Hopes fade for future of Condor service in Weymouth

BLOW: Condor ferries could be leaving Weymouth

BLOW: Condor ferries could be leaving Weymouth

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HOPES are fading for Weymouth to secure Condor Ferries’ services.

It comes as the company confirmed it would be buying a larger and faster super-ferry to replace its existing vessels after being given the green light to apply for a long-term operating licence to sail from the UK to the Channel Islands.

It is a major development for the company which has been locked in discussions with the States of Jersey and Guernsey for a year on how services can best meet the islands’ needs. Confidence in the future is allowing Condor to now move on purchasing the Austal 102, a 102-metre trimaran, capable of taking 245 cars and between 950 and 1,165 passengers.

Condor hopes to bring the vessel into service next spring.

The possibility of it operating from Poole instead of Weymouth is becoming more likely.Condor has said it wants to stay in Weymouth but berth 1 near the Stone Pier – the only suitable place for it to go – will have to be upgraded to accommodate the larger ferry at a cost of £10m – money Weymouth and Portland Borough Council doesn’t have.

Attempts at securing financial support directly from the government and through a Local Enterprise Partnership bid have both failed. Most of the LEP funding for Dorset announced last week is going to east Dorset – including the Port of Poole.

Borough council spokesman for Corporate Affairs and Continuous Improvement Mike Byatt said the authority’s position hadn’t changed and it was unable to make any financial contribution to the works, although it would continue to investigate funding through the LEP as part of an overall town centre masterplan.

Cllr Byatt said he was ‘delighted’ Condor had resolved issues regarding the Channel Islands and its new vessel, and that discussions would continue over the implications for Weymouth.

He added: “Condor Ferries may be able to identify some money in their business plan for work on Weymouth harbour walls.

“We are not in a position to bring forward any capital.”

South Dorset MP Richard Drax, who set up a meeting to try and secure government funds, said: “I think everyone hopes the ferry service will be retained for the sake of the economy, tourism, and the historic significance of having a link with the Channel Islands.

“But if £10 million can’t be found there’s going to be a problem and regrettably the ferry will go elsewhere, presumably to Poole.

“If it does go the council may well fight on to see if a berth can be provided in future.”

Alistair Clarke from Weymouth Business Improvement District (BID) said: “It would be a blow for Weymouth if Condor left.”

Applying for new licence

CONDOR Ferries said it would be applying for a new long-term licence (10 years) to operate ferries to and from the Channel Islands following an announcement by officials in the Islands.

In addition, Condor will introduce the Islands’ Economic and Community Investment Programme (IECIP).

The proposed new licence allows for a competitor operator to enter the market so long as it matches the ‘full service’ of sailings which Condor offers, on a level playing field.

The certainty which the new licence arrangements offer will enable Condor to confirm its purchase of the Austal 102.

Condor chief executive James Fulford said: “The 102 will offer increased reliability, capacity and comfort.”

He added: “We have not asked our Islands, or anyone else, for a subsidy for this purchase. However, in order to make this significant investment, we have always said we need the certainty of a new operating licence.

“I am delighted that we are a step closer to achieving that certainty and investing in a new ship which will secure the future of high speed ferry services for our Islands.”

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6:58am Wed 16 Jul 14

PHonnor says...

As had been mentioned many times elsewhere that Condor would prefer to run from Weymouth because of cheaper fuel cost and quicker journey time then call their bluff, let them go and take the financial hit of extra costs for fuel and funding the new ferry. It seems they are holding the borough over a barrel and I'm sure residents would want their councillors to stand up to this, risky, yes but maybe only after a time away Condor will decide to make a contribution.
As had been mentioned many times elsewhere that Condor would prefer to run from Weymouth because of cheaper fuel cost and quicker journey time then call their bluff, let them go and take the financial hit of extra costs for fuel and funding the new ferry. It seems they are holding the borough over a barrel and I'm sure residents would want their councillors to stand up to this, risky, yes but maybe only after a time away Condor will decide to make a contribution. PHonnor
  • Score: 25

7:05am Wed 16 Jul 14

MrTomSmith says...

Its the 245 cars bit that worries me. Its far too many.
Its the 245 cars bit that worries me. Its far too many. MrTomSmith
  • Score: -16

7:50am Wed 16 Jul 14

FerryFan says...

Would fares be raised to cover costs if they do run from Poole, they would then recoup the costs, If they do operated from Poole it will be their second choice, not first choice, and if the second choice is due to costs, then they could work out ways of offsetting?
Would fares be raised to cover costs if they do run from Poole, they would then recoup the costs, If they do operated from Poole it will be their second choice, not first choice, and if the second choice is due to costs, then they could work out ways of offsetting? FerryFan
  • Score: 9

7:55am Wed 16 Jul 14

FerryFan says...

The amount of cars carried by these ships, the Benchijigua Express carries 341 cars and 1350 pax, so this trimaran is la lot less.
The amount of cars carried by these ships, the Benchijigua Express carries 341 cars and 1350 pax, so this trimaran is la lot less. FerryFan
  • Score: 7

8:09am Wed 16 Jul 14

MrTomSmith says...

FerryFan wrote:
The amount of cars carried by these ships, the Benchijigua Express carries 341 cars and 1350 pax, so this trimaran is la lot less.
That's got nothing to do with it, it's about this one that's coming here. Absolutely nothing to do with this whatsoever. I could look up all sorts of Ferries and tell you the capacity. It does not have any reflection on 245 cars driving into an area we are considering making pedestrianised.
[quote][p][bold]FerryFan[/bold] wrote: The amount of cars carried by these ships, the Benchijigua Express carries 341 cars and 1350 pax, so this trimaran is la lot less.[/p][/quote]That's got nothing to do with it, it's about this one that's coming here. Absolutely nothing to do with this whatsoever. I could look up all sorts of Ferries and tell you the capacity. It does not have any reflection on 245 cars driving into an area we are considering making pedestrianised. MrTomSmith
  • Score: -5

8:12am Wed 16 Jul 14

arlbergbahn says...

"He added: “We have not asked our Islands, or anyone else, for a subsidy for this purchase. However, in order to make this significant investment, we have always said we need the certainty of a new operating licence."
But they are asking for a subsidy from Weymouth, though, aren't they. That's what it is isn't it, they want this berth "upgrade" (i.e. a completely new one) purely and exclusively for their own use, but they expect someone else to pay for it. What's that if not a subsidy?
"He added: “We have not asked our Islands, or anyone else, for a subsidy for this purchase. However, in order to make this significant investment, we have always said we need the certainty of a new operating licence." But they are asking for a subsidy from Weymouth, though, aren't they. That's what it is isn't it, they want this berth "upgrade" (i.e. a completely new one) purely and exclusively for their own use, but they expect someone else to pay for it. What's that if not a subsidy? arlbergbahn
  • Score: 20

8:30am Wed 16 Jul 14

Phaedrus says...

Condor would contribute to costs of the berth upgrade through increased fees, there might perhaps be some room for a deal on that?
If Condor contributes as much to the local economy as everyone says then £10M would be a good investment for Weymouth, but understandably the borough cannot find the money on that basis.
If Condor cease to operate from Weymouth that will leave a good business opportunity for someone.
Condor would contribute to costs of the berth upgrade through increased fees, there might perhaps be some room for a deal on that? If Condor contributes as much to the local economy as everyone says then £10M would be a good investment for Weymouth, but understandably the borough cannot find the money on that basis. If Condor cease to operate from Weymouth that will leave a good business opportunity for someone. Phaedrus
  • Score: 10

8:38am Wed 16 Jul 14

Get a grip says...

