:15am Sat 10 May 14

Sigurd Hoeberth says...

http://www.sendspace

.com/file/z5h8vz

It was given to you before on the translator story .
http://www.sendspace .com/file/z5h8vz It was given to you before on the translator story . Sigurd Hoeberth
  • Score: 1

11:18am Sat 10 May 14

Sigurd Hoeberth says...

Sorry bad link in that last one, here you go Woodsedge.

http://www.sendspace
.com/file/bavkuz
Sorry bad link in that last one, here you go Woodsedge. http://www.sendspace .com/file/bavkuz Sigurd Hoeberth
  • Score: 8

11:40am Sat 10 May 14

woodsedge says...

Thanks Sigurd, sorry but I am not a member and is a link to official government statistics?
Thanks Sigurd, sorry but I am not a member and is a link to official government statistics? woodsedge
  • Score: -3

11:42am Sat 10 May 14

Sigurd Hoeberth says...

woodsedge wrote:
Thanks Sigurd, sorry but I am not a member and is a link to official government statistics?
You don't have to be a member of anything Woodsedge, just click and download it, it is an official PDF document I was passed, if you want to ignore that as a way to avoid, then go find one yourself.
[quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: Thanks Sigurd, sorry but I am not a member and is a link to official government statistics?[/p][/quote]You don't have to be a member of anything Woodsedge, just click and download it, it is an official PDF document I was passed, if you want to ignore that as a way to avoid, then go find one yourself. Sigurd Hoeberth
  • Score: 8

11:54am Sat 10 May 14

JamesYoung says...

woodsedge wrote:
Thanks Sigurd, sorry but I am not a member and is a link to official government statistics?
I've got a few dozen youtube videos if you like ;-)
[quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: Thanks Sigurd, sorry but I am not a member and is a link to official government statistics?[/p][/quote]I've got a few dozen youtube videos if you like ;-) JamesYoung
  • Score: -5

11:55am Sat 10 May 14

JamesYoung says...

Sigurd Hoeberth wrote:
woodsedge wrote:
Thanks Sigurd, sorry but I am not a member and is a link to official government statistics?
You don't have to be a member of anything Woodsedge, just click and download it, it is an official PDF document I was passed, if you want to ignore that as a way to avoid, then go find one yourself.
There are no references in this pdf file. Could be entirely made up....
[quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoeberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: Thanks Sigurd, sorry but I am not a member and is a link to official government statistics?[/p][/quote]You don't have to be a member of anything Woodsedge, just click and download it, it is an official PDF document I was passed, if you want to ignore that as a way to avoid, then go find one yourself.[/p][/quote]There are no references in this pdf file. Could be entirely made up.... JamesYoung
  • Score: 7

11:59am Sat 10 May 14

JamesYoung says...

I have to say, having read the letter, i don't see what justifies the outbursts of horror on social media.
UKIP quite clearly state that priority should be given to people that already live here. This chaps wife already lives here.
UKIP also quite clearly states that they are against open door immigration. This is also the conclusion of MigrationWatch, the independent think tank.
I have to say, having read the letter, i don't see what justifies the outbursts of horror on social media. UKIP quite clearly state that priority should be given to people that already live here. This chaps wife already lives here. UKIP also quite clearly states that they are against open door immigration. This is also the conclusion of MigrationWatch, the independent think tank. JamesYoung
  • Score: 30

12:00pm Sat 10 May 14

Sigurd Hoeberth says...

JamesYoung wrote:
Sigurd Hoeberth wrote:
woodsedge wrote:
Thanks Sigurd, sorry but I am not a member and is a link to official government statistics?
You don't have to be a member of anything Woodsedge, just click and download it, it is an official PDF document I was passed, if you want to ignore that as a way to avoid, then go find one yourself.
There are no references in this pdf file. Could be entirely made up....
Yeah you're right, but I have no reason to believe it is. Perhaps you could ask the authorities if you are not satisfied with it's authenticity yourself and let us know.
[quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoeberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: Thanks Sigurd, sorry but I am not a member and is a link to official government statistics?[/p][/quote]You don't have to be a member of anything Woodsedge, just click and download it, it is an official PDF document I was passed, if you want to ignore that as a way to avoid, then go find one yourself.[/p][/quote]There are no references in this pdf file. Could be entirely made up....[/p][/quote]Yeah you're right, but I have no reason to believe it is. Perhaps you could ask the authorities if you are not satisfied with it's authenticity yourself and let us know. Sigurd Hoeberth
  • Score: 6

1:15pm Sat 10 May 14

woodsedge says...

In my opinion it It cannot be a legitimate document if it refers to crimes committed by immigrants. What is the definition of an immigrant?
In my opinion it It cannot be a legitimate document if it refers to crimes committed by immigrants. What is the definition of an immigrant? woodsedge
  • Score: -12

2:10pm Sat 10 May 14

Behemoth says...

JamesYoung wrote:
I have to say, having read the letter, i don't see what justifies the outbursts of horror on social media.
UKIP quite clearly state that priority should be given to people that already live here. This chaps wife already lives here.
UKIP also quite clearly states that they are against open door immigration. This is also the conclusion of MigrationWatch, the independent think tank.
The email exchange demonstrates the point quite well I think. The Echo has chosen not to discuss the critical issue of using national data on local elections. The figures are not relevant to the local elections. Surely, we should be voting on local matters for people that have a vision a good idea and can harness the energy that is around. The forum here is an example, of course. We spend time discussing the matters at hand don't we? Thus we have some energy.
[quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: I have to say, having read the letter, i don't see what justifies the outbursts of horror on social media. UKIP quite clearly state that priority should be given to people that already live here. This chaps wife already lives here. UKIP also quite clearly states that they are against open door immigration. This is also the conclusion of MigrationWatch, the independent think tank.[/p][/quote]The email exchange demonstrates the point quite well I think. The Echo has chosen not to discuss the critical issue of using national data on local elections. The figures are not relevant to the local elections. Surely, we should be voting on local matters for people that have a vision a good idea and can harness the energy that is around. The forum here is an example, of course. We spend time discussing the matters at hand don't we? Thus we have some energy. Behemoth
  • Score: 3

2:13pm Sat 10 May 14

Behemoth says...

cj07589 wrote:
No sure what's the big deal is, local housing should be supplied to locals especially in Dorset if its an issue then mr west has every right to buy on the open market like the rest of us. A non story, I assume the purpose of the article is to smear UKIP in line with the wider media's attempts nationally. Before you whinge in reply I'm not born in the UK either and my wife is a EU national and completely support UKIP over the Lie/limp/cons. Bottom line is if you don't like it don't vote it's called democracy.
The point is made in the emails. In the local election they are using statistics from a national data collection. As was shown this is not an issue here. In fact schools have been under-subscribed, there's been a slight reduction in the local population etc.
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: No sure what's the big deal is, local housing should be supplied to locals especially in Dorset if its an issue then mr west has every right to buy on the open market like the rest of us. A non story, I assume the purpose of the article is to smear UKIP in line with the wider media's attempts nationally. Before you whinge in reply I'm not born in the UK either and my wife is a EU national and completely support UKIP over the Lie/limp/cons. Bottom line is if you don't like it don't vote it's called democracy.[/p][/quote]The point is made in the emails. In the local election they are using statistics from a national data collection. As was shown this is not an issue here. In fact schools have been under-subscribed, there's been a slight reduction in the local population etc. Behemoth
  • Score: 1

2:21pm Sat 10 May 14

breamoreboy says...

cj07589 wrote:
No sure what's the big deal is, local housing should be supplied to locals especially in Dorset if its an issue then mr west has every right to buy on the open market like the rest of us. A non story, I assume the purpose of the article is to smear UKIP in line with the wider media's attempts nationally. Before you whinge in reply I'm not born in the UK either and my wife is a EU national and completely support UKIP over the Lie/limp/cons. Bottom line is if you don't like it don't vote it's called democracy.
It's called democracy and that's wrong, we actually have a representative government. If I make this point often enough people might actually start to understand just how important this is, but I don't intend holding my breath.
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: No sure what's the big deal is, local housing should be supplied to locals especially in Dorset if its an issue then mr west has every right to buy on the open market like the rest of us. A non story, I assume the purpose of the article is to smear UKIP in line with the wider media's attempts nationally. Before you whinge in reply I'm not born in the UK either and my wife is a EU national and completely support UKIP over the Lie/limp/cons. Bottom line is if you don't like it don't vote it's called democracy.[/p][/quote]It's called democracy and that's wrong, we actually have a representative government. If I make this point often enough people might actually start to understand just how important this is, but I don't intend holding my breath. breamoreboy
  • Score: -2

2:21pm Sat 10 May 14

Behemoth says...

MrTomSmith wrote:
How is the plan to regenerate Weymouth going Jason? You like the limelight don't you.
I can help answer that one. If you want a detailed update there's a meeting at Caffe Nero at 5pm on Thursday.

The way to regenerate the town (and it's doing better than a lot of seaside towns without, as yet, any major investments) is to get people being creative, inspiring a vision in our young people and supporting people to create business, to promote the borough and to work with each other.

There's been conversations with the council, with young people, with Art Wey, with local business at BNI and the Chamber of Commerce, with some of the local media and with groups and organisations outside of the borough. There's a community growing, an ideas by members of the community being discussed and voted on. Feel free to say your piece and help out. :)

The Echo have decided to run with the story as 'viral' rather than the local and statistical discussion the Emil exchange was really about. This now makes it look like an attention seeking story rather than a political engagement about the misuse of national statistics that are not appropriate to a local election. It's a shame.

#Weyforward is not about Jason. It's about the community. I'm sure he'd say the same.
[quote][p][bold]MrTomSmith[/bold] wrote: How is the plan to regenerate Weymouth going Jason? You like the limelight don't you.[/p][/quote]I can help answer that one. If you want a detailed update there's a meeting at Caffe Nero at 5pm on Thursday. The way to regenerate the town (and it's doing better than a lot of seaside towns without, as yet, any major investments) is to get people being creative, inspiring a vision in our young people and supporting people to create business, to promote the borough and to work with each other. There's been conversations with the council, with young people, with Art Wey, with local business at BNI and the Chamber of Commerce, with some of the local media and with groups and organisations outside of the borough. There's a community growing, an ideas by members of the community being discussed and voted on. Feel free to say your piece and help out. :) The Echo have decided to run with the story as 'viral' rather than the local and statistical discussion the Emil exchange was really about. This now makes it look like an attention seeking story rather than a political engagement about the misuse of national statistics that are not appropriate to a local election. It's a shame. #Weyforward is not about Jason. It's about the community. I'm sure he'd say the same. Behemoth
  • Score: 9

2:28pm Sat 10 May 14

cj07589 says...

woodsedge wrote:
So you define 'local'.
I'm surprised at you Woodsedge not seeing the wood for the trees or do you share the same agenda as Jason?
It's is abundantly clear Jason West full intention was to search for any reason to smear evident by him stating local statistics in retort to a Alan A,s reference to a general nationwide point.
The decent thing Jason could have done was compare apples to apples but I strongly expect he was never looking to play fair.
I'm no long surprised to what shallow depths these swivel eyed loonies will sink to mis-represent UKIP their intolerance is evident it's even sadder that the media are fuelling their bigotry and undermining the electorate right to a fair and open debate of the pertaining issues so people can make their own minds up.
[quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: So you define 'local'.[/p][/quote]I'm surprised at you Woodsedge not seeing the wood for the trees or do you share the same agenda as Jason? It's is abundantly clear Jason West full intention was to search for any reason to smear evident by him stating local statistics in retort to a Alan A,s reference to a general nationwide point. The decent thing Jason could have done was compare apples to apples but I strongly expect he was never looking to play fair. I'm no long surprised to what shallow depths these swivel eyed loonies will sink to mis-represent UKIP their intolerance is evident it's even sadder that the media are fuelling their bigotry and undermining the electorate right to a fair and open debate of the pertaining issues so people can make their own minds up. cj07589
  • Score: 5

2:33pm Sat 10 May 14

breamoreboy says...

Sigurd Hoeberth wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
No sure what's the big deal is, local housing should be supplied to locals especially in Dorset if its an issue then mr west has every right to buy on the open market like the rest of us. A non story, I assume the purpose of the article is to smear UKIP in line with the wider media's attempts nationally. Before you whinge in reply I'm not born in the UK either and my wife is a EU national and completely support UKIP over the Lie/limp/cons. Bottom line is if you don't like it don't vote it's called democracy.
Of course it is smear tactics even down to using hyperbole about it going "Viral" when the numbers quoted are a few million lower than would be normally expected for anything to be called, "viral" on the internet.

I am curious though, the council figures quoted in the exchange, tell me, how do they come to these figures when anyone from the EU can fly, walk, drive, sail straight into the country completely unchecked and unregistered? 190 migrants , sorry I don't buy that.

The crime figures for Dorset however show another part of the story and how migrants have added over 1400 crimes a year on average in Dorset alone, that's a lot for supposedly so few people eh?
190 migrants, 1400 crimes, that's less than 10 per year each, i.e. less than one per month per migrant. Allow for a few full time burglars and I could easily believe that figure. Of course the problem could be solved by shipping them back to where they came from, in this case most likely Liverpool, possibly Glasgow.
[quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoeberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: No sure what's the big deal is, local housing should be supplied to locals especially in Dorset if its an issue then mr west has every right to buy on the open market like the rest of us. A non story, I assume the purpose of the article is to smear UKIP in line with the wider media's attempts nationally. Before you whinge in reply I'm not born in the UK either and my wife is a EU national and completely support UKIP over the Lie/limp/cons. Bottom line is if you don't like it don't vote it's called democracy.[/p][/quote]Of course it is smear tactics even down to using hyperbole about it going "Viral" when the numbers quoted are a few million lower than would be normally expected for anything to be called, "viral" on the internet. I am curious though, the council figures quoted in the exchange, tell me, how do they come to these figures when anyone from the EU can fly, walk, drive, sail straight into the country completely unchecked and unregistered? 190 migrants , sorry I don't buy that. The crime figures for Dorset however show another part of the story and how migrants have added over 1400 crimes a year on average in Dorset alone, that's a lot for supposedly so few people eh?[/p][/quote]190 migrants, 1400 crimes, that's less than 10 per year each, i.e. less than one per month per migrant. Allow for a few full time burglars and I could easily believe that figure. Of course the problem could be solved by shipping them back to where they came from, in this case most likely Liverpool, possibly Glasgow. breamoreboy
  • Score: 6

2:34pm Sat 10 May 14

Behemoth says...

cj07589 wrote:
woodsedge wrote:
So you define 'local'.
I'm surprised at you Woodsedge not seeing the wood for the trees or do you share the same agenda as Jason?
It's is abundantly clear Jason West full intention was to search for any reason to smear evident by him stating local statistics in retort to a Alan A,s reference to a general nationwide point.
The decent thing Jason could have done was compare apples to apples but I strongly expect he was never looking to play fair.
I'm no long surprised to what shallow depths these swivel eyed loonies will sink to mis-represent UKIP their intolerance is evident it's even sadder that the media are fuelling their bigotry and undermining the electorate right to a fair and open debate of the pertaining issues so people can make their own minds up.
No. His exchange was about a local election leaflet. It is irrelevant to quote national statistics when deciding local council elections, no? Should we vote for Lib Dems because Nick Clegg 'helped the poorest' or anything any of the national parties claim to have done? Clearly we should be looking at the vision people have for our area. Sure, debate the figures when it is relevant. That is, when there is a national election.

By the way if anyone is interested according to the telegraph European migrants caused 27000 crimes in 2010. This is 0.2% of the total.
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: So you define 'local'.[/p][/quote]I'm surprised at you Woodsedge not seeing the wood for the trees or do you share the same agenda as Jason? It's is abundantly clear Jason West full intention was to search for any reason to smear evident by him stating local statistics in retort to a Alan A,s reference to a general nationwide point. The decent thing Jason could have done was compare apples to apples but I strongly expect he was never looking to play fair. I'm no long surprised to what shallow depths these swivel eyed loonies will sink to mis-represent UKIP their intolerance is evident it's even sadder that the media are fuelling their bigotry and undermining the electorate right to a fair and open debate of the pertaining issues so people can make their own minds up.[/p][/quote]No. His exchange was about a local election leaflet. It is irrelevant to quote national statistics when deciding local council elections, no? Should we vote for Lib Dems because Nick Clegg 'helped the poorest' or anything any of the national parties claim to have done? Clearly we should be looking at the vision people have for our area. Sure, debate the figures when it is relevant. That is, when there is a national election. By the way if anyone is interested according to the telegraph European migrants caused 27000 crimes in 2010. This is 0.2% of the total. Behemoth
  • Score: 5

2:35pm Sat 10 May 14

WeyPeninsula says...

Only 190 people from outside the UK moved into Weymouth and Portland in the most recent annual figure on the Dorset County Council website (that's 0.2% of the total 64,000). Our man at UKIP used the the term "flocking into". Their election leaflets extrapolate their national argument to Weymouth and Portland. It simply isn't true but for some reason they will not admit it. Why?
Only 190 people from outside the UK moved into Weymouth and Portland in the most recent annual figure on the Dorset County Council website (that's 0.2% of the total 64,000). Our man at UKIP used the the term "flocking into". Their election leaflets extrapolate their national argument to Weymouth and Portland. It simply isn't true but for some reason they will not admit it. Why? WeyPeninsula
  • Score: 7

2:36pm Sat 10 May 14

Behemoth says...

breamoreboy wrote:
Sigurd Hoeberth wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
No sure what's the big deal is, local housing should be supplied to locals especially in Dorset if its an issue then mr west has every right to buy on the open market like the rest of us. A non story, I assume the purpose of the article is to smear UKIP in line with the wider media's attempts nationally. Before you whinge in reply I'm not born in the UK either and my wife is a EU national and completely support UKIP over the Lie/limp/cons. Bottom line is if you don't like it don't vote it's called democracy.
Of course it is smear tactics even down to using hyperbole about it going "Viral" when the numbers quoted are a few million lower than would be normally expected for anything to be called, "viral" on the internet.

I am curious though, the council figures quoted in the exchange, tell me, how do they come to these figures when anyone from the EU can fly, walk, drive, sail straight into the country completely unchecked and unregistered? 190 migrants , sorry I don't buy that.

The crime figures for Dorset however show another part of the story and how migrants have added over 1400 crimes a year on average in Dorset alone, that's a lot for supposedly so few people eh?
190 migrants, 1400 crimes, that's less than 10 per year each, i.e. less than one per month per migrant. Allow for a few full time burglars and I could easily believe that figure. Of course the problem could be solved by shipping them back to where they came from, in this case most likely Liverpool, possibly Glasgow.
Wasn't the 190 migrants figure in relation to Weymouth and Portland? The 1400 supposed crimes related to Dorset as a whole?
[quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoeberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: No sure what's the big deal is, local housing should be supplied to locals especially in Dorset if its an issue then mr west has every right to buy on the open market like the rest of us. A non story, I assume the purpose of the article is to smear UKIP in line with the wider media's attempts nationally. Before you whinge in reply I'm not born in the UK either and my wife is a EU national and completely support UKIP over the Lie/limp/cons. Bottom line is if you don't like it don't vote it's called democracy.[/p][/quote]Of course it is smear tactics even down to using hyperbole about it going "Viral" when the numbers quoted are a few million lower than would be normally expected for anything to be called, "viral" on the internet. I am curious though, the council figures quoted in the exchange, tell me, how do they come to these figures when anyone from the EU can fly, walk, drive, sail straight into the country completely unchecked and unregistered? 190 migrants , sorry I don't buy that. The crime figures for Dorset however show another part of the story and how migrants have added over 1400 crimes a year on average in Dorset alone, that's a lot for supposedly so few people eh?[/p][/quote]190 migrants, 1400 crimes, that's less than 10 per year each, i.e. less than one per month per migrant. Allow for a few full time burglars and I could easily believe that figure. Of course the problem could be solved by shipping them back to where they came from, in this case most likely Liverpool, possibly Glasgow.[/p][/quote]Wasn't the 190 migrants figure in relation to Weymouth and Portland? The 1400 supposed crimes related to Dorset as a whole? Behemoth
  • Score: 3

2:39pm Sat 10 May 14

cj07589 says...

Behemoth wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
No sure what's the big deal is, local housing should be supplied to locals especially in Dorset if its an issue then mr west has every right to buy on the open market like the rest of us. A non story, I assume the purpose of the article is to smear UKIP in line with the wider media's attempts nationally. Before you whinge in reply I'm not born in the UK either and my wife is a EU national and completely support UKIP over the Lie/limp/cons. Bottom line is if you don't like it don't vote it's called democracy.
The point is made in the emails. In the local election they are using statistics from a national data collection. As was shown this is not an issue here. In fact schools have been under-subscribed, there's been a slight reduction in the local population etc.
Then you have not read and understood their manifesto properly have you.
[quote][p][bold]Behemoth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: No sure what's the big deal is, local housing should be supplied to locals especially in Dorset if its an issue then mr west has every right to buy on the open market like the rest of us. A non story, I assume the purpose of the article is to smear UKIP in line with the wider media's attempts nationally. Before you whinge in reply I'm not born in the UK either and my wife is a EU national and completely support UKIP over the Lie/limp/cons. Bottom line is if you don't like it don't vote it's called democracy.[/p][/quote]The point is made in the emails. In the local election they are using statistics from a national data collection. As was shown this is not an issue here. In fact schools have been under-subscribed, there's been a slight reduction in the local population etc.[/p][/quote]Then you have not read and understood their manifesto properly have you. cj07589
  • Score: 0

2:54pm Sat 10 May 14

cj07589 says...

cosmick wrote:
I think you will find that the local schools for local kids, means that kids who were born in the local area should not be displaced in schools by people comming from other countrys and taking up the places.
I THINK THIS MAN IS LOOKING TO STIR UP A HORNETS NEST FOR HIS OWN ENDS.
What does he think is going to happen his kids will not get schooling?
That was exactly the intention it's not the first time the left have sought to antagonise, misrepresent and oppress others with a different perspective. It's not rocket science to understand UKIP is about leaving the European fiddle and installing common sense at a national level.
As is said before it's called democracy nobody is holding your hand or forcing you to vote.
[quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: I think you will find that the local schools for local kids, means that kids who were born in the local area should not be displaced in schools by people comming from other countrys and taking up the places. I THINK THIS MAN IS LOOKING TO STIR UP A HORNETS NEST FOR HIS OWN ENDS. What does he think is going to happen his kids will not get schooling?[/p][/quote]That was exactly the intention it's not the first time the left have sought to antagonise, misrepresent and oppress others with a different perspective. It's not rocket science to understand UKIP is about leaving the European fiddle and installing common sense at a national level. As is said before it's called democracy nobody is holding your hand or forcing you to vote. cj07589
  • Score: 2

2:54pm Sat 10 May 14

Sigurd Hoeberth says...

WeyPeninsula wrote:
Only 190 people from outside the UK moved into Weymouth and Portland in the most recent annual figure on the Dorset County Council website (that's 0.2% of the total 64,000). Our man at UKIP used the the term "flocking into". Their election leaflets extrapolate their national argument to Weymouth and Portland. It simply isn't true but for some reason they will not admit it. Why?
The 190 then is only the most recent Annual one, not the amount that has moved here over the years they have been able to which of course is higher.

I also question this 190 figure quoted by authority as we have open borders and anyone can just walk, fly, train, car, ferry in from the EU and I would ask to know how this figure is calculated when we have no proper enforced registration system or proper control of who is actually here, what is that figure based on?
[quote][p][bold]WeyPeninsula[/bold] wrote: Only 190 people from outside the UK moved into Weymouth and Portland in the most recent annual figure on the Dorset County Council website (that's 0.2% of the total 64,000). Our man at UKIP used the the term "flocking into". Their election leaflets extrapolate their national argument to Weymouth and Portland. It simply isn't true but for some reason they will not admit it. Why?[/p][/quote]The 190 then is only the most recent Annual one, not the amount that has moved here over the years they have been able to which of course is higher. I also question this 190 figure quoted by authority as we have open borders and anyone can just walk, fly, train, car, ferry in from the EU and I would ask to know how this figure is calculated when we have no proper enforced registration system or proper control of who is actually here, what is that figure based on? Sigurd Hoeberth
  • Score: 7

2:54pm Sat 10 May 14

Genghis says...

cj07589 wrote:
woodsedge wrote:
So you define 'local'.
I'm surprised at you Woodsedge not seeing the wood for the trees or do you share the same agenda as Jason?
It's is abundantly clear Jason West full intention was to search for any reason to smear evident by him stating local statistics in retort to a Alan A,s reference to a general nationwide point.
The decent thing Jason could have done was compare apples to apples but I strongly expect he was never looking to play fair.
I'm no long surprised to what shallow depths these swivel eyed loonies will sink to mis-represent UKIP their intolerance is evident it's even sadder that the media are fuelling their bigotry and undermining the electorate right to a fair and open debate of the pertaining issues so people can make their own minds up.
It still doesn't answer the question as to how UKIP and their supporters define local. From the e-mail and the comments by UKIP members and supporters above each have their own individual definitions.

Now Sandra Cobb isn't standing for a national position. She's standing for a seat on W&PBC. So a question for clarification of her stance about local schools and local housing for locals is relevant. I realise that Mr West is making a bit of capital out of the leaflet and media attention. But as he does have a wife who is Danish, he has every right to raise questions of people that may well be representing him and his family on the local council, particularly as the election leaflet also states that UKIP "would prefer to give locals priority over EU migrants." If I had a wife or relatives that were EU migrants I would want these candidates to explain their position in more detail as well.
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: So you define 'local'.[/p][/quote]I'm surprised at you Woodsedge not seeing the wood for the trees or do you share the same agenda as Jason? It's is abundantly clear Jason West full intention was to search for any reason to smear evident by him stating local statistics in retort to a Alan A,s reference to a general nationwide point. The decent thing Jason could have done was compare apples to apples but I strongly expect he was never looking to play fair. I'm no long surprised to what shallow depths these swivel eyed loonies will sink to mis-represent UKIP their intolerance is evident it's even sadder that the media are fuelling their bigotry and undermining the electorate right to a fair and open debate of the pertaining issues so people can make their own minds up.[/p][/quote]It still doesn't answer the question as to how UKIP and their supporters define local. From the e-mail and the comments by UKIP members and supporters above each have their own individual definitions. Now Sandra Cobb isn't standing for a national position. She's standing for a seat on W&PBC. So a question for clarification of her stance about local schools and local housing for locals is relevant. I realise that Mr West is making a bit of capital out of the leaflet and media attention. But as he does have a wife who is Danish, he has every right to raise questions of people that may well be representing him and his family on the local council, particularly as the election leaflet also states that UKIP "would prefer to give locals priority over EU migrants." If I had a wife or relatives that were EU migrants I would want these candidates to explain their position in more detail as well. Genghis
  • Score: 9

2:56pm Sat 10 May 14

Behemoth says...

cj07589 wrote:
Behemoth wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
No sure what's the big deal is, local housing should be supplied to locals especially in Dorset if its an issue then mr west has every right to buy on the open market like the rest of us. A non story, I assume the purpose of the article is to smear UKIP in line with the wider media's attempts nationally. Before you whinge in reply I'm not born in the UK either and my wife is a EU national and completely support UKIP over the Lie/limp/cons. Bottom line is if you don't like it don't vote it's called democracy.
The point is made in the emails. In the local election they are using statistics from a national data collection. As was shown this is not an issue here. In fact schools have been under-subscribed, there's been a slight reduction in the local population etc.
Then you have not read and understood their manifesto properly have you.
Can you give me a link to their local manifesto? I haven't seen it. I'm basing the comments on the local election flyer which quotes national statistics in a local context. A context for which the figures are not suited. In Weymouth and Portland we are not oversubscribed in schools and we have lost a small amount in our population. This is what the exchange of emails was about was it not?
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Behemoth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: No sure what's the big deal is, local housing should be supplied to locals especially in Dorset if its an issue then mr west has every right to buy on the open market like the rest of us. A non story, I assume the purpose of the article is to smear UKIP in line with the wider media's attempts nationally. Before you whinge in reply I'm not born in the UK either and my wife is a EU national and completely support UKIP over the Lie/limp/cons. Bottom line is if you don't like it don't vote it's called democracy.[/p][/quote]The point is made in the emails. In the local election they are using statistics from a national data collection. As was shown this is not an issue here. In fact schools have been under-subscribed, there's been a slight reduction in the local population etc.[/p][/quote]Then you have not read and understood their manifesto properly have you.[/p][/quote]Can you give me a link to their local manifesto? I haven't seen it. I'm basing the comments on the local election flyer which quotes national statistics in a local context. A context for which the figures are not suited. In Weymouth and Portland we are not oversubscribed in schools and we have lost a small amount in our population. This is what the exchange of emails was about was it not? Behemoth
  • Score: 6

2:58pm Sat 10 May 14

woodsedge says...

cj07589 wrote:
Behemoth wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
No sure what's the big deal is, local housing should be supplied to locals especially in Dorset if its an issue then mr west has every right to buy on the open market like the rest of us. A non story, I assume the purpose of the article is to smear UKIP in line with the wider media's attempts nationally. Before you whinge in reply I'm not born in the UK either and my wife is a EU national and completely support UKIP over the Lie/limp/cons. Bottom line is if you don't like it don't vote it's called democracy.
The point is made in the emails. In the local election they are using statistics from a national data collection. As was shown this is not an issue here. In fact schools have been under-subscribed, there's been a slight reduction in the local population etc.
Then you have not read and understood their manifesto properly have you.
But according to Farage on Question Time UKIP does not currently have a manifesto! If you do not believe me watch it on catch up. They did have one until recently when they were challenged on it and it miraculously disappeared! So which is it a manifesto to or no manifesto, definition of being local?
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Behemoth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: No sure what's the big deal is, local housing should be supplied to locals especially in Dorset if its an issue then mr west has every right to buy on the open market like the rest of us. A non story, I assume the purpose of the article is to smear UKIP in line with the wider media's attempts nationally. Before you whinge in reply I'm not born in the UK either and my wife is a EU national and completely support UKIP over the Lie/limp/cons. Bottom line is if you don't like it don't vote it's called democracy.[/p][/quote]The point is made in the emails. In the local election they are using statistics from a national data collection. As was shown this is not an issue here. In fact schools have been under-subscribed, there's been a slight reduction in the local population etc.[/p][/quote]Then you have not read and understood their manifesto properly have you.[/p][/quote]But according to Farage on Question Time UKIP does not currently have a manifesto! If you do not believe me watch it on catch up. They did have one until recently when they were challenged on it and it miraculously disappeared! So which is it a manifesto to or no manifesto, definition of being local? woodsedge
  • Score: 3

4:03pm Sat 10 May 14

cj07589 says...

