Dorset veterans angry at BNP Euro election campaign (From Dorset Echo)

Did the BNP's Mr Walker have any comments on his party's use of a POLISH Spitfire on their election leaflet?

Also, has he any comments on his party's use of a stock photo of a British soldier on their election pamphlets without his knowledge, who was told, on complaining to the BNP, to "F*** off".

Hardly the kind of behaviour from the party of (and I laughingly quote) "patriotic nationalists"

Let s hear no more nonsense about Polish Spitires. The Spitfire was British. Just because it may have had a Polish pilot it was still a British plane. I am British and I drive a French car. The car is still French.

Eric Alley might not be able to see any parallels but I can and I believe thousands of others can, the only trouble is the enemies of our once great country are already here and in Brussels.
Our politicians of all parties refuse to listen to to the great BRITISH public, they are so out of touch with what people want (or they don't care). We must have a complete halt on immigration and return all illegal immigrants to their place of birth immediately without any appeals or hold ups and we must also redouble our efforts to secure our borders.
We must also follow a policy of integration for those already here, either integrate. With our culture or go home its as simple as that. We must reclaim OUR country now before it is to late. The late great Enoch Powell would turn in his grave if he could see this country now.

londonboy1 wrote:
Eric Alley might not be able to see any parallels but I can and I believe thousands of others can, the only trouble is the enemies of our once great country are already here and in Brussels. Our politicians of all parties refuse to listen to to the great BRITISH public, they are so out of touch with what people want (or they don't care). We must have a complete halt on immigration and return all illegal immigrants to their place of birth immediately without any appeals or hold ups and we must also redouble our efforts to secure our borders. We must also follow a policy of integration for those already here, either integrate. With our culture or go home its as simple as that. We must reclaim OUR country now before it is to late. The late great Enoch Powell would turn in his grave if he could see this country now.

Ok londonboy1, how about those who are supposedly 'Great' British quit trying to milk the benefits system and work the same hours and money as the immigrants who are apparently ruining this country?

Far from it, most immigrants work hard for their crust - there's more British people sponging off our 'Great British' welfare state than immigrants do.

Do some research before piling in with your xenophobic tripe.

albo - you know, as well as i do, that a fireman, a police officer or a nurse, who wished to pose for a bnp leaflet- would be hounded out of ones job, simply for being part of the BNP.
As for the spitfire- as a member of the party, we had notification of the partys intentions to create a couple of "spectaculars" for the media, and this one gave us millions of pounds of "free" media coverage- thank you.
Finally, not all d-day veterans share the same opinion, as the BNP has many servicemen, and ex servicemen, decorated, who proudly profess support for us.
Just have a wee beekie at our website,and stop believing those nasty newspapers.

taysidesteve wrote:
albo - you know, as well as i do, that a fireman, a police officer or a nurse, who wished to pose for a bnp leaflet- would be hounded out of ones job, simply for being part of the BNP. As for the spitfire- as a member of the party, we had notification of the partys intentions to create a couple of "spectaculars" for the media, and this one gave us millions of pounds of "free" media coverage- thank you. Finally, not all d-day veterans share the same opinion, as the BNP has many servicemen, and ex servicemen, decorated, who proudly profess support for us. Just have a wee beekie at our website,and stop believing those nasty newspapers.

Taysidesteve - So what you're saying is that your party is being DELIBERATELY stupid? Still, stupid is as stupid does.

SpeakTheTruth - I served with members of the Polish Air Forces Association, and you insult the memory of some of the bravest men who ever lived. Go away.

"Could cause offence."
So what if it does just ignore it, bin it and forget about. Don't rant about in the papers to give it more publicity.
People these days are far to easily offended or at least make a big issue out of the most ridicules things. I expect most people who got the leaflet took one look saw it was the BNP and filed it in the rubbish bin, recycling bin hopefully so it could be made into something more useful

On Friday when all the protest votes are in, 'they' will say its just that, a protest vote. But BNP, UKIP, EngDems and others will increase their voices, 'mainstream parties' need to listen while they still can.

