Life sentence handed to Carol Kemp for murder of Martin Rusling

Dorset Echo: Carol Kemp Carol Kemp

A WOMAN has been handed a life sentence for murdering a ‘kind and gentle’ man.

Carol Kemp shook in the dock as she was found guilty of murdering her partner Martin Rusling, 44, who she met on a dating website.

Sentencing, Mrs Justice Linda Dobbs said Kemp would serve a minimum term of 13 years.

She told her: “You thought you had found someone you loved who treated you well.

“You gave evidence on what a kind person Martin was.

“The statement from his sister confirms what a kind and gentle person he was, always trying to help people.

“You have to live with the knowledge that you killed the person you professed to love.”

A jury at Winchester Crown Court found Kemp, 45, of Torquay, Devon guilty of murder following a four-day trial.

She stabbed Mr Rusling through the heart with a kitchen knife in the early hours of December 28 after a row about her moving in with him. Kemp, originally from Burnley, Lancashire, denied charges of murdering and unlawfully killing Mr Rusling.

The couple met on an internet dating website in spring 2011 and spent Christmas together at Mr Rusling’s home in Park Road, Easton.

Mr Rusling, who grew up in Weymouth, worked as a laminator for Tods Aerospace Defence, in Wide Street, Portland.

The court previously heard that Kemp had a history of self-harm and had been in abusive relationships. Kemp claimed that Mr Rusling was stabbed ‘accidentally’ when he grabbed the kitchen knife that she said she was trying to kill herself with.

Mrs Justice Dobbs said: “The jury heard you give evidence and rejected your evidence.

“There’s evidence of some violence and a struggle. On your own admission you pulled Mr Rusling’s neck chain and he had scratches all over his face which suggests that violence was used. There was some kind of tussle.

“The court finds that you picked up the knife and used it.

“I do not accept the submission that you picked up the knife to use on yourself.”

Kemp’s personal circumstances were taken into account when deciding her sentence, Mrs Justice Dobbs said.

She said: “You’ve been in care since the age of six. You had to give your children away and you’ve been prescribed anti-psychotic medications.

“You have vulnerabilities and found it hard to keep up with the demands of real life.

“Meeting someone like Martin Rusling gave you hope, perhaps false hope, of a life of normality.” Mrs Justice Dobbs told the court a report by a consultant psychiatrist found that Kemp had borderline personality disorder, adjustment disorder, suffered from depression and there was evidence to suggest emotional personality disorder.

The court heard Kemp will serve a minimum of 13 years in jail based on the 150 days she has already spent on remand.

Stabbed in a 'moment of rage'

Following the verdict, District Crown Prosecutor for CPS Wessex, Richard Oakley said: “Carol Kemp killed Martin Rusling by stabbing him through his heart in a moment of rage.

“The defendant when arrested initially told the police that she did not mean to kill him and appeared to take responsibility for Mr Rusling’s injuries.

“She maintained this version for two days and then gave a new statement where she said that Mr Rusling was accidentally stabbed while he tried to stop her committing suicide.

“The jury today, after hearing both the prosecution and the defence case was satisfied that Kemp had intended to kill Mr Rusling.”

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10:26am Wed 30 May 12

Laughing gnome says...

Life sentence..... 13 years ? Martin's family are the ones doing life. Not her. Hope she is treated well inside. NOT !!
Life sentence..... 13 years ? Martin's family are the ones doing life. Not her. Hope she is treated well inside. NOT !! Laughing gnome
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11:07am Wed 30 May 12

EccentricmanG says...

An absolutely abysmal sentence. It's about time the so called justice system actually threw out some proper justice.
An absolutely abysmal sentence. It's about time the so called justice system actually threw out some proper justice. EccentricmanG
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11:33am Wed 30 May 12

Micke12 says...

Yet now we have Government minsters and Prison Reform Trust do-gooders saying that they should close womens prisons and use community sentences instead.

What statement does that send to people, both in the prison system and the public at large. It says that women are to be treated differently to men because they are women, and that in my mind is sexual discrimination. If this idea gets the nod through Parliament, then I can see a lot of men appealing their sentences on the basis of sexual discrimination.

There is no doubt that women can and do commit the same crimes committed by men, and in the main the results are just as horrific for the victims.

If women can, and do, commit the same crimes as their male counterparts, there is no reason why they should be treated any differently.

Murder is murder, fraud is fraud, burglary is burglary, the list goes on, but they are all the same crimes, whether man or woman. Justice is supposed to be equal in law, but if these people get their way, it will be one kind of justice for men, and a different kind for women - that can not be right, either on the basis of equality of the sexes or in equality in law. You do the crime, you do the time, be it man or woman.