Behemoth wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
Behemoth wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
No sure what's the big deal is, local housing should be supplied to locals especially in Dorset if its an issue then mr west has every right to buy on the open market like the rest of us. A non story, I assume the purpose of the article is to smear UKIP in line with the wider media's attempts nationally. Before you whinge in reply I'm not born in the UK either and my wife is a EU national and completely support UKIP over the Lie/limp/cons. Bottom line is if you don't like it don't vote it's called democracy.
The point is made in the emails. In the local election they are using statistics from a national data collection. As was shown this is not an issue here. In fact schools have been under-subscribed, there's been a slight reduction in the local population etc.
Then you have not read and understood their manifesto properly have you.
Can you give me a link to their local manifesto? I haven't seen it. I'm basing the comments on the local election flyer which quotes national statistics in a local context. A context for which the figures are not suited. In Weymouth and Portland we are not oversubscribed in schools and we have lost a small amount in our population. This is what the exchange of emails was about was it not?
It's on their website so help yourself.
[quote][p][bold]Behemoth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Behemoth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: No sure what's the big deal is, local housing should be supplied to locals especially in Dorset if its an issue then mr west has every right to buy on the open market like the rest of us. A non story, I assume the purpose of the article is to smear UKIP in line with the wider media's attempts nationally. Before you whinge in reply I'm not born in the UK either and my wife is a EU national and completely support UKIP over the Lie/limp/cons. Bottom line is if you don't like it don't vote it's called democracy.[/p][/quote]The point is made in the emails. In the local election they are using statistics from a national data collection. As was shown this is not an issue here. In fact schools have been under-subscribed, there's been a slight reduction in the local population etc.[/p][/quote]Then you have not read and understood their manifesto properly have you.[/p][/quote]Can you give me a link to their local manifesto? I haven't seen it. I'm basing the comments on the local election flyer which quotes national statistics in a local context. A context for which the figures are not suited. In Weymouth and Portland we are not oversubscribed in schools and we have lost a small amount in our population. This is what the exchange of emails was about was it not?[/p][/quote]It's on their website so help yourself. cj07589
  • Score: 3

4:27pm Sat 10 May 14

Under35andout says...

he is a idiot go to luton go to london go to birmingham go to manchester !!! 19-24 yes they leave weymouth for a better life to the city this guy has no idea ,should go back to a city and see the damage that has been done , no jobs , i mean when i was 16 i could go to a agy and get night work that very day ... junk mail , facts are facts YOUNG PEOPLE LEAVE WEYMOUTH BECUASE ITS WHERE YOU COME TO DIE , IDIOTS
he is a idiot go to luton go to london go to birmingham go to manchester !!! 19-24 yes they leave weymouth for a better life to the city this guy has no idea ,should go back to a city and see the damage that has been done , no jobs , i mean when i was 16 i could go to a agy and get night work that very day ... junk mail , facts are facts YOUNG PEOPLE LEAVE WEYMOUTH BECUASE ITS WHERE YOU COME TO DIE , IDIOTS Under35andout
  • Score: -17

4:37pm Sat 10 May 14

woodsedge says...

cj07589 wrote:
Behemoth wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
Behemoth wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
No sure what's the big deal is, local housing should be supplied to locals especially in Dorset if its an issue then mr west has every right to buy on the open market like the rest of us. A non story, I assume the purpose of the article is to smear UKIP in line with the wider media's attempts nationally. Before you whinge in reply I'm not born in the UK either and my wife is a EU national and completely support UKIP over the Lie/limp/cons. Bottom line is if you don't like it don't vote it's called democracy.
The point is made in the emails. In the local election they are using statistics from a national data collection. As was shown this is not an issue here. In fact schools have been under-subscribed, there's been a slight reduction in the local population etc.
Then you have not read and understood their manifesto properly have you.
Can you give me a link to their local manifesto? I haven't seen it. I'm basing the comments on the local election flyer which quotes national statistics in a local context. A context for which the figures are not suited. In Weymouth and Portland we are not oversubscribed in schools and we have lost a small amount in our population. This is what the exchange of emails was about was it not?
It's on their website so help yourself.
So did he or did he not state on national television that they did not have a manifesto? Or do you know something that Farage doesn't?
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Behemoth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Behemoth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: No sure what's the big deal is, local housing should be supplied to locals especially in Dorset if its an issue then mr west has every right to buy on the open market like the rest of us. A non story, I assume the purpose of the article is to smear UKIP in line with the wider media's attempts nationally. Before you whinge in reply I'm not born in the UK either and my wife is a EU national and completely support UKIP over the Lie/limp/cons. Bottom line is if you don't like it don't vote it's called democracy.[/p][/quote]The point is made in the emails. In the local election they are using statistics from a national data collection. As was shown this is not an issue here. In fact schools have been under-subscribed, there's been a slight reduction in the local population etc.[/p][/quote]Then you have not read and understood their manifesto properly have you.[/p][/quote]Can you give me a link to their local manifesto? I haven't seen it. I'm basing the comments on the local election flyer which quotes national statistics in a local context. A context for which the figures are not suited. In Weymouth and Portland we are not oversubscribed in schools and we have lost a small amount in our population. This is what the exchange of emails was about was it not?[/p][/quote]It's on their website so help yourself.[/p][/quote]So did he or did he not state on national television that they did not have a manifesto? Or do you know something that Farage doesn't? woodsedge
  • Score: 1

4:52pm Sat 10 May 14

randomperson says...

Count me as one of the 19-24 group who left.

No decent opportunities or jobs in Weymouth and a stupidly high cost of housing in comparison. Obviously I was mistaken, there are, but these are being taken by the "flocks" of EU migrants. All 190 of them.
Count me as one of the 19-24 group who left. No decent opportunities or jobs in Weymouth and a stupidly high cost of housing in comparison. Obviously I was mistaken, there are, but these are being taken by the "flocks" of EU migrants. All 190 of them. randomperson
  • Score: 0

4:58pm Sat 10 May 14

Sigurd Hoeberth says...

randomperson wrote:
Count me as one of the 19-24 group who left.

No decent opportunities or jobs in Weymouth and a stupidly high cost of housing in comparison. Obviously I was mistaken, there are, but these are being taken by the "flocks" of EU migrants. All 190 of them.
190 so far this year that is don't forget, that was the most recent ( per annum) number. There is still explanation wanting as for how they come to this figure with no border control or mandatory registration, is that 190 claiming benefits, 190 paying tax and working , 190 in prison or 190 they just thought up as a number? I still want to know how they come to this figure and what is taken into account.
[quote][p][bold]randomperson[/bold] wrote: Count me as one of the 19-24 group who left. No decent opportunities or jobs in Weymouth and a stupidly high cost of housing in comparison. Obviously I was mistaken, there are, but these are being taken by the "flocks" of EU migrants. All 190 of them.[/p][/quote]190 so far this year that is don't forget, that was the most recent ( per annum) number. There is still explanation wanting as for how they come to this figure with no border control or mandatory registration, is that 190 claiming benefits, 190 paying tax and working , 190 in prison or 190 they just thought up as a number? I still want to know how they come to this figure and what is taken into account. Sigurd Hoeberth
  • Score: 5

5:09pm Sat 10 May 14

WeyPeninsula says...

MrTomSmith wrote:
How is the plan to regenerate Weymouth going Jason? You like the limelight don't you.
It's going well, people are getting behind it, thanks. It'll take a while.

Do people who have information, opinions and ideas they want to share with their community for the public good like "the limelight"? Probably not. Getting your face in the paper is the price of getting your message out. Unfortunately, but appropriately, the offline media doesn't deal much in anonymity.
[quote][p][bold]MrTomSmith[/bold] wrote: How is the plan to regenerate Weymouth going Jason? You like the limelight don't you.[/p][/quote]It's going well, people are getting behind it, thanks. It'll take a while. Do people who have information, opinions and ideas they want to share with their community for the public good like "the limelight"? Probably not. Getting your face in the paper is the price of getting your message out. Unfortunately, but appropriately, the offline media doesn't deal much in anonymity. WeyPeninsula
  • Score: 0

5:25pm Sat 10 May 14

monkeydog says...

MrTomSmith wrote:
How is the plan to regenerate Weymouth going Jason? You like the limelight don't you.
Jason West is attempting to do something of profound imprtance for Weymouth and it's residents. What are you doing?
[quote][p][bold]MrTomSmith[/bold] wrote: How is the plan to regenerate Weymouth going Jason? You like the limelight don't you.[/p][/quote]Jason West is attempting to do something of profound imprtance for Weymouth and it's residents. What are you doing? monkeydog
  • Score: 8

5:29pm Sat 10 May 14

monkeydog says...

Sigurd Hoeberth wrote:
Sorry bad link in that last one, here you go Woodsedge.

http://www.sendspace

.com/file/bavkuz
It's essentially a list of numbers. We need more than that. For example, who compiled it?
[quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoeberth[/bold] wrote: Sorry bad link in that last one, here you go Woodsedge. http://www.sendspace .com/file/bavkuz[/p][/quote]It's essentially a list of numbers. We need more than that. For example, who compiled it? monkeydog
  • Score: 4

5:32pm Sat 10 May 14

monkeydog says...

cj07589 wrote:
Behemoth wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
No sure what's the big deal is, local housing should be supplied to locals especially in Dorset if its an issue then mr west has every right to buy on the open market like the rest of us. A non story, I assume the purpose of the article is to smear UKIP in line with the wider media's attempts nationally. Before you whinge in reply I'm not born in the UK either and my wife is a EU national and completely support UKIP over the Lie/limp/cons. Bottom line is if you don't like it don't vote it's called democracy.
The point is made in the emails. In the local election they are using statistics from a national data collection. As was shown this is not an issue here. In fact schools have been under-subscribed, there's been a slight reduction in the local population etc.
Then you have not read and understood their manifesto properly have you.
UIKIP don't have a manifesto. Farage scrapped it as he said it was 'drivel'.
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Behemoth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: No sure what's the big deal is, local housing should be supplied to locals especially in Dorset if its an issue then mr west has every right to buy on the open market like the rest of us. A non story, I assume the purpose of the article is to smear UKIP in line with the wider media's attempts nationally. Before you whinge in reply I'm not born in the UK either and my wife is a EU national and completely support UKIP over the Lie/limp/cons. Bottom line is if you don't like it don't vote it's called democracy.[/p][/quote]The point is made in the emails. In the local election they are using statistics from a national data collection. As was shown this is not an issue here. In fact schools have been under-subscribed, there's been a slight reduction in the local population etc.[/p][/quote]Then you have not read and understood their manifesto properly have you.[/p][/quote]UIKIP don't have a manifesto. Farage scrapped it as he said it was 'drivel'. monkeydog
  • Score: 7

5:35pm Sat 10 May 14

randomperson says...

Sigurd Hoeberth wrote:
randomperson wrote:
Count me as one of the 19-24 group who left.

No decent opportunities or jobs in Weymouth and a stupidly high cost of housing in comparison. Obviously I was mistaken, there are, but these are being taken by the "flocks" of EU migrants. All 190 of them.
190 so far this year that is don't forget, that was the most recent ( per annum) number. There is still explanation wanting as for how they come to this figure with no border control or mandatory registration, is that 190 claiming benefits, 190 paying tax and working , 190 in prison or 190 they just thought up as a number? I still want to know how they come to this figure and what is taken into account.
Fair enough. I'm all for facts and it would be interesting to see how such statistics are determined.
[quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoeberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]randomperson[/bold] wrote: Count me as one of the 19-24 group who left. No decent opportunities or jobs in Weymouth and a stupidly high cost of housing in comparison. Obviously I was mistaken, there are, but these are being taken by the "flocks" of EU migrants. All 190 of them.[/p][/quote]190 so far this year that is don't forget, that was the most recent ( per annum) number. There is still explanation wanting as for how they come to this figure with no border control or mandatory registration, is that 190 claiming benefits, 190 paying tax and working , 190 in prison or 190 they just thought up as a number? I still want to know how they come to this figure and what is taken into account.[/p][/quote]Fair enough. I'm all for facts and it would be interesting to see how such statistics are determined. randomperson
  • Score: 3

5:45pm Sat 10 May 14

Behemoth says...

cj07589 wrote:
Behemoth wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
Behemoth wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
No sure what's the big deal is, local housing should be supplied to locals especially in Dorset if its an issue then mr west has every right to buy on the open market like the rest of us. A non story, I assume the purpose of the article is to smear UKIP in line with the wider media's attempts nationally. Before you whinge in reply I'm not born in the UK either and my wife is a EU national and completely support UKIP over the Lie/limp/cons. Bottom line is if you don't like it don't vote it's called democracy.
The point is made in the emails. In the local election they are using statistics from a national data collection. As was shown this is not an issue here. In fact schools have been under-subscribed, there's been a slight reduction in the local population etc.
Then you have not read and understood their manifesto properly have you.
Can you give me a link to their local manifesto? I haven't seen it. I'm basing the comments on the local election flyer which quotes national statistics in a local context. A context for which the figures are not suited. In Weymouth and Portland we are not oversubscribed in schools and we have lost a small amount in our population. This is what the exchange of emails was about was it not?
It's on their website so help yourself.
So they have a local manifesto for Weymouth and Portland? It's not on their webpage unfortunately. I understand their national point. I'm not debating that as it is not what the email exchange is discussing. The point that is being made is that using national figures in the context of the local Weymouth and Portland borough council elections is somewhat dubious. The national figures do not apply here.

And yes, it's fine to question how figures are compiled. Usually local figures are compiled with the intent to support planning for housing, investment, local services and the like. They are not, at least on a local basis, counted in order to make broader national political points. That would make no sense. Please get on the same page as the debate that these emails bring to the attention of local people.
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Behemoth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Behemoth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: No sure what's the big deal is, local housing should be supplied to locals especially in Dorset if its an issue then mr west has every right to buy on the open market like the rest of us. A non story, I assume the purpose of the article is to smear UKIP in line with the wider media's attempts nationally. Before you whinge in reply I'm not born in the UK either and my wife is a EU national and completely support UKIP over the Lie/limp/cons. Bottom line is if you don't like it don't vote it's called democracy.[/p][/quote]The point is made in the emails. In the local election they are using statistics from a national data collection. As was shown this is not an issue here. In fact schools have been under-subscribed, there's been a slight reduction in the local population etc.[/p][/quote]Then you have not read and understood their manifesto properly have you.[/p][/quote]Can you give me a link to their local manifesto? I haven't seen it. I'm basing the comments on the local election flyer which quotes national statistics in a local context. A context for which the figures are not suited. In Weymouth and Portland we are not oversubscribed in schools and we have lost a small amount in our population. This is what the exchange of emails was about was it not?[/p][/quote]It's on their website so help yourself.[/p][/quote]So they have a local manifesto for Weymouth and Portland? It's not on their webpage unfortunately. I understand their national point. I'm not debating that as it is not what the email exchange is discussing. The point that is being made is that using national figures in the context of the local Weymouth and Portland borough council elections is somewhat dubious. The national figures do not apply here. And yes, it's fine to question how figures are compiled. Usually local figures are compiled with the intent to support planning for housing, investment, local services and the like. They are not, at least on a local basis, counted in order to make broader national political points. That would make no sense. Please get on the same page as the debate that these emails bring to the attention of local people. Behemoth
  • Score: 5

5:51pm Sat 10 May 14

Behemoth says...

Under35andout wrote:
he is a idiot go to luton go to london go to birmingham go to manchester !!! 19-24 yes they leave weymouth for a better life to the city this guy has no idea ,should go back to a city and see the damage that has been done , no jobs , i mean when i was 16 i could go to a agy and get night work that very day ... junk mail , facts are facts YOUNG PEOPLE LEAVE WEYMOUTH BECUASE ITS WHERE YOU COME TO DIE , IDIOTS
The point is a local one. You are not really reading the email exchange effectively. We can see from the published figures that Weymouth and Portland has not come under the same strain as other areas. It's quite easy to figure this out when you see how a lot of schools are under subscribed in the area.

Also, if, as you say, cities have become a disaster zone, why would you then claim that young people are leaving for a better life in the cities? Seriously though, it's a challenge for young people everywhere.

It's easy to jump to simple answers on these things. Actually working out what is going on takes a lot of time. No-one has it figured out yet. :)
[quote][p][bold]Under35andout[/bold] wrote: he is a idiot go to luton go to london go to birmingham go to manchester !!! 19-24 yes they leave weymouth for a better life to the city this guy has no idea ,should go back to a city and see the damage that has been done , no jobs , i mean when i was 16 i could go to a agy and get night work that very day ... junk mail , facts are facts YOUNG PEOPLE LEAVE WEYMOUTH BECUASE ITS WHERE YOU COME TO DIE , IDIOTS[/p][/quote]The point is a local one. You are not really reading the email exchange effectively. We can see from the published figures that Weymouth and Portland has not come under the same strain as other areas. It's quite easy to figure this out when you see how a lot of schools are under subscribed in the area. Also, if, as you say, cities have become a disaster zone, why would you then claim that young people are leaving for a better life in the cities? Seriously though, it's a challenge for young people everywhere. It's easy to jump to simple answers on these things. Actually working out what is going on takes a lot of time. No-one has it figured out yet. :) Behemoth
  • Score: 8

5:53pm Sat 10 May 14

Behemoth says...

Quick vote the comment down because you can't actually engage in the debate. Classy.
Quick vote the comment down because you can't actually engage in the debate. Classy. Behemoth
  • Score: -1

6:00pm Sat 10 May 14

Behemoth says...

They have a 'local' manifesto, but it applies to every locality in the country. So it's really a general one. Much of the manifesto does not apply to our district. So, yeah, you'll need to point out what I don't understand about it as it seems pretty straightforward. Cheers.
They have a 'local' manifesto, but it applies to every locality in the country. So it's really a general one. Much of the manifesto does not apply to our district. So, yeah, you'll need to point out what I don't understand about it as it seems pretty straightforward. Cheers. Behemoth
  • Score: 0

6:17pm Sat 10 May 14

woodsedge says...

Behemoth wrote:
Quick vote the comment down because you can't actually engage in the debate. Classy.
You will have to get use to getting voted down on this site due to individuals having multiple accounts (and probably multiple personalities!). I am still waiting to hear from the UKIP brigade regarding the so called manifesto or is Farage a lier? Again you will not get a debate just the same old rhetoric about 'Johnny Foreigner' and the usual scaremongering.
[quote][p][bold]Behemoth[/bold] wrote: Quick vote the comment down because you can't actually engage in the debate. Classy.[/p][/quote]You will have to get use to getting voted down on this site due to individuals having multiple accounts (and probably multiple personalities!). I am still waiting to hear from the UKIP brigade regarding the so called manifesto or is Farage a lier? Again you will not get a debate just the same old rhetoric about 'Johnny Foreigner' and the usual scaremongering. woodsedge
  • Score: 3

6:46pm Sat 10 May 14

Behemoth says...

woodsedge wrote:
Behemoth wrote:
Quick vote the comment down because you can't actually engage in the debate. Classy.
You will have to get use to getting voted down on this site due to individuals having multiple accounts (and probably multiple personalities!). I am still waiting to hear from the UKIP brigade regarding the so called manifesto or is Farage a lier? Again you will not get a debate just the same old rhetoric about 'Johnny Foreigner' and the usual scaremongering.
It's a shame the people in question can't discuss the matter at hand with regards to using national politics on a local level. I wouldn't be arguing the same points if we were looking at the national picture which is more complex, involving ghettos, lack of motivation to do certain types of job, skills shortages and corporate mobility putting pressure on wage growth (and the concomitant desire to use migrants to deflate wage levels). It's not about trying to make UKIP voters look racist - a minority of their members have done a good enough job on their own, but it is about local politics and a local vision which should not be done in a one size fits all 'local' manifesto on the central website. I personally find producing a non-local local manifesto lazy, intellectually weak and somewhat pandering to simple minded people that can't actually be bothered to research stuff for themselves.

I never have understood people voting with national tendencies on local issues. It does not compute.

I guess that will do for now as we aren't getting anywhere. Cheers. Have a good weekend even if you did vote me down. We're just people in the end.
x
[quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Behemoth[/bold] wrote: Quick vote the comment down because you can't actually engage in the debate. Classy.[/p][/quote]You will have to get use to getting voted down on this site due to individuals having multiple accounts (and probably multiple personalities!). I am still waiting to hear from the UKIP brigade regarding the so called manifesto or is Farage a lier? Again you will not get a debate just the same old rhetoric about 'Johnny Foreigner' and the usual scaremongering.[/p][/quote]It's a shame the people in question can't discuss the matter at hand with regards to using national politics on a local level. I wouldn't be arguing the same points if we were looking at the national picture which is more complex, involving ghettos, lack of motivation to do certain types of job, skills shortages and corporate mobility putting pressure on wage growth (and the concomitant desire to use migrants to deflate wage levels). It's not about trying to make UKIP voters look racist - a minority of their members have done a good enough job on their own, but it is about local politics and a local vision which should not be done in a one size fits all 'local' manifesto on the central website. I personally find producing a non-local local manifesto lazy, intellectually weak and somewhat pandering to simple minded people that can't actually be bothered to research stuff for themselves. I never have understood people voting with national tendencies on local issues. It does not compute. I guess that will do for now as we aren't getting anywhere. Cheers. Have a good weekend even if you did vote me down. We're just people in the end. x Behemoth
  • Score: 1

7:39pm Sat 10 May 14

cosmick says...

As i understand it the UKIP party is the only party that is NOT bound by national policys the candidates and the elected UKIP MEMBERS work in the interest of the local people, this will i expect voting against sites for people who move about, houses being built in flood plains , against wind farms. But more important than that looking after the interest of your children and the local residents.
My understanding is they want to get the T.I.C. back that was shut down to save money, But that cost jobs and tourist had no help in booking holidays or trips.
There is more to UKIP than a few nutters slagging them off on here.
I WILL VOTE UKIP. I think the ECHO likes to knock UKIP.
As i understand it the UKIP party is the only party that is NOT bound by national policys the candidates and the elected UKIP MEMBERS work in the interest of the local people, this will i expect voting against sites for people who move about, houses being built in flood plains , against wind farms. But more important than that looking after the interest of your children and the local residents. My understanding is they want to get the T.I.C. back that was shut down to save money, But that cost jobs and tourist had no help in booking holidays or trips. There is more to UKIP than a few nutters slagging them off on here. I WILL VOTE UKIP. I think the ECHO likes to knock UKIP. cosmick
  • Score: 1

7:51pm Sat 10 May 14

Sigurd Hoeberth says...

cosmick wrote:
As i understand it the UKIP party is the only party that is NOT bound by national policys the candidates and the elected UKIP MEMBERS work in the interest of the local people, this will i expect voting against sites for people who move about, houses being built in flood plains , against wind farms. But more important than that looking after the interest of your children and the local residents.
My understanding is they want to get the T.I.C. back that was shut down to save money, But that cost jobs and tourist had no help in booking holidays or trips.
There is more to UKIP than a few nutters slagging them off on here.
I WILL VOTE UKIP. I think the ECHO likes to knock UKIP.
It's okay Cosmick, we will both be voting UKIP. The more they make false allegations, cry racism, lie, use shaming language, scaremongering and so on, the more people are starting to see the pattern and see it for what it is., desperate tactics.

Let the swivel-eyed left carry on, they are working wonders for publicity and waking people up .
[quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: As i understand it the UKIP party is the only party that is NOT bound by national policys the candidates and the elected UKIP MEMBERS work in the interest of the local people, this will i expect voting against sites for people who move about, houses being built in flood plains , against wind farms. But more important than that looking after the interest of your children and the local residents. My understanding is they want to get the T.I.C. back that was shut down to save money, But that cost jobs and tourist had no help in booking holidays or trips. There is more to UKIP than a few nutters slagging them off on here. I WILL VOTE UKIP. I think the ECHO likes to knock UKIP.[/p][/quote]It's okay Cosmick, we will both be voting UKIP. The more they make false allegations, cry racism, lie, use shaming language, scaremongering and so on, the more people are starting to see the pattern and see it for what it is., desperate tactics. Let the swivel-eyed left carry on, they are working wonders for publicity and waking people up . Sigurd Hoeberth
  • Score: 0

8:43pm Sat 10 May 14

breamoreboy says...

cj07589 wrote:
Behemoth wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
No sure what's the big deal is, local housing should be supplied to locals especially in Dorset if its an issue then mr west has every right to buy on the open market like the rest of us. A non story, I assume the purpose of the article is to smear UKIP in line with the wider media's attempts nationally. Before you whinge in reply I'm not born in the UK either and my wife is a EU national and completely support UKIP over the Lie/limp/cons. Bottom line is if you don't like it don't vote it's called democracy.
The point is made in the emails. In the local election they are using statistics from a national data collection. As was shown this is not an issue here. In fact schools have been under-subscribed, there's been a slight reduction in the local population etc.
Then you have not read and understood their manifesto properly have you.
The truth is whatever gets said in a manifesto by any party is usually forgotten about five minutes after they've been elected.
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Behemoth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: No sure what's the big deal is, local housing should be supplied to locals especially in Dorset if its an issue then mr west has every right to buy on the open market like the rest of us. A non story, I assume the purpose of the article is to smear UKIP in line with the wider media's attempts nationally. Before you whinge in reply I'm not born in the UK either and my wife is a EU national and completely support UKIP over the Lie/limp/cons. Bottom line is if you don't like it don't vote it's called democracy.[/p][/quote]The point is made in the emails. In the local election they are using statistics from a national data collection. As was shown this is not an issue here. In fact schools have been under-subscribed, there's been a slight reduction in the local population etc.[/p][/quote]Then you have not read and understood their manifesto properly have you.[/p][/quote]The truth is whatever gets said in a manifesto by any party is usually forgotten about five minutes after they've been elected. breamoreboy
  • Score: 4

8:57pm Sat 10 May 14

breamoreboy says...

Behemoth wrote:
Quick vote the comment down because you can't actually engage in the debate. Classy.
Personally I couldn't care less whether I get voted up or down, I'm only here to express my opinions. One of those is that UKIP, in common with all political parties, is not to be trusted. Can it get any simpler?
[quote][p][bold]Behemoth[/bold] wrote: Quick vote the comment down because you can't actually engage in the debate. Classy.[/p][/quote]Personally I couldn't care less whether I get voted up or down, I'm only here to express my opinions. One of those is that UKIP, in common with all political parties, is not to be trusted. Can it get any simpler? breamoreboy
  • Score: 5

9:16pm Sat 10 May 14

JamesYoung says...

Behemoth wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
woodsedge wrote:
So you define 'local'.
I'm surprised at you Woodsedge not seeing the wood for the trees or do you share the same agenda as Jason?
It's is abundantly clear Jason West full intention was to search for any reason to smear evident by him stating local statistics in retort to a Alan A,s reference to a general nationwide point.
The decent thing Jason could have done was compare apples to apples but I strongly expect he was never looking to play fair.
I'm no long surprised to what shallow depths these swivel eyed loonies will sink to mis-represent UKIP their intolerance is evident it's even sadder that the media are fuelling their bigotry and undermining the electorate right to a fair and open debate of the pertaining issues so people can make their own minds up.
No. His exchange was about a local election leaflet. It is irrelevant to quote national statistics when deciding local council elections, no? Should we vote for Lib Dems because Nick Clegg 'helped the poorest' or anything any of the national parties claim to have done? Clearly we should be looking at the vision people have for our area. Sure, debate the figures when it is relevant. That is, when there is a national election.

By the way if anyone is interested according to the telegraph European migrants caused 27000 crimes in 2010. This is 0.2% of the total.
A meaningless figure (as are Sigurd's).
If you wanted to prove the point one way or another, you could look at the prison population.
Personally i can't be bothered. It's irrelevant. The issue is not about "immigrants" (or shouldn't be), it is about mass immigration that exceeds appropriate investment in infrastructure (hospitals, schools, housing).
[quote][p][bold]Behemoth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: So you define 'local'.[/p][/quote]I'm surprised at you Woodsedge not seeing the wood for the trees or do you share the same agenda as Jason? It's is abundantly clear Jason West full intention was to search for any reason to smear evident by him stating local statistics in retort to a Alan A,s reference to a general nationwide point. The decent thing Jason could have done was compare apples to apples but I strongly expect he was never looking to play fair. I'm no long surprised to what shallow depths these swivel eyed loonies will sink to mis-represent UKIP their intolerance is evident it's even sadder that the media are fuelling their bigotry and undermining the electorate right to a fair and open debate of the pertaining issues so people can make their own minds up.[/p][/quote]No. His exchange was about a local election leaflet. It is irrelevant to quote national statistics when deciding local council elections, no? Should we vote for Lib Dems because Nick Clegg 'helped the poorest' or anything any of the national parties claim to have done? Clearly we should be looking at the vision people have for our area. Sure, debate the figures when it is relevant. That is, when there is a national election. By the way if anyone is interested according to the telegraph European migrants caused 27000 crimes in 2010. This is 0.2% of the total.[/p][/quote]A meaningless figure (as are Sigurd's). If you wanted to prove the point one way or another, you could look at the prison population. Personally i can't be bothered. It's irrelevant. The issue is not about "immigrants" (or shouldn't be), it is about mass immigration that exceeds appropriate investment in infrastructure (hospitals, schools, housing). JamesYoung
  • Score: 2

9:16pm Sat 10 May 14

JamesYoung says...