Give England devolution or at least take out the Scottish MP's voting at Westminster, and Labour will struggle to govern again. Just dont let Brussels fill the void.

The point is Mr Speatthetruth, wherever the plane was built, it was being flown by a Polish man who was prepared to fight and die with the British armed forces
- something which I suspect does not lie comfortably with the BNP's values.

Incidentally, bringing the same point more up to date, what's the BNP's line on Ghurkas?

Dorsetdumpling: Funny you should mention the BNP's line on our Gurkha friends.

As the Echo's sister title the Northern Echo reports, they've got a leaflet which includes the word "Mercenaries":

bit.ly/mPMoa

Whilst not agreeing with any of the racist banter emanating from certain contributors, there are some very real issues here that the BNP are feeding on precisely because the main parties are not.

Fact: Uncontrolled immigration is not good for Britain. The think tank MigrationWatch (which includes non-caucasian members) has done lots of work - on an economic basis - that proves this.

Fact: successive governments have encouraged the growth of the benefits culture.

Fact: there aren't actually enough jobs for everyone on benefits, even assuming that every person was skilled to do every job.

However, tackling the second issue (people claiming benefits) would go a long way to solving the first. Taking an "everyone must work" stance would mean that even those on benefits who can work but can't find work would have a part to play in the voluntary sector.

As for those that genuinely can't work, society has a responsibility to them as, i believe, it has a responsibility to the Poles and Gurkhas who have been so shamefully treated by this country. The Gurkhas at least knew the score - Poles died in their thousands defending this country, only for their own to be given away, by Churchill and Roosevelt, to appease Stalin.

Lastly, it is not appropriate to label those who have genuine concerns about immigration as xenophobic. There is a real issue with people coming here, who choose not to speak English, who expect a separate legal system and who do not see themselves as having the same obligations to other Britons that we ourselves do.
Until this simple truth is accepted and addressed, extremist groups will gain support. The enemy of my enemy is, after all, my friend.

On its website, the BNP states:

“On current demographic trends, we, the native British people, will be an ethnic minority in our own country within sixty years”.

There is of course a problem in identifying what is Native British, but assuming - based upon the BNP calling their ‘battle bus’ 'Boadicea’, and the fact that ‘British’ is a now-extinct language of undetermined – but possibly Neolithic – origin, I suspect that the BNP is too late to prevent the ‘British’ from becoming an ethnic minority.

Since the days of Boadicea, this countries immigrants have included Romans, Vikings, Jute, Saxons, Angles (becoming Anglo-Saxons, and giving us the English language) the Norman French, Huguenots, Irish, Poles, persecuted Jews from many countries, The commonwealth countries (too numerous to list here), and so on.

In the words of that In his book, the ‘History of the English Speaking Peoples’, BNP Icon, Sir Winston Churchill, wrote, “In the summer of the Roman year 699, now described as the year 55 before the birth of Christ, the Proconsul of Gaul, Gaius Julius Caesar, turned his gaze upon Britain." (Actually immigration started a bit before that, but he made the point).

As Churchill appreciated, these islands are what they are because waves of immigrants of all nationalities and creeds have historically been assimilated. I recall working with Poles who arrived here after WW2. Their English was poor, but Polish is now their Childrens’ second language, and it will be a foreign language to their grandchildren. Similarly, the children of Pakistani immigrants (for example) now speak with local dialects, are employed right across the job market, and serve with our armed forces. There is also the practical reality that population is top-heavy with retired people, and only by accepting ‘new blood’ will their pensions and lifestyles be sustainable).

I wonder how many BNP members have taken a DNA test to determine just how ‘British’ they are?

Unfortunately, their rhetoric appeals to the dregs of our society who seek scapoegoats for every ill that befalls them. My father was one of many who received physical scars from fighting the consequences of the BNP mentality, and woukd have shared the views of those such as Eric Alley.