So far we have spent £4 million on one berth.

How is this money to be recouped?
So far we have spent £4 million on one berth. How is this money to be recouped? Get a grip
  • Score: 14

8:45am Wed 16 Jul 14

cosmick says...

You can say what you like the councillors are to blame, they agree to cuts cuts cuts, with out any thought of the future the blame is at there door, and yours for voting them in.
You can say what you like the councillors are to blame, they agree to cuts cuts cuts, with out any thought of the future the blame is at there door, and yours for voting them in. cosmick
  • Score: 4

8:49am Wed 16 Jul 14

PHonnor says...

Get a grip wrote:
So far we have spent £4 million on one berth. How is this money to be recouped?
by the looks of it spending another 10 million the borough doesnt have!
[quote][p][bold]Get a grip[/bold] wrote: So far we have spent £4 million on one berth. How is this money to be recouped?[/p][/quote]by the looks of it spending another 10 million the borough doesnt have! PHonnor
  • Score: 5

9:19am Wed 16 Jul 14

iansedwell says...

Is there no scope for funding from the EU under the European Regional Development Fund?

The ERDF was set up following largely British and Italian pressure and this would seem to be the sort of project in the sort of region it was intended to assist.
Is there no scope for funding from the EU under the European Regional Development Fund? The ERDF was set up following largely British and Italian pressure and this would seem to be the sort of project in the sort of region it was intended to assist. iansedwell
  • Score: 1

9:25am Wed 16 Jul 14

aderumbold says...

The council only have them selves to blame....Spent millions on that shower known as the Olympics but didn't think of the town in the long term!!
The council only have them selves to blame....Spent millions on that shower known as the Olympics but didn't think of the town in the long term!! aderumbold
  • Score: 12

9:36am Wed 16 Jul 14

OutofDorset says...

aderumbold wrote:
The council only have them selves to blame....Spent millions on that shower known as the Olympics but didn't think of the town in the long term!!
That is the crux of the problem, never a long term vision, always lurching from one crisis to the next!
[quote][p][bold]aderumbold[/bold] wrote: The council only have them selves to blame....Spent millions on that shower known as the Olympics but didn't think of the town in the long term!![/p][/quote]That is the crux of the problem, never a long term vision, always lurching from one crisis to the next! OutofDorset
  • Score: 13

10:05am Wed 16 Jul 14

Caption Sensible says...

aderumbold wrote:
The council only have them selves to blame....Spent millions on that shower known as the Olympics but didn't think of the town in the long term!!
I think you will find Dorset County Council spent the vast majority of the Olympic funds that were available. They were also responsible for the 'traffic improvements' and 'travel advice'.

W&PBC are impotent in a political sense and it is going to get worse once they (us) are consumed by WDDC, hence Dorchester.

Weymouth and its environ needs to go full-blown unitary authority and start again with bright minds at the helm.
[quote][p][bold]aderumbold[/bold] wrote: The council only have them selves to blame....Spent millions on that shower known as the Olympics but didn't think of the town in the long term!![/p][/quote]I think you will find Dorset County Council spent the vast majority of the Olympic funds that were available. They were also responsible for the 'traffic improvements' and 'travel advice'. W&PBC are impotent in a political sense and it is going to get worse once they (us) are consumed by WDDC, hence Dorchester. Weymouth and its environ needs to go full-blown unitary authority and start again with bright minds at the helm. Caption Sensible
  • Score: 6

10:05am Wed 16 Jul 14

banknote says...

During the fiasco of the rebuilding of the quay, did no-one think of asking Condor of their future plans and equipment?

When jet travel commenced in the 1960's, the airports increased their runway lengths and recouped the cost in revised landing fees. Surely Weymouth & Portland Borough Council should have thought on the same lines regarding the harbour?

Once again the council have been caught out and the never ending saga of inefficiency continues.
During the fiasco of the rebuilding of the quay, did no-one think of asking Condor of their future plans and equipment? When jet travel commenced in the 1960's, the airports increased their runway lengths and recouped the cost in revised landing fees. Surely Weymouth & Portland Borough Council should have thought on the same lines regarding the harbour? Once again the council have been caught out and the never ending saga of inefficiency continues. banknote
  • Score: 12

10:12am Wed 16 Jul 14

FerryFan says...

MrTomSmith wrote:
FerryFan wrote:
The amount of cars carried by these ships, the Benchijigua Express carries 341 cars and 1350 pax, so this trimaran is la lot less.
That's got nothing to do with it, it's about this one that's coming here. Absolutely nothing to do with this whatsoever. I could look up all sorts of Ferries and tell you the capacity. It does not have any reflection on 245 cars driving into an area we are considering making pedestrianised.
Whatever.....
[quote][p][bold]MrTomSmith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FerryFan[/bold] wrote: The amount of cars carried by these ships, the Benchijigua Express carries 341 cars and 1350 pax, so this trimaran is la lot less.[/p][/quote]That's got nothing to do with it, it's about this one that's coming here. Absolutely nothing to do with this whatsoever. I could look up all sorts of Ferries and tell you the capacity. It does not have any reflection on 245 cars driving into an area we are considering making pedestrianised.[/p][/quote]Whatever..... FerryFan
  • Score: -4

10:51am Wed 16 Jul 14

Parkstreetshufle says...

Get a grip wrote:
So far we have spent £4 million on one berth.

How is this money to be recouped?
What you are suggesting is that by spending more money we will be able to recoup more cost.
Its a false economy unless Condor will guarantee income which they absolutely do not want to do.
It seems to me that Condor need us a lot more than we need them...the amount of wealth in the channel islands is absolutely staggering - yet their principal means of transport with a vehicle ( and lets not pretend they don't all drive very expensive cars ) is looking for funds.
Im willing to bet the funds mysteriously appear.
[quote][p][bold]Get a grip[/bold] wrote: So far we have spent £4 million on one berth. How is this money to be recouped?[/p][/quote]What you are suggesting is that by spending more money we will be able to recoup more cost. Its a false economy unless Condor will guarantee income which they absolutely do not want to do. It seems to me that Condor need us a lot more than we need them...the amount of wealth in the channel islands is absolutely staggering - yet their principal means of transport with a vehicle ( and lets not pretend they don't all drive very expensive cars ) is looking for funds. Im willing to bet the funds mysteriously appear. Parkstreetshufle
  • Score: 0

10:58am Wed 16 Jul 14

Bob Goulding says...

PHonnor wrote:
As had been mentioned many times elsewhere that Condor would prefer to run from Weymouth because of cheaper fuel cost and quicker journey time then call their bluff, let them go and take the financial hit of extra costs for fuel and funding the new ferry. It seems they are holding the borough over a barrel and I'm sure residents would want their councillors to stand up to this, risky, yes but maybe only after a time away Condor will decide to make a contribution.
You will not be surprised to know that I agree with you completely. In effect, what Condor is asking W&PBC to do is invest in their business and, as such, it would be entirely reasonable to expect Condor to disclose their business plans (I'm sure the investors in the Austal 102 have required them to do so). Even if W&PBC could raise the finance it would be prudent to ensure that Condor's 10 year plan is realistic before committing the funds otherwise we could end up with another Berth Three fiasco a couple of years down the line. If Condor are really prepared to throw millions of pounds down the drain to avoid paying a reasonable contribution towards the new facilities at Berth One then I am glad none of my money is invested in the Austal 102.
[quote][p][bold]PHonnor[/bold] wrote: As had been mentioned many times elsewhere that Condor would prefer to run from Weymouth because of cheaper fuel cost and quicker journey time then call their bluff, let them go and take the financial hit of extra costs for fuel and funding the new ferry. It seems they are holding the borough over a barrel and I'm sure residents would want their councillors to stand up to this, risky, yes but maybe only after a time away Condor will decide to make a contribution.[/p][/quote]You will not be surprised to know that I agree with you completely. In effect, what Condor is asking W&PBC to do is invest in their business and, as such, it would be entirely reasonable to expect Condor to disclose their business plans (I'm sure the investors in the Austal 102 have required them to do so). Even if W&PBC could raise the finance it would be prudent to ensure that Condor's 10 year plan is realistic before committing the funds otherwise we could end up with another Berth Three fiasco a couple of years down the line. If Condor are really prepared to throw millions of pounds down the drain to avoid paying a reasonable contribution towards the new facilities at Berth One then I am glad none of my money is invested in the Austal 102. Bob Goulding
  • Score: 13

12:27pm Wed 16 Jul 14

Douglas Mc says...