Behemoth wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
woodsedge wrote:
So you define 'local'.
I'm surprised at you Woodsedge not seeing the wood for the trees or do you share the same agenda as Jason?
It's is abundantly clear Jason West full intention was to search for any reason to smear evident by him stating local statistics in retort to a Alan A,s reference to a general nationwide point.
The decent thing Jason could have done was compare apples to apples but I strongly expect he was never looking to play fair.
I'm no long surprised to what shallow depths these swivel eyed loonies will sink to mis-represent UKIP their intolerance is evident it's even sadder that the media are fuelling their bigotry and undermining the electorate right to a fair and open debate of the pertaining issues so people can make their own minds up.
No. His exchange was about a local election leaflet. It is irrelevant to quote national statistics when deciding local council elections, no? Should we vote for Lib Dems because Nick Clegg 'helped the poorest' or anything any of the national parties claim to have done? Clearly we should be looking at the vision people have for our area. Sure, debate the figures when it is relevant. That is, when there is a national election.

By the way if anyone is interested according to the telegraph European migrants caused 27000 crimes in 2010. This is 0.2% of the total.
A meaningless figure (as are Sigurd's).
If you wanted to prove the point one way or another, you could look at the prison population.
Personally i can't be bothered. It's irrelevant. The issue is not about "immigrants" (or shouldn't be), it is about mass immigration that exceeds appropriate investment in infrastructure (hospitals, schools, housing).
[quote][p][bold]Behemoth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: So you define 'local'.[/p][/quote]I'm surprised at you Woodsedge not seeing the wood for the trees or do you share the same agenda as Jason? It's is abundantly clear Jason West full intention was to search for any reason to smear evident by him stating local statistics in retort to a Alan A,s reference to a general nationwide point. The decent thing Jason could have done was compare apples to apples but I strongly expect he was never looking to play fair. I'm no long surprised to what shallow depths these swivel eyed loonies will sink to mis-represent UKIP their intolerance is evident it's even sadder that the media are fuelling their bigotry and undermining the electorate right to a fair and open debate of the pertaining issues so people can make their own minds up.[/p][/quote]No. His exchange was about a local election leaflet. It is irrelevant to quote national statistics when deciding local council elections, no? Should we vote for Lib Dems because Nick Clegg 'helped the poorest' or anything any of the national parties claim to have done? Clearly we should be looking at the vision people have for our area. Sure, debate the figures when it is relevant. That is, when there is a national election. By the way if anyone is interested according to the telegraph European migrants caused 27000 crimes in 2010. This is 0.2% of the total.[/p][/quote]A meaningless figure (as are Sigurd's). If you wanted to prove the point one way or another, you could look at the prison population. Personally i can't be bothered. It's irrelevant. The issue is not about "immigrants" (or shouldn't be), it is about mass immigration that exceeds appropriate investment in infrastructure (hospitals, schools, housing). JamesYoung
  • Score: 0

9:18pm Sat 10 May 14

woodsedge says...

cosmick wrote:
As i understand it the UKIP party is the only party that is NOT bound by national policys the candidates and the elected UKIP MEMBERS work in the interest of the local people, this will i expect voting against sites for people who move about, houses being built in flood plains , against wind farms. But more important than that looking after the interest of your children and the local residents.
My understanding is they want to get the T.I.C. back that was shut down to save money, But that cost jobs and tourist had no help in booking holidays or trips.
There is more to UKIP than a few nutters slagging them off on here.
I WILL VOTE UKIP. I think the ECHO likes to knock UKIP.
Wait a minute, at last!! There isn't a manifesto!! So let me get this right, locally elected UKIP politicians have total autonomy? How exactly will that work?
[quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: As i understand it the UKIP party is the only party that is NOT bound by national policys the candidates and the elected UKIP MEMBERS work in the interest of the local people, this will i expect voting against sites for people who move about, houses being built in flood plains , against wind farms. But more important than that looking after the interest of your children and the local residents. My understanding is they want to get the T.I.C. back that was shut down to save money, But that cost jobs and tourist had no help in booking holidays or trips. There is more to UKIP than a few nutters slagging them off on here. I WILL VOTE UKIP. I think the ECHO likes to knock UKIP.[/p][/quote]Wait a minute, at last!! There isn't a manifesto!! So let me get this right, locally elected UKIP politicians have total autonomy? How exactly will that work? woodsedge
  • Score: -1

9:19pm Sat 10 May 14

JamesYoung says...

Behemoth wrote:
woodsedge wrote:
Behemoth wrote:
Quick vote the comment down because you can't actually engage in the debate. Classy.
You will have to get use to getting voted down on this site due to individuals having multiple accounts (and probably multiple personalities!). I am still waiting to hear from the UKIP brigade regarding the so called manifesto or is Farage a lier? Again you will not get a debate just the same old rhetoric about 'Johnny Foreigner' and the usual scaremongering.
It's a shame the people in question can't discuss the matter at hand with regards to using national politics on a local level. I wouldn't be arguing the same points if we were looking at the national picture which is more complex, involving ghettos, lack of motivation to do certain types of job, skills shortages and corporate mobility putting pressure on wage growth (and the concomitant desire to use migrants to deflate wage levels). It's not about trying to make UKIP voters look racist - a minority of their members have done a good enough job on their own, but it is about local politics and a local vision which should not be done in a one size fits all 'local' manifesto on the central website. I personally find producing a non-local local manifesto lazy, intellectually weak and somewhat pandering to simple minded people that can't actually be bothered to research stuff for themselves.

I never have understood people voting with national tendencies on local issues. It does not compute.

I guess that will do for now as we aren't getting anywhere. Cheers. Have a good weekend even if you did vote me down. We're just people in the end.
x
As a counter argument to this, i was once a branch chair for Fair Oak Conservatives. Some of the things that they were campaigning for actually conflicted with what their party stood for at a national level, but also conflicted with what their neighbours were doing.
For example, they campaigned rigorously in the 2006 local elections on the issue of wheelie bins and proposed charging. The LibDems, they shouted, are ripping you off.
Yet, drive ten miles out of town and you'd find a Tory council doing the same thing against Labour opposition.
The reality is that local politics is about winning power and nothing to do with local people.
[quote][p][bold]Behemoth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Behemoth[/bold] wrote: Quick vote the comment down because you can't actually engage in the debate. Classy.[/p][/quote]You will have to get use to getting voted down on this site due to individuals having multiple accounts (and probably multiple personalities!). I am still waiting to hear from the UKIP brigade regarding the so called manifesto or is Farage a lier? Again you will not get a debate just the same old rhetoric about 'Johnny Foreigner' and the usual scaremongering.[/p][/quote]It's a shame the people in question can't discuss the matter at hand with regards to using national politics on a local level. I wouldn't be arguing the same points if we were looking at the national picture which is more complex, involving ghettos, lack of motivation to do certain types of job, skills shortages and corporate mobility putting pressure on wage growth (and the concomitant desire to use migrants to deflate wage levels). It's not about trying to make UKIP voters look racist - a minority of their members have done a good enough job on their own, but it is about local politics and a local vision which should not be done in a one size fits all 'local' manifesto on the central website. I personally find producing a non-local local manifesto lazy, intellectually weak and somewhat pandering to simple minded people that can't actually be bothered to research stuff for themselves. I never have understood people voting with national tendencies on local issues. It does not compute. I guess that will do for now as we aren't getting anywhere. Cheers. Have a good weekend even if you did vote me down. We're just people in the end. x[/p][/quote]As a counter argument to this, i was once a branch chair for Fair Oak Conservatives. Some of the things that they were campaigning for actually conflicted with what their party stood for at a national level, but also conflicted with what their neighbours were doing. For example, they campaigned rigorously in the 2006 local elections on the issue of wheelie bins and proposed charging. The LibDems, they shouted, are ripping you off. Yet, drive ten miles out of town and you'd find a Tory council doing the same thing against Labour opposition. The reality is that local politics is about winning power and nothing to do with local people. JamesYoung
  • Score: 9

9:21pm Sat 10 May 14

JamesYoung says...

Sigurd Hoeberth wrote:
JamesYoung wrote:
Sigurd Hoeberth wrote:
woodsedge wrote:
Thanks Sigurd, sorry but I am not a member and is a link to official government statistics?
You don't have to be a member of anything Woodsedge, just click and download it, it is an official PDF document I was passed, if you want to ignore that as a way to avoid, then go find one yourself.
There are no references in this pdf file. Could be entirely made up....
Yeah you're right, but I have no reason to believe it is. Perhaps you could ask the authorities if you are not satisfied with it's authenticity yourself and let us know.
In scientific circles, old bean, it is the responsibility of the person making the argument to provide the proof.
To sling a single page document with no references on it into an argument, and then tell the people you are arguing with that they have to prove that it's not legitimate is a crazy way to argue.
[quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoeberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoeberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: Thanks Sigurd, sorry but I am not a member and is a link to official government statistics?[/p][/quote]You don't have to be a member of anything Woodsedge, just click and download it, it is an official PDF document I was passed, if you want to ignore that as a way to avoid, then go find one yourself.[/p][/quote]There are no references in this pdf file. Could be entirely made up....[/p][/quote]Yeah you're right, but I have no reason to believe it is. Perhaps you could ask the authorities if you are not satisfied with it's authenticity yourself and let us know.[/p][/quote]In scientific circles, old bean, it is the responsibility of the person making the argument to provide the proof. To sling a single page document with no references on it into an argument, and then tell the people you are arguing with that they have to prove that it's not legitimate is a crazy way to argue. JamesYoung
  • Score: 6

8:04am Sun 11 May 14

Rocksalt says...

Well, I have to say I still have no idea as to what UKIP candidates would do if elected to local councils. I did take the trouble to look at the local W&P UKIP but this doesn't mention any local issues or, for that matter, anything that local politicians can influence or control. This does strike me as odd.
Well, I have to say I still have no idea as to what UKIP candidates would do if elected to local councils. I did take the trouble to look at the local W&P UKIP but this doesn't mention any local issues or, for that matter, anything that local politicians can influence or control. This does strike me as odd. Rocksalt
  • Score: 1

8:39am Sun 11 May 14

woodsedge says...

Rocksalt wrote:
Well, I have to say I still have no idea as to what UKIP candidates would do if elected to local councils. I did take the trouble to look at the local W&P UKIP but this doesn't mention any local issues or, for that matter, anything that local politicians can influence or control. This does strike me as odd.
I think that the comments on here and the lack of credible information or manifesto, just re emphasises the fact that they are the angry and protest party. I fully understand the anger and frustration with the three main political parties and our broken political system, and I personally wish that UKIP were more credible. That said and in my humble opinion, to elect them on hot air and anger would be a dangerous knee jerk reaction. In terms of what is wrong in politics they are no different to the other parties, they say one thing and do another. An example only last week of "British jobs for British people" and foreign workers are distributing their EU leaflets because they are "cheap".
[quote][p][bold]Rocksalt[/bold] wrote: Well, I have to say I still have no idea as to what UKIP candidates would do if elected to local councils. I did take the trouble to look at the local W&P UKIP but this doesn't mention any local issues or, for that matter, anything that local politicians can influence or control. This does strike me as odd.[/p][/quote]I think that the comments on here and the lack of credible information or manifesto, just re emphasises the fact that they are the angry and protest party. I fully understand the anger and frustration with the three main political parties and our broken political system, and I personally wish that UKIP were more credible. That said and in my humble opinion, to elect them on hot air and anger would be a dangerous knee jerk reaction. In terms of what is wrong in politics they are no different to the other parties, they say one thing and do another. An example only last week of "British jobs for British people" and foreign workers are distributing their EU leaflets because they are "cheap". woodsedge
  • Score: 2

10:04am Sun 11 May 14

peter.ledger3@btopenworld.com says...

Its pretty much standard practice now to indulge in smear tactics by all the main parties, UKIP is just the latest target for them all, UKIP has dared to put its head over the parapet and say what many are thinking, the other parties are just doing their best to make then sound out and out racist........as to this guy feeling "local" after 5 years sorry son, i lived in a village in somerset back in the 70,s and you had to have at least 3 generations in the graveyard to be local, and as for portland you would have to have more than that ! 5 years pah you only just moved in !!
Its pretty much standard practice now to indulge in smear tactics by all the main parties, UKIP is just the latest target for them all, UKIP has dared to put its head over the parapet and say what many are thinking, the other parties are just doing their best to make then sound out and out racist........as to this guy feeling "local" after 5 years sorry son, i lived in a village in somerset back in the 70,s and you had to have at least 3 generations in the graveyard to be local, and as for portland you would have to have more than that ! 5 years pah you only just moved in !! peter.ledger3@btopenworld.com
  • Score: 3

10:37am Sun 11 May 14

Rocksalt says...

peter.ledger3@btopen
world.com
wrote:
Its pretty much standard practice now to indulge in smear tactics by all the main parties, UKIP is just the latest target for them all, UKIP has dared to put its head over the parapet and say what many are thinking, the other parties are just doing their best to make then sound out and out racist........as to this guy feeling "local" after 5 years sorry son, i lived in a village in somerset back in the 70,s and you had to have at least 3 generations in the graveyard to be local, and as for portland you would have to have more than that ! 5 years pah you only just moved in !!
Nope - Still no idea what UKIPs policies are for the local elections. Any other UKIP supporter care to have a go. This is starting to get silly
I have tried to think how the national policies might apply locally, but that doesn't really help. The number of migrants living locally is tiny, so that's not really an issue. I think UKIP favour nuclear power, so perhaps they would lobby for a power station to be built on the coast. Who knows ?. Cone on boys and girls - what will you do that has any local relevance ?
[quote][p][bold]peter.ledger3@btopen world.com[/bold] wrote: Its pretty much standard practice now to indulge in smear tactics by all the main parties, UKIP is just the latest target for them all, UKIP has dared to put its head over the parapet and say what many are thinking, the other parties are just doing their best to make then sound out and out racist........as to this guy feeling "local" after 5 years sorry son, i lived in a village in somerset back in the 70,s and you had to have at least 3 generations in the graveyard to be local, and as for portland you would have to have more than that ! 5 years pah you only just moved in !![/p][/quote]Nope - Still no idea what UKIPs policies are for the local elections. Any other UKIP supporter care to have a go. This is starting to get silly I have tried to think how the national policies might apply locally, but that doesn't really help. The number of migrants living locally is tiny, so that's not really an issue. I think UKIP favour nuclear power, so perhaps they would lobby for a power station to be built on the coast. Who knows ?. Cone on boys and girls - what will you do that has any local relevance ? Rocksalt
  • Score: -1

11:09am Sun 11 May 14

Genghis says...

peter.ledger3@btopen
world.com
wrote:
Its pretty much standard practice now to indulge in smear tactics by all the main parties, UKIP is just the latest target for them all, UKIP has dared to put its head over the parapet and say what many are thinking, the other parties are just doing their best to make then sound out and out racist........as to this guy feeling "local" after 5 years sorry son, i lived in a village in somerset back in the 70,s and you had to have at least 3 generations in the graveyard to be local, and as for portland you would have to have more than that ! 5 years pah you only just moved in !!
What should be the standard, is for people to be able to question the candidates on their policies and statements they make in election leaflets, the press or elsewhere. How else can you get clarification of their views or decide whether you can put your trust in them in order to vote for them? I ask questions of as many candidates that I can, regardless of what party they stand for. I ask more questions of people that stand as independent candidates. That's not a smear campaign, it's what everybody should do before deciding who to vote for.

In the above article that is exactly what Mr West did. He wanted clarification of a statement put forward by the candidate in his area. A policy that could possibly affect him and his family. Why shouldn't the electorate have such clarification, or should everybody just follow along blindly. swallowing the party line with obedience?

As for the question of what, or who, is considered local, the reply from. UKIP stated that Mr West and his family should have no concerns on that matter. Are the UKIP members and supporters on this thread saying otherwise?

When the UKIP candidates come canvassing around my area, I have a whole list of questions to ask them. That's not a smear campaign, I just want clarification on various points in their election leaflets. Admittedly, I don't have a similar list for the other candidates. That's where there is one big difference between UKIP and all the other parties, or independent candidates, that are standing for election. Since the beginning of the month, I have received two separate election leaflets from UKIP. I haven't had a single leaflet from all the rest of the candidates put together in order for me to compile a list of questions. Seems that they, unlike UKIP, aren't bothered about this election, and I find that very sad.
[quote][p][bold]peter.ledger3@btopen world.com[/bold] wrote: Its pretty much standard practice now to indulge in smear tactics by all the main parties, UKIP is just the latest target for them all, UKIP has dared to put its head over the parapet and say what many are thinking, the other parties are just doing their best to make then sound out and out racist........as to this guy feeling "local" after 5 years sorry son, i lived in a village in somerset back in the 70,s and you had to have at least 3 generations in the graveyard to be local, and as for portland you would have to have more than that ! 5 years pah you only just moved in !![/p][/quote]What should be the standard, is for people to be able to question the candidates on their policies and statements they make in election leaflets, the press or elsewhere. How else can you get clarification of their views or decide whether you can put your trust in them in order to vote for them? I ask questions of as many candidates that I can, regardless of what party they stand for. I ask more questions of people that stand as independent candidates. That's not a smear campaign, it's what everybody should do before deciding who to vote for. In the above article that is exactly what Mr West did. He wanted clarification of a statement put forward by the candidate in his area. A policy that could possibly affect him and his family. Why shouldn't the electorate have such clarification, or should everybody just follow along blindly. swallowing the party line with obedience? As for the question of what, or who, is considered local, the reply from. UKIP stated that Mr West and his family should have no concerns on that matter. Are the UKIP members and supporters on this thread saying otherwise? When the UKIP candidates come canvassing around my area, I have a whole list of questions to ask them. That's not a smear campaign, I just want clarification on various points in their election leaflets. Admittedly, I don't have a similar list for the other candidates. That's where there is one big difference between UKIP and all the other parties, or independent candidates, that are standing for election. Since the beginning of the month, I have received two separate election leaflets from UKIP. I haven't had a single leaflet from all the rest of the candidates put together in order for me to compile a list of questions. Seems that they, unlike UKIP, aren't bothered about this election, and I find that very sad. Genghis
  • Score: 3

2:17pm Sun 11 May 14

breamoreboy says...

woodsedge wrote:
cosmick wrote:
As i understand it the UKIP party is the only party that is NOT bound by national policys the candidates and the elected UKIP MEMBERS work in the interest of the local people, this will i expect voting against sites for people who move about, houses being built in flood plains , against wind farms. But more important than that looking after the interest of your children and the local residents.
My understanding is they want to get the T.I.C. back that was shut down to save money, But that cost jobs and tourist had no help in booking holidays or trips.
There is more to UKIP than a few nutters slagging them off on here.
I WILL VOTE UKIP. I think the ECHO likes to knock UKIP.
Wait a minute, at last!! There isn't a manifesto!! So let me get this right, locally elected UKIP politicians have total autonomy? How exactly will that work?
Isn't that called anarchy?
[quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: As i understand it the UKIP party is the only party that is NOT bound by national policys the candidates and the elected UKIP MEMBERS work in the interest of the local people, this will i expect voting against sites for people who move about, houses being built in flood plains , against wind farms. But more important than that looking after the interest of your children and the local residents. My understanding is they want to get the T.I.C. back that was shut down to save money, But that cost jobs and tourist had no help in booking holidays or trips. There is more to UKIP than a few nutters slagging them off on here. I WILL VOTE UKIP. I think the ECHO likes to knock UKIP.[/p][/quote]Wait a minute, at last!! There isn't a manifesto!! So let me get this right, locally elected UKIP politicians have total autonomy? How exactly will that work?[/p][/quote]Isn't that called anarchy? breamoreboy
  • Score: 0

2:17pm Sun 11 May 14

Rocksalt says...

I see I have a couple of 'thumbs down' responses to my earlier contribution. Presumably for my temerity in simply asking what UKIP councillors might do if elected. A question, I might add, that remains unanswered. Readers will make their own judgement as to what that implies.
I see I have a couple of 'thumbs down' responses to my earlier contribution. Presumably for my temerity in simply asking what UKIP councillors might do if elected. A question, I might add, that remains unanswered. Readers will make their own judgement as to what that implies. Rocksalt
  • Score: 3

2:27pm Sun 11 May 14

breamoreboy says...

Rocksalt wrote:
peter.ledger3@btopen

world.com
wrote:
Its pretty much standard practice now to indulge in smear tactics by all the main parties, UKIP is just the latest target for them all, UKIP has dared to put its head over the parapet and say what many are thinking, the other parties are just doing their best to make then sound out and out racist........as to this guy feeling "local" after 5 years sorry son, i lived in a village in somerset back in the 70,s and you had to have at least 3 generations in the graveyard to be local, and as for portland you would have to have more than that ! 5 years pah you only just moved in !!
Nope - Still no idea what UKIPs policies are for the local elections. Any other UKIP supporter care to have a go. This is starting to get silly
I have tried to think how the national policies might apply locally, but that doesn't really help. The number of migrants living locally is tiny, so that's not really an issue. I think UKIP favour nuclear power, so perhaps they would lobby for a power station to be built on the coast. Who knows ?. Cone on boys and girls - what will you do that has any local relevance ?
I'll set the ball rolling as nobody else will. The first thing UKIP should concentrate on in Weymouth is cutting the cost of a cup of tea and an ice cream on the sea front. Now there's something concrete to get your teeth into, no pun intended.
[quote][p][bold]Rocksalt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peter.ledger3@btopen world.com[/bold] wrote: Its pretty much standard practice now to indulge in smear tactics by all the main parties, UKIP is just the latest target for them all, UKIP has dared to put its head over the parapet and say what many are thinking, the other parties are just doing their best to make then sound out and out racist........as to this guy feeling "local" after 5 years sorry son, i lived in a village in somerset back in the 70,s and you had to have at least 3 generations in the graveyard to be local, and as for portland you would have to have more than that ! 5 years pah you only just moved in !![/p][/quote]Nope - Still no idea what UKIPs policies are for the local elections. Any other UKIP supporter care to have a go. This is starting to get silly I have tried to think how the national policies might apply locally, but that doesn't really help. The number of migrants living locally is tiny, so that's not really an issue. I think UKIP favour nuclear power, so perhaps they would lobby for a power station to be built on the coast. Who knows ?. Cone on boys and girls - what will you do that has any local relevance ?[/p][/quote]I'll set the ball rolling as nobody else will. The first thing UKIP should concentrate on in Weymouth is cutting the cost of a cup of tea and an ice cream on the sea front. Now there's something concrete to get your teeth into, no pun intended. breamoreboy
  • Score: 0

4:03pm Sun 11 May 14

ksmain says...

Having seen the party political broadcast this week gone by the Labour Party, which basically slagged off Nick Clegg (while forgetting he could still hold the whip hand who goes in power next election) and offering nothing in the way of policies to vote on: and seeing the mess that the Tories are making of things, it is no wonder that people are turning to UKIP even though they basically have one policy (and an extreme one at that).

I suspect people are struggling to decide who to vote for next time given how little different the policies are between the two main parties. I mean - who do I vote for? I want Europe to remain a Trading Bloc only, and I have NO INTEREST in the UK joining the Euro (as there is too wide a difference between rich and poor countries in the Eurobloc so it doesn't work and there is plenty evidence of it's failures - Greece for starters anyone) and I have no wish to belong to a Federal Europe. The Germans listened to Hitler after the 1st World War - extreme example - and our country is not in a good way economically and I would suggest people are listening to a party that, IMO, promotes protectionist policies.

By the way, in 2001, on holiday in Corfu, I was talking to the manager of the place I was staying at about joining the Euro. He thought it was a good idea, I suggested they would be better off retaining their own currency given that it was good value for the tourists which was their main industry. Sadly I appear to have been proved correct.
Having seen the party political broadcast this week gone by the Labour Party, which basically slagged off Nick Clegg (while forgetting he could still hold the whip hand who goes in power next election) and offering nothing in the way of policies to vote on: and seeing the mess that the Tories are making of things, it is no wonder that people are turning to UKIP even though they basically have one policy (and an extreme one at that). I suspect people are struggling to decide who to vote for next time given how little different the policies are between the two main parties. I mean - who do I vote for? I want Europe to remain a Trading Bloc only, and I have NO INTEREST in the UK joining the Euro (as there is too wide a difference between rich and poor countries in the Eurobloc so it doesn't work and there is plenty evidence of it's failures - Greece for starters anyone) and I have no wish to belong to a Federal Europe. The Germans listened to Hitler after the 1st World War - extreme example - and our country is not in a good way economically and I would suggest people are listening to a party that, IMO, promotes protectionist policies. By the way, in 2001, on holiday in Corfu, I was talking to the manager of the place I was staying at about joining the Euro. He thought it was a good idea, I suggested they would be better off retaining their own currency given that it was good value for the tourists which was their main industry. Sadly I appear to have been proved correct. ksmain
  • Score: 0

5:31pm Sun 11 May 14

Dan Brember says...

Genghis wrote:
peter.ledger3@btopen

world.com
wrote:
Its pretty much standard practice now to indulge in smear tactics by all the main parties, UKIP is just the latest target for them all, UKIP has dared to put its head over the parapet and say what many are thinking, the other parties are just doing their best to make then sound out and out racist........as to this guy feeling "local" after 5 years sorry son, i lived in a village in somerset back in the 70,s and you had to have at least 3 generations in the graveyard to be local, and as for portland you would have to have more than that ! 5 years pah you only just moved in !!
What should be the standard, is for people to be able to question the candidates on their policies and statements they make in election leaflets, the press or elsewhere. How else can you get clarification of their views or decide whether you can put your trust in them in order to vote for them? I ask questions of as many candidates that I can, regardless of what party they stand for. I ask more questions of people that stand as independent candidates. That's not a smear campaign, it's what everybody should do before deciding who to vote for.

In the above article that is exactly what Mr West did. He wanted clarification of a statement put forward by the candidate in his area. A policy that could possibly affect him and his family. Why shouldn't the electorate have such clarification, or should everybody just follow along blindly. swallowing the party line with obedience?

As for the question of what, or who, is considered local, the reply from. UKIP stated that Mr West and his family should have no concerns on that matter. Are the UKIP members and supporters on this thread saying otherwise?

When the UKIP candidates come canvassing around my area, I have a whole list of questions to ask them. That's not a smear campaign, I just want clarification on various points in their election leaflets. Admittedly, I don't have a similar list for the other candidates. That's where there is one big difference between UKIP and all the other parties, or independent candidates, that are standing for election. Since the beginning of the month, I have received two separate election leaflets from UKIP. I haven't had a single leaflet from all the rest of the candidates put together in order for me to compile a list of questions. Seems that they, unlike UKIP, aren't bothered about this election, and I find that very sad.
Hi Genghis,

Supposing you'd be interested in hearing about our candidate and our plans for the Borough, let me or one of my colleagues know where you are and I'll make sure you receive a copy of your Labour candidate's election address and our manifesto.

We try to ensure every property receives at least the candidate's election address from us but it takes time to get around to every single household. It's a little easier when, like UKIP, you only have enough candidates to campaign in half the Borough.

In the meantime, if you'd like to know more about Labour's plans for Weymouth and Portland, and to provide us feedback and help shape them in future, please visit www.visionforweyport
.co.uk.
[quote][p][bold]Genghis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peter.ledger3@btopen world.com[/bold] wrote: Its pretty much standard practice now to indulge in smear tactics by all the main parties, UKIP is just the latest target for them all, UKIP has dared to put its head over the parapet and say what many are thinking, the other parties are just doing their best to make then sound out and out racist........as to this guy feeling "local" after 5 years sorry son, i lived in a village in somerset back in the 70,s and you had to have at least 3 generations in the graveyard to be local, and as for portland you would have to have more than that ! 5 years pah you only just moved in !![/p][/quote]What should be the standard, is for people to be able to question the candidates on their policies and statements they make in election leaflets, the press or elsewhere. How else can you get clarification of their views or decide whether you can put your trust in them in order to vote for them? I ask questions of as many candidates that I can, regardless of what party they stand for. I ask more questions of people that stand as independent candidates. That's not a smear campaign, it's what everybody should do before deciding who to vote for. In the above article that is exactly what Mr West did. He wanted clarification of a statement put forward by the candidate in his area. A policy that could possibly affect him and his family. Why shouldn't the electorate have such clarification, or should everybody just follow along blindly. swallowing the party line with obedience? As for the question of what, or who, is considered local, the reply from. UKIP stated that Mr West and his family should have no concerns on that matter. Are the UKIP members and supporters on this thread saying otherwise? When the UKIP candidates come canvassing around my area, I have a whole list of questions to ask them. That's not a smear campaign, I just want clarification on various points in their election leaflets. Admittedly, I don't have a similar list for the other candidates. That's where there is one big difference between UKIP and all the other parties, or independent candidates, that are standing for election. Since the beginning of the month, I have received two separate election leaflets from UKIP. I haven't had a single leaflet from all the rest of the candidates put together in order for me to compile a list of questions. Seems that they, unlike UKIP, aren't bothered about this election, and I find that very sad.[/p][/quote]Hi Genghis, Supposing you'd be interested in hearing about our candidate and our plans for the Borough, let me or one of my colleagues know where you are and I'll make sure you receive a copy of your Labour candidate's election address and our manifesto. We try to ensure every property receives at least the candidate's election address from us but it takes time to get around to every single household. It's a little easier when, like UKIP, you only have enough candidates to campaign in half the Borough. In the meantime, if you'd like to know more about Labour's plans for Weymouth and Portland, and to provide us feedback and help shape them in future, please visit www.visionforweyport .co.uk. Dan Brember
  • Score: -3

5:40pm Sun 11 May 14

ksmain says...