As for Carol Kemp, I think that compared to some of the tariffs these judges give out, this was quite substantial, but it is true that Martin's family and friends will suffer the consequences of this murder for the rest of their lives, but I hope that time will, as usual, be a great healer, but be assured that our thoughts will be with you, not with this murderer. I never knew Martin, but from what I understand, he was a man worth knowing, so may you Rest In Peace, knowing that this woman at the very least has been brought to justice, no matter how much we may feel the sentence is not enough, at least she did not get away scot free.

Let us also remember, that the 13 years stated by the judge is the absolute minimum this evil woman will serve incarcerated. From experience in the prison system, I suspect she is more likely to serve some 16 years before the parole board say that she should be released on licence, a licence that will be valid for the rest of her natural life, so even when she gets out, she will be at risk of going back to prison if she so much as sneezes the wrong way, and a lifer return to custody, is usually no less than five years.

I know all this legal garbage may well change before the time she is considered for release, but that is something we need to tackle the politicians about. If, like me, you believe the justice system is too soft in this country, join me and write to your MP. If the public don't tell MPs things, then nothing gets done, although I understand that most MPs do what they want, not what their constituents want, but at least you have registered your displeasure at what they have done, and if they do not do as the public want them to, you can always vote them out.

I think we all agree that over the last 30 years, justice in this country has become a joke. Let us do something about it, but remember to stay within the bounds of decency and within the law.
Yet now we have Government minsters and Prison Reform Trust do-gooders saying that they should close womens prisons and use community sentences instead. What statement does that send to people, both in the prison system and the public at large. It says that women are to be treated differently to men because they are women, and that in my mind is sexual discrimination. If this idea gets the nod through Parliament, then I can see a lot of men appealing their sentences on the basis of sexual discrimination. There is no doubt that women can and do commit the same crimes committed by men, and in the main the results are just as horrific for the victims. If women can, and do, commit the same crimes as their male counterparts, there is no reason why they should be treated any differently. Murder is murder, fraud is fraud, burglary is burglary, the list goes on, but they are all the same crimes, whether man or woman. Justice is supposed to be equal in law, but if these people get their way, it will be one kind of justice for men, and a different kind for women - that can not be right, either on the basis of equality of the sexes or in equality in law. You do the crime, you do the time, be it man or woman. As for Carol Kemp, I think that compared to some of the tariffs these judges give out, this was quite substantial, but it is true that Martin's family and friends will suffer the consequences of this murder for the rest of their lives, but I hope that time will, as usual, be a great healer, but be assured that our thoughts will be with you, not with this murderer. I never knew Martin, but from what I understand, he was a man worth knowing, so may you Rest In Peace, knowing that this woman at the very least has been brought to justice, no matter how much we may feel the sentence is not enough, at least she did not get away scot free. Let us also remember, that the 13 years stated by the judge is the absolute minimum this evil woman will serve incarcerated. From experience in the prison system, I suspect she is more likely to serve some 16 years before the parole board say that she should be released on licence, a licence that will be valid for the rest of her natural life, so even when she gets out, she will be at risk of going back to prison if she so much as sneezes the wrong way, and a lifer return to custody, is usually no less than five years. I know all this legal garbage may well change before the time she is considered for release, but that is something we need to tackle the politicians about. If, like me, you believe the justice system is too soft in this country, join me and write to your MP. If the public don't tell MPs things, then nothing gets done, although I understand that most MPs do what they want, not what their constituents want, but at least you have registered your displeasure at what they have done, and if they do not do as the public want them to, you can always vote them out. I think we all agree that over the last 30 years, justice in this country has become a joke. Let us do something about it, but remember to stay within the bounds of decency and within the law. Micke12
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12:23pm Wed 30 May 12

shabba1979 says...

Wow how harsh you all are to say you only know what you have read, how about the lack of support with her learning disability, mental health conditions and years of abusive and traumatic stress, how about the consideration that this was perhaps a tradic situation of society making,
Wow how harsh you all are to say you only know what you have read, how about the lack of support with her learning disability, mental health conditions and years of abusive and traumatic stress, how about the consideration that this was perhaps a tradic situation of society making, shabba1979
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12:36pm Wed 30 May 12

FooWoo says...

shabba1979 wrote:
Wow how harsh you all are to say you only know what you have read, how about the lack of support with her learning disability, mental health conditions and years of abusive and traumatic stress, how about the consideration that this was perhaps a tradic situation of society making,
Who cares about her life story. Sounds like she should have been in prison a long time ago to protect us. Hope she has fun in there!
[quote][p][bold]shabba1979[/bold] wrote: Wow how harsh you all are to say you only know what you have read, how about the lack of support with her learning disability, mental health conditions and years of abusive and traumatic stress, how about the consideration that this was perhaps a tradic situation of society making,[/p][/quote]Who cares about her life story. Sounds like she should have been in prison a long time ago to protect us. Hope she has fun in there! FooWoo
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12:49pm Wed 30 May 12

YerTisThsUn says...

