Campaigner gets council to debate beach access

Clare Sutton

Clare Sutton

First published in News by

A WEYMOUTH mum who launched a petition urging authorities to restore access to a popular beauty spot has won enough support to get a council debate.

Clare Sutton launched a petition calling on Weymouth and Portland Borough Council to work together with Dorset County Council, landowners, businesses and the wider community in order to restore access to Sandsfoot Beach off Old Castle Road.

Access to the area, also known as Castle Cove, was previously provided by a footpath on private land and steps leading down to the beach.

The steps were removed for safety reasons in February 2013 following a landslip last year and the footpath was also declared out of bounds, leaving members of the public without access to the beauty spot.

Miss Sutton’s petition gained more than 1,700 signatures including 250 from pupils at All Saints School.

Now the issue will be debated at the full council meeting next week because under council policy it exceeds the 600-signature threshold needed for a debate.

Miss Sutton stood for the Green Party in the Weymouth West ward in last week’s local elections but the seat was held by the Conservatives.

As well as the debate at the council meeting, which will be at Weymouth Pavilion on June 5 at 7pm, Miss Sutton is also seeking a further meeting with authorities to hammer out the issues.

She said she understands works to restore access would not cost huge amounts because it is believed the path as far as the bridge is stable.

She said: “I fully understand that money is tight but we would be hugely disappointed if the council declines to have an open discussion with all interested parties and investigate all possibilities to see if a cost-effective solution can be reached.”

Weymouth and Portland Borough Council was unavailable to comment.

To support the campaign contact Clare Sutton on 01305 771180 or email clare.sutton@zen.co.uk

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6:58am Tue 27 May 14

bentleyboy says...

Brilliant news ! Well done to Clare Sutton. and the 1,700 people who signed the worthy petition. I hope the Council will now allow public access to this wonderful and tranquil beach again , and reinstate the steps that should never have been removed in the first place, as they have simply made the access route more dangerous for local children. Looking forward to attending the meeting on June 5th.
Brilliant news ! Well done to Clare Sutton. and the 1,700 people who signed the worthy petition. I hope the Council will now allow public access to this wonderful and tranquil beach again , and reinstate the steps that should never have been removed in the first place, as they have simply made the access route more dangerous for local children. Looking forward to attending the meeting on June 5th. bentleyboy
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9:10am Tue 27 May 14

Get a grip says...

Remember this is a private beach.
Remember this is a private beach. Get a grip
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9:17am Tue 27 May 14

Preston North End says...

Get a grip wrote:
Remember this is a private beach.
Yes, there's something fishy about all the foot dragging in reinstating the path. Suspect land owner hoped public would forget they ever had access. They haven't.
[quote][p][bold]Get a grip[/bold] wrote: Remember this is a private beach.[/p][/quote]Yes, there's something fishy about all the foot dragging in reinstating the path. Suspect land owner hoped public would forget they ever had access. They haven't. Preston North End
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9:36am Tue 27 May 14

Get a grip says...

Preston North End wrote:
Get a grip wrote: Remember this is a private beach.
Yes, there's something fishy about all the foot dragging in reinstating the path. Suspect land owner hoped public would forget they ever had access. They haven't.
No I ment Public Money being spent on access to a private beach.
[quote][p][bold]Preston North End[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Get a grip[/bold] wrote: Remember this is a private beach.[/p][/quote]Yes, there's something fishy about all the foot dragging in reinstating the path. Suspect land owner hoped public would forget they ever had access. They haven't.[/p][/quote]No I ment Public Money being spent on access to a private beach. Get a grip
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10:01am Tue 27 May 14

DanWey says...

A similar issue with Redcliffe beach as this is now inaccessible due to the steps being caught in a land slip. Come on Weymouth Council, let us visit our beaches!
A similar issue with Redcliffe beach as this is now inaccessible due to the steps being caught in a land slip. Come on Weymouth Council, let us visit our beaches! DanWey
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10:10am Tue 27 May 14

JoeyJo says...

Preston North End wrote:
Get a grip wrote:
Remember this is a private beach.
Yes, there's something fishy about all the foot dragging in reinstating the path. Suspect land owner hoped public would forget they ever had access. They haven't.
A private beach (above mean high water mark) with public access for which WPBC has responsibility. The landowner has no access either.
[quote][p][bold]Preston North End[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Get a grip[/bold] wrote: Remember this is a private beach.[/p][/quote]Yes, there's something fishy about all the foot dragging in reinstating the path. Suspect land owner hoped public would forget they ever had access. They haven't.[/p][/quote]A private beach (above mean high water mark) with public access for which WPBC has responsibility. The landowner has no access either. JoeyJo
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10:30am Tue 27 May 14

Get a grip says...

JoeyJo wrote:
Preston North End wrote:
Get a grip wrote: Remember this is a private beach.
Yes, there's something fishy about all the foot dragging in reinstating the path. Suspect land owner hoped public would forget they ever had access. They haven't.
A private beach (above mean high water mark) with public access for which WPBC has responsibility. The landowner has no access either.
Portland Port own below mean High Water mark.