Caption Sensible wrote:
aderumbold wrote:
The council only have them selves to blame....Spent millions on that shower known as the Olympics but didn't think of the town in the long term!!
I think you will find Dorset County Council spent the vast majority of the Olympic funds that were available. They were also responsible for the 'traffic improvements' and 'travel advice'.

W&PBC are impotent in a political sense and it is going to get worse once they (us) are consumed by WDDC, hence Dorchester.

Weymouth and its environ needs to go full-blown unitary authority and start again with bright minds at the helm.
All the staff working for W&P and WDDC are employed by W&PBC (not WDDC). A DCC wide Unitary Authority might be a long term goal/cost saving measure.

However, neither of these issues impact on the current Condor Weymouth berth problem which of course could be financed by the Council Tax payer over some 10 years at some £50 per household each year. But should the CT payer meet the cost when the benefits go to the tourism industry which many feel only offers low pay and often seasonal positions?
[quote][p][bold]Caption Sensible[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aderumbold[/bold] wrote: The council only have them selves to blame....Spent millions on that shower known as the Olympics but didn't think of the town in the long term!![/p][/quote]I think you will find Dorset County Council spent the vast majority of the Olympic funds that were available. They were also responsible for the 'traffic improvements' and 'travel advice'. W&PBC are impotent in a political sense and it is going to get worse once they (us) are consumed by WDDC, hence Dorchester. Weymouth and its environ needs to go full-blown unitary authority and start again with bright minds at the helm.[/p][/quote]All the staff working for W&P and WDDC are employed by W&PBC (not WDDC). A DCC wide Unitary Authority might be a long term goal/cost saving measure. However, neither of these issues impact on the current Condor Weymouth berth problem which of course could be financed by the Council Tax payer over some 10 years at some £50 per household each year. But should the CT payer meet the cost when the benefits go to the tourism industry which many feel only offers low pay and often seasonal positions? Douglas Mc
  • Score: 10

12:44pm Wed 16 Jul 14

Douglas Mc says...

cosmick wrote:
You can say what you like the councillors are to blame, they agree to cuts cuts cuts, with out any thought of the future the blame is at there door, and yours for voting them in.
A trifle unfair. More elderly to pay for in care homes, higher fuel costs collecting refuse etc coupled with less income. Now if the Council Tax payer was willing to pay more there would be less cuts - but that is not likely to happen.

Is Weymouth's problem that it is tarred with a low cost tourism image? As a result we may not be attracting as many quality employers as we should that would provide higher paid posts to encourage some of our educated children to stay here.

Tourism has cost implications to the Council but do the Council coffers receive the benefit. We could be doing better?
[quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: You can say what you like the councillors are to blame, they agree to cuts cuts cuts, with out any thought of the future the blame is at there door, and yours for voting them in.[/p][/quote]A trifle unfair. More elderly to pay for in care homes, higher fuel costs collecting refuse etc coupled with less income. Now if the Council Tax payer was willing to pay more there would be less cuts - but that is not likely to happen. Is Weymouth's problem that it is tarred with a low cost tourism image? As a result we may not be attracting as many quality employers as we should that would provide higher paid posts to encourage some of our educated children to stay here. Tourism has cost implications to the Council but do the Council coffers receive the benefit. We could be doing better? Douglas Mc
  • Score: 7

1:28pm Wed 16 Jul 14

sjc100 says...

Get a grip wrote:
So far we have spent £4 million on one berth.

How is this money to be recouped?
they do pay alot in mooring fees every year
[quote][p][bold]Get a grip[/bold] wrote: So far we have spent £4 million on one berth. How is this money to be recouped?[/p][/quote]they do pay alot in mooring fees every year sjc100
  • Score: 1

4:11pm Wed 16 Jul 14

mikie4100 says...

Don't do it!!

Don't spend any more money on them.

Every few years or so of the last 25 that I know of, Condor tell Weymouth Council that they're pulling out. Weymouth council panic and offer them all sots of packages to stay. The last time was a couple of years ago when the harbour wall was crumbling and cost £4m to repair. The cause? The side thrusters of Condor's ferry!!

I also don't see much evidence that Condor passengers contribute much to the local economy. They arrive just in time to board and, judging by the Jersey number plates exiting the ridgeway within 30 minutes of docking, they don't even stop for a McDonalds!

The Esplanade will be freed up once again for locals, who do spend money in the town, to get home in time for tea!!
Don't do it!! Don't spend any more money on them. Every few years or so of the last 25 that I know of, Condor tell Weymouth Council that they're pulling out. Weymouth council panic and offer them all sots of packages to stay. The last time was a couple of years ago when the harbour wall was crumbling and cost £4m to repair. The cause? The side thrusters of Condor's ferry!! I also don't see much evidence that Condor passengers contribute much to the local economy. They arrive just in time to board and, judging by the Jersey number plates exiting the ridgeway within 30 minutes of docking, they don't even stop for a McDonalds! The Esplanade will be freed up once again for locals, who do spend money in the town, to get home in time for tea!! mikie4100
  • Score: 12

4:37pm Wed 16 Jul 14

Get a grip says...

Parkstreetshufle wrote:
Get a grip wrote:
So far we have spent £4 million on one berth.

How is this money to be recouped?
What you are suggesting is that by spending more money we will be able to recoup more cost.
Its a false economy unless Condor will guarantee income which they absolutely do not want to do.
It seems to me that Condor need us a lot more than we need them...the amount of wealth in the channel islands is absolutely staggering - yet their principal means of transport with a vehicle ( and lets not pretend they don't all drive very expensive cars ) is looking for funds.
Im willing to bet the funds mysteriously appear.
No you have me wrong I am saying that the £4 million has in large measure been wasted as we will never see a return on capital employed
[quote][p][bold]Parkstreetshufle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Get a grip[/bold] wrote: So far we have spent £4 million on one berth. How is this money to be recouped?[/p][/quote]What you are suggesting is that by spending more money we will be able to recoup more cost. Its a false economy unless Condor will guarantee income which they absolutely do not want to do. It seems to me that Condor need us a lot more than we need them...the amount of wealth in the channel islands is absolutely staggering - yet their principal means of transport with a vehicle ( and lets not pretend they don't all drive very expensive cars ) is looking for funds. Im willing to bet the funds mysteriously appear.[/p][/quote]No you have me wrong I am saying that the £4 million has in large measure been wasted as we will never see a return on capital employed Get a grip
  • Score: 3

4:37pm Wed 16 Jul 14

Get a grip says...