Rocksalt wrote:
peter.ledger3@btopen

world.com
wrote:
Its pretty much standard practice now to indulge in smear tactics by all the main parties, UKIP is just the latest target for them all, UKIP has dared to put its head over the parapet and say what many are thinking, the other parties are just doing their best to make then sound out and out racist........as to this guy feeling "local" after 5 years sorry son, i lived in a village in somerset back in the 70,s and you had to have at least 3 generations in the graveyard to be local, and as for portland you would have to have more than that ! 5 years pah you only just moved in !!
Nope - Still no idea what UKIPs policies are for the local elections. Any other UKIP supporter care to have a go. This is starting to get silly
I have tried to think how the national policies might apply locally, but that doesn't really help. The number of migrants living locally is tiny, so that's not really an issue. I think UKIP favour nuclear power, so perhaps they would lobby for a power station to be built on the coast. Who knows ?. Cone on boys and girls - what will you do that has any local relevance ?
To me UKIP have one policy which is a protectionist one which is gaining popularity due to (a) the lack of policy direction of the main political parties (b) the poor state of the economy meaning that people's livelihoods are under threat. If we don't want migrants to take jobs in this country then perhaps we fill the vacancies we have and not leave them vacant, and we stop making the extra demands on employers that make then want to employ migrants who probably make less demands and just get on with it. Perhaps people should think more what their strike action implications are in future, for example, maybe they are just handing their jobs over.
[quote][p][bold]Rocksalt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peter.ledger3@btopen world.com[/bold] wrote: Its pretty much standard practice now to indulge in smear tactics by all the main parties, UKIP is just the latest target for them all, UKIP has dared to put its head over the parapet and say what many are thinking, the other parties are just doing their best to make then sound out and out racist........as to this guy feeling "local" after 5 years sorry son, i lived in a village in somerset back in the 70,s and you had to have at least 3 generations in the graveyard to be local, and as for portland you would have to have more than that ! 5 years pah you only just moved in !![/p][/quote]Nope - Still no idea what UKIPs policies are for the local elections. Any other UKIP supporter care to have a go. This is starting to get silly I have tried to think how the national policies might apply locally, but that doesn't really help. The number of migrants living locally is tiny, so that's not really an issue. I think UKIP favour nuclear power, so perhaps they would lobby for a power station to be built on the coast. Who knows ?. Cone on boys and girls - what will you do that has any local relevance ?[/p][/quote]To me UKIP have one policy which is a protectionist one which is gaining popularity due to (a) the lack of policy direction of the main political parties (b) the poor state of the economy meaning that people's livelihoods are under threat. If we don't want migrants to take jobs in this country then perhaps we fill the vacancies we have and not leave them vacant, and we stop making the extra demands on employers that make then want to employ migrants who probably make less demands and just get on with it. Perhaps people should think more what their strike action implications are in future, for example, maybe they are just handing their jobs over. ksmain
  • Score: -4

7:53pm Sun 11 May 14

cj07589 says...

Dan Brember wrote:
Genghis wrote:
peter.ledger3@btopen world.com wrote: Its pretty much standard practice now to indulge in smear tactics by all the main parties, UKIP is just the latest target for them all, UKIP has dared to put its head over the parapet and say what many are thinking, the other parties are just doing their best to make then sound out and out racist........as to this guy feeling "local" after 5 years sorry son, i lived in a village in somerset back in the 70,s and you had to have at least 3 generations in the graveyard to be local, and as for portland you would have to have more than that ! 5 years pah you only just moved in !!
What should be the standard, is for people to be able to question the candidates on their policies and statements they make in election leaflets, the press or elsewhere. How else can you get clarification of their views or decide whether you can put your trust in them in order to vote for them? I ask questions of as many candidates that I can, regardless of what party they stand for. I ask more questions of people that stand as independent candidates. That's not a smear campaign, it's what everybody should do before deciding who to vote for. In the above article that is exactly what Mr West did. He wanted clarification of a statement put forward by the candidate in his area. A policy that could possibly affect him and his family. Why shouldn't the electorate have such clarification, or should everybody just follow along blindly. swallowing the party line with obedience? As for the question of what, or who, is considered local, the reply from. UKIP stated that Mr West and his family should have no concerns on that matter. Are the UKIP members and supporters on this thread saying otherwise? When the UKIP candidates come canvassing around my area, I have a whole list of questions to ask them. That's not a smear campaign, I just want clarification on various points in their election leaflets. Admittedly, I don't have a similar list for the other candidates. That's where there is one big difference between UKIP and all the other parties, or independent candidates, that are standing for election. Since the beginning of the month, I have received two separate election leaflets from UKIP. I haven't had a single leaflet from all the rest of the candidates put together in order for me to compile a list of questions. Seems that they, unlike UKIP, aren't bothered about this election, and I find that very sad.
Hi Genghis, Supposing you'd be interested in hearing about our candidate and our plans for the Borough, let me or one of my colleagues know where you are and I'll make sure you receive a copy of your Labour candidate's election address and our manifesto. We try to ensure every property receives at least the candidate's election address from us but it takes time to get around to every single household. It's a little easier when, like UKIP, you only have enough candidates to campaign in half the Borough. In the meantime, if you'd like to know more about Labour's plans for Weymouth and Portland, and to provide us feedback and help shape them in future, please visit www.visionforweyport .co.uk.
Laughable....... liebour's policy is spend like there is no tomorrow bankrupt the country leave notes behind in the treasury flouting about there being no money left because incompetent champagne socialists burnt it all of stupid policies and sold our soviegnity to a bunch of lying meddling elite in Brussell.

In short a bunch of illegal war mongerying traitors who hate the English and the working class and everything they stand for.
Thank you for listening to another jam tomorrow zero policy junket from your union loving socialist ignoramuses.

I think that covered most of it did I miss anything out?
[quote][p][bold]Dan Brember[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Genghis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peter.ledger3@btopen world.com[/bold] wrote: Its pretty much standard practice now to indulge in smear tactics by all the main parties, UKIP is just the latest target for them all, UKIP has dared to put its head over the parapet and say what many are thinking, the other parties are just doing their best to make then sound out and out racist........as to this guy feeling "local" after 5 years sorry son, i lived in a village in somerset back in the 70,s and you had to have at least 3 generations in the graveyard to be local, and as for portland you would have to have more than that ! 5 years pah you only just moved in !![/p][/quote]What should be the standard, is for people to be able to question the candidates on their policies and statements they make in election leaflets, the press or elsewhere. How else can you get clarification of their views or decide whether you can put your trust in them in order to vote for them? I ask questions of as many candidates that I can, regardless of what party they stand for. I ask more questions of people that stand as independent candidates. That's not a smear campaign, it's what everybody should do before deciding who to vote for. In the above article that is exactly what Mr West did. He wanted clarification of a statement put forward by the candidate in his area. A policy that could possibly affect him and his family. Why shouldn't the electorate have such clarification, or should everybody just follow along blindly. swallowing the party line with obedience? As for the question of what, or who, is considered local, the reply from. UKIP stated that Mr West and his family should have no concerns on that matter. Are the UKIP members and supporters on this thread saying otherwise? When the UKIP candidates come canvassing around my area, I have a whole list of questions to ask them. That's not a smear campaign, I just want clarification on various points in their election leaflets. Admittedly, I don't have a similar list for the other candidates. That's where there is one big difference between UKIP and all the other parties, or independent candidates, that are standing for election. Since the beginning of the month, I have received two separate election leaflets from UKIP. I haven't had a single leaflet from all the rest of the candidates put together in order for me to compile a list of questions. Seems that they, unlike UKIP, aren't bothered about this election, and I find that very sad.[/p][/quote]Hi Genghis, Supposing you'd be interested in hearing about our candidate and our plans for the Borough, let me or one of my colleagues know where you are and I'll make sure you receive a copy of your Labour candidate's election address and our manifesto. We try to ensure every property receives at least the candidate's election address from us but it takes time to get around to every single household. It's a little easier when, like UKIP, you only have enough candidates to campaign in half the Borough. In the meantime, if you'd like to know more about Labour's plans for Weymouth and Portland, and to provide us feedback and help shape them in future, please visit www.visionforweyport .co.uk.[/p][/quote]Laughable....... liebour's policy is spend like there is no tomorrow bankrupt the country leave notes behind in the treasury flouting about there being no money left because incompetent champagne socialists burnt it all of stupid policies and sold our soviegnity to a bunch of lying meddling elite in Brussell. In short a bunch of illegal war mongerying traitors who hate the English and the working class and everything they stand for. Thank you for listening to another jam tomorrow zero policy junket from your union loving socialist ignoramuses. I think that covered most of it did I miss anything out? cj07589
  • Score: -2

8:52pm Sun 11 May 14

Genghis says...

cj07589 wrote:
Dan Brember wrote:
Genghis wrote:
peter.ledger3@btopen world.com wrote: Its pretty much standard practice now to indulge in smear tactics by all the main parties, UKIP is just the latest target for them all, UKIP has dared to put its head over the parapet and say what many are thinking, the other parties are just doing their best to make then sound out and out racist........as to this guy feeling "local" after 5 years sorry son, i lived in a village in somerset back in the 70,s and you had to have at least 3 generations in the graveyard to be local, and as for portland you would have to have more than that ! 5 years pah you only just moved in !!
What should be the standard, is for people to be able to question the candidates on their policies and statements they make in election leaflets, the press or elsewhere. How else can you get clarification of their views or decide whether you can put your trust in them in order to vote for them? I ask questions of as many candidates that I can, regardless of what party they stand for. I ask more questions of people that stand as independent candidates. That's not a smear campaign, it's what everybody should do before deciding who to vote for. In the above article that is exactly what Mr West did. He wanted clarification of a statement put forward by the candidate in his area. A policy that could possibly affect him and his family. Why shouldn't the electorate have such clarification, or should everybody just follow along blindly. swallowing the party line with obedience? As for the question of what, or who, is considered local, the reply from. UKIP stated that Mr West and his family should have no concerns on that matter. Are the UKIP members and supporters on this thread saying otherwise? When the UKIP candidates come canvassing around my area, I have a whole list of questions to ask them. That's not a smear campaign, I just want clarification on various points in their election leaflets. Admittedly, I don't have a similar list for the other candidates. That's where there is one big difference between UKIP and all the other parties, or independent candidates, that are standing for election. Since the beginning of the month, I have received two separate election leaflets from UKIP. I haven't had a single leaflet from all the rest of the candidates put together in order for me to compile a list of questions. Seems that they, unlike UKIP, aren't bothered about this election, and I find that very sad.
Hi Genghis, Supposing you'd be interested in hearing about our candidate and our plans for the Borough, let me or one of my colleagues know where you are and I'll make sure you receive a copy of your Labour candidate's election address and our manifesto. We try to ensure every property receives at least the candidate's election address from us but it takes time to get around to every single household. It's a little easier when, like UKIP, you only have enough candidates to campaign in half the Borough. In the meantime, if you'd like to know more about Labour's plans for Weymouth and Portland, and to provide us feedback and help shape them in future, please visit www.visionforweyport .co.uk.
Laughable....... liebour's policy is spend like there is no tomorrow bankrupt the country leave notes behind in the treasury flouting about there being no money left because incompetent champagne socialists burnt it all of stupid policies and sold our soviegnity to a bunch of lying meddling elite in Brussell.

In short a bunch of illegal war mongerying traitors who hate the English and the working class and everything they stand for.
Thank you for listening to another jam tomorrow zero policy junket from your union loving socialist ignoramuses.

I think that covered most of it did I miss anything out?
There we have it summed up. The level that the debate descends to when political parties and their supporters let fly. One reason that I prefer to vote for independent candidates whenever possible.. Leave anything to the four main political parties and it's like one big bout of petty name calling and squabbling.
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dan Brember[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Genghis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peter.ledger3@btopen world.com[/bold] wrote: Its pretty much standard practice now to indulge in smear tactics by all the main parties, UKIP is just the latest target for them all, UKIP has dared to put its head over the parapet and say what many are thinking, the other parties are just doing their best to make then sound out and out racist........as to this guy feeling "local" after 5 years sorry son, i lived in a village in somerset back in the 70,s and you had to have at least 3 generations in the graveyard to be local, and as for portland you would have to have more than that ! 5 years pah you only just moved in !![/p][/quote]What should be the standard, is for people to be able to question the candidates on their policies and statements they make in election leaflets, the press or elsewhere. How else can you get clarification of their views or decide whether you can put your trust in them in order to vote for them? I ask questions of as many candidates that I can, regardless of what party they stand for. I ask more questions of people that stand as independent candidates. That's not a smear campaign, it's what everybody should do before deciding who to vote for. In the above article that is exactly what Mr West did. He wanted clarification of a statement put forward by the candidate in his area. A policy that could possibly affect him and his family. Why shouldn't the electorate have such clarification, or should everybody just follow along blindly. swallowing the party line with obedience? As for the question of what, or who, is considered local, the reply from. UKIP stated that Mr West and his family should have no concerns on that matter. Are the UKIP members and supporters on this thread saying otherwise? When the UKIP candidates come canvassing around my area, I have a whole list of questions to ask them. That's not a smear campaign, I just want clarification on various points in their election leaflets. Admittedly, I don't have a similar list for the other candidates. That's where there is one big difference between UKIP and all the other parties, or independent candidates, that are standing for election. Since the beginning of the month, I have received two separate election leaflets from UKIP. I haven't had a single leaflet from all the rest of the candidates put together in order for me to compile a list of questions. Seems that they, unlike UKIP, aren't bothered about this election, and I find that very sad.[/p][/quote]Hi Genghis, Supposing you'd be interested in hearing about our candidate and our plans for the Borough, let me or one of my colleagues know where you are and I'll make sure you receive a copy of your Labour candidate's election address and our manifesto. We try to ensure every property receives at least the candidate's election address from us but it takes time to get around to every single household. It's a little easier when, like UKIP, you only have enough candidates to campaign in half the Borough. In the meantime, if you'd like to know more about Labour's plans for Weymouth and Portland, and to provide us feedback and help shape them in future, please visit www.visionforweyport .co.uk.[/p][/quote]Laughable....... liebour's policy is spend like there is no tomorrow bankrupt the country leave notes behind in the treasury flouting about there being no money left because incompetent champagne socialists burnt it all of stupid policies and sold our soviegnity to a bunch of lying meddling elite in Brussell. In short a bunch of illegal war mongerying traitors who hate the English and the working class and everything they stand for. Thank you for listening to another jam tomorrow zero policy junket from your union loving socialist ignoramuses. I think that covered most of it did I miss anything out?[/p][/quote]There we have it summed up. The level that the debate descends to when political parties and their supporters let fly. One reason that I prefer to vote for independent candidates whenever possible.. Leave anything to the four main political parties and it's like one big bout of petty name calling and squabbling. Genghis
  • Score: 0

9:10pm Sun 11 May 14

Parkstreetshufle says...

cj07589 wrote:
Dan Brember wrote:
Genghis wrote:
peter.ledger3@btopen world.com wrote: Its pretty much standard practice now to indulge in smear tactics by all the main parties, UKIP is just the latest target for them all, UKIP has dared to put its head over the parapet and say what many are thinking, the other parties are just doing their best to make then sound out and out racist........as to this guy feeling "local" after 5 years sorry son, i lived in a village in somerset back in the 70,s and you had to have at least 3 generations in the graveyard to be local, and as for portland you would have to have more than that ! 5 years pah you only just moved in !!
What should be the standard, is for people to be able to question the candidates on their policies and statements they make in election leaflets, the press or elsewhere. How else can you get clarification of their views or decide whether you can put your trust in them in order to vote for them? I ask questions of as many candidates that I can, regardless of what party they stand for. I ask more questions of people that stand as independent candidates. That's not a smear campaign, it's what everybody should do before deciding who to vote for. In the above article that is exactly what Mr West did. He wanted clarification of a statement put forward by the candidate in his area. A policy that could possibly affect him and his family. Why shouldn't the electorate have such clarification, or should everybody just follow along blindly. swallowing the party line with obedience? As for the question of what, or who, is considered local, the reply from. UKIP stated that Mr West and his family should have no concerns on that matter. Are the UKIP members and supporters on this thread saying otherwise? When the UKIP candidates come canvassing around my area, I have a whole list of questions to ask them. That's not a smear campaign, I just want clarification on various points in their election leaflets. Admittedly, I don't have a similar list for the other candidates. That's where there is one big difference between UKIP and all the other parties, or independent candidates, that are standing for election. Since the beginning of the month, I have received two separate election leaflets from UKIP. I haven't had a single leaflet from all the rest of the candidates put together in order for me to compile a list of questions. Seems that they, unlike UKIP, aren't bothered about this election, and I find that very sad.
Hi Genghis, Supposing you'd be interested in hearing about our candidate and our plans for the Borough, let me or one of my colleagues know where you are and I'll make sure you receive a copy of your Labour candidate's election address and our manifesto. We try to ensure every property receives at least the candidate's election address from us but it takes time to get around to every single household. It's a little easier when, like UKIP, you only have enough candidates to campaign in half the Borough. In the meantime, if you'd like to know more about Labour's plans for Weymouth and Portland, and to provide us feedback and help shape them in future, please visit www.visionforweyport .co.uk.
Laughable....... liebour's policy is spend like there is no tomorrow bankrupt the country leave notes behind in the treasury flouting about there being no money left because incompetent champagne socialists burnt it all of stupid policies and sold our soviegnity to a bunch of lying meddling elite in Brussell.

In short a bunch of illegal war mongerying traitors who hate the English and the working class and everything they stand for.
Thank you for listening to another jam tomorrow zero policy junket from your union loving socialist ignoramuses.

I think that covered most of it did I miss anything out?
I really dont think that anything on offer is right, but having policies other than hating foreigners or someone because they are black, gay or in some way different at least
marks you as a serious political party. Ukip are a bunch if clowns with nothing to offer other than stirring up hatred and discontent.
This country has never been for fascism and it's not about to start.
The letter in question has rightly gone viral, and it underlines the stupidity of basing a policy on peoples fear and misconception. Pretending a place is sacrosanct and you have to have lived there for years to gain services is absolutely ridiculous. Only one rule makes you a local and that's if your earning money. If your not it's time to look elsewhere to be a local. Being 'local' is what allows three generations of unemployed to exit in certain parts of the country. If we let clowns like ukip gain a foot hold we will have hundreds of tin pot small town mentality administrators dictating their own personal world view on those unfortunate enough to be in their area.
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dan Brember[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Genghis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peter.ledger3@btopen world.com[/bold] wrote: Its pretty much standard practice now to indulge in smear tactics by all the main parties, UKIP is just the latest target for them all, UKIP has dared to put its head over the parapet and say what many are thinking, the other parties are just doing their best to make then sound out and out racist........as to this guy feeling "local" after 5 years sorry son, i lived in a village in somerset back in the 70,s and you had to have at least 3 generations in the graveyard to be local, and as for portland you would have to have more than that ! 5 years pah you only just moved in !![/p][/quote]What should be the standard, is for people to be able to question the candidates on their policies and statements they make in election leaflets, the press or elsewhere. How else can you get clarification of their views or decide whether you can put your trust in them in order to vote for them? I ask questions of as many candidates that I can, regardless of what party they stand for. I ask more questions of people that stand as independent candidates. That's not a smear campaign, it's what everybody should do before deciding who to vote for. In the above article that is exactly what Mr West did. He wanted clarification of a statement put forward by the candidate in his area. A policy that could possibly affect him and his family. Why shouldn't the electorate have such clarification, or should everybody just follow along blindly. swallowing the party line with obedience? As for the question of what, or who, is considered local, the reply from. UKIP stated that Mr West and his family should have no concerns on that matter. Are the UKIP members and supporters on this thread saying otherwise? When the UKIP candidates come canvassing around my area, I have a whole list of questions to ask them. That's not a smear campaign, I just want clarification on various points in their election leaflets. Admittedly, I don't have a similar list for the other candidates. That's where there is one big difference between UKIP and all the other parties, or independent candidates, that are standing for election. Since the beginning of the month, I have received two separate election leaflets from UKIP. I haven't had a single leaflet from all the rest of the candidates put together in order for me to compile a list of questions. Seems that they, unlike UKIP, aren't bothered about this election, and I find that very sad.[/p][/quote]Hi Genghis, Supposing you'd be interested in hearing about our candidate and our plans for the Borough, let me or one of my colleagues know where you are and I'll make sure you receive a copy of your Labour candidate's election address and our manifesto. We try to ensure every property receives at least the candidate's election address from us but it takes time to get around to every single household. It's a little easier when, like UKIP, you only have enough candidates to campaign in half the Borough. In the meantime, if you'd like to know more about Labour's plans for Weymouth and Portland, and to provide us feedback and help shape them in future, please visit www.visionforweyport .co.uk.[/p][/quote]Laughable....... liebour's policy is spend like there is no tomorrow bankrupt the country leave notes behind in the treasury flouting about there being no money left because incompetent champagne socialists burnt it all of stupid policies and sold our soviegnity to a bunch of lying meddling elite in Brussell. In short a bunch of illegal war mongerying traitors who hate the English and the working class and everything they stand for. Thank you for listening to another jam tomorrow zero policy junket from your union loving socialist ignoramuses. I think that covered most of it did I miss anything out?[/p][/quote]I really dont think that anything on offer is right, but having policies other than hating foreigners or someone because they are black, gay or in some way different at least marks you as a serious political party. Ukip are a bunch if clowns with nothing to offer other than stirring up hatred and discontent. This country has never been for fascism and it's not about to start. The letter in question has rightly gone viral, and it underlines the stupidity of basing a policy on peoples fear and misconception. Pretending a place is sacrosanct and you have to have lived there for years to gain services is absolutely ridiculous. Only one rule makes you a local and that's if your earning money. If your not it's time to look elsewhere to be a local. Being 'local' is what allows three generations of unemployed to exit in certain parts of the country. If we let clowns like ukip gain a foot hold we will have hundreds of tin pot small town mentality administrators dictating their own personal world view on those unfortunate enough to be in their area. Parkstreetshufle
  • Score: 1

9:31pm Sun 11 May 14

woodsedge says...

Parkstreetshufle wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
Dan Brember wrote:
Genghis wrote:
peter.ledger3@btopen world.com wrote: Its pretty much standard practice now to indulge in smear tactics by all the main parties, UKIP is just the latest target for them all, UKIP has dared to put its head over the parapet and say what many are thinking, the other parties are just doing their best to make then sound out and out racist........as to this guy feeling "local" after 5 years sorry son, i lived in a village in somerset back in the 70,s and you had to have at least 3 generations in the graveyard to be local, and as for portland you would have to have more than that ! 5 years pah you only just moved in !!
What should be the standard, is for people to be able to question the candidates on their policies and statements they make in election leaflets, the press or elsewhere. How else can you get clarification of their views or decide whether you can put your trust in them in order to vote for them? I ask questions of as many candidates that I can, regardless of what party they stand for. I ask more questions of people that stand as independent candidates. That's not a smear campaign, it's what everybody should do before deciding who to vote for. In the above article that is exactly what Mr West did. He wanted clarification of a statement put forward by the candidate in his area. A policy that could possibly affect him and his family. Why shouldn't the electorate have such clarification, or should everybody just follow along blindly. swallowing the party line with obedience? As for the question of what, or who, is considered local, the reply from. UKIP stated that Mr West and his family should have no concerns on that matter. Are the UKIP members and supporters on this thread saying otherwise? When the UKIP candidates come canvassing around my area, I have a whole list of questions to ask them. That's not a smear campaign, I just want clarification on various points in their election leaflets. Admittedly, I don't have a similar list for the other candidates. That's where there is one big difference between UKIP and all the other parties, or independent candidates, that are standing for election. Since the beginning of the month, I have received two separate election leaflets from UKIP. I haven't had a single leaflet from all the rest of the candidates put together in order for me to compile a list of questions. Seems that they, unlike UKIP, aren't bothered about this election, and I find that very sad.
Hi Genghis, Supposing you'd be interested in hearing about our candidate and our plans for the Borough, let me or one of my colleagues know where you are and I'll make sure you receive a copy of your Labour candidate's election address and our manifesto. We try to ensure every property receives at least the candidate's election address from us but it takes time to get around to every single household. It's a little easier when, like UKIP, you only have enough candidates to campaign in half the Borough. In the meantime, if you'd like to know more about Labour's plans for Weymouth and Portland, and to provide us feedback and help shape them in future, please visit www.visionforweyport .co.uk.
Laughable....... liebour's policy is spend like there is no tomorrow bankrupt the country leave notes behind in the treasury flouting about there being no money left because incompetent champagne socialists burnt it all of stupid policies and sold our soviegnity to a bunch of lying meddling elite in Brussell.

In short a bunch of illegal war mongerying traitors who hate the English and the working class and everything they stand for.
Thank you for listening to another jam tomorrow zero policy junket from your union loving socialist ignoramuses.

I think that covered most of it did I miss anything out?
I really dont think that anything on offer is right, but having policies other than hating foreigners or someone because they are black, gay or in some way different at least
marks you as a serious political party. Ukip are a bunch if clowns with nothing to offer other than stirring up hatred and discontent.
This country has never been for fascism and it's not about to start.
The letter in question has rightly gone viral, and it underlines the stupidity of basing a policy on peoples fear and misconception. Pretending a place is sacrosanct and you have to have lived there for years to gain services is absolutely ridiculous. Only one rule makes you a local and that's if your earning money. If your not it's time to look elsewhere to be a local. Being 'local' is what allows three generations of unemployed to exit in certain parts of the country. If we let clowns like ukip gain a foot hold we will have hundreds of tin pot small town mentality administrators dictating their own personal world view on those unfortunate enough to be in their area.
Well said, every time you try to have a sensible debate on here it always degenerates into insults and rhetoric. So much anger being channeled into UKIP by UKIP and it says more about the party than anyone else could.
[quote][p][bold]Parkstreetshufle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dan Brember[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Genghis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peter.ledger3@btopen world.com[/bold] wrote: Its pretty much standard practice now to indulge in smear tactics by all the main parties, UKIP is just the latest target for them all, UKIP has dared to put its head over the parapet and say what many are thinking, the other parties are just doing their best to make then sound out and out racist........as to this guy feeling "local" after 5 years sorry son, i lived in a village in somerset back in the 70,s and you had to have at least 3 generations in the graveyard to be local, and as for portland you would have to have more than that ! 5 years pah you only just moved in !![/p][/quote]What should be the standard, is for people to be able to question the candidates on their policies and statements they make in election leaflets, the press or elsewhere. How else can you get clarification of their views or decide whether you can put your trust in them in order to vote for them? I ask questions of as many candidates that I can, regardless of what party they stand for. I ask more questions of people that stand as independent candidates. That's not a smear campaign, it's what everybody should do before deciding who to vote for. In the above article that is exactly what Mr West did. He wanted clarification of a statement put forward by the candidate in his area. A policy that could possibly affect him and his family. Why shouldn't the electorate have such clarification, or should everybody just follow along blindly. swallowing the party line with obedience? As for the question of what, or who, is considered local, the reply from. UKIP stated that Mr West and his family should have no concerns on that matter. Are the UKIP members and supporters on this thread saying otherwise? When the UKIP candidates come canvassing around my area, I have a whole list of questions to ask them. That's not a smear campaign, I just want clarification on various points in their election leaflets. Admittedly, I don't have a similar list for the other candidates. That's where there is one big difference between UKIP and all the other parties, or independent candidates, that are standing for election. Since the beginning of the month, I have received two separate election leaflets from UKIP. I haven't had a single leaflet from all the rest of the candidates put together in order for me to compile a list of questions. Seems that they, unlike UKIP, aren't bothered about this election, and I find that very sad.[/p][/quote]Hi Genghis, Supposing you'd be interested in hearing about our candidate and our plans for the Borough, let me or one of my colleagues know where you are and I'll make sure you receive a copy of your Labour candidate's election address and our manifesto. We try to ensure every property receives at least the candidate's election address from us but it takes time to get around to every single household. It's a little easier when, like UKIP, you only have enough candidates to campaign in half the Borough. In the meantime, if you'd like to know more about Labour's plans for Weymouth and Portland, and to provide us feedback and help shape them in future, please visit www.visionforweyport .co.uk.[/p][/quote]Laughable....... liebour's policy is spend like there is no tomorrow bankrupt the country leave notes behind in the treasury flouting about there being no money left because incompetent champagne socialists burnt it all of stupid policies and sold our soviegnity to a bunch of lying meddling elite in Brussell. In short a bunch of illegal war mongerying traitors who hate the English and the working class and everything they stand for. Thank you for listening to another jam tomorrow zero policy junket from your union loving socialist ignoramuses. I think that covered most of it did I miss anything out?[/p][/quote]I really dont think that anything on offer is right, but having policies other than hating foreigners or someone because they are black, gay or in some way different at least marks you as a serious political party. Ukip are a bunch if clowns with nothing to offer other than stirring up hatred and discontent. This country has never been for fascism and it's not about to start. The letter in question has rightly gone viral, and it underlines the stupidity of basing a policy on peoples fear and misconception. Pretending a place is sacrosanct and you have to have lived there for years to gain services is absolutely ridiculous. Only one rule makes you a local and that's if your earning money. If your not it's time to look elsewhere to be a local. Being 'local' is what allows three generations of unemployed to exit in certain parts of the country. If we let clowns like ukip gain a foot hold we will have hundreds of tin pot small town mentality administrators dictating their own personal world view on those unfortunate enough to be in their area.[/p][/quote]Well said, every time you try to have a sensible debate on here it always degenerates into insults and rhetoric. So much anger being channeled into UKIP by UKIP and it says more about the party than anyone else could. woodsedge
  • Score: 1

9:42pm Sun 11 May 14

cj07589 says...