So would not the landowner want to sort this matter out and not the ratepayers of weymouth & Portland
[quote][p][bold]JoeyJo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Preston North End[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Get a grip[/bold] wrote: Remember this is a private beach.[/p][/quote]Yes, there's something fishy about all the foot dragging in reinstating the path. Suspect land owner hoped public would forget they ever had access. They haven't.[/p][/quote]A private beach (above mean high water mark) with public access for which WPBC has responsibility. The landowner has no access either.[/p][/quote]Portland Port own below mean High Water mark. So would not the landowner want to sort this matter out and not the ratepayers of weymouth & Portland Get a grip
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11:19am Tue 27 May 14

JamesYoung says...

Get a grip wrote:
JoeyJo wrote:
Preston North End wrote:
Get a grip wrote: Remember this is a private beach.
Yes, there's something fishy about all the foot dragging in reinstating the path. Suspect land owner hoped public would forget they ever had access. They haven't.
A private beach (above mean high water mark) with public access for which WPBC has responsibility. The landowner has no access either.
Portland Port own below mean High Water mark.

So would not the landowner want to sort this matter out and not the ratepayers of weymouth & Portland
The landowner has access down the old boat ramp.
It's important to remember that there is no real benefit from the landowner spending money on this, because he or she doesn't get any financial benefit from people having access.
So why would they spend money on something that is somebody else's responsibility?
I have to say i've very much enjoyed having the beach to myself of late!
[quote][p][bold]Get a grip[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JoeyJo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Preston North End[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Get a grip[/bold] wrote: Remember this is a private beach.[/p][/quote]Yes, there's something fishy about all the foot dragging in reinstating the path. Suspect land owner hoped public would forget they ever had access. They haven't.[/p][/quote]A private beach (above mean high water mark) with public access for which WPBC has responsibility. The landowner has no access either.[/p][/quote]Portland Port own below mean High Water mark. So would not the landowner want to sort this matter out and not the ratepayers of weymouth & Portland[/p][/quote]The landowner has access down the old boat ramp. It's important to remember that there is no real benefit from the landowner spending money on this, because he or she doesn't get any financial benefit from people having access. So why would they spend money on something that is somebody else's responsibility? I have to say i've very much enjoyed having the beach to myself of late! JamesYoung
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11:25am Tue 27 May 14

JoeyJo says...

JamesYoung wrote:
Get a grip wrote:
JoeyJo wrote:
Preston North End wrote:
Get a grip wrote: Remember this is a private beach.
Yes, there's something fishy about all the foot dragging in reinstating the path. Suspect land owner hoped public would forget they ever had access. They haven't.
A private beach (above mean high water mark) with public access for which WPBC has responsibility. The landowner has no access either.
Portland Port own below mean High Water mark.

So would not the landowner want to sort this matter out and not the ratepayers of weymouth & Portland
The landowner has access down the old boat ramp.
It's important to remember that there is no real benefit from the landowner spending money on this, because he or she doesn't get any financial benefit from people having access.
So why would they spend money on something that is somebody else's responsibility?
I have to say i've very much enjoyed having the beach to myself of late!
The landowner only has access down the old boat ramp if he pays the owners who are Commodore's Row. As far as I know this has not been granted but I could be wrong and would welcome any information on this. James, you must be more stable on your pins than I am as I would love to go down. Well done.
[quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Get a grip[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JoeyJo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Preston North End[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Get a grip[/bold] wrote: Remember this is a private beach.[/p][/quote]Yes, there's something fishy about all the foot dragging in reinstating the path. Suspect land owner hoped public would forget they ever had access. They haven't.[/p][/quote]A private beach (above mean high water mark) with public access for which WPBC has responsibility. The landowner has no access either.[/p][/quote]Portland Port own below mean High Water mark. So would not the landowner want to sort this matter out and not the ratepayers of weymouth & Portland[/p][/quote]The landowner has access down the old boat ramp. It's important to remember that there is no real benefit from the landowner spending money on this, because he or she doesn't get any financial benefit from people having access. So why would they spend money on something that is somebody else's responsibility? I have to say i've very much enjoyed having the beach to myself of late![/p][/quote]The landowner only has access down the old boat ramp if he pays the owners who are Commodore's Row. As far as I know this has not been granted but I could be wrong and would welcome any information on this. James, you must be more stable on your pins than I am as I would love to go down. Well done. JoeyJo
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12:32pm Tue 27 May 14

shy talk says...

When Castle Cove Sailing Club was situated on Castle Road, which is now Commodores Row housing. They had an access path to the beach so they could manhandle dinghies on trailers down to the beach. The path is still there and now gated and I assume the land belongs to the house beside the path or Commodores Row.