Parkstreetshufle wrote:
Get a grip wrote:
So far we have spent £4 million on one berth.

How is this money to be recouped?
What you are suggesting is that by spending more money we will be able to recoup more cost.
Its a false economy unless Condor will guarantee income which they absolutely do not want to do.
It seems to me that Condor need us a lot more than we need them...the amount of wealth in the channel islands is absolutely staggering - yet their principal means of transport with a vehicle ( and lets not pretend they don't all drive very expensive cars ) is looking for funds.
Im willing to bet the funds mysteriously appear.
No you have me wrong I am saying that the £4 million has in large measure been wasted as we will never see a return on capital employed
[quote][p][bold]Parkstreetshufle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Get a grip[/bold] wrote: So far we have spent £4 million on one berth. How is this money to be recouped?[/p][/quote]What you are suggesting is that by spending more money we will be able to recoup more cost. Its a false economy unless Condor will guarantee income which they absolutely do not want to do. It seems to me that Condor need us a lot more than we need them...the amount of wealth in the channel islands is absolutely staggering - yet their principal means of transport with a vehicle ( and lets not pretend they don't all drive very expensive cars ) is looking for funds. Im willing to bet the funds mysteriously appear.[/p][/quote]No you have me wrong I am saying that the £4 million has in large measure been wasted as we will never see a return on capital employed Get a grip
  • Score: 1

4:39pm Wed 16 Jul 14

Get a grip says...

sjc100 wrote:
Get a grip wrote:
So far we have spent £4 million on one berth.

How is this money to be recouped?
they do pay alot in mooring fees every year
And by the time they leave Weymouth will we have a return on the money?
[quote][p][bold]sjc100[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Get a grip[/bold] wrote: So far we have spent £4 million on one berth. How is this money to be recouped?[/p][/quote]they do pay alot in mooring fees every year[/p][/quote]And by the time they leave Weymouth will we have a return on the money? Get a grip
  • Score: 0

4:59pm Wed 16 Jul 14

Simon Nicholas says...

FerryFan wrote:
Would fares be raised to cover costs if they do run from Poole, they would then recoup the costs, If they do operated from Poole it will be their second choice, not first choice, and if the second choice is due to costs, then they could work out ways of offsetting?
The trouble is with this "Ferry Fan" is that Condor know they are in a very price sensitive market place. They have stated in the past that there is only so much that people will pay to travel to travel by ferry, before the alternative flight option becomes more attractive.

We are in for an interesting (nail biting!) few weeks now until Condor announce their announcement - there still seems to be a school of thought that Condor will suddenly announce that they have decided to fund the harbour improvements themselves - I can`t see it myself personally.

However, as they are wholly owned by an investment bank (in this case Macquarie, who also own Wightlink, and have their fingers in many other pies), it is not beyond the realms of possibility.

In the unlikely event that this does happen, I can`t see them being willing to the fund the work AND pay harbour fees as well however.

Cheers
Simon N.
[quote][p][bold]FerryFan[/bold] wrote: Would fares be raised to cover costs if they do run from Poole, they would then recoup the costs, If they do operated from Poole it will be their second choice, not first choice, and if the second choice is due to costs, then they could work out ways of offsetting?[/p][/quote]The trouble is with this "Ferry Fan" is that Condor know they are in a very price sensitive market place. They have stated in the past that there is only so much that people will pay to travel to travel by ferry, before the alternative flight option becomes more attractive. We are in for an interesting (nail biting!) few weeks now until Condor announce their announcement - there still seems to be a school of thought that Condor will suddenly announce that they have decided to fund the harbour improvements themselves - I can`t see it myself personally. However, as they are wholly owned by an investment bank (in this case Macquarie, who also own Wightlink, and have their fingers in many other pies), it is not beyond the realms of possibility. In the unlikely event that this does happen, I can`t see them being willing to the fund the work AND pay harbour fees as well however. Cheers Simon N. Simon Nicholas
  • Score: 7

5:13pm Wed 16 Jul 14

portland rebel says...

first if no contract was put in place to recover the 4million investment just made then the person who authorised the work should be sacked.
if we really want condor to stay, all that has to happen is for a contract to be put in place that any investment is recoverable over a number of years from condor, on the other hand is condor really of any benefit, apart from the birthing fees, what other income does it bring no doubt a few b&b's benefit, but what about the rest of the town, the traffic congestion etc, is it really worth it.
first if no contract was put in place to recover the 4million investment just made then the person who authorised the work should be sacked. if we really want condor to stay, all that has to happen is for a contract to be put in place that any investment is recoverable over a number of years from condor, on the other hand is condor really of any benefit, apart from the birthing fees, what other income does it bring no doubt a few b&b's benefit, but what about the rest of the town, the traffic congestion etc, is it really worth it. portland rebel
  • Score: 5

6:40pm Wed 16 Jul 14

gestco says...

The fact remains that over the years Condor and other ferry operators before have paid the council a lot of money to allow them to operate from what is a commercial port. As a commercial operation run by the borough council they should have reinvested to ensure the port is safe and viable for any operator wishing to use the facilities. Sadly the council have wasted the money up until the point tthat the structure actually failed. Its fair to assume that had the berth not collapsed the council would have continued to use the money condor pay to fund other projects rather than reinvest for the future. Any business that does not plan or reinvest for the future will fail. Many people complain that the council pander to condor by trying to keep them in the port. So they should. Every port needs business users to ensure an income.
The fact remains that over the years Condor and other ferry operators before have paid the council a lot of money to allow them to operate from what is a commercial port. As a commercial operation run by the borough council they should have reinvested to ensure the port is safe and viable for any operator wishing to use the facilities. Sadly the council have wasted the money up until the point tthat the structure actually failed. Its fair to assume that had the berth not collapsed the council would have continued to use the money condor pay to fund other projects rather than reinvest for the future. Any business that does not plan or reinvest for the future will fail. Many people complain that the council pander to condor by trying to keep them in the port. So they should. Every port needs business users to ensure an income. gestco
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6:59pm Wed 16 Jul 14

Get a grip says...

portland rebel wrote:
first if no contract was put in place to recover the 4million investment just made then the person who authorised the work should be sacked.
if we really want condor to stay, all that has to happen is for a contract to be put in place that any investment is recoverable over a number of years from condor, on the other hand is condor really of any benefit, apart from the birthing fees, what other income does it bring no doubt a few b&b's benefit, but what about the rest of the town, the traffic congestion etc, is it really worth it.
Councilllors made the decision

Not a member of staff
[quote][p][bold]portland rebel[/bold] wrote: first if no contract was put in place to recover the 4million investment just made then the person who authorised the work should be sacked. if we really want condor to stay, all that has to happen is for a contract to be put in place that any investment is recoverable over a number of years from condor, on the other hand is condor really of any benefit, apart from the birthing fees, what other income does it bring no doubt a few b&b's benefit, but what about the rest of the town, the traffic congestion etc, is it really worth it.[/p][/quote]Councilllors made the decision Not a member of staff Get a grip
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9:01pm Wed 16 Jul 14

FerryFan says...

Simon Nicholas wrote:
FerryFan wrote:
Would fares be raised to cover costs if they do run from Poole, they would then recoup the costs, If they do operated from Poole it will be their second choice, not first choice, and if the second choice is due to costs, then they could work out ways of offsetting?
The trouble is with this "Ferry Fan" is that Condor know they are in a very price sensitive market place. They have stated in the past that there is only so much that people will pay to travel to travel by ferry, before the alternative flight option becomes more attractive.