On a lighter note you can see why he didn't want to make the relationship permanent can't you.
Being serious life should mean lie unless your a 'jonny foreigner' then you should be deported and kept in your mother country's Prison's
On a lighter note you can see why he didn't want to make the relationship permanent can't you. Being serious life should mean lie unless your a 'jonny foreigner' then you should be deported and kept in your mother country's Prison's YerTisThsUn
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12:50pm Wed 30 May 12

ian king says...

Micke12 wrote:
Yet now we have Government minsters and Prison Reform Trust do-gooders saying that they should close womens prisons and use community sentences instead.

What statement does that send to people, both in the prison system and the public at large. It says that women are to be treated differently to men because they are women, and that in my mind is sexual discrimination. If this idea gets the nod through Parliament, then I can see a lot of men appealing their sentences on the basis of sexual discrimination.

There is no doubt that women can and do commit the same crimes committed by men, and in the main the results are just as horrific for the victims.

If women can, and do, commit the same crimes as their male counterparts, there is no reason why they should be treated any differently.

Murder is murder, fraud is fraud, burglary is burglary, the list goes on, but they are all the same crimes, whether man or woman. Justice is supposed to be equal in law, but if these people get their way, it will be one kind of justice for men, and a different kind for women - that can not be right, either on the basis of equality of the sexes or in equality in law. You do the crime, you do the time, be it man or woman.

As for Carol Kemp, I think that compared to some of the tariffs these judges give out, this was quite substantial, but it is true that Martin's family and friends will suffer the consequences of this murder for the rest of their lives, but I hope that time will, as usual, be a great healer, but be assured that our thoughts will be with you, not with this murderer. I never knew Martin, but from what I understand, he was a man worth knowing, so may you Rest In Peace, knowing that this woman at the very least has been brought to justice, no matter how much we may feel the sentence is not enough, at least she did not get away scot free.

Let us also remember, that the 13 years stated by the judge is the absolute minimum this evil woman will serve incarcerated. From experience in the prison system, I suspect she is more likely to serve some 16 years before the parole board say that she should be released on licence, a licence that will be valid for the rest of her natural life, so even when she gets out, she will be at risk of going back to prison if she so much as sneezes the wrong way, and a lifer return to custody, is usually no less than five years.

I know all this legal garbage may well change before the time she is considered for release, but that is something we need to tackle the politicians about. If, like me, you believe the justice system is too soft in this country, join me and write to your MP. If the public don't tell MPs things, then nothing gets done, although I understand that most MPs do what they want, not what their constituents want, but at least you have registered your displeasure at what they have done, and if they do not do as the public want them to, you can always vote them out.

I think we all agree that over the last 30 years, justice in this country has become a joke. Let us do something about it, but remember to stay within the bounds of decency and within the law.
An excellent comment.
[quote][p][bold]Micke12[/bold] wrote: Yet now we have Government minsters and Prison Reform Trust do-gooders saying that they should close womens prisons and use community sentences instead. What statement does that send to people, both in the prison system and the public at large. It says that women are to be treated differently to men because they are women, and that in my mind is sexual discrimination. If this idea gets the nod through Parliament, then I can see a lot of men appealing their sentences on the basis of sexual discrimination. There is no doubt that women can and do commit the same crimes committed by men, and in the main the results are just as horrific for the victims. If women can, and do, commit the same crimes as their male counterparts, there is no reason why they should be treated any differently. Murder is murder, fraud is fraud, burglary is burglary, the list goes on, but they are all the same crimes, whether man or woman. Justice is supposed to be equal in law, but if these people get their way, it will be one kind of justice for men, and a different kind for women - that can not be right, either on the basis of equality of the sexes or in equality in law. You do the crime, you do the time, be it man or woman. As for Carol Kemp, I think that compared to some of the tariffs these judges give out, this was quite substantial, but it is true that Martin's family and friends will suffer the consequences of this murder for the rest of their lives, but I hope that time will, as usual, be a great healer, but be assured that our thoughts will be with you, not with this murderer. I never knew Martin, but from what I understand, he was a man worth knowing, so may you Rest In Peace, knowing that this woman at the very least has been brought to justice, no matter how much we may feel the sentence is not enough, at least she did not get away scot free. Let us also remember, that the 13 years stated by the judge is the absolute minimum this evil woman will serve incarcerated. From experience in the prison system, I suspect she is more likely to serve some 16 years before the parole board say that she should be released on licence, a licence that will be valid for the rest of her natural life, so even when she gets out, she will be at risk of going back to prison if she so much as sneezes the wrong way, and a lifer return to custody, is usually no less than five years. I know all this legal garbage may well change before the time she is considered for release, but that is something we need to tackle the politicians about. If, like me, you believe the justice system is too soft in this country, join me and write to your MP. If the public don't tell MPs things, then nothing gets done, although I understand that most MPs do what they want, not what their constituents want, but at least you have registered your displeasure at what they have done, and if they do not do as the public want them to, you can always vote them out. I think we all agree that over the last 30 years, justice in this country has become a joke. Let us do something about it, but remember to stay within the bounds of decency and within the law.[/p][/quote]An excellent comment. ian king
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12:52pm Wed 30 May 12

ian king says...