Genghis wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
Dan Brember wrote:
Genghis wrote:
peter.ledger3@btopen world.com wrote: Its pretty much standard practice now to indulge in smear tactics by all the main parties, UKIP is just the latest target for them all, UKIP has dared to put its head over the parapet and say what many are thinking, the other parties are just doing their best to make then sound out and out racist........as to this guy feeling "local" after 5 years sorry son, i lived in a village in somerset back in the 70,s and you had to have at least 3 generations in the graveyard to be local, and as for portland you would have to have more than that ! 5 years pah you only just moved in !!
What should be the standard, is for people to be able to question the candidates on their policies and statements they make in election leaflets, the press or elsewhere. How else can you get clarification of their views or decide whether you can put your trust in them in order to vote for them? I ask questions of as many candidates that I can, regardless of what party they stand for. I ask more questions of people that stand as independent candidates. That's not a smear campaign, it's what everybody should do before deciding who to vote for. In the above article that is exactly what Mr West did. He wanted clarification of a statement put forward by the candidate in his area. A policy that could possibly affect him and his family. Why shouldn't the electorate have such clarification, or should everybody just follow along blindly. swallowing the party line with obedience? As for the question of what, or who, is considered local, the reply from. UKIP stated that Mr West and his family should have no concerns on that matter. Are the UKIP members and supporters on this thread saying otherwise? When the UKIP candidates come canvassing around my area, I have a whole list of questions to ask them. That's not a smear campaign, I just want clarification on various points in their election leaflets. Admittedly, I don't have a similar list for the other candidates. That's where there is one big difference between UKIP and all the other parties, or independent candidates, that are standing for election. Since the beginning of the month, I have received two separate election leaflets from UKIP. I haven't had a single leaflet from all the rest of the candidates put together in order for me to compile a list of questions. Seems that they, unlike UKIP, aren't bothered about this election, and I find that very sad.
Hi Genghis, Supposing you'd be interested in hearing about our candidate and our plans for the Borough, let me or one of my colleagues know where you are and I'll make sure you receive a copy of your Labour candidate's election address and our manifesto. We try to ensure every property receives at least the candidate's election address from us but it takes time to get around to every single household. It's a little easier when, like UKIP, you only have enough candidates to campaign in half the Borough. In the meantime, if you'd like to know more about Labour's plans for Weymouth and Portland, and to provide us feedback and help shape them in future, please visit www.visionforweyport .co.uk.
Laughable....... liebour's policy is spend like there is no tomorrow bankrupt the country leave notes behind in the treasury flouting about there being no money left because incompetent champagne socialists burnt it all of stupid policies and sold our soviegnity to a bunch of lying meddling elite in Brussell.

In short a bunch of illegal war mongerying traitors who hate the English and the working class and everything they stand for.
Thank you for listening to another jam tomorrow zero policy junket from your union loving socialist ignoramuses.

I think that covered most of it did I miss anything out?
There we have it summed up. The level that the debate descends to when political parties and their supporters let fly. One reason that I prefer to vote for independent candidates whenever possible.. Leave anything to the four main political parties and it's like one big bout of petty name calling and squabbling.
Id like to clarify there is squabbling its a fairly frank and accurate account of Labour's last tenure in Government or have you already forgotten what a terrible mess they left behind for others to clean up.
Our children will be still be paying for their mistakes well after you and I have departed this world so let's get some perspective the three main parties are cut from the same cloth. I wouldn't vote for any of them at the local or national level they do not represent me nor understand the issues that matter in the bigger picture especially regards the Europe superstate run by unelected dictators hailing from Brussels.
[quote][p][bold]Genghis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dan Brember[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Genghis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peter.ledger3@btopen world.com[/bold] wrote: Its pretty much standard practice now to indulge in smear tactics by all the main parties, UKIP is just the latest target for them all, UKIP has dared to put its head over the parapet and say what many are thinking, the other parties are just doing their best to make then sound out and out racist........as to this guy feeling "local" after 5 years sorry son, i lived in a village in somerset back in the 70,s and you had to have at least 3 generations in the graveyard to be local, and as for portland you would have to have more than that ! 5 years pah you only just moved in !![/p][/quote]What should be the standard, is for people to be able to question the candidates on their policies and statements they make in election leaflets, the press or elsewhere. How else can you get clarification of their views or decide whether you can put your trust in them in order to vote for them? I ask questions of as many candidates that I can, regardless of what party they stand for. I ask more questions of people that stand as independent candidates. That's not a smear campaign, it's what everybody should do before deciding who to vote for. In the above article that is exactly what Mr West did. He wanted clarification of a statement put forward by the candidate in his area. A policy that could possibly affect him and his family. Why shouldn't the electorate have such clarification, or should everybody just follow along blindly. swallowing the party line with obedience? As for the question of what, or who, is considered local, the reply from. UKIP stated that Mr West and his family should have no concerns on that matter. Are the UKIP members and supporters on this thread saying otherwise? When the UKIP candidates come canvassing around my area, I have a whole list of questions to ask them. That's not a smear campaign, I just want clarification on various points in their election leaflets. Admittedly, I don't have a similar list for the other candidates. That's where there is one big difference between UKIP and all the other parties, or independent candidates, that are standing for election. Since the beginning of the month, I have received two separate election leaflets from UKIP. I haven't had a single leaflet from all the rest of the candidates put together in order for me to compile a list of questions. Seems that they, unlike UKIP, aren't bothered about this election, and I find that very sad.[/p][/quote]Hi Genghis, Supposing you'd be interested in hearing about our candidate and our plans for the Borough, let me or one of my colleagues know where you are and I'll make sure you receive a copy of your Labour candidate's election address and our manifesto. We try to ensure every property receives at least the candidate's election address from us but it takes time to get around to every single household. It's a little easier when, like UKIP, you only have enough candidates to campaign in half the Borough. In the meantime, if you'd like to know more about Labour's plans for Weymouth and Portland, and to provide us feedback and help shape them in future, please visit www.visionforweyport .co.uk.[/p][/quote]Laughable....... liebour's policy is spend like there is no tomorrow bankrupt the country leave notes behind in the treasury flouting about there being no money left because incompetent champagne socialists burnt it all of stupid policies and sold our soviegnity to a bunch of lying meddling elite in Brussell. In short a bunch of illegal war mongerying traitors who hate the English and the working class and everything they stand for. Thank you for listening to another jam tomorrow zero policy junket from your union loving socialist ignoramuses. I think that covered most of it did I miss anything out?[/p][/quote]There we have it summed up. The level that the debate descends to when political parties and their supporters let fly. One reason that I prefer to vote for independent candidates whenever possible.. Leave anything to the four main political parties and it's like one big bout of petty name calling and squabbling.[/p][/quote]Id like to clarify there is squabbling its a fairly frank and accurate account of Labour's last tenure in Government or have you already forgotten what a terrible mess they left behind for others to clean up. Our children will be still be paying for their mistakes well after you and I have departed this world so let's get some perspective the three main parties are cut from the same cloth. I wouldn't vote for any of them at the local or national level they do not represent me nor understand the issues that matter in the bigger picture especially regards the Europe superstate run by unelected dictators hailing from Brussels. cj07589
  • Score: 0

10:01pm Sun 11 May 14

Genghis says...

cj07589 wrote:
Genghis wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
Dan Brember wrote:
Genghis wrote:
peter.ledger3@btopen world.com wrote: Its pretty much standard practice now to indulge in smear tactics by all the main parties, UKIP is just the latest target for them all, UKIP has dared to put its head over the parapet and say what many are thinking, the other parties are just doing their best to make then sound out and out racist........as to this guy feeling "local" after 5 years sorry son, i lived in a village in somerset back in the 70,s and you had to have at least 3 generations in the graveyard to be local, and as for portland you would have to have more than that ! 5 years pah you only just moved in !!
What should be the standard, is for people to be able to question the candidates on their policies and statements they make in election leaflets, the press or elsewhere. How else can you get clarification of their views or decide whether you can put your trust in them in order to vote for them? I ask questions of as many candidates that I can, regardless of what party they stand for. I ask more questions of people that stand as independent candidates. That's not a smear campaign, it's what everybody should do before deciding who to vote for. In the above article that is exactly what Mr West did. He wanted clarification of a statement put forward by the candidate in his area. A policy that could possibly affect him and his family. Why shouldn't the electorate have such clarification, or should everybody just follow along blindly. swallowing the party line with obedience? As for the question of what, or who, is considered local, the reply from. UKIP stated that Mr West and his family should have no concerns on that matter. Are the UKIP members and supporters on this thread saying otherwise? When the UKIP candidates come canvassing around my area, I have a whole list of questions to ask them. That's not a smear campaign, I just want clarification on various points in their election leaflets. Admittedly, I don't have a similar list for the other candidates. That's where there is one big difference between UKIP and all the other parties, or independent candidates, that are standing for election. Since the beginning of the month, I have received two separate election leaflets from UKIP. I haven't had a single leaflet from all the rest of the candidates put together in order for me to compile a list of questions. Seems that they, unlike UKIP, aren't bothered about this election, and I find that very sad.
Hi Genghis, Supposing you'd be interested in hearing about our candidate and our plans for the Borough, let me or one of my colleagues know where you are and I'll make sure you receive a copy of your Labour candidate's election address and our manifesto. We try to ensure every property receives at least the candidate's election address from us but it takes time to get around to every single household. It's a little easier when, like UKIP, you only have enough candidates to campaign in half the Borough. In the meantime, if you'd like to know more about Labour's plans for Weymouth and Portland, and to provide us feedback and help shape them in future, please visit www.visionforweyport .co.uk.
Laughable....... liebour's policy is spend like there is no tomorrow bankrupt the country leave notes behind in the treasury flouting about there being no money left because incompetent champagne socialists burnt it all of stupid policies and sold our soviegnity to a bunch of lying meddling elite in Brussell.

In short a bunch of illegal war mongerying traitors who hate the English and the working class and everything they stand for.
Thank you for listening to another jam tomorrow zero policy junket from your union loving socialist ignoramuses.

I think that covered most of it did I miss anything out?
There we have it summed up. The level that the debate descends to when political parties and their supporters let fly. One reason that I prefer to vote for independent candidates whenever possible.. Leave anything to the four main political parties and it's like one big bout of petty name calling and squabbling.
Id like to clarify there is squabbling its a fairly frank and accurate account of Labour's last tenure in Government or have you already forgotten what a terrible mess they left behind for others to clean up.
Our children will be still be paying for their mistakes well after you and I have departed this world so let's get some perspective the three main parties are cut from the same cloth. I wouldn't vote for any of them at the local or national level they do not represent me nor understand the issues that matter in the bigger picture especially regards the Europe superstate run by unelected dictators hailing from Brussels.
Governments of all hues have left a mess of the country at the end of their tenure. It's part and parcel of the party system where the one (or two, as we have now) in control put the interests of their party's dogma and their vested interests first rather than the interests of the country.
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Genghis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dan Brember[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Genghis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peter.ledger3@btopen world.com[/bold] wrote: Its pretty much standard practice now to indulge in smear tactics by all the main parties, UKIP is just the latest target for them all, UKIP has dared to put its head over the parapet and say what many are thinking, the other parties are just doing their best to make then sound out and out racist........as to this guy feeling "local" after 5 years sorry son, i lived in a village in somerset back in the 70,s and you had to have at least 3 generations in the graveyard to be local, and as for portland you would have to have more than that ! 5 years pah you only just moved in !![/p][/quote]What should be the standard, is for people to be able to question the candidates on their policies and statements they make in election leaflets, the press or elsewhere. How else can you get clarification of their views or decide whether you can put your trust in them in order to vote for them? I ask questions of as many candidates that I can, regardless of what party they stand for. I ask more questions of people that stand as independent candidates. That's not a smear campaign, it's what everybody should do before deciding who to vote for. In the above article that is exactly what Mr West did. He wanted clarification of a statement put forward by the candidate in his area. A policy that could possibly affect him and his family. Why shouldn't the electorate have such clarification, or should everybody just follow along blindly. swallowing the party line with obedience? As for the question of what, or who, is considered local, the reply from. UKIP stated that Mr West and his family should have no concerns on that matter. Are the UKIP members and supporters on this thread saying otherwise? When the UKIP candidates come canvassing around my area, I have a whole list of questions to ask them. That's not a smear campaign, I just want clarification on various points in their election leaflets. Admittedly, I don't have a similar list for the other candidates. That's where there is one big difference between UKIP and all the other parties, or independent candidates, that are standing for election. Since the beginning of the month, I have received two separate election leaflets from UKIP. I haven't had a single leaflet from all the rest of the candidates put together in order for me to compile a list of questions. Seems that they, unlike UKIP, aren't bothered about this election, and I find that very sad.[/p][/quote]Hi Genghis, Supposing you'd be interested in hearing about our candidate and our plans for the Borough, let me or one of my colleagues know where you are and I'll make sure you receive a copy of your Labour candidate's election address and our manifesto. We try to ensure every property receives at least the candidate's election address from us but it takes time to get around to every single household. It's a little easier when, like UKIP, you only have enough candidates to campaign in half the Borough. In the meantime, if you'd like to know more about Labour's plans for Weymouth and Portland, and to provide us feedback and help shape them in future, please visit www.visionforweyport .co.uk.[/p][/quote]Laughable....... liebour's policy is spend like there is no tomorrow bankrupt the country leave notes behind in the treasury flouting about there being no money left because incompetent champagne socialists burnt it all of stupid policies and sold our soviegnity to a bunch of lying meddling elite in Brussell. In short a bunch of illegal war mongerying traitors who hate the English and the working class and everything they stand for. Thank you for listening to another jam tomorrow zero policy junket from your union loving socialist ignoramuses. I think that covered most of it did I miss anything out?[/p][/quote]There we have it summed up. The level that the debate descends to when political parties and their supporters let fly. One reason that I prefer to vote for independent candidates whenever possible.. Leave anything to the four main political parties and it's like one big bout of petty name calling and squabbling.[/p][/quote]Id like to clarify there is squabbling its a fairly frank and accurate account of Labour's last tenure in Government or have you already forgotten what a terrible mess they left behind for others to clean up. Our children will be still be paying for their mistakes well after you and I have departed this world so let's get some perspective the three main parties are cut from the same cloth. I wouldn't vote for any of them at the local or national level they do not represent me nor understand the issues that matter in the bigger picture especially regards the Europe superstate run by unelected dictators hailing from Brussels.[/p][/quote]Governments of all hues have left a mess of the country at the end of their tenure. It's part and parcel of the party system where the one (or two, as we have now) in control put the interests of their party's dogma and their vested interests first rather than the interests of the country. Genghis
  • Score: 2

10:05pm Sun 11 May 14

woodsedge says...

cj07589 wrote:
Genghis wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
Dan Brember wrote:
Genghis wrote:
peter.ledger3@btopen world.com wrote: Its pretty much standard practice now to indulge in smear tactics by all the main parties, UKIP is just the latest target for them all, UKIP has dared to put its head over the parapet and say what many are thinking, the other parties are just doing their best to make then sound out and out racist........as to this guy feeling "local" after 5 years sorry son, i lived in a village in somerset back in the 70,s and you had to have at least 3 generations in the graveyard to be local, and as for portland you would have to have more than that ! 5 years pah you only just moved in !!
What should be the standard, is for people to be able to question the candidates on their policies and statements they make in election leaflets, the press or elsewhere. How else can you get clarification of their views or decide whether you can put your trust in them in order to vote for them? I ask questions of as many candidates that I can, regardless of what party they stand for. I ask more questions of people that stand as independent candidates. That's not a smear campaign, it's what everybody should do before deciding who to vote for. In the above article that is exactly what Mr West did. He wanted clarification of a statement put forward by the candidate in his area. A policy that could possibly affect him and his family. Why shouldn't the electorate have such clarification, or should everybody just follow along blindly. swallowing the party line with obedience? As for the question of what, or who, is considered local, the reply from. UKIP stated that Mr West and his family should have no concerns on that matter. Are the UKIP members and supporters on this thread saying otherwise? When the UKIP candidates come canvassing around my area, I have a whole list of questions to ask them. That's not a smear campaign, I just want clarification on various points in their election leaflets. Admittedly, I don't have a similar list for the other candidates. That's where there is one big difference between UKIP and all the other parties, or independent candidates, that are standing for election. Since the beginning of the month, I have received two separate election leaflets from UKIP. I haven't had a single leaflet from all the rest of the candidates put together in order for me to compile a list of questions. Seems that they, unlike UKIP, aren't bothered about this election, and I find that very sad.
Hi Genghis, Supposing you'd be interested in hearing about our candidate and our plans for the Borough, let me or one of my colleagues know where you are and I'll make sure you receive a copy of your Labour candidate's election address and our manifesto. We try to ensure every property receives at least the candidate's election address from us but it takes time to get around to every single household. It's a little easier when, like UKIP, you only have enough candidates to campaign in half the Borough. In the meantime, if you'd like to know more about Labour's plans for Weymouth and Portland, and to provide us feedback and help shape them in future, please visit www.visionforweyport .co.uk.
Laughable....... liebour's policy is spend like there is no tomorrow bankrupt the country leave notes behind in the treasury flouting about there being no money left because incompetent champagne socialists burnt it all of stupid policies and sold our soviegnity to a bunch of lying meddling elite in Brussell.

In short a bunch of illegal war mongerying traitors who hate the English and the working class and everything they stand for.
Thank you for listening to another jam tomorrow zero policy junket from your union loving socialist ignoramuses.

I think that covered most of it did I miss anything out?
There we have it summed up. The level that the debate descends to when political parties and their supporters let fly. One reason that I prefer to vote for independent candidates whenever possible.. Leave anything to the four main political parties and it's like one big bout of petty name calling and squabbling.
Id like to clarify there is squabbling its a fairly frank and accurate account of Labour's last tenure in Government or have you already forgotten what a terrible mess they left behind for others to clean up.
Our children will be still be paying for their mistakes well after you and I have departed this world so let's get some perspective the three main parties are cut from the same cloth. I wouldn't vote for any of them at the local or national level they do not represent me nor understand the issues that matter in the bigger picture especially regards the Europe superstate run by unelected dictators hailing from Brussels.
I agree but the difference between us is that I believe that UKIP are as unelectable as the rest. Just because I am disillusioned doesn't mean that I would trust UKIP with my vote, that would be the easy option and would be replacing one problem with a bigger one. Equally I would not vote for them just because of there stance on the EU, again that would be irresponsible. But I accept that you are entitled to your opinion and that is benefit of living in a democracy.
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Genghis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dan Brember[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Genghis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peter.ledger3@btopen world.com[/bold] wrote: Its pretty much standard practice now to indulge in smear tactics by all the main parties, UKIP is just the latest target for them all, UKIP has dared to put its head over the parapet and say what many are thinking, the other parties are just doing their best to make then sound out and out racist........as to this guy feeling "local" after 5 years sorry son, i lived in a village in somerset back in the 70,s and you had to have at least 3 generations in the graveyard to be local, and as for portland you would have to have more than that ! 5 years pah you only just moved in !![/p][/quote]What should be the standard, is for people to be able to question the candidates on their policies and statements they make in election leaflets, the press or elsewhere. How else can you get clarification of their views or decide whether you can put your trust in them in order to vote for them? I ask questions of as many candidates that I can, regardless of what party they stand for. I ask more questions of people that stand as independent candidates. That's not a smear campaign, it's what everybody should do before deciding who to vote for. In the above article that is exactly what Mr West did. He wanted clarification of a statement put forward by the candidate in his area. A policy that could possibly affect him and his family. Why shouldn't the electorate have such clarification, or should everybody just follow along blindly. swallowing the party line with obedience? As for the question of what, or who, is considered local, the reply from. UKIP stated that Mr West and his family should have no concerns on that matter. Are the UKIP members and supporters on this thread saying otherwise? When the UKIP candidates come canvassing around my area, I have a whole list of questions to ask them. That's not a smear campaign, I just want clarification on various points in their election leaflets. Admittedly, I don't have a similar list for the other candidates. That's where there is one big difference between UKIP and all the other parties, or independent candidates, that are standing for election. Since the beginning of the month, I have received two separate election leaflets from UKIP. I haven't had a single leaflet from all the rest of the candidates put together in order for me to compile a list of questions. Seems that they, unlike UKIP, aren't bothered about this election, and I find that very sad.[/p][/quote]Hi Genghis, Supposing you'd be interested in hearing about our candidate and our plans for the Borough, let me or one of my colleagues know where you are and I'll make sure you receive a copy of your Labour candidate's election address and our manifesto. We try to ensure every property receives at least the candidate's election address from us but it takes time to get around to every single household. It's a little easier when, like UKIP, you only have enough candidates to campaign in half the Borough. In the meantime, if you'd like to know more about Labour's plans for Weymouth and Portland, and to provide us feedback and help shape them in future, please visit www.visionforweyport .co.uk.[/p][/quote]Laughable....... liebour's policy is spend like there is no tomorrow bankrupt the country leave notes behind in the treasury flouting about there being no money left because incompetent champagne socialists burnt it all of stupid policies and sold our soviegnity to a bunch of lying meddling elite in Brussell. In short a bunch of illegal war mongerying traitors who hate the English and the working class and everything they stand for. Thank you for listening to another jam tomorrow zero policy junket from your union loving socialist ignoramuses. I think that covered most of it did I miss anything out?[/p][/quote]There we have it summed up. The level that the debate descends to when political parties and their supporters let fly. One reason that I prefer to vote for independent candidates whenever possible.. Leave anything to the four main political parties and it's like one big bout of petty name calling and squabbling.[/p][/quote]Id like to clarify there is squabbling its a fairly frank and accurate account of Labour's last tenure in Government or have you already forgotten what a terrible mess they left behind for others to clean up. Our children will be still be paying for their mistakes well after you and I have departed this world so let's get some perspective the three main parties are cut from the same cloth. I wouldn't vote for any of them at the local or national level they do not represent me nor understand the issues that matter in the bigger picture especially regards the Europe superstate run by unelected dictators hailing from Brussels.[/p][/quote]I agree but the difference between us is that I believe that UKIP are as unelectable as the rest. Just because I am disillusioned doesn't mean that I would trust UKIP with my vote, that would be the easy option and would be replacing one problem with a bigger one. Equally I would not vote for them just because of there stance on the EU, again that would be irresponsible. But I accept that you are entitled to your opinion and that is benefit of living in a democracy. woodsedge
  • Score: 2

10:44pm Sun 11 May 14

cosmick says...

Seems to me a few people are unclear how to vote for the benefit of the local people. This will be a vote for UKIP.
Yes there are a few people shouting there mouths off, the same ones who always do. Maybe about half a dozen on this matter.
I can tell you the response the UKIP are getting going around with leaflets is good.
What would UKIP COUNCILLORS do in local councils? I can tell you they would not of voted for a traveller site.
They will try to get the TIC that was shut by the present mob.
They will work to get the holiday trade a major input into WEYMOUTH so shops get better footfall.
They will support local schooling for our children. (Not all schools will be under subscribed)
They will support good housing projects.
They will not support building on areas likely to flood.
They will do what they can to support local companys.
They will oppose wind farms.
They will work to get parking sorted out in WEYMOUTH. More free parking to help people who just have to pop into town.
Work to maintain the bus servcies and try to restore the bus routes that were changed that made it harder for local people to travel.
Achieve consensus.
Preserve our communities.
LOCAL UKIP candidates are not in the game of looking after there mates they will be there to serve you the people who vote them in.
The election for MEP s is a separate area from the local election.
You all know the position that UKIP take on the E/U and i hope you will support the fastest growing political party in this country.
VOTE UKIP for a better future.
Business rates need to be looked at.
Seems to me a few people are unclear how to vote for the benefit of the local people. This will be a vote for UKIP. Yes there are a few people shouting there mouths off, the same ones who always do. Maybe about half a dozen on this matter. I can tell you the response the UKIP are getting going around with leaflets is good. What would UKIP COUNCILLORS do in local councils? I can tell you they would not of voted for a traveller site. They will try to get the TIC that was shut by the present mob. They will work to get the holiday trade a major input into WEYMOUTH so shops get better footfall. They will support local schooling for our children. (Not all schools will be under subscribed) They will support good housing projects. They will not support building on areas likely to flood. They will do what they can to support local companys. They will oppose wind farms. They will work to get parking sorted out in WEYMOUTH. More free parking to help people who just have to pop into town. Work to maintain the bus servcies and try to restore the bus routes that were changed that made it harder for local people to travel. Achieve consensus. Preserve our communities. LOCAL UKIP candidates are not in the game of looking after there mates they will be there to serve you the people who vote them in. The election for MEP s is a separate area from the local election. You all know the position that UKIP take on the E/U and i hope you will support the fastest growing political party in this country. VOTE UKIP for a better future. Business rates need to be looked at. cosmick
  • Score: 2

6:48am Mon 12 May 14

Genghis says...

cosmick wrote:
Seems to me a few people are unclear how to vote for the benefit of the local people. This will be a vote for UKIP.
Yes there are a few people shouting there mouths off, the same ones who always do. Maybe about half a dozen on this matter.
I can tell you the response the UKIP are getting going around with leaflets is good.
What would UKIP COUNCILLORS do in local councils? I can tell you they would not of voted for a traveller site.
They will try to get the TIC that was shut by the present mob.
They will work to get the holiday trade a major input into WEYMOUTH so shops get better footfall.
They will support local schooling for our children. (Not all schools will be under subscribed)
They will support good housing projects.
They will not support building on areas likely to flood.
They will do what they can to support local companys.
They will oppose wind farms.
They will work to get parking sorted out in WEYMOUTH. More free parking to help people who just have to pop into town.
Work to maintain the bus servcies and try to restore the bus routes that were changed that made it harder for local people to travel.
Achieve consensus.
Preserve our communities.
LOCAL UKIP candidates are not in the game of looking after there mates they will be there to serve you the people who vote them in.
The election for MEP s is a separate area from the local election.
You all know the position that UKIP take on the E/U and i hope you will support the fastest growing political party in this country.
VOTE UKIP for a better future.
Business rates need to be looked at.
I didn't realise it was all that simple. Just state something and it will be so. Why didn't the candidates in all the previous elections think of that?

So, if all the UKIP candidates are successfully elected on to W&PBC, tell us how you will reduce the business rates as they are set nationally? Tell us how you will reject a planning application that is put in correctly and meets with all the legal planning requirements? Tell us how much money will be spent when all these turned down applications go to appeal. Tell us how you will finance the TIC? What magic wand will you wave " to get the holiday trade a major input into WEYMOUTH so shops get better footfall?"