Those who are concerned about immigration can vote UKIP for a non-racist alternative.

The BNP tend to scapegoat any minority / issue which is currently topical and hope to gain support from that. It could be Polish workers, muslims or whatever.

This doesn't mean that voting for a party:

1. Whose founder John Tyndall was an associate of the London nailbomber / terrorist David Copeland.

2. Whose current leader (Griffin) has recently met with leaders of the Ku Klux Klan in the USA.

3. Whose deputy leader (Simon Darby) was recently greeted with nazi salutes at a rally in Italy.

Dodgy behaviour of the highest order.

Check all this out and more on google, youtube & wikipedia.

ChrisSm: Would that be the same UKIP whose leader has claimed £2m of expenses in the last three years?

The same UKIP who had one of their MEPs jailed from fraud?

And the same UKIP with another MEP who has admitted making bogus expenses claims?

(Sources: Guardian, Telegraph, Times)

That's the BNP and UKIP done for. Only 15 other parties to vote for on Thursday. I would suggest "Ip Dip"

I can't imagine the BNP saying no to an EU expense account.

Espeically as BNP leader Griffin once visited Colonel Gaddafi of Libya in an attempt to raise funds.

No doubt Griffin likes foreigners (and the EU) when they're giving him money.

Bluefin wrote:

londonboy1 wrote: Eric Alley might not be able to see any parallels but I can and I believe thousands of others can, the only trouble is the enemies of our once great country are already here and in Brussels. Our politicians of all parties refuse to listen to to the great BRITISH public, they are so out of touch with what people want (or they don't care). We must have a complete halt on immigration and return all illegal immigrants to their place of birth immediately without any appeals or hold ups and we must also redouble our efforts to secure our borders. We must also follow a policy of integration for those already here, either integrate. With our culture or go home its as simple as that. We must reclaim OUR country now before it is to late. The late great Enoch Powell would turn in his grave if he could see this country now.

Ok londonboy1, how about those who are supposedly 'Great' British quit trying to milk the benefits system and work the same hours and money as the immigrants who are apparently ruining this country? Far from it, most immigrants work hard for their crust - there's more British people sponging off our 'Great British' welfare state than immigrants do. Do some research before piling in with your xenophobic tripe.

So are you saying that only the British are milking the system because I can assure you that is far from the truth, the benefit system is being abused by all nationalities. My point is that we are only a small island and we only have room for so many people and at this moment in time we are overcrowded and despite the rumours immigrants work no harder than the British and I can say that from personal experience. In my travels I have visited many different countries and have and always will respect their culture and way of life so is it asking to much for them to do the same in my country. I have no wish to live in a Muslim state, my country is a Christian country I would not dream of going to India/Pakistan or anywhere else and trying to set up my own church so why do they think its ok to do it here. As far as your last comment is concerned I probably have more experience than you when it comes down to it so you can call me what you like but I am British and used to be proud of being British and would dearly love to see my country returned to its former glory or even halfway would be nice so you can take your PC multicultural claptrap and stick it where the sun don't shine.

Don't blame people for voting for minor parties - a comment above put it simply - the main political parties have their own agenda - they pay lip service to the peoples' wishes - THEY DON'T LISTEN !

My advice to anyone wishing to use a 'protest' vote is - DO NOT VOTE! - voting in these current scandalous conditions just gives credibility to the party leaders - if you think the current political system is deeply and maybe criminally flawed - why give it credibility by voting - a greatly reduced turnout would take away any pretence that any party is supporting the majority.

Just this once - try not voting!
(Havn't mentioned the Euro elections - just about to have dinner - don't want to make myself sick!)

londonboy1 above said "you can take your PC multicultural claptrap and stick it where the sun don't shine." I wonder if this person thinks there was a time when Britain was mono-cultural?

Just think of the successive invasions: celts, romans, anglo-saxons, french etc. etc. And think of the range of religions: druids, pagans, christians and a good many more.