We are in for an interesting (nail biting!) few weeks now until Condor announce their announcement - there still seems to be a school of thought that Condor will suddenly announce that they have decided to fund the harbour improvements themselves - I can`t see it myself personally.

However, as they are wholly owned by an investment bank (in this case Macquarie, who also own Wightlink, and have their fingers in many other pies), it is not beyond the realms of possibility.

In the unlikely event that this does happen, I can`t see them being willing to the fund the work AND pay harbour fees as well however.

Cheers
Simon N.
Interesting comments, Simon. I was just thinking this morning as I would like to take a trip at some point on this ferry, and naturally thought of the fares as not been to the Channels before - or St Malo, it is something I would like to do and got to get round to it, Imost of my travels have been to Normandy.

Hoping it wont be too dear, I have taken a hit in the pocket the past couple of years and ferry travel isn't as frequent as I'd like it, lol!! This is why I thought that they might put up the prices if they operated from Poole if it is going to lose them the sort of money that has been mentioned, it kind of followed on from the train of thought I had this morning about grasping the nettle and doing this trip!!

Back to your comments, though, didn't know Macquarie owned Wightlink - now the old C Class ferries of theirs, now they were my old favourites, old Caedmon, used to do some work on the IOW in the 90s!!

BTW - not trying to hint/wangle a freebie here, lol, no, will have to organise the pennies.
[quote][p][bold]Simon Nicholas[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FerryFan[/bold] wrote: Would fares be raised to cover costs if they do run from Poole, they would then recoup the costs, If they do operated from Poole it will be their second choice, not first choice, and if the second choice is due to costs, then they could work out ways of offsetting?[/p][/quote]The trouble is with this "Ferry Fan" is that Condor know they are in a very price sensitive market place. They have stated in the past that there is only so much that people will pay to travel to travel by ferry, before the alternative flight option becomes more attractive. We are in for an interesting (nail biting!) few weeks now until Condor announce their announcement - there still seems to be a school of thought that Condor will suddenly announce that they have decided to fund the harbour improvements themselves - I can`t see it myself personally. However, as they are wholly owned by an investment bank (in this case Macquarie, who also own Wightlink, and have their fingers in many other pies), it is not beyond the realms of possibility. In the unlikely event that this does happen, I can`t see them being willing to the fund the work AND pay harbour fees as well however. Cheers Simon N.[/p][/quote]Interesting comments, Simon. I was just thinking this morning as I would like to take a trip at some point on this ferry, and naturally thought of the fares as not been to the Channels before - or St Malo, it is something I would like to do and got to get round to it, Imost of my travels have been to Normandy. Hoping it wont be too dear, I have taken a hit in the pocket the past couple of years and ferry travel isn't as frequent as I'd like it, lol!! This is why I thought that they might put up the prices if they operated from Poole if it is going to lose them the sort of money that has been mentioned, it kind of followed on from the train of thought I had this morning about grasping the nettle and doing this trip!! Back to your comments, though, didn't know Macquarie owned Wightlink - now the old C Class ferries of theirs, now they were my old favourites, old Caedmon, used to do some work on the IOW in the 90s!! BTW - not trying to hint/wangle a freebie here, lol, no, will have to organise the pennies. FerryFan
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9:33am Thu 17 Jul 14

dgas36 says...

Governments do not give in to terrorists
Police do not give in to Ransom demands by kidnappers
So why is our Councillors thinking of giving to being Blackmailed by Condor.???
Governments do not give in to terrorists Police do not give in to Ransom demands by kidnappers So why is our Councillors thinking of giving to being Blackmailed by Condor.??? dgas36
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10:14am Thu 17 Jul 14

Bob Goulding says...

The other side of the story?

The headline in Tuesday's Bournemouth Echo read 'Poole Port could benefit after Condor Ferries give no guarantees over Weymouth sailings'. More or less the same story as in Tuesdays's Dorset Echo but some interesting comments from their readers. Here is one comment that I think is particularly interesting as it gives a different perspective on the facilities and infrastructure at Poole Harbour...

Rustynails said....'Poole is currently having to juggle its 3 main Channel ferries on & off the one & only RORO that can accommodate them, if one is late arriving it throws the Port into Chaos & the problem is it has no capacity to expand, it will receive this year just 4 visits from a very small cruise ship (800 Pax), it has no real on site Car Park, the departure lounge whilst adequate is nothing to write home about, the road system to the Port can become congested without even trying & if the New Twin Sails Bridge packs up, which it does with alarming regularity, it becomes gridlocked, the rail station is a good walk from the Port & as far as I am aware there is no Bus Service, so its a Taxi..'

A dedicated berth at Weymouth has to be worth the price Condor.
The other side of the story? The headline in Tuesday's Bournemouth Echo read 'Poole Port could benefit after Condor Ferries give no guarantees over Weymouth sailings'. More or less the same story as in Tuesdays's Dorset Echo but some interesting comments from their readers. Here is one comment that I think is particularly interesting as it gives a different perspective on the facilities and infrastructure at Poole Harbour... Rustynails said....'Poole is currently having to juggle its 3 main Channel ferries on & off the one & only RORO that can accommodate them, if one is late arriving it throws the Port into Chaos & the problem is it has no capacity to expand, it will receive this year just 4 visits from a very small cruise ship (800 Pax), it has no real on site Car Park, the departure lounge whilst adequate is nothing to write home about, the road system to the Port can become congested without even trying & if the New Twin Sails Bridge packs up, which it does with alarming regularity, it becomes gridlocked, the rail station is a good walk from the Port & as far as I am aware there is no Bus Service, so its a Taxi..' A dedicated berth at Weymouth has to be worth the price Condor. Bob Goulding
  • Score: 0

12:27pm Thu 17 Jul 14

FerryFan says...

Rusty Nails is wrong on the berths. Poole's three main Channel ferries have two berths, Berth 3 is for the Barfleur and the Norman Asturius and Condor use Berth 2 for their cats as it has been armoured. It is the conventional ferries that have a bit of a problem when one is late, it doesn't affect the cats as far as I know, the new ship would not have a problem with her berth she will have it to herself. There is a large car park right adjacent to the ferryport, and there are other car parks nearby. I regularly use the port as a footie and can say that as far as I'm aware there are no buses to the port although I will check. I normally do the walk from the bus station and it takes me 15-20 mins. Agreed the terminal building isn't exactly luxurious, but it is adequate, warm and there is a café, drinks machine and toilets.
Rusty Nails is wrong on the berths. Poole's three main Channel ferries have two berths, Berth 3 is for the Barfleur and the Norman Asturius and Condor use Berth 2 for their cats as it has been armoured. It is the conventional ferries that have a bit of a problem when one is late, it doesn't affect the cats as far as I know, the new ship would not have a problem with her berth she will have it to herself. There is a large car park right adjacent to the ferryport, and there are other car parks nearby. I regularly use the port as a footie and can say that as far as I'm aware there are no buses to the port although I will check. I normally do the walk from the bus station and it takes me 15-20 mins. Agreed the terminal building isn't exactly luxurious, but it is adequate, warm and there is a café, drinks machine and toilets. FerryFan
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12:31pm Thu 17 Jul 14

FerryFan says...

http://www.phc.co.uk
/commercial.html
http://www.phc.co.uk /commercial.html FerryFan
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7:58pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Brinboy says...

As a newbie I ask a simple question. Huge liners & naval ships go into Portland Harbour, why not Condor?
As a newbie I ask a simple question. Huge liners & naval ships go into Portland Harbour, why not Condor? Brinboy
  • Score: -1

8:14pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Bob Goulding says...