It's all well and good making all these promises, let's have the detail of how it will be achieved.
[quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: Seems to me a few people are unclear how to vote for the benefit of the local people. This will be a vote for UKIP. Yes there are a few people shouting there mouths off, the same ones who always do. Maybe about half a dozen on this matter. I can tell you the response the UKIP are getting going around with leaflets is good. What would UKIP COUNCILLORS do in local councils? I can tell you they would not of voted for a traveller site. They will try to get the TIC that was shut by the present mob. They will work to get the holiday trade a major input into WEYMOUTH so shops get better footfall. They will support local schooling for our children. (Not all schools will be under subscribed) They will support good housing projects. They will not support building on areas likely to flood. They will do what they can to support local companys. They will oppose wind farms. They will work to get parking sorted out in WEYMOUTH. More free parking to help people who just have to pop into town. Work to maintain the bus servcies and try to restore the bus routes that were changed that made it harder for local people to travel. Achieve consensus. Preserve our communities. LOCAL UKIP candidates are not in the game of looking after there mates they will be there to serve you the people who vote them in. The election for MEP s is a separate area from the local election. You all know the position that UKIP take on the E/U and i hope you will support the fastest growing political party in this country. VOTE UKIP for a better future. Business rates need to be looked at.[/p][/quote]I didn't realise it was all that simple. Just state something and it will be so. Why didn't the candidates in all the previous elections think of that? So, if all the UKIP candidates are successfully elected on to W&PBC, tell us how you will reduce the business rates as they are set nationally? Tell us how you will reject a planning application that is put in correctly and meets with all the legal planning requirements? Tell us how much money will be spent when all these turned down applications go to appeal. Tell us how you will finance the TIC? What magic wand will you wave " to get the holiday trade a major input into WEYMOUTH so shops get better footfall?" It's all well and good making all these promises, let's have the detail of how it will be achieved. Genghis
  • Score: 0

7:44am Mon 12 May 14

woodsedge says...

cosmick wrote:
Seems to me a few people are unclear how to vote for the benefit of the local people. This will be a vote for UKIP.
Yes there are a few people shouting there mouths off, the same ones who always do. Maybe about half a dozen on this matter.
I can tell you the response the UKIP are getting going around with leaflets is good.
What would UKIP COUNCILLORS do in local councils? I can tell you they would not of voted for a traveller site.
They will try to get the TIC that was shut by the present mob.
They will work to get the holiday trade a major input into WEYMOUTH so shops get better footfall.
They will support local schooling for our children. (Not all schools will be under subscribed)
They will support good housing projects.
They will not support building on areas likely to flood.
They will do what they can to support local companys.
They will oppose wind farms.
They will work to get parking sorted out in WEYMOUTH. More free parking to help people who just have to pop into town.
Work to maintain the bus servcies and try to restore the bus routes that were changed that made it harder for local people to travel.
Achieve consensus.
Preserve our communities.
LOCAL UKIP candidates are not in the game of looking after there mates they will be there to serve you the people who vote them in.
The election for MEP s is a separate area from the local election.
You all know the position that UKIP take on the E/U and i hope you will support the fastest growing political party in this country.
VOTE UKIP for a better future.
Business rates need to be looked at.
It's the same half a dozen UKIP supporters on here regurgitating the same old hyperbole! You know what they same about empty vessels. I note that you use the same open language and open promises as the other parties "they will support, they will try", not exactly a well thought out manifesto substantiated and supported by facts, and I love the last throw away line about business rates needing to be "looked at"! And remember Cosmick it was you on another thread that thought that Hitlers 1941 speech, you know the one that conned a nation, was "good"! I will not vote for any of the above and if UKIP knock my door they will get the same response as Labour, the Tories and lib Dem.
[quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: Seems to me a few people are unclear how to vote for the benefit of the local people. This will be a vote for UKIP. Yes there are a few people shouting there mouths off, the same ones who always do. Maybe about half a dozen on this matter. I can tell you the response the UKIP are getting going around with leaflets is good. What would UKIP COUNCILLORS do in local councils? I can tell you they would not of voted for a traveller site. They will try to get the TIC that was shut by the present mob. They will work to get the holiday trade a major input into WEYMOUTH so shops get better footfall. They will support local schooling for our children. (Not all schools will be under subscribed) They will support good housing projects. They will not support building on areas likely to flood. They will do what they can to support local companys. They will oppose wind farms. They will work to get parking sorted out in WEYMOUTH. More free parking to help people who just have to pop into town. Work to maintain the bus servcies and try to restore the bus routes that were changed that made it harder for local people to travel. Achieve consensus. Preserve our communities. LOCAL UKIP candidates are not in the game of looking after there mates they will be there to serve you the people who vote them in. The election for MEP s is a separate area from the local election. You all know the position that UKIP take on the E/U and i hope you will support the fastest growing political party in this country. VOTE UKIP for a better future. Business rates need to be looked at.[/p][/quote]It's the same half a dozen UKIP supporters on here regurgitating the same old hyperbole! You know what they same about empty vessels. I note that you use the same open language and open promises as the other parties "they will support, they will try", not exactly a well thought out manifesto substantiated and supported by facts, and I love the last throw away line about business rates needing to be "looked at"! And remember Cosmick it was you on another thread that thought that Hitlers 1941 speech, you know the one that conned a nation, was "good"! I will not vote for any of the above and if UKIP knock my door they will get the same response as Labour, the Tories and lib Dem. woodsedge
  • Score: 0

8:00am Mon 12 May 14

livid99 says...

woodsedge wrote:
cosmick wrote:
Seems to me a few people are unclear how to vote for the benefit of the local people. This will be a vote for UKIP.
Yes there are a few people shouting there mouths off, the same ones who always do. Maybe about half a dozen on this matter.
I can tell you the response the UKIP are getting going around with leaflets is good.
What would UKIP COUNCILLORS do in local councils? I can tell you they would not of voted for a traveller site.
They will try to get the TIC that was shut by the present mob.
They will work to get the holiday trade a major input into WEYMOUTH so shops get better footfall.
They will support local schooling for our children. (Not all schools will be under subscribed)
They will support good housing projects.
They will not support building on areas likely to flood.
They will do what they can to support local companys.
They will oppose wind farms.
They will work to get parking sorted out in WEYMOUTH. More free parking to help people who just have to pop into town.
Work to maintain the bus servcies and try to restore the bus routes that were changed that made it harder for local people to travel.
Achieve consensus.
Preserve our communities.
LOCAL UKIP candidates are not in the game of looking after there mates they will be there to serve you the people who vote them in.
The election for MEP s is a separate area from the local election.
You all know the position that UKIP take on the E/U and i hope you will support the fastest growing political party in this country.
VOTE UKIP for a better future.
Business rates need to be looked at.
It's the same half a dozen UKIP supporters on here regurgitating the same old hyperbole! You know what they same about empty vessels. I note that you use the same open language and open promises as the other parties "they will support, they will try", not exactly a well thought out manifesto substantiated and supported by facts, and I love the last throw away line about business rates needing to be "looked at"! And remember Cosmick it was you on another thread that thought that Hitlers 1941 speech, you know the one that conned a nation, was "good"! I will not vote for any of the above and if UKIP knock my door they will get the same response as Labour, the Tories and lib Dem.
Well said Woodsedge !
[quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: Seems to me a few people are unclear how to vote for the benefit of the local people. This will be a vote for UKIP. Yes there are a few people shouting there mouths off, the same ones who always do. Maybe about half a dozen on this matter. I can tell you the response the UKIP are getting going around with leaflets is good. What would UKIP COUNCILLORS do in local councils? I can tell you they would not of voted for a traveller site. They will try to get the TIC that was shut by the present mob. They will work to get the holiday trade a major input into WEYMOUTH so shops get better footfall. They will support local schooling for our children. (Not all schools will be under subscribed) They will support good housing projects. They will not support building on areas likely to flood. They will do what they can to support local companys. They will oppose wind farms. They will work to get parking sorted out in WEYMOUTH. More free parking to help people who just have to pop into town. Work to maintain the bus servcies and try to restore the bus routes that were changed that made it harder for local people to travel. Achieve consensus. Preserve our communities. LOCAL UKIP candidates are not in the game of looking after there mates they will be there to serve you the people who vote them in. The election for MEP s is a separate area from the local election. You all know the position that UKIP take on the E/U and i hope you will support the fastest growing political party in this country. VOTE UKIP for a better future. Business rates need to be looked at.[/p][/quote]It's the same half a dozen UKIP supporters on here regurgitating the same old hyperbole! You know what they same about empty vessels. I note that you use the same open language and open promises as the other parties "they will support, they will try", not exactly a well thought out manifesto substantiated and supported by facts, and I love the last throw away line about business rates needing to be "looked at"! And remember Cosmick it was you on another thread that thought that Hitlers 1941 speech, you know the one that conned a nation, was "good"! I will not vote for any of the above and if UKIP knock my door they will get the same response as Labour, the Tories and lib Dem.[/p][/quote]Well said Woodsedge ! livid99
  • Score: -3

8:18am Mon 12 May 14

Rocksalt says...

Well, I don't know whether Cosmick's list reflects the official views of UKIP locally, but it's helpful to have something.

As others have pointed out we would need more detail. In particular, given that UKIP have no track record, we don't know what spending they would cut in order to pay for the things they want. Alternatively, what would they start charging for to raise money. Free parking, subsidised bus routes, TICs all cost money.

On a broader note, it's UKIP policy to oppose windfarms, so that's not a surprise. Does that mean UKIP would oppose an off shore wind farm if brought work to Portland Port ? What is their view on fracking ?

In terms of planning, I don't suppose anyone queries the line ,n flood risk. But what about other planning issues?. Would UKIP support a relaxation of local planning decisions to encourage building. These are questions one might ask of any party, but the point is that Labour, Tories and to some extent Lib Dem all have more of a track record and we know what to expect, fir good or ill.

As an aside , whether we like it or not councils have a legal duty to provide traveller sites. UKIP might reasonably argue about the specific location, but unless or until the law changes they can't refuse to have any sites.
Well, I don't know whether Cosmick's list reflects the official views of UKIP locally, but it's helpful to have something. As others have pointed out we would need more detail. In particular, given that UKIP have no track record, we don't know what spending they would cut in order to pay for the things they want. Alternatively, what would they start charging for to raise money. Free parking, subsidised bus routes, TICs all cost money. On a broader note, it's UKIP policy to oppose windfarms, so that's not a surprise. Does that mean UKIP would oppose an off shore wind farm if brought work to Portland Port ? What is their view on fracking ? In terms of planning, I don't suppose anyone queries the line ,n flood risk. But what about other planning issues?. Would UKIP support a relaxation of local planning decisions to encourage building. These are questions one might ask of any party, but the point is that Labour, Tories and to some extent Lib Dem all have more of a track record and we know what to expect, fir good or ill. As an aside , whether we like it or not councils have a legal duty to provide traveller sites. UKIP might reasonably argue about the specific location, but unless or until the law changes they can't refuse to have any sites. Rocksalt
  • Score: 1

8:51am Mon 12 May 14

Sigurd Hoeberth says...

woodsedge wrote:
cosmick wrote:
Seems to me a few people are unclear how to vote for the benefit of the local people. This will be a vote for UKIP.
Yes there are a few people shouting there mouths off, the same ones who always do. Maybe about half a dozen on this matter.
I can tell you the response the UKIP are getting going around with leaflets is good.
What would UKIP COUNCILLORS do in local councils? I can tell you they would not of voted for a traveller site.
They will try to get the TIC that was shut by the present mob.
They will work to get the holiday trade a major input into WEYMOUTH so shops get better footfall.
They will support local schooling for our children. (Not all schools will be under subscribed)
They will support good housing projects.
They will not support building on areas likely to flood.
They will do what they can to support local companys.
They will oppose wind farms.
They will work to get parking sorted out in WEYMOUTH. More free parking to help people who just have to pop into town.
Work to maintain the bus servcies and try to restore the bus routes that were changed that made it harder for local people to travel.
Achieve consensus.
Preserve our communities.
LOCAL UKIP candidates are not in the game of looking after there mates they will be there to serve you the people who vote them in.
The election for MEP s is a separate area from the local election.
You all know the position that UKIP take on the E/U and i hope you will support the fastest growing political party in this country.
VOTE UKIP for a better future.
Business rates need to be looked at.
It's the same half a dozen UKIP supporters on here regurgitating the same old hyperbole! You know what they same about empty vessels. I note that you use the same open language and open promises as the other parties "they will support, they will try", not exactly a well thought out manifesto substantiated and supported by facts, and I love the last throw away line about business rates needing to be "looked at"! And remember Cosmick it was you on another thread that thought that Hitlers 1941 speech, you know the one that conned a nation, was "good"! I will not vote for any of the above and if UKIP knock my door they will get the same response as Labour, the Tories and lib Dem.
....and as always it's the same few on here spouting their same old swivel-eye vitriol and misleading propaganda against UKIP , without ever offering any other ideas themselves.
[quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: Seems to me a few people are unclear how to vote for the benefit of the local people. This will be a vote for UKIP. Yes there are a few people shouting there mouths off, the same ones who always do. Maybe about half a dozen on this matter. I can tell you the response the UKIP are getting going around with leaflets is good. What would UKIP COUNCILLORS do in local councils? I can tell you they would not of voted for a traveller site. They will try to get the TIC that was shut by the present mob. They will work to get the holiday trade a major input into WEYMOUTH so shops get better footfall. They will support local schooling for our children. (Not all schools will be under subscribed) They will support good housing projects. They will not support building on areas likely to flood. They will do what they can to support local companys. They will oppose wind farms. They will work to get parking sorted out in WEYMOUTH. More free parking to help people who just have to pop into town. Work to maintain the bus servcies and try to restore the bus routes that were changed that made it harder for local people to travel. Achieve consensus. Preserve our communities. LOCAL UKIP candidates are not in the game of looking after there mates they will be there to serve you the people who vote them in. The election for MEP s is a separate area from the local election. You all know the position that UKIP take on the E/U and i hope you will support the fastest growing political party in this country. VOTE UKIP for a better future. Business rates need to be looked at.[/p][/quote]It's the same half a dozen UKIP supporters on here regurgitating the same old hyperbole! You know what they same about empty vessels. I note that you use the same open language and open promises as the other parties "they will support, they will try", not exactly a well thought out manifesto substantiated and supported by facts, and I love the last throw away line about business rates needing to be "looked at"! And remember Cosmick it was you on another thread that thought that Hitlers 1941 speech, you know the one that conned a nation, was "good"! I will not vote for any of the above and if UKIP knock my door they will get the same response as Labour, the Tories and lib Dem.[/p][/quote]....and as always it's the same few on here spouting their same old swivel-eye vitriol and misleading propaganda against UKIP , without ever offering any other ideas themselves. Sigurd Hoeberth
  • Score: 0

9:01am Mon 12 May 14

woodsedge says...

I would suggest it is for the political parties to provide the electorate i.e me, with a manifesto so that I can make an educated decision in who or what party I will vote for. As Rocksalt as said at least with the usual suspects we know exactly what we are getting, but with UKIP they are producing a lot of sound bites without any substance, " vote for us because we are also angry!". An example would be the link to so called crimes committed by "immigrants" that is in fact without any credibility just more propaganda. The definition of propaganda is information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote a political cause or point of view, I will leave posters to decide who is producing the propaganda as I have absolutely no "political cause".
I would suggest it is for the political parties to provide the electorate i.e me, with a manifesto so that I can make an educated decision in who or what party I will vote for. As Rocksalt as said at least with the usual suspects we know exactly what we are getting, but with UKIP they are producing a lot of sound bites without any substance, " vote for us because we are also angry!". An example would be the link to so called crimes committed by "immigrants" that is in fact without any credibility just more propaganda. The definition of propaganda is information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote a political cause or point of view, I will leave posters to decide who is producing the propaganda as I have absolutely no "political cause". woodsedge
  • Score: 0

9:02am Mon 12 May 14

breamoreboy says...

cj07589 wrote:
Dan Brember wrote:
Genghis wrote:
peter.ledger3@btopen world.com wrote: Its pretty much standard practice now to indulge in smear tactics by all the main parties, UKIP is just the latest target for them all, UKIP has dared to put its head over the parapet and say what many are thinking, the other parties are just doing their best to make then sound out and out racist........as to this guy feeling "local" after 5 years sorry son, i lived in a village in somerset back in the 70,s and you had to have at least 3 generations in the graveyard to be local, and as for portland you would have to have more than that ! 5 years pah you only just moved in !!
What should be the standard, is for people to be able to question the candidates on their policies and statements they make in election leaflets, the press or elsewhere. How else can you get clarification of their views or decide whether you can put your trust in them in order to vote for them? I ask questions of as many candidates that I can, regardless of what party they stand for. I ask more questions of people that stand as independent candidates. That's not a smear campaign, it's what everybody should do before deciding who to vote for. In the above article that is exactly what Mr West did. He wanted clarification of a statement put forward by the candidate in his area. A policy that could possibly affect him and his family. Why shouldn't the electorate have such clarification, or should everybody just follow along blindly. swallowing the party line with obedience? As for the question of what, or who, is considered local, the reply from. UKIP stated that Mr West and his family should have no concerns on that matter. Are the UKIP members and supporters on this thread saying otherwise? When the UKIP candidates come canvassing around my area, I have a whole list of questions to ask them. That's not a smear campaign, I just want clarification on various points in their election leaflets. Admittedly, I don't have a similar list for the other candidates. That's where there is one big difference between UKIP and all the other parties, or independent candidates, that are standing for election. Since the beginning of the month, I have received two separate election leaflets from UKIP. I haven't had a single leaflet from all the rest of the candidates put together in order for me to compile a list of questions. Seems that they, unlike UKIP, aren't bothered about this election, and I find that very sad.
Hi Genghis, Supposing you'd be interested in hearing about our candidate and our plans for the Borough, let me or one of my colleagues know where you are and I'll make sure you receive a copy of your Labour candidate's election address and our manifesto. We try to ensure every property receives at least the candidate's election address from us but it takes time to get around to every single household. It's a little easier when, like UKIP, you only have enough candidates to campaign in half the Borough. In the meantime, if you'd like to know more about Labour's plans for Weymouth and Portland, and to provide us feedback and help shape them in future, please visit www.visionforweyport .co.uk.
Laughable....... liebour's policy is spend like there is no tomorrow bankrupt the country leave notes behind in the treasury flouting about there being no money left because incompetent champagne socialists burnt it all of stupid policies and sold our soviegnity to a bunch of lying meddling elite in Brussell.

In short a bunch of illegal war mongerying traitors who hate the English and the working class and everything they stand for.
Thank you for listening to another jam tomorrow zero policy junket from your union loving socialist ignoramuses.

I think that covered most of it did I miss anything out?
Sell off the gold reserves really, really cheaply?
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dan Brember[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Genghis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peter.ledger3@btopen world.com[/bold] wrote: Its pretty much standard practice now to indulge in smear tactics by all the main parties, UKIP is just the latest target for them all, UKIP has dared to put its head over the parapet and say what many are thinking, the other parties are just doing their best to make then sound out and out racist........as to this guy feeling "local" after 5 years sorry son, i lived in a village in somerset back in the 70,s and you had to have at least 3 generations in the graveyard to be local, and as for portland you would have to have more than that ! 5 years pah you only just moved in !![/p][/quote]What should be the standard, is for people to be able to question the candidates on their policies and statements they make in election leaflets, the press or elsewhere. How else can you get clarification of their views or decide whether you can put your trust in them in order to vote for them? I ask questions of as many candidates that I can, regardless of what party they stand for. I ask more questions of people that stand as independent candidates. That's not a smear campaign, it's what everybody should do before deciding who to vote for. In the above article that is exactly what Mr West did. He wanted clarification of a statement put forward by the candidate in his area. A policy that could possibly affect him and his family. Why shouldn't the electorate have such clarification, or should everybody just follow along blindly. swallowing the party line with obedience? As for the question of what, or who, is considered local, the reply from. UKIP stated that Mr West and his family should have no concerns on that matter. Are the UKIP members and supporters on this thread saying otherwise? When the UKIP candidates come canvassing around my area, I have a whole list of questions to ask them. That's not a smear campaign, I just want clarification on various points in their election leaflets. Admittedly, I don't have a similar list for the other candidates. That's where there is one big difference between UKIP and all the other parties, or independent candidates, that are standing for election. Since the beginning of the month, I have received two separate election leaflets from UKIP. I haven't had a single leaflet from all the rest of the candidates put together in order for me to compile a list of questions. Seems that they, unlike UKIP, aren't bothered about this election, and I find that very sad.[/p][/quote]Hi Genghis, Supposing you'd be interested in hearing about our candidate and our plans for the Borough, let me or one of my colleagues know where you are and I'll make sure you receive a copy of your Labour candidate's election address and our manifesto. We try to ensure every property receives at least the candidate's election address from us but it takes time to get around to every single household. It's a little easier when, like UKIP, you only have enough candidates to campaign in half the Borough. In the meantime, if you'd like to know more about Labour's plans for Weymouth and Portland, and to provide us feedback and help shape them in future, please visit www.visionforweyport .co.uk.[/p][/quote]Laughable....... liebour's policy is spend like there is no tomorrow bankrupt the country leave notes behind in the treasury flouting about there being no money left because incompetent champagne socialists burnt it all of stupid policies and sold our soviegnity to a bunch of lying meddling elite in Brussell. In short a bunch of illegal war mongerying traitors who hate the English and the working class and everything they stand for. Thank you for listening to another jam tomorrow zero policy junket from your union loving socialist ignoramuses. I think that covered most of it did I miss anything out?[/p][/quote]Sell off the gold reserves really, really cheaply? breamoreboy
  • Score: 4

9:06am Mon 12 May 14

cosmick says...

I wont bother at the moment wasting my time with some of the comments posted after mine.
But because it is law through the E/U that we have to provide sites for travellers, will not mean that you cannot say NO at planning meetings.
Sometimes you have to stand up and be counted.
Do you know how many propertys are empty in WEYMOUTH thjat could be made into homes? Is there any one on the council that knows or cares?
Going out to deliver UKIP posters know and give the local voters a better choice.
I wont bother at the moment wasting my time with some of the comments posted after mine. But because it is law through the E/U that we have to provide sites for travellers, will not mean that you cannot say NO at planning meetings. Sometimes you have to stand up and be counted. Do you know how many propertys are empty in WEYMOUTH thjat could be made into homes? Is there any one on the council that knows or cares? Going out to deliver UKIP posters know and give the local voters a better choice. cosmick
  • Score: 2

9:40am Mon 12 May 14

woodsedge says...

cosmick wrote:
I wont bother at the moment wasting my time with some of the comments posted after mine.
But because it is law through the E/U that we have to provide sites for travellers, will not mean that you cannot say NO at planning meetings.
Sometimes you have to stand up and be counted.
Do you know how many propertys are empty in WEYMOUTH thjat could be made into homes? Is there any one on the council that knows or cares?
Going out to deliver UKIP posters know and give the local voters a better choice.
That was a short debate on the local UKIP manifesto!
[quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: I wont bother at the moment wasting my time with some of the comments posted after mine. But because it is law through the E/U that we have to provide sites for travellers, will not mean that you cannot say NO at planning meetings. Sometimes you have to stand up and be counted. Do you know how many propertys are empty in WEYMOUTH thjat could be made into homes? Is there any one on the council that knows or cares? Going out to deliver UKIP posters know and give the local voters a better choice.[/p][/quote]That was a short debate on the local UKIP manifesto! woodsedge
  • Score: -3

10:25am Mon 12 May 14

Duckorange says...

Sigurd Hoeberth wrote:
woodsedge wrote:
cosmick wrote:
Seems to me a few people are unclear how to vote for the benefit of the local people. This will be a vote for UKIP.
Yes there are a few people shouting there mouths off, the same ones who always do. Maybe about half a dozen on this matter.
I can tell you the response the UKIP are getting going around with leaflets is good.
What would UKIP COUNCILLORS do in local councils? I can tell you they would not of voted for a traveller site.
They will try to get the TIC that was shut by the present mob.
They will work to get the holiday trade a major input into WEYMOUTH so shops get better footfall.
They will support local schooling for our children. (Not all schools will be under subscribed)
They will support good housing projects.
They will not support building on areas likely to flood.
They will do what they can to support local companys.
They will oppose wind farms.
They will work to get parking sorted out in WEYMOUTH. More free parking to help people who just have to pop into town.
Work to maintain the bus servcies and try to restore the bus routes that were changed that made it harder for local people to travel.
Achieve consensus.
Preserve our communities.
LOCAL UKIP candidates are not in the game of looking after there mates they will be there to serve you the people who vote them in.
The election for MEP s is a separate area from the local election.
You all know the position that UKIP take on the E/U and i hope you will support the fastest growing political party in this country.
VOTE UKIP for a better future.
Business rates need to be looked at.
It's the same half a dozen UKIP supporters on here regurgitating the same old hyperbole! You know what they same about empty vessels. I note that you use the same open language and open promises as the other parties "they will support, they will try", not exactly a well thought out manifesto substantiated and supported by facts, and I love the last throw away line about business rates needing to be "looked at"! And remember Cosmick it was you on another thread that thought that Hitlers 1941 speech, you know the one that conned a nation, was "good"! I will not vote for any of the above and if UKIP knock my door they will get the same response as Labour, the Tories and lib Dem.
....and as always it's the same few on here spouting their same old swivel-eye vitriol and misleading propaganda against UKIP , without ever offering any other ideas themselves.
UKIP's opponents don't need "propaganda" against the Pub Bore Party. They just let them reveal themselves as dangerous lunatics in their own words, which is often.
[quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoeberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: Seems to me a few people are unclear how to vote for the benefit of the local people. This will be a vote for UKIP. Yes there are a few people shouting there mouths off, the same ones who always do. Maybe about half a dozen on this matter. I can tell you the response the UKIP are getting going around with leaflets is good. What would UKIP COUNCILLORS do in local councils? I can tell you they would not of voted for a traveller site. They will try to get the TIC that was shut by the present mob. They will work to get the holiday trade a major input into WEYMOUTH so shops get better footfall. They will support local schooling for our children. (Not all schools will be under subscribed) They will support good housing projects. They will not support building on areas likely to flood. They will do what they can to support local companys. They will oppose wind farms. They will work to get parking sorted out in WEYMOUTH. More free parking to help people who just have to pop into town. Work to maintain the bus servcies and try to restore the bus routes that were changed that made it harder for local people to travel. Achieve consensus. Preserve our communities. LOCAL UKIP candidates are not in the game of looking after there mates they will be there to serve you the people who vote them in. The election for MEP s is a separate area from the local election. You all know the position that UKIP take on the E/U and i hope you will support the fastest growing political party in this country. VOTE UKIP for a better future. Business rates need to be looked at.[/p][/quote]It's the same half a dozen UKIP supporters on here regurgitating the same old hyperbole! You know what they same about empty vessels. I note that you use the same open language and open promises as the other parties "they will support, they will try", not exactly a well thought out manifesto substantiated and supported by facts, and I love the last throw away line about business rates needing to be "looked at"! And remember Cosmick it was you on another thread that thought that Hitlers 1941 speech, you know the one that conned a nation, was "good"! I will not vote for any of the above and if UKIP knock my door they will get the same response as Labour, the Tories and lib Dem.[/p][/quote]....and as always it's the same few on here spouting their same old swivel-eye vitriol and misleading propaganda against UKIP , without ever offering any other ideas themselves.[/p][/quote]UKIP's opponents don't need "propaganda" against the Pub Bore Party. They just let them reveal themselves as dangerous lunatics in their own words, which is often. Duckorange
  • Score: 1

10:48am Mon 12 May 14

Sigurd Hoeberth says...

woodsedge wrote:
I would suggest it is for the political parties to provide the electorate i.e me, with a manifesto so that I can make an educated decision in who or what party I will vote for. As Rocksalt as said at least with the usual suspects we know exactly what we are getting, but with UKIP they are producing a lot of sound bites without any substance, " vote for us because we are also angry!". An example would be the link to so called crimes committed by "immigrants" that is in fact without any credibility just more propaganda. The definition of propaganda is information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote a political cause or point of view, I will leave posters to decide who is producing the propaganda as I have absolutely no "political cause".
Funny, you claim you have no political cause, and that you won't vote for any of the parties, yet you only attack UKIP and never come up with any answers yourself despite all your numerous allegations and complaints..
[quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: I would suggest it is for the political parties to provide the electorate i.e me, with a manifesto so that I can make an educated decision in who or what party I will vote for. As Rocksalt as said at least with the usual suspects we know exactly what we are getting, but with UKIP they are producing a lot of sound bites without any substance, " vote for us because we are also angry!". An example would be the link to so called crimes committed by "immigrants" that is in fact without any credibility just more propaganda. The definition of propaganda is information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote a political cause or point of view, I will leave posters to decide who is producing the propaganda as I have absolutely no "political cause".[/p][/quote]Funny, you claim you have no political cause, and that you won't vote for any of the parties, yet you only attack UKIP and never come up with any answers yourself despite all your numerous allegations and complaints.. Sigurd Hoeberth
  • Score: 4

4:19pm Mon 12 May 14

Rocksalt says...

cosmick wrote:
I wont bother at the moment wasting my time with some of the comments posted after mine.
But because it is law through the E/U that we have to provide sites for travellers, will not mean that you cannot say NO at planning meetings.
Sometimes you have to stand up and be counted.
Do you know how many propertys are empty in WEYMOUTH thjat could be made into homes? Is there any one on the council that knows or cares?
Going out to deliver UKIP posters know and give the local voters a better choice.
Right, so we seem to have another example of a potential policy, I.e. turning unused properties into homes. What we need now is information as to how this will be achieved. Most empty property tends to be privately owned, so that means compulsory purchase orders. You then need money to buy the property. How will this be raised ? Selling off assets ?, borrowing?, increase council tax ? cutting spending on other things ?

I confidently predict more 'thumbs downs' in response to my seemingly unreasonable questions.
[quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: I wont bother at the moment wasting my time with some of the comments posted after mine. But because it is law through the E/U that we have to provide sites for travellers, will not mean that you cannot say NO at planning meetings. Sometimes you have to stand up and be counted. Do you know how many propertys are empty in WEYMOUTH thjat could be made into homes? Is there any one on the council that knows or cares? Going out to deliver UKIP posters know and give the local voters a better choice.[/p][/quote]Right, so we seem to have another example of a potential policy, I.e. turning unused properties into homes. What we need now is information as to how this will be achieved. Most empty property tends to be privately owned, so that means compulsory purchase orders. You then need money to buy the property. How will this be raised ? Selling off assets ?, borrowing?, increase council tax ? cutting spending on other things ? I confidently predict more 'thumbs downs' in response to my seemingly unreasonable questions. Rocksalt
  • Score: 1

5:12pm Mon 12 May 14

Genghis says...

So there you have it. A UKIP member or supporter states what UKIP is going to do, I ask for more detail on how they are going to do this and the response is a deafening silence. Just like the usual responses I tend to get get from the other three parties involved in the election. Far from a refreshing change, it's just the same old style of politics.
So there you have it. A UKIP member or supporter states what UKIP is going to do, I ask for more detail on how they are going to do this and the response is a deafening silence. Just like the usual responses I tend to get get from the other three parties involved in the election. Far from a refreshing change, it's just the same old style of politics. Genghis
  • Score: 1

6:53pm Mon 12 May 14

cj07589 says...

Sigurd Hoeberth wrote:
woodsedge wrote:
I would suggest it is for the political parties to provide the electorate i.e me, with a manifesto so that I can make an educated decision in who or what party I will vote for. As Rocksalt as said at least with the usual suspects we know exactly what we are getting, but with UKIP they are producing a lot of sound bites without any substance, " vote for us because we are also angry!". An example would be the link to so called crimes committed by "immigrants" that is in fact without any credibility just more propaganda. The definition of propaganda is information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote a political cause or point of view, I will leave posters to decide who is producing the propaganda as I have absolutely no "political cause".
Funny, you claim you have no political cause, and that you won't vote for any of the parties, yet you only attack UKIP and never come up with any answers yourself despite all your numerous allegations and complaints..
I observe a majority of Woodsedge's input seems fixated around negativity on topics rarely does opportunity get a mention, though it is always refreshing and productive in any debate to get a view from a different perspective provided it is reasonable and does not resort to immature name calling etc....
The people need to decide is it more of the same from the same old detached established career politicians working in cahoots with Brussels continuing to ignore the electorate.
What's is positive is that people are now talking about the European Union in its current untenable format and asking where do we go from here.
[quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoeberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: I would suggest it is for the political parties to provide the electorate i.e me, with a manifesto so that I can make an educated decision in who or what party I will vote for. As Rocksalt as said at least with the usual suspects we know exactly what we are getting, but with UKIP they are producing a lot of sound bites without any substance, " vote for us because we are also angry!". An example would be the link to so called crimes committed by "immigrants" that is in fact without any credibility just more propaganda. The definition of propaganda is information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote a political cause or point of view, I will leave posters to decide who is producing the propaganda as I have absolutely no "political cause".[/p][/quote]Funny, you claim you have no political cause, and that you won't vote for any of the parties, yet you only attack UKIP and never come up with any answers yourself despite all your numerous allegations and complaints..[/p][/quote]I observe a majority of Woodsedge's input seems fixated around negativity on topics rarely does opportunity get a mention, though it is always refreshing and productive in any debate to get a view from a different perspective provided it is reasonable and does not resort to immature name calling etc.... The people need to decide is it more of the same from the same old detached established career politicians working in cahoots with Brussels continuing to ignore the electorate. What's is positive is that people are now talking about the European Union in its current untenable format and asking where do we go from here. cj07589
  • Score: 4

7:01pm Mon 12 May 14

cj07589 says...

Rocksalt wrote:
cosmick wrote:
I wont bother at the moment wasting my time with some of the comments posted after mine.
But because it is law through the E/U that we have to provide sites for travellers, will not mean that you cannot say NO at planning meetings.
Sometimes you have to stand up and be counted.
Do you know how many propertys are empty in WEYMOUTH thjat could be made into homes? Is there any one on the council that knows or cares?
Going out to deliver UKIP posters know and give the local voters a better choice.
Right, so we seem to have another example of a potential policy, I.e. turning unused properties into homes. What we need now is information as to how this will be achieved. Most empty property tends to be privately owned, so that means compulsory purchase orders. You then need money to buy the property. How will this be raised ? Selling off assets ?, borrowing?, increase council tax ? cutting spending on other things ?