And this person says this is a Christian country yet less than 7% of the population go to church.

And he says he wouldn't dream of going abroad and setting up his own church (!)

Yet missionaries from this country have set up Christian churches on every continent of the earth - contributing the world's multiculturalism.

And this country sent armies abroad to establish an empire on which the sun never set (some say God allowed this to happen because God couldn't trust the British in the dark!)

I think he's got his knickers in twist over multiculturalism.

As a serving member of the Armed Forces I am disgusted with the BNP for using images of war graves in their electrol campaign. Using the deaths of British service men and woman to try and further their fascist viewpoint is a good reason if any were neaded not to vote for these ignorant clowns. They will never represent me.

If HM EIIR (QE2) put up as a candidate (bit late now), would that draw an interesting result ? ?

Just a couple of points to ponder:

The Spitfire in the aforementioned picture - As I understand it, Designed in England, Airframe built in Canada; British engine build under licence in USA; delivered to Britain who who knows what nationality; Flown by a Pole. That's all very British isn't it?

The ancient Britons were assimilated by the first wave of Celts, who had emigrated from what we now call Eastern Europe, long before the Romans started building their Empire.

Occasional reader, brilliant post and it saved me a lot of work as I was in the process of writing a similar reply. I would only add that the process of immigration started in the pre-historic period (not counting the first human settlers as immigrants). Tests done on skeletons from pre-historic sites show a continental origin for some of them.

I will take the BNP's twisted logic and distorted view of history with a pinch of salt. They may like to wrap theirselves up in the flag and pictures of Churchill and the men who fought to end a similar type of bigotry.

I would like to ask the question how many people would like to send their children to a school where your child would be outnumbered by immigrants, also how many people have had a Pakistani for a next door neighbour. The trouble is that the good people of Dorset are very insular and are not aware of the scale of the problem in other parts of the country. Its not a case of black or white but all of the immigrant children need extra help at school and while time is being devoted to them your child is being let down, a problem that is made more difficult by the fact that in many cases the mother tongue is spoken at home there are many many people who have lived here for years who still cant speak English and have no desire too.

londonboy1 wrote:
I would like to ask the question how many people would like to send their children to a school where your child would be outnumbered by immigrants, also how many people have had a Pakistani for a next door neighbour. The trouble is that the good people of Dorset are very insular and are not aware of the scale of the problem in other parts of the country. Its not a case of black or white but all of the immigrant children need extra help at school and while time is being devoted to them your child is being let down, a problem that is made more difficult by the fact that in many cases the mother tongue is spoken at home there are many many people who have lived here for years who still cant speak English and have no desire too.

So, what you're essentially saying is that immigration isn't a problem in Dorset.

Therefore, there is no reason for anybody down here to vote BNP.

Thanks for the advice, chump!

People may consider the BNP to be responding to understandable concerns.

Worth remembering a quote from BNP leader Nick Griffin in todays newspapers:

Griffin described the BNP as "a strong, disciplined organisation with the ability to back up its slogan 'defend rights for whites' with well-directed boots and fists. When the crunch comes, power is the product of force and will, not of rational debate".

Rational debate will always make a greater contribution to civilisation than the purveyors of this nonsense.

"Whilst not agreeing with any of the racist banter emanating from certain contributors, there are some very real issues here that the BNP are feeding on precisely because the main parties are not."

JamesYoung, you must be mistaken if you are suggesting there has been overtly racist banter from contributors on here. BNP supporters know their posts would be removed, they’d be banned and aside from that they’d show themselves up.
As it happens the contributions from the declared BNP supporters here have been no more racist than your own, the substance of the post from ‘londonboy1’ at 11.17am for example, is little different from yours.

"those on benefits who can work but can't find work would have a part to play in the voluntary sector."

What does that mean if not coerced to work in the voluntary sector?
Unfortunately, the type of work typical to the voluntary sector relies very much on personal commitment not coercion. Although perhaps you just mean forced labour (sounds familiar) but why would you not pay someone who is doing a job, a proper wage?