If safe to use, the Council could approach owner for permission to allow access or offer to buy the land. If so this could be a cheaper option rather then spend thousands of pounds on stabilization of the area.
When Castle Cove Sailing Club was situated on Castle Road, which is now Commodores Row housing. They had an access path to the beach so they could manhandle dinghies on trailers down to the beach. The path is still there and now gated and I assume the land belongs to the house beside the path or Commodores Row. If safe to use, the Council could approach owner for permission to allow access or offer to buy the land. If so this could be a cheaper option rather then spend thousands of pounds on stabilization of the area. shy talk
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12:34pm Tue 27 May 14

Get a grip says...

Has anyone made sure that the Council has the responsiblity to provide access?
Has anyone made sure that the Council has the responsiblity to provide access? Get a grip
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12:37pm Tue 27 May 14

Get a grip says...

Now many years ago there was a little hut selling icream and the like.

Then a few years back boat park was sold by agents Symonds & Sampson, It produced a good income.

That is waht I a talking about.
Now many years ago there was a little hut selling icream and the like. Then a few years back boat park was sold by agents Symonds & Sampson, It produced a good income. That is waht I a talking about. Get a grip
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1:08pm Tue 27 May 14

bentleyboy says...

Access can still be made to the beach , but it is difficult, and requires adequate footwear, and a fairly long walk over rough terrain from the old Underbarn Walk where it has fallen away dramatically. This access route to the Eastern end of the beach would be relatively easy to open, as the path where it joins the beach is still used by many children and locals, but the other route around Sandsfoot Castle end is very precarious, and totally unsuitable to all bar a few brave souls. As at least 1700 people wish the Old Castle Road, access steps to be restored by the Council, it is obvious that something needs to be done, and it will be most interesting to see how they respond to the public meeting. As there is still a safe and easy direct route on the old Sailing Club steps without anything needed to be spent to stabilise them, surely getting permission from the co owners to use these steps is surely still the best and easiest option ?
Access can still be made to the beach , but it is difficult, and requires adequate footwear, and a fairly long walk over rough terrain from the old Underbarn Walk where it has fallen away dramatically. This access route to the Eastern end of the beach would be relatively easy to open, as the path where it joins the beach is still used by many children and locals, but the other route around Sandsfoot Castle end is very precarious, and totally unsuitable to all bar a few brave souls. As at least 1700 people wish the Old Castle Road, access steps to be restored by the Council, it is obvious that something needs to be done, and it will be most interesting to see how they respond to the public meeting. As there is still a safe and easy direct route on the old Sailing Club steps without anything needed to be spent to stabilise them, surely getting permission from the co owners to use these steps is surely still the best and easiest option ? bentleyboy
  • Score: 3

1:21pm Tue 27 May 14

Get a grip says...

Thats what I am talking about
Thats what I am talking about Get a grip
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5:34pm Tue 27 May 14

JamesYoung says...

JoeyJo wrote:
JamesYoung wrote:
Get a grip wrote:
JoeyJo wrote:
Preston North End wrote:
Get a grip wrote: Remember this is a private beach.
Yes, there's something fishy about all the foot dragging in reinstating the path. Suspect land owner hoped public would forget they ever had access. They haven't.
A private beach (above mean high water mark) with public access for which WPBC has responsibility. The landowner has no access either.
Portland Port own below mean High Water mark.

So would not the landowner want to sort this matter out and not the ratepayers of weymouth & Portland
The landowner has access down the old boat ramp.
It's important to remember that there is no real benefit from the landowner spending money on this, because he or she doesn't get any financial benefit from people having access.
So why would they spend money on something that is somebody else's responsibility?
I have to say i've very much enjoyed having the beach to myself of late!
The landowner only has access down the old boat ramp if he pays the owners who are Commodore's Row. As far as I know this has not been granted but I could be wrong and would welcome any information on this. James, you must be more stable on your pins than I am as I would love to go down. Well done.
It seems obviously to me that the safest and best long term plan here is for the council to either (1) agree a way leave with the owners of Commodores Row to allow people access to the beach via the boat ramp or (2) compulsorily purchase said boat ramp. The ramp looks to be pretty immune to landslips, etc, so would be safer for all concerned, plus, it would allow access for people with reduced mobility.
I own a small sailing dinghy, so i sail over. It was just humour :-)
[quote][p][bold]JoeyJo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Get a grip[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JoeyJo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Preston North End[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Get a grip[/bold] wrote: Remember this is a private beach.[/p][/quote]Yes, there's something fishy about all the foot dragging in reinstating the path. Suspect land owner hoped public would forget they ever had access. They haven't.[/p][/quote]A private beach (above mean high water mark) with public access for which WPBC has responsibility. The landowner has no access either.[/p][/quote]Portland Port own below mean High Water mark. So would not the landowner want to sort this matter out and not the ratepayers of weymouth & Portland[/p][/quote]The landowner has access down the old boat ramp. It's important to remember that there is no real benefit from the landowner spending money on this, because he or she doesn't get any financial benefit from people having access. So why would they spend money on something that is somebody else's responsibility? I have to say i've very much enjoyed having the beach to myself of late![/p][/quote]The landowner only has access down the old boat ramp if he pays the owners who are Commodore's Row. As far as I know this has not been granted but I could be wrong and would welcome any information on this. James, you must be more stable on your pins than I am as I would love to go down. Well done.[/p][/quote]It seems obviously to me that the safest and best long term plan here is for the council to either (1) agree a way leave with the owners of Commodores Row to allow people access to the beach via the boat ramp or (2) compulsorily purchase said boat ramp. The ramp looks to be pretty immune to landslips, etc, so would be safer for all concerned, plus, it would allow access for people with reduced mobility. I own a small sailing dinghy, so i sail over. It was just humour :-) JamesYoung
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6:00pm Tue 27 May 14