FerryFan wrote:
Rusty Nails is wrong on the berths. Poole's three main Channel ferries have two berths, Berth 3 is for the Barfleur and the Norman Asturius and Condor use Berth 2 for their cats as it has been armoured. It is the conventional ferries that have a bit of a problem when one is late, it doesn't affect the cats as far as I know, the new ship would not have a problem with her berth she will have it to herself. There is a large car park right adjacent to the ferryport, and there are other car parks nearby. I regularly use the port as a footie and can say that as far as I'm aware there are no buses to the port although I will check. I normally do the walk from the bus station and it takes me 15-20 mins. Agreed the terminal building isn't exactly luxurious, but it is adequate, warm and there is a café, drinks machine and toilets.
Does Berth 2 have the necessary RORO 'ramps' to handle the Austal 102? If not, Condor would have to operate their new vessel from Berth 3.
[quote][p][bold]FerryFan[/bold] wrote: Rusty Nails is wrong on the berths. Poole's three main Channel ferries have two berths, Berth 3 is for the Barfleur and the Norman Asturius and Condor use Berth 2 for their cats as it has been armoured. It is the conventional ferries that have a bit of a problem when one is late, it doesn't affect the cats as far as I know, the new ship would not have a problem with her berth she will have it to herself. There is a large car park right adjacent to the ferryport, and there are other car parks nearby. I regularly use the port as a footie and can say that as far as I'm aware there are no buses to the port although I will check. I normally do the walk from the bus station and it takes me 15-20 mins. Agreed the terminal building isn't exactly luxurious, but it is adequate, warm and there is a café, drinks machine and toilets.[/p][/quote]Does Berth 2 have the necessary RORO 'ramps' to handle the Austal 102? If not, Condor would have to operate their new vessel from Berth 3. Bob Goulding
  • Score: 0

8:49pm Thu 17 Jul 14

FerryFan says...

Brinboy wrote:
As a newbie I ask a simple question. Huge liners & naval ships go into Portland Harbour, why not Condor?
They would probably have to make a suitable armoured berth for an HSC, to reduce scour and thrust from the waterjets. If a suitable berth exists than indeed, why not, but if not, then you are probably still looking at large sums of money to make a berth suitable.
[quote][p][bold]Brinboy[/bold] wrote: As a newbie I ask a simple question. Huge liners & naval ships go into Portland Harbour, why not Condor?[/p][/quote]They would probably have to make a suitable armoured berth for an HSC, to reduce scour and thrust from the waterjets. If a suitable berth exists than indeed, why not, but if not, then you are probably still looking at large sums of money to make a berth suitable. FerryFan
  • Score: 1

9:14pm Thu 17 Jul 14

FerryFan says...

Bob Goulding wrote:
FerryFan wrote:
Rusty Nails is wrong on the berths. Poole's three main Channel ferries have two berths, Berth 3 is for the Barfleur and the Norman Asturius and Condor use Berth 2 for their cats as it has been armoured. It is the conventional ferries that have a bit of a problem when one is late, it doesn't affect the cats as far as I know, the new ship would not have a problem with her berth she will have it to herself. There is a large car park right adjacent to the ferryport, and there are other car parks nearby. I regularly use the port as a footie and can say that as far as I'm aware there are no buses to the port although I will check. I normally do the walk from the bus station and it takes me 15-20 mins. Agreed the terminal building isn't exactly luxurious, but it is adequate, warm and there is a café, drinks machine and toilets.
Does Berth 2 have the necessary RORO 'ramps' to handle the Austal 102? If not, Condor would have to operate their new vessel from Berth 3.
Pretty sure, pity you can't upload photos here, have quite a few of the berths.
[quote][p][bold]Bob Goulding[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FerryFan[/bold] wrote: Rusty Nails is wrong on the berths. Poole's three main Channel ferries have two berths, Berth 3 is for the Barfleur and the Norman Asturius and Condor use Berth 2 for their cats as it has been armoured. It is the conventional ferries that have a bit of a problem when one is late, it doesn't affect the cats as far as I know, the new ship would not have a problem with her berth she will have it to herself. There is a large car park right adjacent to the ferryport, and there are other car parks nearby. I regularly use the port as a footie and can say that as far as I'm aware there are no buses to the port although I will check. I normally do the walk from the bus station and it takes me 15-20 mins. Agreed the terminal building isn't exactly luxurious, but it is adequate, warm and there is a café, drinks machine and toilets.[/p][/quote]Does Berth 2 have the necessary RORO 'ramps' to handle the Austal 102? If not, Condor would have to operate their new vessel from Berth 3.[/p][/quote]Pretty sure, pity you can't upload photos here, have quite a few of the berths. FerryFan
  • Score: 1

10:38pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Bob Goulding says...

FerryFan wrote:
Bob Goulding wrote:
FerryFan wrote:
Rusty Nails is wrong on the berths. Poole's three main Channel ferries have two berths, Berth 3 is for the Barfleur and the Norman Asturius and Condor use Berth 2 for their cats as it has been armoured. It is the conventional ferries that have a bit of a problem when one is late, it doesn't affect the cats as far as I know, the new ship would not have a problem with her berth she will have it to herself. There is a large car park right adjacent to the ferryport, and there are other car parks nearby. I regularly use the port as a footie and can say that as far as I'm aware there are no buses to the port although I will check. I normally do the walk from the bus station and it takes me 15-20 mins. Agreed the terminal building isn't exactly luxurious, but it is adequate, warm and there is a café, drinks machine and toilets.
Does Berth 2 have the necessary RORO 'ramps' to handle the Austal 102? If not, Condor would have to operate their new vessel from Berth 3.
Pretty sure, pity you can't upload photos here, have quite a few of the berths.
Either it does or it doesn't. If Berth 2 does have the required RORO ramps then why is Berth 2 not already used to ease congestion at Berth 3?
[quote][p][bold]FerryFan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bob Goulding[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FerryFan[/bold] wrote: Rusty Nails is wrong on the berths. Poole's three main Channel ferries have two berths, Berth 3 is for the Barfleur and the Norman Asturius and Condor use Berth 2 for their cats as it has been armoured. It is the conventional ferries that have a bit of a problem when one is late, it doesn't affect the cats as far as I know, the new ship would not have a problem with her berth she will have it to herself. There is a large car park right adjacent to the ferryport, and there are other car parks nearby. I regularly use the port as a footie and can say that as far as I'm aware there are no buses to the port although I will check. I normally do the walk from the bus station and it takes me 15-20 mins. Agreed the terminal building isn't exactly luxurious, but it is adequate, warm and there is a café, drinks machine and toilets.[/p][/quote]Does Berth 2 have the necessary RORO 'ramps' to handle the Austal 102? If not, Condor would have to operate their new vessel from Berth 3.[/p][/quote]Pretty sure, pity you can't upload photos here, have quite a few of the berths.[/p][/quote]Either it does or it doesn't. If Berth 2 does have the required RORO ramps then why is Berth 2 not already used to ease congestion at Berth 3? Bob Goulding
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12:54am Fri 18 Jul 14

FerryFan says...

Barfleur has used Berth 2 on occasion, not often, it has been known for her to use it, There is an 12m linkspan at berth 2. Had to double check, before posting that is why I didn't say.
Barfleur has used Berth 2 on occasion, not often, it has been known for her to use it, There is an 12m linkspan at berth 2. Had to double check, before posting that is why I didn't say. FerryFan
  • Score: 1

8:34am Fri 18 Jul 14

Simon 1965 says...