"Lastly, it is not appropriate to label those who have genuine concerns about immigration as xenophobic. There is a real issue with people coming here, who choose not to speak English, who expect a separate legal system and who do not see themselves as having the same obligations to other Britons that we ourselves do."

Specifically, what are these same obligations to other Britons that all we ‘Britons’ have?
What I consider to be my obligations are not the same as every other person, there are some things on which we may be in accord, other things not. I will also be more in accord with some people than with others. This is also true for immigrants.
Or is there a minimum point in your scheme of things at which I am not sufficiently in accord with others and so lose my status as a UK national?

"Until this simple truth is accepted and addressed, extremist groups will gain support. The enemy of my enemy is, after all, my friend."

Like Stalin?
Towards who are we talking of enmity here?
The BNP? As that seems to be where most contributors on here and most ‘Britons’ would direct their hostility.
Are BNP supporters suitably ‘obligated’ to other ‘Britons’ to be considered British nationals I wonder

BNP would deny citzenship to people who are born in Britain but happen to have a skin colour not to the BNPs liking.

I wonder where these people would be "sent back to"?

I see that the UK Independence Party are also using Churchill's image on their electoral literature so why aren't the media having a go at them too. This is another contrived article whereby journalist knock on the doors of some members of the public and spin a story to elicit some condemnatory comments. The press is being instructed to run stories like this against the BNP by the criminal Searchlight organisation. The article might also have included the comments of some of the WW2 veterans who are backing the BNP campaign - oh, but that would be balanced reporting and it seems, more and more, that Goerbels stlye journalism is being used aginst the British National Party.

Rowlands wrote:
I see that the UK Independence Party are also using Churchill's image on their electoral literature so why aren't the media having a go at them too. This is another contrived article whereby journalist knock on the doors of some members of the public and spin a story to elicit some condemnatory comments. The press is being instructed to run stories like this against the BNP by the criminal Searchlight organisation. The article might also have included the comments of some of the WW2 veterans who are backing the BNP campaign - oh, but that would be balanced reporting and it seems, more and more, that Goerbels stlye journalism is being used aginst the British National Party.

Goebbels style journalism? That's so ironic. Goebbels blamed all of Germany's ills on the Jews. The BNP blames all of this country's ills on immigrants particularly if they have a different skin colour. Spot the difference in intentions. A quote from flag waving Nick Griffen: ‘In an unbiased assessment of war-crimes, the Waffen SS were undoubtedly no worse that the troops of other nations – countless Allied war crimes are simply not publicised.’ So what is he saying about our WW2 veterans that the BNP use so many pictures off in their election literature? Did they honestly commit war crimes on the scale of the Waffen SS?

Rowlands: So tell me, what post - exactly - do you hold in the British National Party?

By the way: Goebbels = Nazi propgandist; Goerbels = Part of Glasgow if you can't spell

Epic FAIL

Rowlands, Evershot is concerned that UKIP aren’t getting a mention in the press. This link should suffice:
http://tinyurl.com/l
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And here is the BNP:
http://tinyurl.com/p
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I regret that it makes for a long post, but it deserves to be copied out in its entirety:

The BNP VS The truth
By Nick Lowles 2/06/2009

The British National Party claims to be standing up for Britain but nothing could be further from the truth.

Its leaders would have opposed fighting Hitler's Nazis during WW2, have refused to support the England football team and claim that no Asian or black person, even if they are second or third generation, can ever be British.

Here is the BNP in its own words:

BNP leader Nick Griffin admires Hitler. "At 13, I read Mein Kampf , making notes in the margins. The chapter I most enjoyed was the one on propaganda and organisation. There were some really useful ideas there."

So does Mark Collett, the BNP's head of publicity. " Hitler will live forever; and maybe I will."