I confidently predict more 'thumbs downs' in response to my seemingly unreasonable questions.
Rather than demanding answers from politically potentially un-informed bloggers probably still uncertain themselves, it is not reasonable enough to draw your own rational conclusion using the information tool at your disposal?
[quote][p][bold]Rocksalt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: I wont bother at the moment wasting my time with some of the comments posted after mine. But because it is law through the E/U that we have to provide sites for travellers, will not mean that you cannot say NO at planning meetings. Sometimes you have to stand up and be counted. Do you know how many propertys are empty in WEYMOUTH thjat could be made into homes? Is there any one on the council that knows or cares? Going out to deliver UKIP posters know and give the local voters a better choice.[/p][/quote]Right, so we seem to have another example of a potential policy, I.e. turning unused properties into homes. What we need now is information as to how this will be achieved. Most empty property tends to be privately owned, so that means compulsory purchase orders. You then need money to buy the property. How will this be raised ? Selling off assets ?, borrowing?, increase council tax ? cutting spending on other things ? I confidently predict more 'thumbs downs' in response to my seemingly unreasonable questions.[/p][/quote]Rather than demanding answers from politically potentially un-informed bloggers probably still uncertain themselves, it is not reasonable enough to draw your own rational conclusion using the information tool at your disposal? cj07589
  • Score: 3

7:11pm Mon 12 May 14

cj07589 says...

Genghis wrote:
So there you have it. A UKIP member or supporter states what UKIP is going to do, I ask for more detail on how they are going to do this and the response is a deafening silence. Just like the usual responses I tend to get get from the other three parties involved in the election. Far from a refreshing change, it's just the same old style of politics.
Genghis, have you considered that perhaps they are not exactly clear themselves? Rather than broad sweeping assumptions and statements why don't you empowering yourself by doing some research starting at the official website or by calling a representative to satisfy yourself.
I think most people make choices on who to vote for a myriad of different reasons personally I don't know enough to qualify to be competent to advise. Besides my only interest is to get a vote on leaving the EU since no other party apart from UKIP is offering that democratic choice. Btw Dave's cast iron fibs don't count.
[quote][p][bold]Genghis[/bold] wrote: So there you have it. A UKIP member or supporter states what UKIP is going to do, I ask for more detail on how they are going to do this and the response is a deafening silence. Just like the usual responses I tend to get get from the other three parties involved in the election. Far from a refreshing change, it's just the same old style of politics.[/p][/quote]Genghis, have you considered that perhaps they are not exactly clear themselves? Rather than broad sweeping assumptions and statements why don't you empowering yourself by doing some research starting at the official website or by calling a representative to satisfy yourself. I think most people make choices on who to vote for a myriad of different reasons personally I don't know enough to qualify to be competent to advise. Besides my only interest is to get a vote on leaving the EU since no other party apart from UKIP is offering that democratic choice. Btw Dave's cast iron fibs don't count. cj07589
  • Score: 2

7:13pm Mon 12 May 14

breamoreboy says...

Rocksalt wrote:
cosmick wrote:
I wont bother at the moment wasting my time with some of the comments posted after mine.
But because it is law through the E/U that we have to provide sites for travellers, will not mean that you cannot say NO at planning meetings.
Sometimes you have to stand up and be counted.
Do you know how many propertys are empty in WEYMOUTH thjat could be made into homes? Is there any one on the council that knows or cares?
Going out to deliver UKIP posters know and give the local voters a better choice.
Right, so we seem to have another example of a potential policy, I.e. turning unused properties into homes. What we need now is information as to how this will be achieved. Most empty property tends to be privately owned, so that means compulsory purchase orders. You then need money to buy the property. How will this be raised ? Selling off assets ?, borrowing?, increase council tax ? cutting spending on other things ?

I confidently predict more 'thumbs downs' in response to my seemingly unreasonable questions.
All of your questions could be answered by somebody who attended the Gordon Brown School of Economics and Finance.
[quote][p][bold]Rocksalt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: I wont bother at the moment wasting my time with some of the comments posted after mine. But because it is law through the E/U that we have to provide sites for travellers, will not mean that you cannot say NO at planning meetings. Sometimes you have to stand up and be counted. Do you know how many propertys are empty in WEYMOUTH thjat could be made into homes? Is there any one on the council that knows or cares? Going out to deliver UKIP posters know and give the local voters a better choice.[/p][/quote]Right, so we seem to have another example of a potential policy, I.e. turning unused properties into homes. What we need now is information as to how this will be achieved. Most empty property tends to be privately owned, so that means compulsory purchase orders. You then need money to buy the property. How will this be raised ? Selling off assets ?, borrowing?, increase council tax ? cutting spending on other things ? I confidently predict more 'thumbs downs' in response to my seemingly unreasonable questions.[/p][/quote]All of your questions could be answered by somebody who attended the Gordon Brown School of Economics and Finance. breamoreboy
  • Score: 1

7:53pm Mon 12 May 14

cj07589 says...

breamoreboy wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
Dan Brember wrote:
Genghis wrote:
peter.ledger3@btopen world.com wrote: Its pretty much standard practice now to indulge in smear tactics by all the main parties, UKIP is just the latest target for them all, UKIP has dared to put its head over the parapet and say what many are thinking, the other parties are just doing their best to make then sound out and out racist........as to this guy feeling "local" after 5 years sorry son, i lived in a village in somerset back in the 70,s and you had to have at least 3 generations in the graveyard to be local, and as for portland you would have to have more than that ! 5 years pah you only just moved in !!
What should be the standard, is for people to be able to question the candidates on their policies and statements they make in election leaflets, the press or elsewhere. How else can you get clarification of their views or decide whether you can put your trust in them in order to vote for them? I ask questions of as many candidates that I can, regardless of what party they stand for. I ask more questions of people that stand as independent candidates. That's not a smear campaign, it's what everybody should do before deciding who to vote for. In the above article that is exactly what Mr West did. He wanted clarification of a statement put forward by the candidate in his area. A policy that could possibly affect him and his family. Why shouldn't the electorate have such clarification, or should everybody just follow along blindly. swallowing the party line with obedience? As for the question of what, or who, is considered local, the reply from. UKIP stated that Mr West and his family should have no concerns on that matter. Are the UKIP members and supporters on this thread saying otherwise? When the UKIP candidates come canvassing around my area, I have a whole list of questions to ask them. That's not a smear campaign, I just want clarification on various points in their election leaflets. Admittedly, I don't have a similar list for the other candidates. That's where there is one big difference between UKIP and all the other parties, or independent candidates, that are standing for election. Since the beginning of the month, I have received two separate election leaflets from UKIP. I haven't had a single leaflet from all the rest of the candidates put together in order for me to compile a list of questions. Seems that they, unlike UKIP, aren't bothered about this election, and I find that very sad.
Hi Genghis, Supposing you'd be interested in hearing about our candidate and our plans for the Borough, let me or one of my colleagues know where you are and I'll make sure you receive a copy of your Labour candidate's election address and our manifesto. We try to ensure every property receives at least the candidate's election address from us but it takes time to get around to every single household. It's a little easier when, like UKIP, you only have enough candidates to campaign in half the Borough. In the meantime, if you'd like to know more about Labour's plans for Weymouth and Portland, and to provide us feedback and help shape them in future, please visit www.visionforweyport .co.uk.
Laughable....... liebour's policy is spend like there is no tomorrow bankrupt the country leave notes behind in the treasury flouting about there being no money left because incompetent champagne socialists burnt it all of stupid policies and sold our soviegnity to a bunch of lying meddling elite in Brussell.

In short a bunch of illegal war mongerying traitors who hate the English and the working class and everything they stand for.
Thank you for listening to another jam tomorrow zero policy junket from your union loving socialist ignoramuses.

I think that covered most of it did I miss anything out?
Sell off the gold reserves really, really cheaply?
Yeah sorry also forgot Gordon calamity Brown robbing pensions to fund the great unwashed benefit state. A benefit state that expanded two fold under liebours 'jam for everybody' years!
When I think about liebour I feel extremely ill and worried they represent a very very dark future god forbid they ever get back into Government which is why Becker (millifool) is doing a fantastic job! :-)
[quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dan Brember[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Genghis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peter.ledger3@btopen world.com[/bold] wrote: Its pretty much standard practice now to indulge in smear tactics by all the main parties, UKIP is just the latest target for them all, UKIP has dared to put its head over the parapet and say what many are thinking, the other parties are just doing their best to make then sound out and out racist........as to this guy feeling "local" after 5 years sorry son, i lived in a village in somerset back in the 70,s and you had to have at least 3 generations in the graveyard to be local, and as for portland you would have to have more than that ! 5 years pah you only just moved in !![/p][/quote]What should be the standard, is for people to be able to question the candidates on their policies and statements they make in election leaflets, the press or elsewhere. How else can you get clarification of their views or decide whether you can put your trust in them in order to vote for them? I ask questions of as many candidates that I can, regardless of what party they stand for. I ask more questions of people that stand as independent candidates. That's not a smear campaign, it's what everybody should do before deciding who to vote for. In the above article that is exactly what Mr West did. He wanted clarification of a statement put forward by the candidate in his area. A policy that could possibly affect him and his family. Why shouldn't the electorate have such clarification, or should everybody just follow along blindly. swallowing the party line with obedience? As for the question of what, or who, is considered local, the reply from. UKIP stated that Mr West and his family should have no concerns on that matter. Are the UKIP members and supporters on this thread saying otherwise? When the UKIP candidates come canvassing around my area, I have a whole list of questions to ask them. That's not a smear campaign, I just want clarification on various points in their election leaflets. Admittedly, I don't have a similar list for the other candidates. That's where there is one big difference between UKIP and all the other parties, or independent candidates, that are standing for election. Since the beginning of the month, I have received two separate election leaflets from UKIP. I haven't had a single leaflet from all the rest of the candidates put together in order for me to compile a list of questions. Seems that they, unlike UKIP, aren't bothered about this election, and I find that very sad.[/p][/quote]Hi Genghis, Supposing you'd be interested in hearing about our candidate and our plans for the Borough, let me or one of my colleagues know where you are and I'll make sure you receive a copy of your Labour candidate's election address and our manifesto. We try to ensure every property receives at least the candidate's election address from us but it takes time to get around to every single household. It's a little easier when, like UKIP, you only have enough candidates to campaign in half the Borough. In the meantime, if you'd like to know more about Labour's plans for Weymouth and Portland, and to provide us feedback and help shape them in future, please visit www.visionforweyport .co.uk.[/p][/quote]Laughable....... liebour's policy is spend like there is no tomorrow bankrupt the country leave notes behind in the treasury flouting about there being no money left because incompetent champagne socialists burnt it all of stupid policies and sold our soviegnity to a bunch of lying meddling elite in Brussell. In short a bunch of illegal war mongerying traitors who hate the English and the working class and everything they stand for. Thank you for listening to another jam tomorrow zero policy junket from your union loving socialist ignoramuses. I think that covered most of it did I miss anything out?[/p][/quote]Sell off the gold reserves really, really cheaply?[/p][/quote]Yeah sorry also forgot Gordon calamity Brown robbing pensions to fund the great unwashed benefit state. A benefit state that expanded two fold under liebours 'jam for everybody' years! When I think about liebour I feel extremely ill and worried they represent a very very dark future god forbid they ever get back into Government which is why Becker (millifool) is doing a fantastic job! :-) cj07589
  • Score: 0

8:19pm Mon 12 May 14

Rocksalt says...

cj07589 wrote:
Rocksalt wrote:
cosmick wrote:
I wont bother at the moment wasting my time with some of the comments posted after mine.
But because it is law through the E/U that we have to provide sites for travellers, will not mean that you cannot say NO at planning meetings.
Sometimes you have to stand up and be counted.
Do you know how many propertys are empty in WEYMOUTH thjat could be made into homes? Is there any one on the council that knows or cares?
Going out to deliver UKIP posters know and give the local voters a better choice.
Right, so we seem to have another example of a potential policy, I.e. turning unused properties into homes. What we need now is information as to how this will be achieved. Most empty property tends to be privately owned, so that means compulsory purchase orders. You then need money to buy the property. How will this be raised ? Selling off assets ?, borrowing?, increase council tax ? cutting spending on other things ?

I confidently predict more 'thumbs downs' in response to my seemingly unreasonable questions.
Rather than demanding answers from politically potentially un-informed bloggers probably still uncertain themselves, it is not reasonable enough to draw your own rational conclusion using the information tool at your disposal?
I could spend the evening researching UKIPs local election policies, but then I am not telling or at least suggesting to other people that they should vote for UKIP in the local elections. If people are going to say that people should vote one way or another, I can't see that it is unreasonable to ask them why they think I / we should

For what it's worth, as mentioned in an earlier post, I did look at the W&P UKIP site, but couldn't see anything. In the absence of anything of substance in terms of the local agenda, I have, as you suggest, drawn my own rational conclusion.
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rocksalt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: I wont bother at the moment wasting my time with some of the comments posted after mine. But because it is law through the E/U that we have to provide sites for travellers, will not mean that you cannot say NO at planning meetings. Sometimes you have to stand up and be counted. Do you know how many propertys are empty in WEYMOUTH thjat could be made into homes? Is there any one on the council that knows or cares? Going out to deliver UKIP posters know and give the local voters a better choice.[/p][/quote]Right, so we seem to have another example of a potential policy, I.e. turning unused properties into homes. What we need now is information as to how this will be achieved. Most empty property tends to be privately owned, so that means compulsory purchase orders. You then need money to buy the property. How will this be raised ? Selling off assets ?, borrowing?, increase council tax ? cutting spending on other things ? I confidently predict more 'thumbs downs' in response to my seemingly unreasonable questions.[/p][/quote]Rather than demanding answers from politically potentially un-informed bloggers probably still uncertain themselves, it is not reasonable enough to draw your own rational conclusion using the information tool at your disposal?[/p][/quote]I could spend the evening researching UKIPs local election policies, but then I am not telling or at least suggesting to other people that they should vote for UKIP in the local elections. If people are going to say that people should vote one way or another, I can't see that it is unreasonable to ask them why they think I / we should For what it's worth, as mentioned in an earlier post, I did look at the W&P UKIP site, but couldn't see anything. In the absence of anything of substance in terms of the local agenda, I have, as you suggest, drawn my own rational conclusion. Rocksalt
  • Score: 1

9:24pm Mon 12 May 14

cj07589 says...

Rocksalt wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
Rocksalt wrote:
cosmick wrote:
I wont bother at the moment wasting my time with some of the comments posted after mine.
But because it is law through the E/U that we have to provide sites for travellers, will not mean that you cannot say NO at planning meetings.
Sometimes you have to stand up and be counted.
Do you know how many propertys are empty in WEYMOUTH thjat could be made into homes? Is there any one on the council that knows or cares?
Going out to deliver UKIP posters know and give the local voters a better choice.
Right, so we seem to have another example of a potential policy, I.e. turning unused properties into homes. What we need now is information as to how this will be achieved. Most empty property tends to be privately owned, so that means compulsory purchase orders. You then need money to buy the property. How will this be raised ? Selling off assets ?, borrowing?, increase council tax ? cutting spending on other things ?

I confidently predict more 'thumbs downs' in response to my seemingly unreasonable questions.
Rather than demanding answers from politically potentially un-informed bloggers probably still uncertain themselves, it is not reasonable enough to draw your own rational conclusion using the information tool at your disposal?
I could spend the evening researching UKIPs local election policies, but then I am not telling or at least suggesting to other people that they should vote for UKIP in the local elections. If people are going to say that people should vote one way or another, I can't see that it is unreasonable to ask them why they think I / we should

For what it's worth, as mentioned in an earlier post, I did look at the W&P UKIP site, but couldn't see anything. In the absence of anything of substance in terms of the local agenda, I have, as you suggest, drawn my own rational conclusion.
Good for you! Glad you worked it out!
[quote][p][bold]Rocksalt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rocksalt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: I wont bother at the moment wasting my time with some of the comments posted after mine. But because it is law through the E/U that we have to provide sites for travellers, will not mean that you cannot say NO at planning meetings. Sometimes you have to stand up and be counted. Do you know how many propertys are empty in WEYMOUTH thjat could be made into homes? Is there any one on the council that knows or cares? Going out to deliver UKIP posters know and give the local voters a better choice.[/p][/quote]Right, so we seem to have another example of a potential policy, I.e. turning unused properties into homes. What we need now is information as to how this will be achieved. Most empty property tends to be privately owned, so that means compulsory purchase orders. You then need money to buy the property. How will this be raised ? Selling off assets ?, borrowing?, increase council tax ? cutting spending on other things ? I confidently predict more 'thumbs downs' in response to my seemingly unreasonable questions.[/p][/quote]Rather than demanding answers from politically potentially un-informed bloggers probably still uncertain themselves, it is not reasonable enough to draw your own rational conclusion using the information tool at your disposal?[/p][/quote]I could spend the evening researching UKIPs local election policies, but then I am not telling or at least suggesting to other people that they should vote for UKIP in the local elections. If people are going to say that people should vote one way or another, I can't see that it is unreasonable to ask them why they think I / we should For what it's worth, as mentioned in an earlier post, I did look at the W&P UKIP site, but couldn't see anything. In the absence of anything of substance in terms of the local agenda, I have, as you suggest, drawn my own rational conclusion.[/p][/quote]Good for you! Glad you worked it out! cj07589
  • Score: 1

6:01am Tue 13 May 14

Genghis says...

cj07589 wrote:
Genghis wrote:
So there you have it. A UKIP member or supporter states what UKIP is going to do, I ask for more detail on how they are going to do this and the response is a deafening silence. Just like the usual responses I tend to get get from the other three parties involved in the election. Far from a refreshing change, it's just the same old style of politics.
Genghis, have you considered that perhaps they are not exactly clear themselves? Rather than broad sweeping assumptions and statements why don't you empowering yourself by doing some research starting at the official website or by calling a representative to satisfy yourself.
I think most people make choices on who to vote for a myriad of different reasons personally I don't know enough to qualify to be competent to advise. Besides my only interest is to get a vote on leaving the EU since no other party apart from UKIP is offering that democratic choice. Btw Dave's cast iron fibs don't count.
Broad sweeping assumptions? I asked questions about the list of things that UKIP candidates will definitely be doing if they are elected to W&PBC. Surely, if they are that definite about doing those things, they must have a definite idea or plan on how to go about it? I don't vote for someone to represent me on vague promises.

I'm sorry that my wishing to find the answers, by asking those that seem to be in the know, upsets you and other UKIP supporters and members on this column. But I'll do the same when the other parties put forward their vague and undefined promises as well. Weymouth and Portland has suffered enough from mismanagement over the years, a bunch of airy fairy promises, with no detail of how they are to be implemented, are not the basis to change that.
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Genghis[/bold] wrote: So there you have it. A UKIP member or supporter states what UKIP is going to do, I ask for more detail on how they are going to do this and the response is a deafening silence. Just like the usual responses I tend to get get from the other three parties involved in the election. Far from a refreshing change, it's just the same old style of politics.[/p][/quote]Genghis, have you considered that perhaps they are not exactly clear themselves? Rather than broad sweeping assumptions and statements why don't you empowering yourself by doing some research starting at the official website or by calling a representative to satisfy yourself. I think most people make choices on who to vote for a myriad of different reasons personally I don't know enough to qualify to be competent to advise. Besides my only interest is to get a vote on leaving the EU since no other party apart from UKIP is offering that democratic choice. Btw Dave's cast iron fibs don't count.[/p][/quote]Broad sweeping assumptions? I asked questions about the list of things that UKIP candidates will definitely be doing if they are elected to W&PBC. Surely, if they are that definite about doing those things, they must have a definite idea or plan on how to go about it? I don't vote for someone to represent me on vague promises. I'm sorry that my wishing to find the answers, by asking those that seem to be in the know, upsets you and other UKIP supporters and members on this column. But I'll do the same when the other parties put forward their vague and undefined promises as well. Weymouth and Portland has suffered enough from mismanagement over the years, a bunch of airy fairy promises, with no detail of how they are to be implemented, are not the basis to change that. Genghis
  • Score: 1

8:24am Tue 13 May 14

Jimmytheone says...

After scanning the comments above the discussion of who is local reminds me of a meeting about 40 years ago on Portland.My friend married a girl living on Portland. I asked her mother how long they had lived on the Island and she said 60 years. I spoke to another elderly guest and commented how another generation of Portlanders would soon be growing.The old lady scowled and said "she aint from yer she aint one of us" So after 60 years you are not local and thats a long time before UKIP or RDW.
After scanning the comments above the discussion of who is local reminds me of a meeting about 40 years ago on Portland.My friend married a girl living on Portland. I asked her mother how long they had lived on the Island and she said 60 years. I spoke to another elderly guest and commented how another generation of Portlanders would soon be growing.The old lady scowled and said "she aint from yer she aint one of us" So after 60 years you are not local and thats a long time before UKIP or RDW. Jimmytheone
  • Score: 1

8:33am Tue 13 May 14

Rocksalt says...

Jimmytheone wrote:
After scanning the comments above the discussion of who is local reminds me of a meeting about 40 years ago on Portland.My friend married a girl living on Portland. I asked her mother how long they had lived on the Island and she said 60 years. I spoke to another elderly guest and commented how another generation of Portlanders would soon be growing.The old lady scowled and said "she aint from yer she aint one of us" So after 60 years you are not local and thats a long time before UKIP or RDW.
I think it's nice that some people have deep roots in the place where they live. That said it's ultimately an accident of birth. And if all our antecedents had remained within a mile or two of where they were born we would be still be living in the stone age.
[quote][p][bold]Jimmytheone[/bold] wrote: After scanning the comments above the discussion of who is local reminds me of a meeting about 40 years ago on Portland.My friend married a girl living on Portland. I asked her mother how long they had lived on the Island and she said 60 years. I spoke to another elderly guest and commented how another generation of Portlanders would soon be growing.The old lady scowled and said "she aint from yer she aint one of us" So after 60 years you are not local and thats a long time before UKIP or RDW.[/p][/quote]I think it's nice that some people have deep roots in the place where they live. That said it's ultimately an accident of birth. And if all our antecedents had remained within a mile or two of where they were born we would be still be living in the stone age. Rocksalt
  • Score: 3

8:34am Tue 13 May 14

Rocksalt says...

Jimmytheone wrote:
After scanning the comments above the discussion of who is local reminds me of a meeting about 40 years ago on Portland.My friend married a girl living on Portland. I asked her mother how long they had lived on the Island and she said 60 years. I spoke to another elderly guest and commented how another generation of Portlanders would soon be growing.The old lady scowled and said "she aint from yer she aint one of us" So after 60 years you are not local and thats a long time before UKIP or RDW.
I think it's nice that some people have deep roots in the place where they live. That said it's ultimately an accident of birth. And if all our antecedents had remained within a mile or two of where they were born we would be still be living in the stone age.
[quote][p][bold]Jimmytheone[/bold] wrote: After scanning the comments above the discussion of who is local reminds me of a meeting about 40 years ago on Portland.My friend married a girl living on Portland. I asked her mother how long they had lived on the Island and she said 60 years. I spoke to another elderly guest and commented how another generation of Portlanders would soon be growing.The old lady scowled and said "she aint from yer she aint one of us" So after 60 years you are not local and thats a long time before UKIP or RDW.[/p][/quote]I think it's nice that some people have deep roots in the place where they live. That said it's ultimately an accident of birth. And if all our antecedents had remained within a mile or two of where they were born we would be still be living in the stone age. Rocksalt
  • Score: 3

3:32pm Tue 13 May 14

rjimmer says...

The media can print what they like, I'm voting UKIP in the upcoming election, but I will probably vote for Richard Drax next year.
The media can print what they like, I'm voting UKIP in the upcoming election, but I will probably vote for Richard Drax next year. rjimmer
  • Score: -1

5:20pm Tue 13 May 14

breamoreboy says...

rjimmer wrote:
The media can print what they like, I'm voting UKIP in the upcoming election, but I will probably vote for Richard Drax next year.
Seems quite apt, voting for a bloke who's family originally made their money from the slave trade.
[quote][p][bold]rjimmer[/bold] wrote: The media can print what they like, I'm voting UKIP in the upcoming election, but I will probably vote for Richard Drax next year.[/p][/quote]Seems quite apt, voting for a bloke who's family originally made their money from the slave trade. breamoreboy
  • Score: 1

6:02pm Tue 13 May 14

Bert Fry says...

So 102 comments and I still don't know what UKIP consider to be a local.
So 102 comments and I still don't know what UKIP consider to be a local. Bert Fry
  • Score: 0

10:37pm Tue 13 May 14

woodsedge says...

Bert Fry wrote:
So 102 comments and I still don't know what UKIP consider to be a local.
And you won't,they make it up as they go along!
[quote][p][bold]Bert Fry[/bold] wrote: So 102 comments and I still don't know what UKIP consider to be a local.[/p][/quote]And you won't,they make it up as they go along! woodsedge
  • Score: -2

12:44am Wed 14 May 14

breamoreboy says...

woodsedge wrote:
Bert Fry wrote:
So 102 comments and I still don't know what UKIP consider to be a local.
And you won't,they make it up as they go along!
Sorry woodsedge you're completely wrong on that one, they're not bright enough to make it up as they go along.
[quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bert Fry[/bold] wrote: So 102 comments and I still don't know what UKIP consider to be a local.[/p][/quote]And you won't,they make it up as they go along![/p][/quote]Sorry woodsedge you're completely wrong on that one, they're not bright enough to make it up as they go along. breamoreboy
  • Score: -2

12:52am Wed 14 May 14

breamoreboy says...

woodsedge wrote:
Bert Fry wrote:
So 102 comments and I still don't know what UKIP consider to be a local.
And you won't,they make it up as they go along!
Sorry woodsedge you're completely wrong on that one, they're not bright enough to make it up as they go along.
[quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bert Fry[/bold] wrote: So 102 comments and I still don't know what UKIP consider to be a local.[/p][/quote]And you won't,they make it up as they go along![/p][/quote]Sorry woodsedge you're completely wrong on that one, they're not bright enough to make it up as they go along. breamoreboy
  • Score: -2

8:43am Wed 14 May 14

Rocksalt says...

As a postscript, in an earlier post I said that I knew UKIP opposed wind farms, but wondered how they viewed fracking. I ow understand that UKIP are shale gas fans, so I must assume they would be in favour of fracking locally.

Incidentally, I did find the national UKIP local election manifesto. Sadly, it wasn't much help. Most if it refers either to things that are not within the gift of local councils, or to things that in our context are dealt with by Dorset CC ( e.g. schools and adult social care.

That leaves, for example, parking and economic regeneration. UKiP policy appears to be to have free parking, although we don't know how this would be paid for. Nor is it clear what credentials, if any, UKIP candidates have in terms of regeneration.
As a postscript, in an earlier post I said that I knew UKIP opposed wind farms, but wondered how they viewed fracking. I ow understand that UKIP are shale gas fans, so I must assume they would be in favour of fracking locally. Incidentally, I did find the national UKIP local election manifesto. Sadly, it wasn't much help. Most if it refers either to things that are not within the gift of local councils, or to things that in our context are dealt with by Dorset CC ( e.g. schools and adult social care. That leaves, for example, parking and economic regeneration. UKiP policy appears to be to have free parking, although we don't know how this would be paid for. Nor is it clear what credentials, if any, UKIP candidates have in terms of regeneration. Rocksalt
  • Score: 0

9:24pm Wed 14 May 14

cj07589 says...

breamoreboy wrote:
woodsedge wrote:
Bert Fry wrote:
So 102 comments and I still don't know what UKIP consider to be a local.
And you won't,they make it up as they go along!
Sorry woodsedge you're completely wrong on that one, they're not bright enough to make it up as they go along.
Coming from the pair of self appointed drips, why don't you execute some initiative and brain power and work it out for yourselves it beggars all believe that you expect third parties to feed you the info. By products of the nanny state perhaps?
[quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bert Fry[/bold] wrote: So 102 comments and I still don't know what UKIP consider to be a local.[/p][/quote]And you won't,they make it up as they go along![/p][/quote]Sorry woodsedge you're completely wrong on that one, they're not bright enough to make it up as they go along.[/p][/quote]Coming from the pair of self appointed drips, why don't you execute some initiative and brain power and work it out for yourselves it beggars all believe that you expect third parties to feed you the info. By products of the nanny state perhaps? cj07589
  • Score: 1

9:40pm Wed 14 May 14

cj07589 says...

breamoreboy wrote:
woodsedge wrote:
Bert Fry wrote:
So 102 comments and I still don't know what UKIP consider to be a local.
And you won't,they make it up as they go along!
Sorry woodsedge you're completely wrong on that one, they're not bright enough to make it up as they go along.
What makes you qualified to presume others here are less radiant than your royal highness? Please elaborate as to the quantity and quality of qualifications you posses and confirm the fields of academia and Universities they were acquired at.
I'd like to feedback that 'bright' in context of your presumably intended slur is a poor choice of word but since you're the font of all knowledge and lecturer of the English language and it's application please do inform us as I can't work out whether your poorly educated or trying to be a smart arse operating beyond your god given abilities which would go a long way to explaining the complete absence of initiative and sub-standard literacy.
[quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bert Fry[/bold] wrote: So 102 comments and I still don't know what UKIP consider to be a local.[/p][/quote]And you won't,they make it up as they go along![/p][/quote]Sorry woodsedge you're completely wrong on that one, they're not bright enough to make it up as they go along.[/p][/quote]What makes you qualified to presume others here are less radiant than your royal highness? Please elaborate as to the quantity and quality of qualifications you posses and confirm the fields of academia and Universities they were acquired at. I'd like to feedback that 'bright' in context of your presumably intended slur is a poor choice of word but since you're the font of all knowledge and lecturer of the English language and it's application please do inform us as I can't work out whether your poorly educated or trying to be a smart arse operating beyond your god given abilities which would go a long way to explaining the complete absence of initiative and sub-standard literacy. cj07589
  • Score: 6

9:55pm Wed 14 May 14

woodsedge says...

cj07589 wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
woodsedge wrote:
Bert Fry wrote:
So 102 comments and I still don't know what UKIP consider to be a local.
And you won't,they make it up as they go along!
Sorry woodsedge you're completely wrong on that one, they're not bright enough to make it up as they go along.
Coming from the pair of self appointed drips, why don't you execute some initiative and brain power and work it out for yourselves it beggars all believe that you expect third parties to feed you the info. By products of the nanny state perhaps?
"coming from the pair ..." Breamoreboy, Bert Fry and woodsedge, that's three old boy not two, can't even get that right! So much anger and still no policy or manifesto. At least the majority of posters on here can see UKIP and their supporters for what they are, ANGRY and rudderless!
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bert Fry[/bold] wrote: So 102 comments and I still don't know what UKIP consider to be a local.[/p][/quote]And you won't,they make it up as they go along![/p][/quote]Sorry woodsedge you're completely wrong on that one, they're not bright enough to make it up as they go along.[/p][/quote]Coming from the pair of self appointed drips, why don't you execute some initiative and brain power and work it out for yourselves it beggars all believe that you expect third parties to feed you the info. By products of the nanny state perhaps?[/p][/quote]"coming from the pair ..." Breamoreboy, Bert Fry and woodsedge, that's three old boy not two, can't even get that right! So much anger and still no policy or manifesto. At least the majority of posters on here can see UKIP and their supporters for what they are, ANGRY and rudderless! woodsedge
  • Score: -4

10:02pm Wed 14 May 14

cj07589 says...