JoeyJo says...

JamesYoung wrote:
JoeyJo wrote:
JamesYoung wrote:
Get a grip wrote:
JoeyJo wrote:
Preston North End wrote:
Get a grip wrote: Remember this is a private beach.
Yes, there's something fishy about all the foot dragging in reinstating the path. Suspect land owner hoped public would forget they ever had access. They haven't.
A private beach (above mean high water mark) with public access for which WPBC has responsibility. The landowner has no access either.
Portland Port own below mean High Water mark.

So would not the landowner want to sort this matter out and not the ratepayers of weymouth & Portland
The landowner has access down the old boat ramp.
It's important to remember that there is no real benefit from the landowner spending money on this, because he or she doesn't get any financial benefit from people having access.
So why would they spend money on something that is somebody else's responsibility?
I have to say i've very much enjoyed having the beach to myself of late!
The landowner only has access down the old boat ramp if he pays the owners who are Commodore's Row. As far as I know this has not been granted but I could be wrong and would welcome any information on this. James, you must be more stable on your pins than I am as I would love to go down. Well done.
It seems obviously to me that the safest and best long term plan here is for the council to either (1) agree a way leave with the owners of Commodores Row to allow people access to the beach via the boat ramp or (2) compulsorily purchase said boat ramp. The ramp looks to be pretty immune to landslips, etc, so would be safer for all concerned, plus, it would allow access for people with reduced mobility.
I own a small sailing dinghy, so i sail over. It was just humour :-)
This would definitely be the best option and is glaringly obvious. However, when the planning application for Commodore's Row was submitted residents requested that the council, as part of the planning permission, took ownership of the ramp for public use. This would have been a Section 106 developer agreement. I understand that the developer said no and the council did not insist. This was a big mistake and the owners at the moment are refusing access and do not care. It is also worth noting that none of the owners live in the properties as they are all holiday or rental homes.
[quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JoeyJo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Get a grip[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JoeyJo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Preston North End[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Get a grip[/bold] wrote: Remember this is a private beach.[/p][/quote]Yes, there's something fishy about all the foot dragging in reinstating the path. Suspect land owner hoped public would forget they ever had access. They haven't.[/p][/quote]A private beach (above mean high water mark) with public access for which WPBC has responsibility. The landowner has no access either.[/p][/quote]Portland Port own below mean High Water mark. So would not the landowner want to sort this matter out and not the ratepayers of weymouth & Portland[/p][/quote]The landowner has access down the old boat ramp. It's important to remember that there is no real benefit from the landowner spending money on this, because he or she doesn't get any financial benefit from people having access. So why would they spend money on something that is somebody else's responsibility? I have to say i've very much enjoyed having the beach to myself of late![/p][/quote]The landowner only has access down the old boat ramp if he pays the owners who are Commodore's Row. As far as I know this has not been granted but I could be wrong and would welcome any information on this. James, you must be more stable on your pins than I am as I would love to go down. Well done.[/p][/quote]It seems obviously to me that the safest and best long term plan here is for the council to either (1) agree a way leave with the owners of Commodores Row to allow people access to the beach via the boat ramp or (2) compulsorily purchase said boat ramp. The ramp looks to be pretty immune to landslips, etc, so would be safer for all concerned, plus, it would allow access for people with reduced mobility. I own a small sailing dinghy, so i sail over. It was just humour :-)[/p][/quote]This would definitely be the best option and is glaringly obvious. However, when the planning application for Commodore's Row was submitted residents requested that the council, as part of the planning permission, took ownership of the ramp for public use. This would have been a Section 106 developer agreement. I understand that the developer said no and the council did not insist. This was a big mistake and the owners at the moment are refusing access and do not care. It is also worth noting that none of the owners live in the properties as they are all holiday or rental homes. JoeyJo
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6:04pm Tue 27 May 14

koeterwaals says...