Six million people were murdered in Nazi concentration camps but BNP leader Nick Griffin has denied the Holocaust took place. He once said "It's well known that the chimneys from the gas chambers at Auschwitz are fake, built after the war ended."
He has even claimed that the concentration camps were built by British soldiers after the war.

Winston Churchill led us to victory over Hitler. However, Mark Collett once said: "Churchill was a f****** c*** who led us into a pointless war with other whites standing up for their race."

Private Johnson Beharry received the Victoria Cross, saving the lives of 30 comrades in Iraq despite being injured himself. The BNP dismissed him as "an immigrant" who only received a medal for doing something "routine".

At a recent World Cup, the BNP refused to support the England football team because it had black players. The BNP does not believe that any black or Asian person can ever be British.
BNP leader Nick Griffin branded the brave Gurkhas "mercenaries" who should not be allowed to come and live in Britain.

The NHS survives thanks to the work of black and Asian doctors and nurses. The BNP's racist policies would destroy the NHS.

The BNP is happy to accept an invitation to the Queen's Garden Party but really they hate the Royal Family. The BNP's Mark Collett said: "The Royals have betrayed their people. When we're in power they'll be wiped out and we'll get some Germans to rule properly."

The BNP tries to portray itself as the patriotic party that cares about Britain, but there is nothing pro-British about it. The British are a proud, tolerant and fair people. The BNP spreads hate, division and intolerance.

The BNP use WW2 imagery to suggest they are the heirs of the heroes who fought and died from 1939 to 1945. Nothing could be further from the truth. BNP members are the fascists a generation of Britons died fighting against.

Everybody is entitled to their own opinion but many people are afraid to voice their opinion for fear of it not being PC but they still have those views and opinions and one of the few occasions when one is allowed to make your feelings known is election time, so when the results come in we will soon see how the public feel. Very few people agree 100% with any party so all you can do is vote for the party that has opinions nearest to yours. But it must be clear to everybody that we are in need of drastic change in our political system as it has now been proved that the Labour/Tory see-saw does not work and that has brought about a proliferation of new parties only time will tell if this is a good thing. To say that the best way to make a protest vote is to not vote seems to me to be a pretty stupid thing to say, its a bit like people who don't go to union meetings and then complain about the outcome. People are very concerned about the B.N.P but the only way they can gain popularity is if people feel they are representative of their own views that is democracy likewise with U.K.I.P or any other party so make your feelings known whatever they are.

There's opinions and there's facts.

When people find out who the BNP really are the last thing they'll do is vote for them.

Albo wrote:

londonboy1 wrote: I would like to ask the question how many people would like to send their children to a school where your child would be outnumbered by immigrants, also how many people have had a Pakistani for a next door neighbour. The trouble is that the good people of Dorset are very insular and are not aware of the scale of the problem in other parts of the country. Its not a case of black or white but all of the immigrant children need extra help at school and while time is being devoted to them your child is being let down, a problem that is made more difficult by the fact that in many cases the mother tongue is spoken at home there are many many people who have lived here for years who still cant speak English and have no desire too.

So, what you're essentially saying is that immigration isn't a problem in Dorset. Therefore, there is no reason for anybody down here to vote BNP. Thanks for the advice, chump!

I am sorry to say Albo but it is you that is the chump and it is your attitude that is wrong when you vote for M.E.Ps you are looking at a much wider issue than just Dorset. Its about our whole country and yes you are right to say that immigration is not a great problem down here and I would like to keep it that way thank you.

Londonboy1: Well, good luck with being a racist and all that.

A vote for the BNP is a vote for scumbags who think nothing of insulting the very British people they claim to be supporting.

Occasional Reader (above) spells it all very clearly.

Add to that the quotation from BNP leader Nick Griffin in Monday's newspapers where:

Griffin described the BNP as "a strong, disciplined organisation with the ability to back up its slogan 'defend rights for whites' with well-directed boots and fists. When the crunch comes, power is the product of force and will, not of rational debate".