The local authority here have already advised that even if the funding was found for the work on Berth 1, it woud take two years to actuate all the legal technicalities and construction of it. Therefore, this new Austel will be running from Poole for the first two years whatever happens.
The local authority here have already advised that even if the funding was found for the work on Berth 1, it woud take two years to actuate all the legal technicalities and construction of it. Therefore, this new Austel will be running from Poole for the first two years whatever happens. Simon 1965
  • Score: 3

10:57am Fri 18 Jul 14

FerryFan says...

Regarding the ramp, I have asked elsewhere, and as the Austal doesn't appear to have her own ramp, but she could have one added on according to my source.
Regarding the ramp, I have asked elsewhere, and as the Austal doesn't appear to have her own ramp, but she could have one added on according to my source. FerryFan
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11:11am Fri 18 Jul 14

Bob Goulding says...

FerryFan wrote:
Regarding the ramp, I have asked elsewhere, and as the Austal doesn't appear to have her own ramp, but she could have one added on according to my source.
Very interesting FerryFan. Thanks for the info.

If this is indeed the case would it not make sense for Condor to invest in this and avoid the delays and legal issues associated with the modifications to Berth 1 in Weymouth. It would still take some time to upgrade the berth (which, I assume, would include reinforcing the harbour wall if necessary to prevent thruster damage) but this has to be a cheaper and more flexible solution.
[quote][p][bold]FerryFan[/bold] wrote: Regarding the ramp, I have asked elsewhere, and as the Austal doesn't appear to have her own ramp, but she could have one added on according to my source.[/p][/quote]Very interesting FerryFan. Thanks for the info. If this is indeed the case would it not make sense for Condor to invest in this and avoid the delays and legal issues associated with the modifications to Berth 1 in Weymouth. It would still take some time to upgrade the berth (which, I assume, would include reinforcing the harbour wall if necessary to prevent thruster damage) but this has to be a cheaper and more flexible solution. Bob Goulding
  • Score: 0

11:46am Fri 18 Jul 14

Simon 1965 says...

Brinboy wrote:
As a newbie I ask a simple question. Huge liners & naval ships go into Portland Harbour, why not Condor?
Hello Newbie Brinboy, welcome to the madness and general life sapping negativeness of this comments group!

Use of Portland Port was considered by Condor - the two parties have met.

As Ferry Fan confirmed, the lack of a link span is a problem, the cost of buildng one is vast. Also, the fees charged by PP are thought to be very high compated to the existing ports, especially as thy would need to recoup the cost of the linkspan.

In addition, PP would need holding space for up to 250, and a dedicated terminal building, as part of the pre-boarding procedures. They don`t have this, and what space thet do have is used by the many coaches that meet the cruise liners that berth there these days.

Finally, the current road link to Portland was thought to be too easily prone to hold ups and congestion.

Gawd knows how it will cope if this Jurassica thing goes ahead!

Cheers
Simon N.
[quote][p][bold]Brinboy[/bold] wrote: As a newbie I ask a simple question. Huge liners & naval ships go into Portland Harbour, why not Condor?[/p][/quote]Hello Newbie Brinboy, welcome to the madness and general life sapping negativeness of this comments group! Use of Portland Port was considered by Condor - the two parties have met. As Ferry Fan confirmed, the lack of a link span is a problem, the cost of buildng one is vast. Also, the fees charged by PP are thought to be very high compated to the existing ports, especially as thy would need to recoup the cost of the linkspan. In addition, PP would need holding space for up to 250, and a dedicated terminal building, as part of the pre-boarding procedures. They don`t have this, and what space thet do have is used by the many coaches that meet the cruise liners that berth there these days. Finally, the current road link to Portland was thought to be too easily prone to hold ups and congestion. Gawd knows how it will cope if this Jurassica thing goes ahead! Cheers Simon N. Simon 1965
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12:40pm Fri 18 Jul 14

FerryFan says...

Poole Port would need a bigger terminal for this trimaran too - when there are a few coach parties of footies travelling, the terminal building is very busy indeed. Witnessed this as when waiting to board Barfleur have seen coachloads disembark for the present cats, and the terminal building does get quite full with Condor passengers, us BF footies are not so numerous, so maybe Poole Port will have to look at enlarging the terminal - although that is probably not on the cards!!
Poole Port would need a bigger terminal for this trimaran too - when there are a few coach parties of footies travelling, the terminal building is very busy indeed. Witnessed this as when waiting to board Barfleur have seen coachloads disembark for the present cats, and the terminal building does get quite full with Condor passengers, us BF footies are not so numerous, so maybe Poole Port will have to look at enlarging the terminal - although that is probably not on the cards!! FerryFan
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3:01pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Bob Goulding says...

Simon 1965 wrote:
Brinboy wrote:
As a newbie I ask a simple question. Huge liners & naval ships go into Portland Harbour, why not Condor?
Hello Newbie Brinboy, welcome to the madness and general life sapping negativeness of this comments group!

Use of Portland Port was considered by Condor - the two parties have met.

As Ferry Fan confirmed, the lack of a link span is a problem, the cost of buildng one is vast. Also, the fees charged by PP are thought to be very high compated to the existing ports, especially as thy would need to recoup the cost of the linkspan.

In addition, PP would need holding space for up to 250, and a dedicated terminal building, as part of the pre-boarding procedures. They don`t have this, and what space thet do have is used by the many coaches that meet the cruise liners that berth there these days.

Finally, the current road link to Portland was thought to be too easily prone to hold ups and congestion.

Gawd knows how it will cope if this Jurassica thing goes ahead!

Cheers
Simon N.
'welcome to the madness and general life sapping negativeness of this comments group!'. I rather resent this comment. Some of us are at least attempting find a way forward that retains the ferry in Weymouth without costing W&P council tax payers (including me) a fortune.
[quote][p][bold]Simon 1965[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brinboy[/bold] wrote: As a newbie I ask a simple question. Huge liners & naval ships go into Portland Harbour, why not Condor?[/p][/quote]Hello Newbie Brinboy, welcome to the madness and general life sapping negativeness of this comments group! Use of Portland Port was considered by Condor - the two parties have met. As Ferry Fan confirmed, the lack of a link span is a problem, the cost of buildng one is vast. Also, the fees charged by PP are thought to be very high compated to the existing ports, especially as thy would need to recoup the cost of the linkspan. In addition, PP would need holding space for up to 250, and a dedicated terminal building, as part of the pre-boarding procedures. They don`t have this, and what space thet do have is used by the many coaches that meet the cruise liners that berth there these days. Finally, the current road link to Portland was thought to be too easily prone to hold ups and congestion. Gawd knows how it will cope if this Jurassica thing goes ahead! Cheers Simon N.[/p][/quote]'welcome to the madness and general life sapping negativeness of this comments group!'. I rather resent this comment. Some of us are at least attempting find a way forward that retains the ferry in Weymouth without costing W&P council tax payers (including me) a fortune. Bob Goulding
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3:49pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Bob Goulding says...

Bob Goulding wrote:
FerryFan wrote:
Regarding the ramp, I have asked elsewhere, and as the Austal doesn't appear to have her own ramp, but she could have one added on according to my source.
Very interesting FerryFan. Thanks for the info.