Just to clarify as the Echo reporter does not seem to have all the facts:-
Sandsfoot beach and castle cove are two separate beaches. Sandsfoot beach (to the west of Sandsfoot Caste) has always been a public beach that is easy to reach at the end of old castle road, whereas Castle cove (to the east of Sandsfoot castle) is a private beach.
Personally I do not see the point of spending money trying to set up access to a beach that the public might not be able to use (due to access rights )when you can walk an extra few hundred yards to a perfectly good public beach.
Just to clarify as the Echo reporter does not seem to have all the facts:- Sandsfoot beach and castle cove are two separate beaches. Sandsfoot beach (to the west of Sandsfoot Caste) has always been a public beach that is easy to reach at the end of old castle road, whereas Castle cove (to the east of Sandsfoot castle) is a private beach. Personally I do not see the point of spending money trying to set up access to a beach that the public might not be able to use (due to access rights )when you can walk an extra few hundred yards to a perfectly good public beach. koeterwaals
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6:19pm Tue 27 May 14

JoeyJo says...

koeterwaals wrote:
Just to clarify as the Echo reporter does not seem to have all the facts:-
Sandsfoot beach and castle cove are two separate beaches. Sandsfoot beach (to the west of Sandsfoot Caste) has always been a public beach that is easy to reach at the end of old castle road, whereas Castle cove (to the east of Sandsfoot castle) is a private beach.
Personally I do not see the point of spending money trying to set up access to a beach that the public might not be able to use (due to access rights )when you can walk an extra few hundred yards to a perfectly good public beach.
You are right that the two beaches are separate and the Echo always get the name of Castle Cove Beach wrong. However, Sandsfoot Beach is also private, belonging to the sailing club. As with Castle Cove Beach, public access has always been allowed.
[quote][p][bold]koeterwaals[/bold] wrote: Just to clarify as the Echo reporter does not seem to have all the facts:- Sandsfoot beach and castle cove are two separate beaches. Sandsfoot beach (to the west of Sandsfoot Caste) has always been a public beach that is easy to reach at the end of old castle road, whereas Castle cove (to the east of Sandsfoot castle) is a private beach. Personally I do not see the point of spending money trying to set up access to a beach that the public might not be able to use (due to access rights )when you can walk an extra few hundred yards to a perfectly good public beach.[/p][/quote]You are right that the two beaches are separate and the Echo always get the name of Castle Cove Beach wrong. However, Sandsfoot Beach is also private, belonging to the sailing club. As with Castle Cove Beach, public access has always been allowed. JoeyJo
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6:37pm Tue 27 May 14

bentleyboy says...

Sandsfoot beach has virtually been' taken over' by the Sailing Club. It used to be a lovely quiet beach MANY years ago, but Castle Cove beach is and has always been far more attractive, with a far better cove aspect, and now one of the few remaining beaches near Weymouth which has not been over developed and totally ruined. The massive local support shows clearly why it is very important to gain access there again. It was a very good point made earlier about the Section 106 developer agreement grave mistake by the Council, that they did not take ownership of the access ramp for future public use. WHY ? They knew full well about the unstable cliff and landslips there. They also knew all about the residents requests for this access.. Doubtless this error can be rectified in some way if it is raised at the meeting on June 5th.
Sandsfoot beach has virtually been' taken over' by the Sailing Club. It used to be a lovely quiet beach MANY years ago, but Castle Cove beach is and has always been far more attractive, with a far better cove aspect, and now one of the few remaining beaches near Weymouth which has not been over developed and totally ruined. The massive local support shows clearly why it is very important to gain access there again. It was a very good point made earlier about the Section 106 developer agreement grave mistake by the Council, that they did not take ownership of the access ramp for future public use. WHY ? They knew full well about the unstable cliff and landslips there. They also knew all about the residents requests for this access.. Doubtless this error can be rectified in some way if it is raised at the meeting on June 5th. bentleyboy
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6:56pm Tue 27 May 14

koeterwaals says...

JoeyJo wrote:
koeterwaals wrote:
Just to clarify as the Echo reporter does not seem to have all the facts:-
Sandsfoot beach and castle cove are two separate beaches. Sandsfoot beach (to the west of Sandsfoot Caste) has always been a public beach that is easy to reach at the end of old castle road, whereas Castle cove (to the east of Sandsfoot castle) is a private beach.
Personally I do not see the point of spending money trying to set up access to a beach that the public might not be able to use (due to access rights )when you can walk an extra few hundred yards to a perfectly good public beach.
You are right that the two beaches are separate and the Echo always get the name of Castle Cove Beach wrong. However, Sandsfoot Beach is also private, belonging to the sailing club. As with Castle Cove Beach, public access has always been allowed.
Sandsfoot has never been a private beach. I used to go there regularly as a child (a long time before the sailing club moved there).
I remember there was always a sign by castle cove stating that it was private but there has never been such a sign at sandsfoot. The OS map also shows it as being public and not private.
[quote][p][bold]JoeyJo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]koeterwaals[/bold] wrote: Just to clarify as the Echo reporter does not seem to have all the facts:- Sandsfoot beach and castle cove are two separate beaches. Sandsfoot beach (to the west of Sandsfoot Caste) has always been a public beach that is easy to reach at the end of old castle road, whereas Castle cove (to the east of Sandsfoot castle) is a private beach. Personally I do not see the point of spending money trying to set up access to a beach that the public might not be able to use (due to access rights )when you can walk an extra few hundred yards to a perfectly good public beach.[/p][/quote]You are right that the two beaches are separate and the Echo always get the name of Castle Cove Beach wrong. However, Sandsfoot Beach is also private, belonging to the sailing club. As with Castle Cove Beach, public access has always been allowed.[/p][/quote]Sandsfoot has never been a private beach. I used to go there regularly as a child (a long time before the sailing club moved there). I remember there was always a sign by castle cove stating that it was private but there has never been such a sign at sandsfoot. The OS map also shows it as being public and not private. koeterwaals
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6:04am Wed 28 May 14