And its clear to see that the BNP is opposed to what we call civilisation.

Why vote for thuggery and savagery?

Albo wrote:
Londonboy1: Well, good luck with being a racist and all that. A vote for the BNP is a vote for scumbags who think nothing of insulting the very British people they claim to be supporting.

Did i say anywhere that i was going to vote B.N.P
and there is a big difference between being a racist and being a loyalist who was proud to be British. This country has gone to the dogs and the main cause is immigration.

londonboy1 wrote:

Albo wrote: Londonboy1: Well, good luck with being a racist and all that. A vote for the BNP is a vote for scumbags who think nothing of insulting the very British people they claim to be supporting.

Did i say anywhere that i was going to vote B.N.P and there is a big difference between being a racist and being a loyalist who was proud to be British. This country has gone to the dogs and the main cause is immigration.

Immigration? Really? Nothing to do with corrupt politicians or work shy British people who have turned claiming benefits into a career choice?

As for a place going to the dogs for the reasons you state I know many Portlanders that feel the same about Portland. Only their immigrants are Weymouth folk like me, Londoners and Midlanders etc. And they are just as wrong in their belief as you are.

Genghis wrote:

londonboy1 wrote:

Albo wrote: Londonboy1: Well, good luck with being a racist and all that. A vote for the BNP is a vote for scumbags who think nothing of insulting the very British people they claim to be supporting.

Did i say anywhere that i was going to vote B.N.P and there is a big difference between being a racist and being a loyalist who was proud to be British. This country has gone to the dogs and the main cause is immigration.

Immigration? Really? Nothing to do with corrupt politicians or work shy British people who have turned claiming benefits into a career choice? As for a place going to the dogs for the reasons you state I know many Portlanders that feel the same about Portland. Only their immigrants are Weymouth folk like me, Londoners and Midlanders etc. And they are just as wrong in their belief as you are.

I see your point but if I hadn't been forced out of London I would not be here now so it goes full circle the only difference is the interlopers we call immigrants. Our own people moving around the country makes no difference to the total population but if you bring in thousands and thousands of immigrants then you alter the whole balance of things. Why do you think we have such a housing shortage not to mention jobs, I have no argument with immigration but not on the scale that we have allowed not to mention the illegal immigrants. Also you were raised here and if I might be so bold as to say you have no idea about the impact that immigration has had on this country and I hope for your sake you never do.

I've lived in multi-cultural areas for many years and it has never caused me any problems.

This is not to say that there are no problems, there are problems everywhere and there's a range of ways of approaching them - you takes your choice.

And I've never been tempted to vote for racist thugs as a consequence.

There can be no excuse for voting for a party:

1. Whose founder John Tyndall was an associate of the London nailbomber / terrorist David Copeland.

2. Whose current leader (Griffin) has recently met with leaders of the Ku Klux Klan in the USA.

3. Whose deputy leader (Simon Darby) was recently greeted with nazi salutes at a rally in Italy.

Dodgy behaviour of the highest order and totally contrary to civilised values.

Q. Why vote BNP?

A. You'll get numpties like this in charge:

pickledpolitics.com/
archives/4702

londonboy1 wrote:

Genghis wrote:

londonboy1 wrote:

Albo wrote: Londonboy1: Well, good luck with being a racist and all that. A vote for the BNP is a vote for scumbags who think nothing of insulting the very British people they claim to be supporting.

Did i say anywhere that i was going to vote B.N.P and there is a big difference between being a racist and being a loyalist who was proud to be British. This country has gone to the dogs and the main cause is immigration.

Immigration? Really? Nothing to do with corrupt politicians or work shy British people who have turned claiming benefits into a career choice? As for a place going to the dogs for the reasons you state I know many Portlanders that feel the same about Portland. Only their immigrants are Weymouth folk like me, Londoners and Midlanders etc. And they are just as wrong in their belief as you are.