If this is indeed the case would it not make sense for Condor to invest in this and avoid the delays and legal issues associated with the modifications to Berth 1 in Weymouth. It would still take some time to upgrade the berth (which, I assume, would include reinforcing the harbour wall if necessary to prevent thruster damage) but this has to be a cheaper and more flexible solution.
PS. I have now checked myself and can confirm that the Austal 102 can be fitted with a bi-fold ramp. My guess is that, because the actual vessel was built some time ago (Austal Hull 270 launched in December 2009) , Condor would prefer not to commission this upgrade.
[quote][p][bold]Bob Goulding[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FerryFan[/bold] wrote: Regarding the ramp, I have asked elsewhere, and as the Austal doesn't appear to have her own ramp, but she could have one added on according to my source.[/p][/quote]Very interesting FerryFan. Thanks for the info. If this is indeed the case would it not make sense for Condor to invest in this and avoid the delays and legal issues associated with the modifications to Berth 1 in Weymouth. It would still take some time to upgrade the berth (which, I assume, would include reinforcing the harbour wall if necessary to prevent thruster damage) but this has to be a cheaper and more flexible solution.[/p][/quote]PS. I have now checked myself and can confirm that the Austal 102 can be fitted with a bi-fold ramp. My guess is that, because the actual vessel was built some time ago (Austal Hull 270 launched in December 2009) , Condor would prefer not to commission this upgrade. Bob Goulding
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4:37pm Fri 18 Jul 14

FerryFan says...

Thanks Bob, my knowledge of linkspans and ramps isn't the best and needed to ask myself elsewhere, people who would know. i don't know how much it would cost them to commission the upgrade, but if they are spending this much on the new ship, it wouldn't cost much I suppose, but this is something I wouldn't like to hazard a guess at. Condor's pockets aren't that shallow, but suppose like the rest of us they will avoid unnecessary expense. If they have to then they will have to.

I would have thought that the ship would have had the ramp included in the build, to be removed if they buyer wants it removed before delivery. But things don't work like that apparently.
Thanks Bob, my knowledge of linkspans and ramps isn't the best and needed to ask myself elsewhere, people who would know. i don't know how much it would cost them to commission the upgrade, but if they are spending this much on the new ship, it wouldn't cost much I suppose, but this is something I wouldn't like to hazard a guess at. Condor's pockets aren't that shallow, but suppose like the rest of us they will avoid unnecessary expense. If they have to then they will have to. I would have thought that the ship would have had the ramp included in the build, to be removed if they buyer wants it removed before delivery. But things don't work like that apparently. FerryFan
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4:45pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Simon Nicholas says...

Bob Goulding wrote:
Simon 1965 wrote:
Brinboy wrote:
As a newbie I ask a simple question. Huge liners & naval ships go into Portland Harbour, why not Condor?
Hello Newbie Brinboy, welcome to the madness and general life sapping negativeness of this comments group!

Use of Portland Port was considered by Condor - the two parties have met.

As Ferry Fan confirmed, the lack of a link span is a problem, the cost of buildng one is vast. Also, the fees charged by PP are thought to be very high compated to the existing ports, especially as thy would need to recoup the cost of the linkspan.

In addition, PP would need holding space for up to 250, and a dedicated terminal building, as part of the pre-boarding procedures. They don`t have this, and what space thet do have is used by the many coaches that meet the cruise liners that berth there these days.

Finally, the current road link to Portland was thought to be too easily prone to hold ups and congestion.

Gawd knows how it will cope if this Jurassica thing goes ahead!

Cheers
Simon N.
'welcome to the madness and general life sapping negativeness of this comments group!'. I rather resent this comment. Some of us are at least attempting find a way forward that retains the ferry in Weymouth without costing W&P council tax payers (including me) a fortune.
The commnent was not aimed at you Bob, I see you as one of the good guys!

Cheers
Simon N.
[quote][p][bold]Bob Goulding[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Simon 1965[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brinboy[/bold] wrote: As a newbie I ask a simple question. Huge liners & naval ships go into Portland Harbour, why not Condor?[/p][/quote]Hello Newbie Brinboy, welcome to the madness and general life sapping negativeness of this comments group! Use of Portland Port was considered by Condor - the two parties have met. As Ferry Fan confirmed, the lack of a link span is a problem, the cost of buildng one is vast. Also, the fees charged by PP are thought to be very high compated to the existing ports, especially as thy would need to recoup the cost of the linkspan. In addition, PP would need holding space for up to 250, and a dedicated terminal building, as part of the pre-boarding procedures. They don`t have this, and what space thet do have is used by the many coaches that meet the cruise liners that berth there these days. Finally, the current road link to Portland was thought to be too easily prone to hold ups and congestion. Gawd knows how it will cope if this Jurassica thing goes ahead! Cheers Simon N.[/p][/quote]'welcome to the madness and general life sapping negativeness of this comments group!'. I rather resent this comment. Some of us are at least attempting find a way forward that retains the ferry in Weymouth without costing W&P council tax payers (including me) a fortune.[/p][/quote]The commnent was not aimed at you Bob, I see you as one of the good guys! Cheers Simon N. Simon Nicholas
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5:02pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Bob Goulding says...

FerryFan wrote:
Thanks Bob, my knowledge of linkspans and ramps isn't the best and needed to ask myself elsewhere, people who would know. i don't know how much it would cost them to commission the upgrade, but if they are spending this much on the new ship, it wouldn't cost much I suppose, but this is something I wouldn't like to hazard a guess at. Condor's pockets aren't that shallow, but suppose like the rest of us they will avoid unnecessary expense. If they have to then they will have to.

I would have thought that the ship would have had the ramp included in the build, to be removed if they buyer wants it removed before delivery. But things don't work like that apparently.
I think this ship was originally built for show (and job/skills retention in the financial down-turn) as much as anything and I suspect a ramp would have 'spoilt the lines'. However, I agree that it would have made sense to keep all ramp options open for what is/was in effect a 'stock' vessel.
[quote][p][bold]FerryFan[/bold] wrote: Thanks Bob, my knowledge of linkspans and ramps isn't the best and needed to ask myself elsewhere, people who would know. i don't know how much it would cost them to commission the upgrade, but if they are spending this much on the new ship, it wouldn't cost much I suppose, but this is something I wouldn't like to hazard a guess at. Condor's pockets aren't that shallow, but suppose like the rest of us they will avoid unnecessary expense. If they have to then they will have to. I would have thought that the ship would have had the ramp included in the build, to be removed if they buyer wants it removed before delivery. But things don't work like that apparently.[/p][/quote]I think this ship was originally built for show (and job/skills retention in the financial down-turn) as much as anything and I suspect a ramp would have 'spoilt the lines'. However, I agree that it would have made sense to keep all ramp options open for what is/was in effect a 'stock' vessel. Bob Goulding
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6:17pm Fri 18 Jul 14

FerryFan says...

She seems to have been sitting over there an incredibly long time, she'll soon fossilise!! Pity as she is such a pleasant looking ship, there is an expression that someone elsewhere once used to describe another ferry (Brittany Ferries Mont St Michel) as 'all t*ts and no teeth, not exactly very complimentary, and I do hope repeating it doesn't break the T&Cs of the comment section!! I don't think this is the case with this trimaran, think if she eventually gets to work properly, she'll be excellent. I don't agree with the comment about the Mont btw, been on her, she is lovely!!!
She seems to have been sitting over there an incredibly long time, she'll soon fossilise!! Pity as she is such a pleasant looking ship, there is an expression that someone elsewhere once used to describe another ferry (Brittany Ferries Mont St Michel) as 'all t*ts and no teeth, not exactly very complimentary, and I do hope repeating it doesn't break the T&Cs of the comment section!! I don't think this is the case with this trimaran, think if she eventually gets to work properly, she'll be excellent. I don't agree with the comment about the Mont btw, been on her, she is lovely!!! FerryFan
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