Genghis says...

koeterwaals wrote:
JoeyJo wrote:
koeterwaals wrote:
Just to clarify as the Echo reporter does not seem to have all the facts:-
Sandsfoot beach and castle cove are two separate beaches. Sandsfoot beach (to the west of Sandsfoot Caste) has always been a public beach that is easy to reach at the end of old castle road, whereas Castle cove (to the east of Sandsfoot castle) is a private beach.
Personally I do not see the point of spending money trying to set up access to a beach that the public might not be able to use (due to access rights )when you can walk an extra few hundred yards to a perfectly good public beach.
You are right that the two beaches are separate and the Echo always get the name of Castle Cove Beach wrong. However, Sandsfoot Beach is also private, belonging to the sailing club. As with Castle Cove Beach, public access has always been allowed.
Sandsfoot has never been a private beach. I used to go there regularly as a child (a long time before the sailing club moved there).
I remember there was always a sign by castle cove stating that it was private but there has never been such a sign at sandsfoot. The OS map also shows it as being public and not private.
The OS Map is precisely that, a map. It does not show title to land. For that you would need to check with the Land Registry, but you would only be able to find out the name of the proprietor if the land in question is registered. You can have access to land, or a beach, but it can still be private.
[quote][p][bold]koeterwaals[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JoeyJo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]koeterwaals[/bold] wrote: Just to clarify as the Echo reporter does not seem to have all the facts:- Sandsfoot beach and castle cove are two separate beaches. Sandsfoot beach (to the west of Sandsfoot Caste) has always been a public beach that is easy to reach at the end of old castle road, whereas Castle cove (to the east of Sandsfoot castle) is a private beach. Personally I do not see the point of spending money trying to set up access to a beach that the public might not be able to use (due to access rights )when you can walk an extra few hundred yards to a perfectly good public beach.[/p][/quote]You are right that the two beaches are separate and the Echo always get the name of Castle Cove Beach wrong. However, Sandsfoot Beach is also private, belonging to the sailing club. As with Castle Cove Beach, public access has always been allowed.[/p][/quote]Sandsfoot has never been a private beach. I used to go there regularly as a child (a long time before the sailing club moved there). I remember there was always a sign by castle cove stating that it was private but there has never been such a sign at sandsfoot. The OS map also shows it as being public and not private.[/p][/quote]The OS Map is precisely that, a map. It does not show title to land. For that you would need to check with the Land Registry, but you would only be able to find out the name of the proprietor if the land in question is registered. You can have access to land, or a beach, but it can still be private. Genghis
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9:31am Wed 28 May 14

JoeyJo says...

koeterwaals wrote:
JoeyJo wrote:
koeterwaals wrote:
Just to clarify as the Echo reporter does not seem to have all the facts:-
Sandsfoot beach and castle cove are two separate beaches. Sandsfoot beach (to the west of Sandsfoot Caste) has always been a public beach that is easy to reach at the end of old castle road, whereas Castle cove (to the east of Sandsfoot castle) is a private beach.
Personally I do not see the point of spending money trying to set up access to a beach that the public might not be able to use (due to access rights )when you can walk an extra few hundred yards to a perfectly good public beach.
You are right that the two beaches are separate and the Echo always get the name of Castle Cove Beach wrong. However, Sandsfoot Beach is also private, belonging to the sailing club. As with Castle Cove Beach, public access has always been allowed.
Sandsfoot has never been a private beach. I used to go there regularly as a child (a long time before the sailing club moved there).
I remember there was always a sign by castle cove stating that it was private but there has never been such a sign at sandsfoot. The OS map also shows it as being public and not private.
I have looked at the OS map and can see no difference between the two beaches. Please can you explain why you think the map shows one as public and the other as private? Thank you.
[quote][p][bold]koeterwaals[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JoeyJo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]koeterwaals[/bold] wrote: Just to clarify as the Echo reporter does not seem to have all the facts:- Sandsfoot beach and castle cove are two separate beaches. Sandsfoot beach (to the west of Sandsfoot Caste) has always been a public beach that is easy to reach at the end of old castle road, whereas Castle cove (to the east of Sandsfoot castle) is a private beach. Personally I do not see the point of spending money trying to set up access to a beach that the public might not be able to use (due to access rights )when you can walk an extra few hundred yards to a perfectly good public beach.[/p][/quote]You are right that the two beaches are separate and the Echo always get the name of Castle Cove Beach wrong. However, Sandsfoot Beach is also private, belonging to the sailing club. As with Castle Cove Beach, public access has always been allowed.[/p][/quote]Sandsfoot has never been a private beach. I used to go there regularly as a child (a long time before the sailing club moved there). I remember there was always a sign by castle cove stating that it was private but there has never been such a sign at sandsfoot. The OS map also shows it as being public and not private.[/p][/quote]I have looked at the OS map and can see no difference between the two beaches. Please can you explain why you think the map shows one as public and the other as private? Thank you. JoeyJo
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9:55am Wed 28 May 14