Woodsedge I really do feel sorry for you, also please stop shouting too Mr angry bigotgate.
Woodsedge I really do feel sorry for you, also please stop shouting too Mr angry bigotgate. cj07589
  • Score: 3

10:14pm Wed 14 May 14

cj07589 says...

woodsedge wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
woodsedge wrote:
Bert Fry wrote:
So 102 comments and I still don't know what UKIP consider to be a local.
And you won't,they make it up as they go along!
Sorry woodsedge you're completely wrong on that one, they're not bright enough to make it up as they go along.
Coming from the pair of self appointed drips, why don't you execute some initiative and brain power and work it out for yourselves it beggars all believe that you expect third parties to feed you the info. By products of the nanny state perhaps?
"coming from the pair ..." Breamoreboy, Bert Fry and woodsedge, that's three old boy not two, can't even get that right! So much anger and still no policy or manifesto. At least the majority of posters on here can see UKIP and their supporters for what they are, ANGRY and rudderless!
Drawing conclusions and making broad sweeping assumptions again? and yes I was specifically referring to Breamoreboy and yourself, it's like the hypocrite bigot dream team what are you both going to do after May 22nd? Don't you have any other websites to troll as your predictable illogical antics and fact less ranting is tiresome.
[quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bert Fry[/bold] wrote: So 102 comments and I still don't know what UKIP consider to be a local.[/p][/quote]And you won't,they make it up as they go along![/p][/quote]Sorry woodsedge you're completely wrong on that one, they're not bright enough to make it up as they go along.[/p][/quote]Coming from the pair of self appointed drips, why don't you execute some initiative and brain power and work it out for yourselves it beggars all believe that you expect third parties to feed you the info. By products of the nanny state perhaps?[/p][/quote]"coming from the pair ..." Breamoreboy, Bert Fry and woodsedge, that's three old boy not two, can't even get that right! So much anger and still no policy or manifesto. At least the majority of posters on here can see UKIP and their supporters for what they are, ANGRY and rudderless![/p][/quote]Drawing conclusions and making broad sweeping assumptions again? and yes I was specifically referring to Breamoreboy and yourself, it's like the hypocrite bigot dream team what are you both going to do after May 22nd? Don't you have any other websites to troll as your predictable illogical antics and fact less ranting is tiresome. cj07589
  • Score: 3

1:23am Thu 15 May 14

breamoreboy says...

cj07589 wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
woodsedge wrote:
Bert Fry wrote:
So 102 comments and I still don't know what UKIP consider to be a local.
And you won't,they make it up as they go along!
Sorry woodsedge you're completely wrong on that one, they're not bright enough to make it up as they go along.
Coming from the pair of self appointed drips, why don't you execute some initiative and brain power and work it out for yourselves it beggars all believe that you expect third parties to feed you the info. By products of the nanny state perhaps?
Hard working grafter from a very poor family who got an engineering degree. Forced out of work by Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. Despite that I'm still just about keeping my head above water, but thanks for asking.
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bert Fry[/bold] wrote: So 102 comments and I still don't know what UKIP consider to be a local.[/p][/quote]And you won't,they make it up as they go along![/p][/quote]Sorry woodsedge you're completely wrong on that one, they're not bright enough to make it up as they go along.[/p][/quote]Coming from the pair of self appointed drips, why don't you execute some initiative and brain power and work it out for yourselves it beggars all believe that you expect third parties to feed you the info. By products of the nanny state perhaps?[/p][/quote]Hard working grafter from a very poor family who got an engineering degree. Forced out of work by Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. Despite that I'm still just about keeping my head above water, but thanks for asking. breamoreboy
  • Score: -1

1:33am Thu 15 May 14

breamoreboy says...

cj07589 wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
woodsedge wrote:
Bert Fry wrote:
So 102 comments and I still don't know what UKIP consider to be a local.
And you won't,they make it up as they go along!
Sorry woodsedge you're completely wrong on that one, they're not bright enough to make it up as they go along.
What makes you qualified to presume others here are less radiant than your royal highness? Please elaborate as to the quantity and quality of qualifications you posses and confirm the fields of academia and Universities they were acquired at.
I'd like to feedback that 'bright' in context of your presumably intended slur is a poor choice of word but since you're the font of all knowledge and lecturer of the English language and it's application please do inform us as I can't work out whether your poorly educated or trying to be a smart arse operating beyond your god given abilities which would go a long way to explaining the complete absence of initiative and sub-standard literacy.
Engineering degree from Portsmouth Polytechnic. Former Member of the British Computer Society and Chartered Engineer. I only gave up my membership as I was forced out of work by Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and so couldn't afford the annual fees. Always had a very strong interest in both history, especially the military side, and politics as I consider them to be so important.

"Your poorly educated", "sub-standard literacy", need I say more? Well yes, please put the gun down before you shoot the other foot, or did that get shot off years ago?
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bert Fry[/bold] wrote: So 102 comments and I still don't know what UKIP consider to be a local.[/p][/quote]And you won't,they make it up as they go along![/p][/quote]Sorry woodsedge you're completely wrong on that one, they're not bright enough to make it up as they go along.[/p][/quote]What makes you qualified to presume others here are less radiant than your royal highness? Please elaborate as to the quantity and quality of qualifications you posses and confirm the fields of academia and Universities they were acquired at. I'd like to feedback that 'bright' in context of your presumably intended slur is a poor choice of word but since you're the font of all knowledge and lecturer of the English language and it's application please do inform us as I can't work out whether your poorly educated or trying to be a smart arse operating beyond your god given abilities which would go a long way to explaining the complete absence of initiative and sub-standard literacy.[/p][/quote]Engineering degree from Portsmouth Polytechnic. Former Member of the British Computer Society and Chartered Engineer. I only gave up my membership as I was forced out of work by Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and so couldn't afford the annual fees. Always had a very strong interest in both history, especially the military side, and politics as I consider them to be so important. "Your poorly educated", "sub-standard literacy", need I say more? Well yes, please put the gun down before you shoot the other foot, or did that get shot off years ago? breamoreboy
  • Score: 0

1:35am Thu 15 May 14

breamoreboy says...

woodsedge wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
woodsedge wrote:
Bert Fry wrote:
So 102 comments and I still don't know what UKIP consider to be a local.
And you won't,they make it up as they go along!
Sorry woodsedge you're completely wrong on that one, they're not bright enough to make it up as they go along.
Coming from the pair of self appointed drips, why don't you execute some initiative and brain power and work it out for yourselves it beggars all believe that you expect third parties to feed you the info. By products of the nanny state perhaps?
"coming from the pair ..." Breamoreboy, Bert Fry and woodsedge, that's three old boy not two, can't even get that right! So much anger and still no policy or manifesto. At least the majority of posters on here can see UKIP and their supporters for what they are, ANGRY and rudderless!
And brainless.
[quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bert Fry[/bold] wrote: So 102 comments and I still don't know what UKIP consider to be a local.[/p][/quote]And you won't,they make it up as they go along![/p][/quote]Sorry woodsedge you're completely wrong on that one, they're not bright enough to make it up as they go along.[/p][/quote]Coming from the pair of self appointed drips, why don't you execute some initiative and brain power and work it out for yourselves it beggars all believe that you expect third parties to feed you the info. By products of the nanny state perhaps?[/p][/quote]"coming from the pair ..." Breamoreboy, Bert Fry and woodsedge, that's three old boy not two, can't even get that right! So much anger and still no policy or manifesto. At least the majority of posters on here can see UKIP and their supporters for what they are, ANGRY and rudderless![/p][/quote]And brainless. breamoreboy
  • Score: -2

1:38am Thu 15 May 14

breamoreboy says...

cj07589 wrote:
woodsedge wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
woodsedge wrote:
Bert Fry wrote:
So 102 comments and I still don't know what UKIP consider to be a local.
And you won't,they make it up as they go along!
Sorry woodsedge you're completely wrong on that one, they're not bright enough to make it up as they go along.
Coming from the pair of self appointed drips, why don't you execute some initiative and brain power and work it out for yourselves it beggars all believe that you expect third parties to feed you the info. By products of the nanny state perhaps?
"coming from the pair ..." Breamoreboy, Bert Fry and woodsedge, that's three old boy not two, can't even get that right! So much anger and still no policy or manifesto. At least the majority of posters on here can see UKIP and their supporters for what they are, ANGRY and rudderless!
Drawing conclusions and making broad sweeping assumptions again? and yes I was specifically referring to Breamoreboy and yourself, it's like the hypocrite bigot dream team what are you both going to do after May 22nd? Don't you have any other websites to troll as your predictable illogical antics and fact less ranting is tiresome.
Well I've stated elsewhere where I did my education. Where did you go, the Dr Goebbels School of Diplomacy? Followed up by a career in Orwell's Ministry of Truth?
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bert Fry[/bold] wrote: So 102 comments and I still don't know what UKIP consider to be a local.[/p][/quote]And you won't,they make it up as they go along![/p][/quote]Sorry woodsedge you're completely wrong on that one, they're not bright enough to make it up as they go along.[/p][/quote]Coming from the pair of self appointed drips, why don't you execute some initiative and brain power and work it out for yourselves it beggars all believe that you expect third parties to feed you the info. By products of the nanny state perhaps?[/p][/quote]"coming from the pair ..." Breamoreboy, Bert Fry and woodsedge, that's three old boy not two, can't even get that right! So much anger and still no policy or manifesto. At least the majority of posters on here can see UKIP and their supporters for what they are, ANGRY and rudderless![/p][/quote]Drawing conclusions and making broad sweeping assumptions again? and yes I was specifically referring to Breamoreboy and yourself, it's like the hypocrite bigot dream team what are you both going to do after May 22nd? Don't you have any other websites to troll as your predictable illogical antics and fact less ranting is tiresome.[/p][/quote]Well I've stated elsewhere where I did my education. Where did you go, the Dr Goebbels School of Diplomacy? Followed up by a career in Orwell's Ministry of Truth? breamoreboy
  • Score: -2

1:48am Thu 15 May 14

breamoreboy says...

cj07589 wrote:
woodsedge wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
woodsedge wrote:
Bert Fry wrote:
So 102 comments and I still don't know what UKIP consider to be a local.
And you won't,they make it up as they go along!
Sorry woodsedge you're completely wrong on that one, they're not bright enough to make it up as they go along.
Coming from the pair of self appointed drips, why don't you execute some initiative and brain power and work it out for yourselves it beggars all believe that you expect third parties to feed you the info. By products of the nanny state perhaps?
"coming from the pair ..." Breamoreboy, Bert Fry and woodsedge, that's three old boy not two, can't even get that right! So much anger and still no policy or manifesto. At least the majority of posters on here can see UKIP and their supporters for what they are, ANGRY and rudderless!
Drawing conclusions and making broad sweeping assumptions again? and yes I was specifically referring to Breamoreboy and yourself, it's like the hypocrite bigot dream team what are you both going to do after May 22nd? Don't you have any other websites to troll as your predictable illogical antics and fact less ranting is tiresome.
Strange that when people ask questions but don't get answers, so they then repeat the questions, instead of getting answers they get statements as in the last sentence above. Thankfully the vast majority of people in this country aren't stupid enough to fall for nonsense like that and so won't vote for the black and brown shirts of UKIP. Sure, they might get a couple of seats in the European election, but that's meaningless as they don't intend using them. Come the general election they'll probably lose their deposits everywhere and with any luck drop out of existence all together. The only downside is we'll be left with the current bunch of bozos in Parliament, but what do you expect with our representative and not democratic form of government?
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bert Fry[/bold] wrote: So 102 comments and I still don't know what UKIP consider to be a local.[/p][/quote]And you won't,they make it up as they go along![/p][/quote]Sorry woodsedge you're completely wrong on that one, they're not bright enough to make it up as they go along.[/p][/quote]Coming from the pair of self appointed drips, why don't you execute some initiative and brain power and work it out for yourselves it beggars all believe that you expect third parties to feed you the info. By products of the nanny state perhaps?[/p][/quote]"coming from the pair ..." Breamoreboy, Bert Fry and woodsedge, that's three old boy not two, can't even get that right! So much anger and still no policy or manifesto. At least the majority of posters on here can see UKIP and their supporters for what they are, ANGRY and rudderless![/p][/quote]Drawing conclusions and making broad sweeping assumptions again? and yes I was specifically referring to Breamoreboy and yourself, it's like the hypocrite bigot dream team what are you both going to do after May 22nd? Don't you have any other websites to troll as your predictable illogical antics and fact less ranting is tiresome.[/p][/quote]Strange that when people ask questions but don't get answers, so they then repeat the questions, instead of getting answers they get statements as in the last sentence above. Thankfully the vast majority of people in this country aren't stupid enough to fall for nonsense like that and so won't vote for the black and brown shirts of UKIP. Sure, they might get a couple of seats in the European election, but that's meaningless as they don't intend using them. Come the general election they'll probably lose their deposits everywhere and with any luck drop out of existence all together. The only downside is we'll be left with the current bunch of bozos in Parliament, but what do you expect with our representative and not democratic form of government? breamoreboy
  • Score: 0

7:44am Thu 15 May 14

woodsedge says...

breamoreboy wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
woodsedge wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
woodsedge wrote:
Bert Fry wrote:
So 102 comments and I still don't know what UKIP consider to be a local.
And you won't,they make it up as they go along!
Sorry woodsedge you're completely wrong on that one, they're not bright enough to make it up as they go along.
Coming from the pair of self appointed drips, why don't you execute some initiative and brain power and work it out for yourselves it beggars all believe that you expect third parties to feed you the info. By products of the nanny state perhaps?
"coming from the pair ..." Breamoreboy, Bert Fry and woodsedge, that's three old boy not two, can't even get that right! So much anger and still no policy or manifesto. At least the majority of posters on here can see UKIP and their supporters for what they are, ANGRY and rudderless!
Drawing conclusions and making broad sweeping assumptions again? and yes I was specifically referring to Breamoreboy and yourself, it's like the hypocrite bigot dream team what are you both going to do after May 22nd? Don't you have any other websites to troll as your predictable illogical antics and fact less ranting is tiresome.
Well I've stated elsewhere where I did my education. Where did you go, the Dr Goebbels School of Diplomacy? Followed up by a career in Orwell's Ministry of Truth?
Your wasting your breath, it always get a personal with UKIP when they run out of a rational response. For what it is worth I am a former police officer and now working in a professional field with a degree in employment law advising and representing scientists, engineers and interacting with some of the largest employers in the UK. Oh, and I have always paid my taxes and national insurance in the UK, how about you cj old boy?
[quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bert Fry[/bold] wrote: So 102 comments and I still don't know what UKIP consider to be a local.[/p][/quote]And you won't,they make it up as they go along![/p][/quote]Sorry woodsedge you're completely wrong on that one, they're not bright enough to make it up as they go along.[/p][/quote]Coming from the pair of self appointed drips, why don't you execute some initiative and brain power and work it out for yourselves it beggars all believe that you expect third parties to feed you the info. By products of the nanny state perhaps?[/p][/quote]"coming from the pair ..." Breamoreboy, Bert Fry and woodsedge, that's three old boy not two, can't even get that right! So much anger and still no policy or manifesto. At least the majority of posters on here can see UKIP and their supporters for what they are, ANGRY and rudderless![/p][/quote]Drawing conclusions and making broad sweeping assumptions again? and yes I was specifically referring to Breamoreboy and yourself, it's like the hypocrite bigot dream team what are you both going to do after May 22nd? Don't you have any other websites to troll as your predictable illogical antics and fact less ranting is tiresome.[/p][/quote]Well I've stated elsewhere where I did my education. Where did you go, the Dr Goebbels School of Diplomacy? Followed up by a career in Orwell's Ministry of Truth?[/p][/quote]Your wasting your breath, it always get a personal with UKIP when they run out of a rational response. For what it is worth I am a former police officer and now working in a professional field with a degree in employment law advising and representing scientists, engineers and interacting with some of the largest employers in the UK. Oh, and I have always paid my taxes and national insurance in the UK, how about you cj old boy? woodsedge
  • Score: -1

8:50pm Thu 15 May 14

breamoreboy says...

woodsedge wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
woodsedge wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
woodsedge wrote:
Bert Fry wrote:
So 102 comments and I still don't know what UKIP consider to be a local.
And you won't,they make it up as they go along!
Sorry woodsedge you're completely wrong on that one, they're not bright enough to make it up as they go along.
Coming from the pair of self appointed drips, why don't you execute some initiative and brain power and work it out for yourselves it beggars all believe that you expect third parties to feed you the info. By products of the nanny state perhaps?
"coming from the pair ..." Breamoreboy, Bert Fry and woodsedge, that's three old boy not two, can't even get that right! So much anger and still no policy or manifesto. At least the majority of posters on here can see UKIP and their supporters for what they are, ANGRY and rudderless!
Drawing conclusions and making broad sweeping assumptions again? and yes I was specifically referring to Breamoreboy and yourself, it's like the hypocrite bigot dream team what are you both going to do after May 22nd? Don't you have any other websites to troll as your predictable illogical antics and fact less ranting is tiresome.
Well I've stated elsewhere where I did my education. Where did you go, the Dr Goebbels School of Diplomacy? Followed up by a career in Orwell's Ministry of Truth?
Your wasting your breath, it always get a personal with UKIP when they run out of a rational response. For what it is worth I am a former police officer and now working in a professional field with a degree in employment law advising and representing scientists, engineers and interacting with some of the largest employers in the UK. Oh, and I have always paid my taxes and national insurance in the UK, how about you cj old boy?
The silence is totally deafening, which makes me suspicious, are they planning Kristallnacht II?
[quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bert Fry[/bold] wrote: So 102 comments and I still don't know what UKIP consider to be a local.[/p][/quote]And you won't,they make it up as they go along![/p][/quote]Sorry woodsedge you're completely wrong on that one, they're not bright enough to make it up as they go along.[/p][/quote]Coming from the pair of self appointed drips, why don't you execute some initiative and brain power and work it out for yourselves it beggars all believe that you expect third parties to feed you the info. By products of the nanny state perhaps?[/p][/quote]"coming from the pair ..." Breamoreboy, Bert Fry and woodsedge, that's three old boy not two, can't even get that right! So much anger and still no policy or manifesto. At least the majority of posters on here can see UKIP and their supporters for what they are, ANGRY and rudderless![/p][/quote]Drawing conclusions and making broad sweeping assumptions again? and yes I was specifically referring to Breamoreboy and yourself, it's like the hypocrite bigot dream team what are you both going to do after May 22nd? Don't you have any other websites to troll as your predictable illogical antics and fact less ranting is tiresome.[/p][/quote]Well I've stated elsewhere where I did my education. Where did you go, the Dr Goebbels School of Diplomacy? Followed up by a career in Orwell's Ministry of Truth?[/p][/quote]Your wasting your breath, it always get a personal with UKIP when they run out of a rational response. For what it is worth I am a former police officer and now working in a professional field with a degree in employment law advising and representing scientists, engineers and interacting with some of the largest employers in the UK. Oh, and I have always paid my taxes and national insurance in the UK, how about you cj old boy?[/p][/quote]The silence is totally deafening, which makes me suspicious, are they planning Kristallnacht II? breamoreboy
  • Score: 0

10:31pm Thu 15 May 14

cosmick says...

woodsedge wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
woodsedge wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
woodsedge wrote:
Bert Fry wrote:
So 102 comments and I still don't know what UKIP consider to be a local.
And you won't,they make it up as they go along!
Sorry woodsedge you're completely wrong on that one, they're not bright enough to make it up as they go along.
Coming from the pair of self appointed drips, why don't you execute some initiative and brain power and work it out for yourselves it beggars all believe that you expect third parties to feed you the info. By products of the nanny state perhaps?
"coming from the pair ..." Breamoreboy, Bert Fry and woodsedge, that's three old boy not two, can't even get that right! So much anger and still no policy or manifesto. At least the majority of posters on here can see UKIP and their supporters for what they are, ANGRY and rudderless!
Drawing conclusions and making broad sweeping assumptions again? and yes I was specifically referring to Breamoreboy and yourself, it's like the hypocrite bigot dream team what are you both going to do after May 22nd? Don't you have any other websites to troll as your predictable illogical antics and fact less ranting is tiresome.
Well I've stated elsewhere where I did my education. Where did you go, the Dr Goebbels School of Diplomacy? Followed up by a career in Orwell's Ministry of Truth?
Your wasting your breath, it always get a personal with UKIP when they run out of a rational response. For what it is worth I am a former police officer and now working in a professional field with a degree in employment law advising and representing scientists, engineers and interacting with some of the largest employers in the UK. Oh, and I have always paid my taxes and national insurance in the UK, how about you cj old boy?
Looking at all your post i think you must be a nut case.
[quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bert Fry[/bold] wrote: So 102 comments and I still don't know what UKIP consider to be a local.[/p][/quote]And you won't,they make it up as they go along![/p][/quote]Sorry woodsedge you're completely wrong on that one, they're not bright enough to make it up as they go along.[/p][/quote]Coming from the pair of self appointed drips, why don't you execute some initiative and brain power and work it out for yourselves it beggars all believe that you expect third parties to feed you the info. By products of the nanny state perhaps?[/p][/quote]"coming from the pair ..." Breamoreboy, Bert Fry and woodsedge, that's three old boy not two, can't even get that right! So much anger and still no policy or manifesto. At least the majority of posters on here can see UKIP and their supporters for what they are, ANGRY and rudderless![/p][/quote]Drawing conclusions and making broad sweeping assumptions again? and yes I was specifically referring to Breamoreboy and yourself, it's like the hypocrite bigot dream team what are you both going to do after May 22nd? Don't you have any other websites to troll as your predictable illogical antics and fact less ranting is tiresome.[/p][/quote]Well I've stated elsewhere where I did my education. Where did you go, the Dr Goebbels School of Diplomacy? Followed up by a career in Orwell's Ministry of Truth?[/p][/quote]Your wasting your breath, it always get a personal with UKIP when they run out of a rational response. For what it is worth I am a former police officer and now working in a professional field with a degree in employment law advising and representing scientists, engineers and interacting with some of the largest employers in the UK. Oh, and I have always paid my taxes and national insurance in the UK, how about you cj old boy?[/p][/quote]Looking at all your post i think you must be a nut case. cosmick
  • Score: -2

11:32pm Thu 15 May 14

woodsedge says...

cosmick wrote:
woodsedge wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
woodsedge wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
woodsedge wrote:
Bert Fry wrote:
So 102 comments and I still don't know what UKIP consider to be a local.
And you won't,they make it up as they go along!
Sorry woodsedge you're completely wrong on that one, they're not bright enough to make it up as they go along.
Coming from the pair of self appointed drips, why don't you execute some initiative and brain power and work it out for yourselves it beggars all believe that you expect third parties to feed you the info. By products of the nanny state perhaps?
"coming from the pair ..." Breamoreboy, Bert Fry and woodsedge, that's three old boy not two, can't even get that right! So much anger and still no policy or manifesto. At least the majority of posters on here can see UKIP and their supporters for what they are, ANGRY and rudderless!
Drawing conclusions and making broad sweeping assumptions again? and yes I was specifically referring to Breamoreboy and yourself, it's like the hypocrite bigot dream team what are you both going to do after May 22nd? Don't you have any other websites to troll as your predictable illogical antics and fact less ranting is tiresome.
Well I've stated elsewhere where I did my education. Where did you go, the Dr Goebbels School of Diplomacy? Followed up by a career in Orwell's Ministry of Truth?
Your wasting your breath, it always get a personal with UKIP when they run out of a rational response. For what it is worth I am a former police officer and now working in a professional field with a degree in employment law advising and representing scientists, engineers and interacting with some of the largest employers in the UK. Oh, and I have always paid my taxes and national insurance in the UK, how about you cj old boy?
Looking at all your post i think you must be a nut case.
Says the man who on another thread fell for a redraft of Hitlers 1941 speech stating that he felt it was"good"! Typical UKIP ignorant, uneducated, Faragest retort with nothing to add yo the debate accept for name calling. Please, please campaign for UKIP and knock my door please!
[quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bert Fry[/bold] wrote: So 102 comments and I still don't know what UKIP consider to be a local.[/p][/quote]And you won't,they make it up as they go along![/p][/quote]Sorry woodsedge you're completely wrong on that one, they're not bright enough to make it up as they go along.[/p][/quote]Coming from the pair of self appointed drips, why don't you execute some initiative and brain power and work it out for yourselves it beggars all believe that you expect third parties to feed you the info. By products of the nanny state perhaps?[/p][/quote]"coming from the pair ..." Breamoreboy, Bert Fry and woodsedge, that's three old boy not two, can't even get that right! So much anger and still no policy or manifesto. At least the majority of posters on here can see UKIP and their supporters for what they are, ANGRY and rudderless![/p][/quote]Drawing conclusions and making broad sweeping assumptions again? and yes I was specifically referring to Breamoreboy and yourself, it's like the hypocrite bigot dream team what are you both going to do after May 22nd? Don't you have any other websites to troll as your predictable illogical antics and fact less ranting is tiresome.[/p][/quote]Well I've stated elsewhere where I did my education. Where did you go, the Dr Goebbels School of Diplomacy? Followed up by a career in Orwell's Ministry of Truth?[/p][/quote]Your wasting your breath, it always get a personal with UKIP when they run out of a rational response. For what it is worth I am a former police officer and now working in a professional field with a degree in employment law advising and representing scientists, engineers and interacting with some of the largest employers in the UK. Oh, and I have always paid my taxes and national insurance in the UK, how about you cj old boy?[/p][/quote]Looking at all your post i think you must be a nut case.[/p][/quote]Says the man who on another thread fell for a redraft of Hitlers 1941 speech stating that he felt it was"good"! Typical UKIP ignorant, uneducated, Faragest retort with nothing to add yo the debate accept for name calling. Please, please campaign for UKIP and knock my door please! woodsedge
  • Score: 1

3:35pm Fri 16 May 14

livid99 says...

cj07589 wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
woodsedge wrote:
Bert Fry wrote:
So 102 comments and I still don't know what UKIP consider to be a local.
And you won't,they make it up as they go along!
Sorry woodsedge you're completely wrong on that one, they're not bright enough to make it up as they go along.
Coming from the pair of self appointed drips, why don't you execute some initiative and brain power and work it out for yourselves it beggars all believe that you expect third parties to feed you the info. By products of the nanny state perhaps?
UKIP's website tells us f*** all. Tell me why I should vote for them if they won't say what they stand for ???
I think the bright people are the ones actually trying to find out rather than those attracted by the "lets bash immigrants and leave the EU" line only, and who don't seem to realise or care that UKIP would totally wreck this country if they ever got into power.
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bert Fry[/bold] wrote: So 102 comments and I still don't know what UKIP consider to be a local.[/p][/quote]And you won't,they make it up as they go along![/p][/quote]Sorry woodsedge you're completely wrong on that one, they're not bright enough to make it up as they go along.[/p][/quote]Coming from the pair of self appointed drips, why don't you execute some initiative and brain power and work it out for yourselves it beggars all believe that you expect third parties to feed you the info. By products of the nanny state perhaps?[/p][/quote]UKIP's website tells us f*** all. Tell me why I should vote for them if they won't say what they stand for ??? I think the bright people are the ones actually trying to find out rather than those attracted by the "lets bash immigrants and leave the EU" line only, and who don't seem to realise or care that UKIP would totally wreck this country if they ever got into power. livid99
  • Score: 2

3:39pm Fri 16 May 14

livid99 says...

cosmick wrote:
I wont bother at the moment wasting my time with some of the comments posted after mine.
But because it is law through the E/U that we have to provide sites for travellers, will not mean that you cannot say NO at planning meetings.
Sometimes you have to stand up and be counted.
Do you know how many propertys are empty in WEYMOUTH thjat could be made into homes? Is there any one on the council that knows or cares?
Going out to deliver UKIP posters know and give the local voters a better choice.
If you knock on my door you will be told where to go to remove the newly inserted UKIP leaflet.....
[quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: I wont bother at the moment wasting my time with some of the comments posted after mine. But because it is law through the E/U that we have to provide sites for travellers, will not mean that you cannot say NO at planning meetings. Sometimes you have to stand up and be counted. Do you know how many propertys are empty in WEYMOUTH thjat could be made into homes? Is there any one on the council that knows or cares? Going out to deliver UKIP posters know and give the local voters a better choice.[/p][/quote]If you knock on my door you will be told where to go to remove the newly inserted UKIP leaflet..... livid99
  • Score: 2

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