shabba1979 wrote:
Wow how harsh you all are to say you only know what you have read, how about the lack of support with her learning disability, mental health conditions and years of abusive and traumatic stress, how about the consideration that this was perhaps a tradic situation of society making,
I doubt you would say the same if this had been a Man who had just met a woman on the internet then stabbed her?
[quote][p][bold]shabba1979[/bold] wrote: Wow how harsh you all are to say you only know what you have read, how about the lack of support with her learning disability, mental health conditions and years of abusive and traumatic stress, how about the consideration that this was perhaps a tradic situation of society making,[/p][/quote]I doubt you would say the same if this had been a Man who had just met a woman on the internet then stabbed her? ian king
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2:07pm Wed 30 May 12

ian king says...

Rather disappointing though of course not unexpected, that the Echo fail (again) to position this as a domestic violence issue, when a man is the victim.

No helpline or website information for male victims? No "real" statistics quoted from Men's groups or independent sources?

These videos may help shed light on such matters.

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=HO5kLprp3
Qg

In the meantime Men who are, or think they are suffering from domestic abuse of any kind can contact:

www.mankind.org.uk
01823 334244
Rather disappointing though of course not unexpected, that the Echo fail (again) to position this as a domestic violence issue, when a man is the victim. No helpline or website information for male victims? No "real" statistics quoted from Men's groups or independent sources? These videos may help shed light on such matters. http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=HO5kLprp3 Qg In the meantime Men who are, or think they are suffering from domestic abuse of any kind can contact: www.mankind.org.uk 01823 334244 ian king
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3:51pm Wed 30 May 12

Lizzy Bennett says...

She was supposed to be on anti=psychotic drugs - what a joke 'care in the community'
turned out to be, many of these people need the proper medical attention amd SUPERVISION given in hospitals, its not fair on the community at large to have such dangerous people moving freely amongst us.
To that extent, Shabba
is right - this is a government failure.
REVOKE 'Care in the Community' for those on psychotic drugs NOW! It doesnt work and innocent people get killed.
She was supposed to be on anti=psychotic drugs - what a joke 'care in the community' turned out to be, many of these people need the proper medical attention amd SUPERVISION given in hospitals, its not fair on the community at large to have such dangerous people moving freely amongst us. To that extent, Shabba is right - this is a government failure. REVOKE 'Care in the Community' for those on psychotic drugs NOW! It doesnt work and innocent people get killed. Lizzy Bennett
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4:15pm Wed 30 May 12

ian king says...

Lizzy Bennett wrote:
She was supposed to be on anti=psychotic drugs - what a joke 'care in the community'
turned out to be, many of these people need the proper medical attention amd SUPERVISION given in hospitals, its not fair on the community at large to have such dangerous people moving freely amongst us.
To that extent, Shabba
is right - this is a government failure.
REVOKE 'Care in the Community' for those on psychotic drugs NOW! It doesnt work and innocent people get killed.
Lizzy, she has been in "care" since age Six, it is the very people you say should be looking after such people, that I would suggest created the person she is in the first place.
[quote][p][bold]Lizzy Bennett[/bold] wrote: She was supposed to be on anti=psychotic drugs - what a joke 'care in the community' turned out to be, many of these people need the proper medical attention amd SUPERVISION given in hospitals, its not fair on the community at large to have such dangerous people moving freely amongst us. To that extent, Shabba is right - this is a government failure. REVOKE 'Care in the Community' for those on psychotic drugs NOW! It doesnt work and innocent people get killed.[/p][/quote]Lizzy, she has been in "care" since age Six, it is the very people you say should be looking after such people, that I would suggest created the person she is in the first place. ian king
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4:35pm Wed 30 May 12

whatever66 says...

shabba1979 wrote:
Wow how harsh you all are to say you only know what you have read, how about the lack of support with her learning disability, mental health conditions and years of abusive and traumatic stress, how about the consideration that this was perhaps a tradic situation of society making,
i have been in abusive relationships for over 20 years and i can assure you i would never dream of stabbing anyone she is responsible for her own actions just as my previous was for theres.... all said i hope she rots
[quote][p][bold]shabba1979[/bold] wrote: Wow how harsh you all are to say you only know what you have read, how about the lack of support with her learning disability, mental health conditions and years of abusive and traumatic stress, how about the consideration that this was perhaps a tradic situation of society making,[/p][/quote]i have been in abusive relationships for over 20 years and i can assure you i would never dream of stabbing anyone she is responsible for her own actions just as my previous was for theres.... all said i hope she rots whatever66
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4:41pm Wed 30 May 12

Genghis says...