koeterwaals says...

JoeyJo wrote:
koeterwaals wrote:
JoeyJo wrote:
koeterwaals wrote:
Just to clarify as the Echo reporter does not seem to have all the facts:-
Sandsfoot beach and castle cove are two separate beaches. Sandsfoot beach (to the west of Sandsfoot Caste) has always been a public beach that is easy to reach at the end of old castle road, whereas Castle cove (to the east of Sandsfoot castle) is a private beach.
Personally I do not see the point of spending money trying to set up access to a beach that the public might not be able to use (due to access rights )when you can walk an extra few hundred yards to a perfectly good public beach.
You are right that the two beaches are separate and the Echo always get the name of Castle Cove Beach wrong. However, Sandsfoot Beach is also private, belonging to the sailing club. As with Castle Cove Beach, public access has always been allowed.
Sandsfoot has never been a private beach. I used to go there regularly as a child (a long time before the sailing club moved there).
I remember there was always a sign by castle cove stating that it was private but there has never been such a sign at sandsfoot. The OS map also shows it as being public and not private.
I have looked at the OS map and can see no difference between the two beaches. Please can you explain why you think the map shows one as public and the other as private? Thank you.
Sandsfoot beach is tan coloured on the OS map whereas castle cove is not.
[quote][p][bold]JoeyJo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]koeterwaals[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JoeyJo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]koeterwaals[/bold] wrote: Just to clarify as the Echo reporter does not seem to have all the facts:- Sandsfoot beach and castle cove are two separate beaches. Sandsfoot beach (to the west of Sandsfoot Caste) has always been a public beach that is easy to reach at the end of old castle road, whereas Castle cove (to the east of Sandsfoot castle) is a private beach. Personally I do not see the point of spending money trying to set up access to a beach that the public might not be able to use (due to access rights )when you can walk an extra few hundred yards to a perfectly good public beach.[/p][/quote]You are right that the two beaches are separate and the Echo always get the name of Castle Cove Beach wrong. However, Sandsfoot Beach is also private, belonging to the sailing club. As with Castle Cove Beach, public access has always been allowed.[/p][/quote]Sandsfoot has never been a private beach. I used to go there regularly as a child (a long time before the sailing club moved there). I remember there was always a sign by castle cove stating that it was private but there has never been such a sign at sandsfoot. The OS map also shows it as being public and not private.[/p][/quote]I have looked at the OS map and can see no difference between the two beaches. Please can you explain why you think the map shows one as public and the other as private? Thank you.[/p][/quote]Sandsfoot beach is tan coloured on the OS map whereas castle cove is not. koeterwaals
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11:34am Wed 28 May 14

CaughtJester says...

bentleyboy wrote:
Access can still be made to the beach , but it is difficult, and requires adequate footwear, and a fairly long walk over rough terrain from the old Underbarn Walk where it has fallen away dramatically. This access route to the Eastern end of the beach would be relatively easy to open, as the path where it joins the beach is still used by many children and locals, but the other route around Sandsfoot Castle end is very precarious, and totally unsuitable to all bar a few brave souls. As at least 1700 people wish the Old Castle Road, access steps to be restored by the Council, it is obvious that something needs to be done, and it will be most interesting to see how they respond to the public meeting. As there is still a safe and easy direct route on the old Sailing Club steps without anything needed to be spent to stabilise them, surely getting permission from the co owners to use these steps is surely still the best and easiest option ?
The Borough Council had a responsibility to maintain access to the beach only in as far as that around the very edge ran a public footpath. Owing to the continued instability of the over-arching cliffs, there remains a closure order on that footpath and the public is discouraged from using it.