I see your point but if I hadn't been forced out of London I would not be here now so it goes full circle the only difference is the interlopers we call immigrants. Our own people moving around the country makes no difference to the total population but if you bring in thousands and thousands of immigrants then you alter the whole balance of things. Why do you think we have such a housing shortage not to mention jobs, I have no argument with immigration but not on the scale that we have allowed not to mention the illegal immigrants. Also you were raised here and if I might be so bold as to say you have no idea about the impact that immigration has had on this country and I hope for your sake you never do.

Our people? That's the point I was making. In areas all round the country local folk feel just as strongly about the intrusion of "our people" from elsewhere in the UK. Funnily enough top of the complaints attributed to "our people" are increases in crime and lack of housing due to "our people" moving down here or buying holiday/second homes.

Then we have to define "our people." Like it has been pointed out already "our people" are a mix of numerous waves of immigration into this country.

As for me what do I know about immigration? After all I'm only Weymouth born and bred. I do have family in Bristol and London though and I also have relatives of mixed race. Does that make them "not of our people?" Even though they have more knowledge of British history than the BNP and also a greater respect for their fellow British/English citizens.

I also have relatives of mixed race. Does that make them "not of our people?" Says it all no wonder you are so bias.

londonboy1 wrote:
I also have relatives of mixed race. Does that make them "not of our people?" Says it all no wonder you are so bias.

I've always been strongly against extreme right politics regardless of family so yes I am biased and just to clarify I'm also not a great supporter of Stalin and Soviet style fascism either. This country has a problem with immigration and it's own identity - for me, I'm English not British. But you won't find the solution to these problems on the soles or toecaps of a fascist's boots or through mindless racial stereotyping. That was tried in 1930's Germany and we all know where that led. A solution needs to be found but it will only be found working with all the people and not by packaging them up in little bundles of those who are acceptable and those who aren't.

Genghis wrote:

londonboy1 wrote: I also have relatives of mixed race. Does that make them "not of our people?" Says it all no wonder you are so bias.

I've always been strongly against extreme right politics regardless of family so yes I am biased and just to clarify I'm also not a great supporter of Stalin and Soviet style fascism either. This country has a problem with immigration and it's own identity - for me, I'm English not British. But you won't find the solution to these problems on the soles or toecaps of a fascist's boots or through mindless racial stereotyping. That was tried in 1930's Germany and we all know where that led. A solution needs to be found but it will only be found working with all the people and not by packaging them up in little bundles of those who are acceptable and those who aren't.

While i have no objections to immigrants as a whole my problem and i think also large proportion of the population is the fact that some will not integrate into our society in anyway shape or form and they congregate into their own ghettos, whole areas where everybody and everything is of their culture, every shop every cinema etc.etc. I personally had a family of Pakistani’s as next door neighbours and only the children and their father could speak any English the mother and her parents could not speak any English and had no desire too despite being in this country for several years, and they are by no means unusual as i am sure you well know. It’s not a question of colour or race as i have had at different times people of all origins working for me.
I am glad that you do except that we have a problem but by making all sorts of exceptions for immigrants all it does is to alienate the indigenous Brits even more, teachers wearing the full veil policemen in turbans the list is endless not to mention the thought of becoming a Muslim state. The only way we can fix the problem is a bit of give and take on all sides but as things are its all give on our side and all take on theirs. The idea of funeral pyres in the U.K is obscene to say the least, all immigrants black brown or any colour you like have to except that this is the U.K not Bangladesh with benefits.

A bit of common ground then. I'm certainly not in favour of unlimited immigration. I also think that integration is a two way process and that newcomers to the country should at least speak the language. If not lessons should be provided not only on the language but the history and culture of this country.

As to religion my personal feeling is that should be a personal thing and shouldn't be allowed to have a say in the running of the country.Don't matter what the religion Christianity, Islam or whatever. I'd go even further and remove all the bishops and religious appointees from the House of Lords but that's another story.

The BNP and their (deluded)supporters in all their guises, are essentially a bunch of ignorant @rses.