Lizzy Bennett wrote:
She was supposed to be on anti=psychotic drugs - what a joke 'care in the community'
turned out to be, many of these people need the proper medical attention amd SUPERVISION given in hospitals, its not fair on the community at large to have such dangerous people moving freely amongst us.
To that extent, Shabba
is right - this is a government failure.
REVOKE 'Care in the Community' for those on psychotic drugs NOW! It doesnt work and innocent people get killed.
Bit of a sweeping generalisation there Lizzy Bennett. Not everybody, and I would say not even the vast majority of people, prescribed anti-psychotic medication are a danger to those around them. I was prescribed them for a while and I have never harmed anybody else or even had thoughts of harming others. Perhaps more attention should be taken to specific cases and patient requirements rather than a blanket internment of all people on this type of medication.
[quote][p][bold]Lizzy Bennett[/bold] wrote: She was supposed to be on anti=psychotic drugs - what a joke 'care in the community' turned out to be, many of these people need the proper medical attention amd SUPERVISION given in hospitals, its not fair on the community at large to have such dangerous people moving freely amongst us. To that extent, Shabba is right - this is a government failure. REVOKE 'Care in the Community' for those on psychotic drugs NOW! It doesnt work and innocent people get killed.[/p][/quote]Bit of a sweeping generalisation there Lizzy Bennett. Not everybody, and I would say not even the vast majority of people, prescribed anti-psychotic medication are a danger to those around them. I was prescribed them for a while and I have never harmed anybody else or even had thoughts of harming others. Perhaps more attention should be taken to specific cases and patient requirements rather than a blanket internment of all people on this type of medication. Genghis
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9:31pm Wed 30 May 12

Micke12 says...

ian king wrote:
Micke12 wrote:
Yet now we have Government minsters and Prison Reform Trust do-gooders saying that they should close womens prisons and use community sentences instead.

What statement does that send to people, both in the prison system and the public at large. It says that women are to be treated differently to men because they are women, and that in my mind is sexual discrimination. If this idea gets the nod through Parliament, then I can see a lot of men appealing their sentences on the basis of sexual discrimination.

There is no doubt that women can and do commit the same crimes committed by men, and in the main the results are just as horrific for the victims.

If women can, and do, commit the same crimes as their male counterparts, there is no reason why they should be treated any differently.

Murder is murder, fraud is fraud, burglary is burglary, the list goes on, but they are all the same crimes, whether man or woman. Justice is supposed to be equal in law, but if these people get their way, it will be one kind of justice for men, and a different kind for women - that can not be right, either on the basis of equality of the sexes or in equality in law. You do the crime, you do the time, be it man or woman.

As for Carol Kemp, I think that compared to some of the tariffs these judges give out, this was quite substantial, but it is true that Martin's family and friends will suffer the consequences of this murder for the rest of their lives, but I hope that time will, as usual, be a great healer, but be assured that our thoughts will be with you, not with this murderer. I never knew Martin, but from what I understand, he was a man worth knowing, so may you Rest In Peace, knowing that this woman at the very least has been brought to justice, no matter how much we may feel the sentence is not enough, at least she did not get away scot free.

Let us also remember, that the 13 years stated by the judge is the absolute minimum this evil woman will serve incarcerated. From experience in the prison system, I suspect she is more likely to serve some 16 years before the parole board say that she should be released on licence, a licence that will be valid for the rest of her natural life, so even when she gets out, she will be at risk of going back to prison if she so much as sneezes the wrong way, and a lifer return to custody, is usually no less than five years.

I know all this legal garbage may well change before the time she is considered for release, but that is something we need to tackle the politicians about. If, like me, you believe the justice system is too soft in this country, join me and write to your MP. If the public don't tell MPs things, then nothing gets done, although I understand that most MPs do what they want, not what their constituents want, but at least you have registered your displeasure at what they have done, and if they do not do as the public want them to, you can always vote them out.