Like many others, I have enjoyed using this beach and wish that it were still accessible. However, simply because 1700 people wish for something to be so does not automatically mean the Borough Council (which serves around 60,000 people) should prioritise it. There's very little money to go around and many more issues of concern.
[quote][p][bold]bentleyboy[/bold] wrote: Access can still be made to the beach , but it is difficult, and requires adequate footwear, and a fairly long walk over rough terrain from the old Underbarn Walk where it has fallen away dramatically. This access route to the Eastern end of the beach would be relatively easy to open, as the path where it joins the beach is still used by many children and locals, but the other route around Sandsfoot Castle end is very precarious, and totally unsuitable to all bar a few brave souls. As at least 1700 people wish the Old Castle Road, access steps to be restored by the Council, it is obvious that something needs to be done, and it will be most interesting to see how they respond to the public meeting. As there is still a safe and easy direct route on the old Sailing Club steps without anything needed to be spent to stabilise them, surely getting permission from the co owners to use these steps is surely still the best and easiest option ?[/p][/quote]The Borough Council had a responsibility to maintain access to the beach only in as far as that around the very edge ran a public footpath. Owing to the continued instability of the over-arching cliffs, there remains a closure order on that footpath and the public is discouraged from using it. Like many others, I have enjoyed using this beach and wish that it were still accessible. However, simply because 1700 people wish for something to be so does not automatically mean the Borough Council (which serves around 60,000 people) should prioritise it. There's very little money to go around and many more issues of concern. CaughtJester
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11:41am Wed 28 May 14

CaughtJester says...

JamesYoung wrote:
JoeyJo wrote:
JamesYoung wrote:
Get a grip wrote:
JoeyJo wrote:
Preston North End wrote:
Get a grip wrote: Remember this is a private beach.
Yes, there's something fishy about all the foot dragging in reinstating the path. Suspect land owner hoped public would forget they ever had access. They haven't.
A private beach (above mean high water mark) with public access for which WPBC has responsibility. The landowner has no access either.
Portland Port own below mean High Water mark.

So would not the landowner want to sort this matter out and not the ratepayers of weymouth & Portland
The landowner has access down the old boat ramp.
It's important to remember that there is no real benefit from the landowner spending money on this, because he or she doesn't get any financial benefit from people having access.
So why would they spend money on something that is somebody else's responsibility?
I have to say i've very much enjoyed having the beach to myself of late!
The landowner only has access down the old boat ramp if he pays the owners who are Commodore's Row. As far as I know this has not been granted but I could be wrong and would welcome any information on this. James, you must be more stable on your pins than I am as I would love to go down. Well done.
It seems obviously to me that the safest and best long term plan here is for the council to either (1) agree a way leave with the owners of Commodores Row to allow people access to the beach via the boat ramp or (2) compulsorily purchase said boat ramp. The ramp looks to be pretty immune to landslips, etc, so would be safer for all concerned, plus, it would allow access for people with reduced mobility.
I own a small sailing dinghy, so i sail over. It was just humour :-)
This is indeed the most sensible option and, supposing it is found that the Borough Council should be in the business of providing public access to private land, one that will likely be pursued with more vigour. However, my understanding is that thus far the owners of Commodore's Row have been unwilling to enter into negotiations on this, presumably for the same reasons that, at most every PACT meeting when the beach was accessible, neighbouring residents would present with complaints of anti-social behaviour, noise and other irritations stemming from night-time use of the beach.
[quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JoeyJo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Get a grip[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JoeyJo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Preston North End[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Get a grip[/bold] wrote: Remember this is a private beach.[/p][/quote]Yes, there's something fishy about all the foot dragging in reinstating the path. Suspect land owner hoped public would forget they ever had access. They haven't.[/p][/quote]A private beach (above mean high water mark) with public access for which WPBC has responsibility. The landowner has no access either.[/p][/quote]Portland Port own below mean High Water mark. So would not the landowner want to sort this matter out and not the ratepayers of weymouth & Portland[/p][/quote]The landowner has access down the old boat ramp. It's important to remember that there is no real benefit from the landowner spending money on this, because he or she doesn't get any financial benefit from people having access. So why would they spend money on something that is somebody else's responsibility? I have to say i've very much enjoyed having the beach to myself of late![/p][/quote]The landowner only has access down the old boat ramp if he pays the owners who are Commodore's Row. As far as I know this has not been granted but I could be wrong and would welcome any information on this. James, you must be more stable on your pins than I am as I would love to go down. Well done.[/p][/quote]It seems obviously to me that the safest and best long term plan here is for the council to either (1) agree a way leave with the owners of Commodores Row to allow people access to the beach via the boat ramp or (2) compulsorily purchase said boat ramp. The ramp looks to be pretty immune to landslips, etc, so would be safer for all concerned, plus, it would allow access for people with reduced mobility. I own a small sailing dinghy, so i sail over. It was just humour :-)[/p][/quote]This is indeed the most sensible option and, supposing it is found that the Borough Council should be in the business of providing public access to private land, one that will likely be pursued with more vigour. However, my understanding is that thus far the owners of Commodore's Row have been unwilling to enter into negotiations on this, presumably for the same reasons that, at most every PACT meeting when the beach was accessible, neighbouring residents would present with complaints of anti-social behaviour, noise and other irritations stemming from night-time use of the beach. CaughtJester
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