I think we all agree that over the last 30 years, justice in this country has become a joke. Let us do something about it, but remember to stay within the bounds of decency and within the law.
An excellent comment.
Thanks Ian.
[quote][p][bold]ian king[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Micke12[/bold] wrote: Yet now we have Government minsters and Prison Reform Trust do-gooders saying that they should close womens prisons and use community sentences instead. What statement does that send to people, both in the prison system and the public at large. It says that women are to be treated differently to men because they are women, and that in my mind is sexual discrimination. If this idea gets the nod through Parliament, then I can see a lot of men appealing their sentences on the basis of sexual discrimination. There is no doubt that women can and do commit the same crimes committed by men, and in the main the results are just as horrific for the victims. If women can, and do, commit the same crimes as their male counterparts, there is no reason why they should be treated any differently. Murder is murder, fraud is fraud, burglary is burglary, the list goes on, but they are all the same crimes, whether man or woman. Justice is supposed to be equal in law, but if these people get their way, it will be one kind of justice for men, and a different kind for women - that can not be right, either on the basis of equality of the sexes or in equality in law. You do the crime, you do the time, be it man or woman. As for Carol Kemp, I think that compared to some of the tariffs these judges give out, this was quite substantial, but it is true that Martin's family and friends will suffer the consequences of this murder for the rest of their lives, but I hope that time will, as usual, be a great healer, but be assured that our thoughts will be with you, not with this murderer. I never knew Martin, but from what I understand, he was a man worth knowing, so may you Rest In Peace, knowing that this woman at the very least has been brought to justice, no matter how much we may feel the sentence is not enough, at least she did not get away scot free. Let us also remember, that the 13 years stated by the judge is the absolute minimum this evil woman will serve incarcerated. From experience in the prison system, I suspect she is more likely to serve some 16 years before the parole board say that she should be released on licence, a licence that will be valid for the rest of her natural life, so even when she gets out, she will be at risk of going back to prison if she so much as sneezes the wrong way, and a lifer return to custody, is usually no less than five years. I know all this legal garbage may well change before the time she is considered for release, but that is something we need to tackle the politicians about. If, like me, you believe the justice system is too soft in this country, join me and write to your MP. If the public don't tell MPs things, then nothing gets done, although I understand that most MPs do what they want, not what their constituents want, but at least you have registered your displeasure at what they have done, and if they do not do as the public want them to, you can always vote them out. I think we all agree that over the last 30 years, justice in this country has become a joke. Let us do something about it, but remember to stay within the bounds of decency and within the law.[/p][/quote]An excellent comment.[/p][/quote]Thanks Ian. Micke12
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6:30am Thu 31 May 12

TenBobDylanThomasHardy says...

As I commented elsewhere a comparison with Elliot Turner is interesting. He also got Life,(minimum 16 yrs) but pleaded not-guilty, lied to the court, perverted the course of justice and his 'witnesses' were complicit. At least Carol Kemp showed some remorse.
As I commented elsewhere a comparison with Elliot Turner is interesting. He also got Life,(minimum 16 yrs) but pleaded not-guilty, lied to the court, perverted the course of justice and his 'witnesses' were complicit. At least Carol Kemp showed some remorse. TenBobDylanThomasHardy
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10:43am Thu 31 May 12

ian king says...

TenBobDylanThomasHar
dy
wrote:
As I commented elsewhere a comparison with Elliot Turner is interesting. He also got Life,(minimum 16 yrs) but pleaded not-guilty, lied to the court, perverted the course of justice and his 'witnesses' were complicit. At least Carol Kemp showed some remorse.
http://www.dailymail
.co.uk/news/article-
2151517/Jailed-Saman
tha-Brown-posts-glam
orous-Facebook-photo
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It's bad enough women are sentenced far less than men for the same crimes in general which is an outrage and completely discriminating, but more attractive females seem to get even less. In this case a pathetic 5 years and why let out on day release after only 2 ?
[quote][p][bold]TenBobDylanThomasHar dy[/bold] wrote: As I commented elsewhere a comparison with Elliot Turner is interesting. He also got Life,(minimum 16 yrs) but pleaded not-guilty, lied to the court, perverted the course of justice and his 'witnesses' were complicit. At least Carol Kemp showed some remorse.[/p][/quote]http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2151517/Jailed-Saman tha-Brown-posts-glam orous-Facebook-photo -day-release.html It's bad enough women are sentenced far less than men for the same crimes in general which is an outrage and completely discriminating, but more attractive females seem to get even less. In this case a pathetic 5 years and why let out on day release after only 2 ? ian king
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11:13am Thu 31 May 12

ian king says...

" Ministers plan to slash the number of women sent to prison amid complaints that women behind bars are exposed to increased risks of mental illness, self-harm and even suicide. "

This, one presumes, is because the current misandry/feminist contaminated Governments and depts of law don't think Men are human beings and of course never suffer from such problems? A crime is a crime, Gender should never come into it let alone be a platform for such pathetic excuses.

Oh BTW Micke12 I wouldn't waste your time writing to Richard Drax, he is a dishonest coward of a man who does not believe in justice with equity. He is however happy to turn a blind eye to the serious abuse of children by women and criminal behaviour by people in his own local council assisting it, that will all come out later ;-)
" Ministers plan to slash the number of women sent to prison amid complaints that women behind bars are exposed to increased risks of mental illness, self-harm and even suicide. " This, one presumes, is because the current misandry/feminist contaminated Governments and depts of law don't think Men are human beings and of course never suffer from such problems? A crime is a crime, Gender should never come into it let alone be a platform for such pathetic excuses. Oh BTW Micke12 I wouldn't waste your time writing to Richard Drax, he is a dishonest coward of a man who does not believe in justice with equity. He is however happy to turn a blind eye to the serious abuse of children by women and criminal behaviour by people in his own local council assisting it, that will all come out later ;-) ian king
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2:20pm Thu 31 May 12

Micke12 says...

ian king wrote:
" Ministers plan to slash the number of women sent to prison amid complaints that women behind bars are exposed to increased risks of mental illness, self-harm and even suicide. "

This, one presumes, is because the current misandry/feminist contaminated Governments and depts of law don't think Men are human beings and of course never suffer from such problems? A crime is a crime, Gender should never come into it let alone be a platform for such pathetic excuses.

Oh BTW Micke12 I wouldn't waste your time writing to Richard Drax, he is a dishonest coward of a man who does not believe in justice with equity. He is however happy to turn a blind eye to the serious abuse of children by women and criminal behaviour by people in his own local council assisting it, that will all come out later ;-)
Whats this about Drax then Ian. Have I missed something along the way. Only tell me though if it is no defamatory. Don't want to give any MP the chance to sue us or the Echo. Thanks
[quote][p][bold]ian king[/bold] wrote: " Ministers plan to slash the number of women sent to prison amid complaints that women behind bars are exposed to increased risks of mental illness, self-harm and even suicide. " This, one presumes, is because the current misandry/feminist contaminated Governments and depts of law don't think Men are human beings and of course never suffer from such problems? A crime is a crime, Gender should never come into it let alone be a platform for such pathetic excuses. Oh BTW Micke12 I wouldn't waste your time writing to Richard Drax, he is a dishonest coward of a man who does not believe in justice with equity. He is however happy to turn a blind eye to the serious abuse of children by women and criminal behaviour by people in his own local council assisting it, that will all come out later ;-)[/p][/quote]Whats this about Drax then Ian. Have I missed something along the way. Only tell me though if it is no defamatory. Don't want to give any MP the chance to sue us or the Echo. Thanks Micke12
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3:05pm Thu 31 May 12

Lizzy Bennett says...

yes Genghis, yr right, I shouldnt have made such a sweeping generalisation, and I apologise.. But we had experience of someone in our extended family who needed medication and, thanks to 'Care in the Community', was released from hospital and then refused point balnk to take his medication and caused havoc around him. Some people forget to take their medication.
More care should be taken on individual cases, there are too many stories of people being released from hospital and then going on to kill someone.
Also, I would suggest that a l;arge proportion of the prison population are mentally ill and need hospital treatment and not prison.
yes Genghis, yr right, I shouldnt have made such a sweeping generalisation, and I apologise.. But we had experience of someone in our extended family who needed medication and, thanks to 'Care in the Community', was released from hospital and then refused point balnk to take his medication and caused havoc around him. Some people forget to take their medication. More care should be taken on individual cases, there are too many stories of people being released from hospital and then going on to kill someone. Also, I would suggest that a l;arge proportion of the prison population are mentally ill and need hospital treatment and not prison. Lizzy Bennett
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9:24pm Thu 31 May 12

ian king says...

Micke12, I am happy to take full responsibility for my comments and welcome any such action from Mr Drax.

I will however openly and publicly call him a dishonest man, an M.P who lied to a constituent in his own home when the welfare of vulnerable children, not to mention criminal behaviour by some members of his county council was at stake. The Conservative party were all too happy in an email to me when I confronted Jim knight in Weymouth and had a bit of a polite go at him, but Drax turned his back on a very serious matter once the votes were in, once he was elected. After all what do the little people matter once he has what he wants, right?

Any man who behaves like that in public office is unfit to be in it.
Micke12, I am happy to take full responsibility for my comments and welcome any such action from Mr Drax. I will however openly and publicly call him a dishonest man, an M.P who lied to a constituent in his own home when the welfare of vulnerable children, not to mention criminal behaviour by some members of his county council was at stake. The Conservative party were all too happy in an email to me when I confronted Jim knight in Weymouth and had a bit of a polite go at him, but Drax turned his back on a very serious matter once the votes were in, once he was elected. After all what do the little people matter once he has what he wants, right? Any man who behaves like that in public office is unfit to be in it. ian king
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10:22am Fri 1 Jun 12

Micke12 says...

ian king wrote:
Micke12, I am happy to take full responsibility for my comments and welcome any such action from Mr Drax.

I will however openly and publicly call him a dishonest man, an M.P who lied to a constituent in his own home when the welfare of vulnerable children, not to mention criminal behaviour by some members of his county council was at stake. The Conservative party were all too happy in an email to me when I confronted Jim knight in Weymouth and had a bit of a polite go at him, but Drax turned his back on a very serious matter once the votes were in, once he was elected. After all what do the little people matter once he has what he wants, right?

Any man who behaves like that in public office is unfit to be in it.
Call me stupid if you must Ian, but i am still at a loss to the background of this story. I must have missed this, if it was in the public domain.

I know all politicians are tossers once they get the vote, and kow-tow to people to get those votes, and I know Drax is a very wealthy man, but I do not recall seeing anything like this about him, so perhaps out of curiosity, you could either point me to a link, or, if you want, you can email it to me at bigbadmick@hotmail.c
o.uk.

Look forward to hearing about this.
[quote][p][bold]ian king[/bold] wrote: Micke12, I am happy to take full responsibility for my comments and welcome any such action from Mr Drax. I will however openly and publicly call him a dishonest man, an M.P who lied to a constituent in his own home when the welfare of vulnerable children, not to mention criminal behaviour by some members of his county council was at stake. The Conservative party were all too happy in an email to me when I confronted Jim knight in Weymouth and had a bit of a polite go at him, but Drax turned his back on a very serious matter once the votes were in, once he was elected. After all what do the little people matter once he has what he wants, right? Any man who behaves like that in public office is unfit to be in it.[/p][/quote]Call me stupid if you must Ian, but i am still at a loss to the background of this story. I must have missed this, if it was in the public domain. I know all politicians are tossers once they get the vote, and kow-tow to people to get those votes, and I know Drax is a very wealthy man, but I do not recall seeing anything like this about him, so perhaps out of curiosity, you could either point me to a link, or, if you want, you can email it to me at bigbadmick@hotmail.c o.uk. Look forward to hearing about this. Micke12
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1:17pm Fri 1 Jun 12

ian king says...

I am sure your not stupid Micke12. Much of the matter is "closed court" and also due to be subject to a substantial law suit against the Council in the near future. so I have to be careful not to interfere with that until the right time. To be honest unless you can do something about it, there is not much point in getting in touch with you on the matter.

Not sure if there is anything you can?
I am sure your not stupid Micke12. Much of the matter is "closed court" and also due to be subject to a substantial law suit against the Council in the near future. so I have to be careful not to interfere with that until the right time. To be honest unless you can do something about it, there is not much point in getting in touch with you on the matter. Not sure if there is anything you can? ian king
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5:50am Thu 21 Jun 12

LilyB85 says...

Who are any of you to judge Carol? Do any of you know her? In fact, how many of you even knew Martin, or who they were to each other?
How dare any of you pass judgement on people you know nothing about.
Before I continue, I would like to say that my heart goes out to Martins family; I know from personal experience that it isn't easy to lose a loved one, and in no way is this message meant to be an insult to them.
Everyone commenting on this article only knows what they've read, and I'm sure I don't need to tell anyone with half a brain that believing everything in the newspapers is rather ignorant.
I have known Carol for years, and while she may have unintentionally done wrong to poor Martin and his family, she doesn't deserve these horrible comments about her.
She is a sweet, funny and loving person. I wholeheartedly believe her version of events. This doesn't mean I think what happened was ok. A life was lost and while she may not have intended for this to happen she is accountable all the same.
Carol has been found guilty of murder. This is wrong. Murder involves premeditating to end someones life. Carol couldn't premeditate to go to the shop, let alone end a life.
Please think for a second... If you had a family member who viciously murdered someone, would you want anything to do with them any more? Carol has a huge and loving family. They, myself and anyone who has ever met her knows she isn't capable of the evil she is being blamed for.
A trial gives a person the right to be judged by a jury of their peers. The people who judged her were not her peers. They knew nothing about her. They knew nothing about Martin either.
SHAME ON ALL OF YOU for the way you have talked about a Mother/Daughter/sist
er/cousin/friend ect.
Who are any of you to judge Carol? Do any of you know her? In fact, how many of you even knew Martin, or who they were to each other? How dare any of you pass judgement on people you know nothing about. Before I continue, I would like to say that my heart goes out to Martins family; I know from personal experience that it isn't easy to lose a loved one, and in no way is this message meant to be an insult to them. Everyone commenting on this article only knows what they've read, and I'm sure I don't need to tell anyone with half a brain that believing everything in the newspapers is rather ignorant. I have known Carol for years, and while she may have unintentionally done wrong to poor Martin and his family, she doesn't deserve these horrible comments about her. She is a sweet, funny and loving person. I wholeheartedly believe her version of events. This doesn't mean I think what happened was ok. A life was lost and while she may not have intended for this to happen she is accountable all the same. Carol has been found guilty of murder. This is wrong. Murder involves premeditating to end someones life. Carol couldn't premeditate to go to the shop, let alone end a life. Please think for a second... If you had a family member who viciously murdered someone, would you want anything to do with them any more? Carol has a huge and loving family. They, myself and anyone who has ever met her knows she isn't capable of the evil she is being blamed for. A trial gives a person the right to be judged by a jury of their peers. The people who judged her were not her peers. They knew nothing about her. They knew nothing about Martin either. SHAME ON ALL OF YOU for the way you have talked about a Mother/Daughter/sist er/cousin/friend ect. LilyB85
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