Weymouth residents call for review of controversial harbour crossroads

‘DANGEROUS: A review of the harbour junction in Weymouth is being called for

Eddie Hawkins

First published in News by

CALLS were made today for an independent review into a controversial junction in Weymouth.

The town needs ‘reassurance’ the harbour crossroads at the bottom of Boot Hill is as safe as it can be, locals say.

Borough councillor Mike Byatt heard of drivers’ fears on a visit to the junction.

Mr Byatt said the recent tragedy in which teenager Lewis Monks was killed just yards from the junction has reinforced his view that an independent study is needed to examine the configuration of harbour crossroads and the traffic flows around it.

However, he said there was no suggestion the junction’s configuration played any part in the accident and said everyone must respect the ongoing investigation before making any rash judgements.

He is supporting concerns raised by Weymouth and Portland Hackney Carriage Association and is taking the issue up with the highways authority, Dorset County Council.

Coun Byatt, whose Westham East ward includes the junction, said: “For some time, there’s been disquiet about the configuration of the junction.

“A few weeks ago I visited the site to hear of concerns. I was told it was an accident waiting to happen and that drivers and pedestrians were at risk.

“Since then we have had a terrible tragedy, the cause of which is being investigated and I wouldn’t want to comment on that.

“But what I would say is that we need to be confident and have reassurance that the junction is safe and we need an independent survey to tell us that.

“Personally, I think the junction is confusing – people are hesitant when they use it.”

Committee member of the Hackney Carriage Association Eddie Hawkins described it as a ‘very dangerous junction’.

His concerns relate to visibility, location of crossings and traffic lights, and the fact the road narrows on the approach to the pedestrian crossing in Newstead Road.

Mr Hawkins said: “If the junction was a crossroads it would be fine but it isn’t, you have roads leading up to it at different angles.

“I call it kamikaze junction. Many people I know avoid it.

“It would be worse when the holidaymakers are here but the town is quiet.”

He added: “We need an independent assessment. Dorset County Council couldn’t do it because officers are not going to turn around and admit they’re wrong.”

Mr Hawkins is also concerned about other junctions in the town and says they all need looking at.

Park District resident Dave Burchill, who was involved in a minor collision at harbour crossroads, said: “It’s not working.

“Locals are avoiding it because it’s not safe. The whole system is ridiculous. It was supposed to stop the jams but there’s still long queues along Westwey Road, The Esplanade and King Street.”

Southill resident Ian Brooke, who raised objections to the new traffic scheme last year, said: “I don’t think harbour junction will ever work.

“I think the solution would be to put a roundabout in the middle with traffic lights controlling the flow of traffic using it.”

road designed as part of transport package

HARBOUR crossroads was constructed 18 months ago as part of the Weymouth Transport Package.

It was one of four junctions that used to be roundabouts and were converted into traffic light- controlled crossroads.

Safety fears were raised about the junction from day one with people complaining it was a ‘no man’s land’. Problems centred on which drivers have priority.

Dorset County Council was forced to make alterations in a bid to make it safer.

In response to the latest concerns the head of Dorset Highways Mike Winters said: “As part of highways management an independent team will undertake safety audits on all road designs, both during the design stages and once a new layout is in place.

“These safety audits were carried out at this junction, and any safety concerns identified were resolved during the process.”

He added: “As yet we haven’t received a letter from the taxi drivers’ association but we will be happy to discuss any concerns they have and, if necessary, work together to address them.”

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11:40am Tue 19 Jun 12

ManOnTheSilverMountain says...

I find it rather sad that Mr Byatt has to use the recent tragic incident as part of his fight about the junction.

Clearly it wasn't related. It was near, as are lots of things, but not related, it happened on Newstead road.

He frankly should be ashamed of himself for jumping on the bandwagon.
I find it rather sad that Mr Byatt has to use the recent tragic incident as part of his fight about the junction. Clearly it wasn't related. It was near, as are lots of things, but not related, it happened on Newstead road. He frankly should be ashamed of himself for jumping on the bandwagon. ManOnTheSilverMountain
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11:52am Tue 19 Jun 12

stench says...

ManOnTheSilverMounta
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I find it rather sad that Mr Byatt has to use the recent tragic incident as part of his fight about the junction. Clearly it wasn't related. It was near, as are lots of things, but not related, it happened on Newstead road. He frankly should be ashamed of himself for jumping on the bandwagon.
totally agree!
[quote][p][bold]ManOnTheSilverMounta in[/bold] wrote: I find it rather sad that Mr Byatt has to use the recent tragic incident as part of his fight about the junction. Clearly it wasn't related. It was near, as are lots of things, but not related, it happened on Newstead road. He frankly should be ashamed of himself for jumping on the bandwagon.[/p][/quote]totally agree! stench
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11:56am Tue 19 Jun 12

harpic says...

It isn't the cross roads it is the drivers that use it. I cycle, walk or ride a motorcycle through here regularly and not a problem. Most drivers are okay but some do not use indicators to signal a turn so no one knows where they are going and that is the problem. Fine the drivers not change the road lay out, foreigners seem to use it okay so...?
It isn't the cross roads it is the drivers that use it. I cycle, walk or ride a motorcycle through here regularly and not a problem. Most drivers are okay but some do not use indicators to signal a turn so no one knows where they are going and that is the problem. Fine the drivers not change the road lay out, foreigners seem to use it okay so...? harpic
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11:58am Tue 19 Jun 12

stench says...

harpic wrote:
It isn't the cross roads it is the drivers that use it. I cycle, walk or ride a motorcycle through here regularly and not a problem. Most drivers are okay but some do not use indicators to signal a turn so no one knows where they are going and that is the problem. Fine the drivers not change the road lay out, foreigners seem to use it okay so...?
haha, what a weird comment?

A dig at brits? where is your proff that all foreigners use it okay?

And if it can be made easier to use, even idiot proof, it should, at any cost, even if it prevents one death!
[quote][p][bold]harpic[/bold] wrote: It isn't the cross roads it is the drivers that use it. I cycle, walk or ride a motorcycle through here regularly and not a problem. Most drivers are okay but some do not use indicators to signal a turn so no one knows where they are going and that is the problem. Fine the drivers not change the road lay out, foreigners seem to use it okay so...?[/p][/quote]haha, what a weird comment? A dig at brits? where is your proff that all foreigners use it okay? And if it can be made easier to use, even idiot proof, it should, at any cost, even if it prevents one death! stench
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11:59am Tue 19 Jun 12

stench says...

*proof
*proof stench
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12:04pm Tue 19 Jun 12

scubadude says...

There is nothing wrong with this junction, people just don't like it because its not the roundabout they where used to and being a NIMBY is a requirement down here. If will cost US money in taxes to get it changed so better that its left alone and people Man-Up and learn the drive properly.
There is nothing wrong with this junction, people just don't like it because its not the roundabout they where used to and being a NIMBY is a requirement down here. If will cost US money in taxes to get it changed so better that its left alone and people Man-Up and learn the drive properly. scubadude
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12:11pm Tue 19 Jun 12

IDONTKNOWIFITISTRRUE says...

scubadude - a voice crying out in the wilderness?
scubadude - a voice crying out in the wilderness? IDONTKNOWIFITISTRRUE
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12:28pm Tue 19 Jun 12

maximan says...

Oh here we go... the "I'm a brilliant driver it's just everybody else brigade"...sorry do not get the argument with them..If just 10% of drivers struggle at this junction then it is no good...Some of the posters here believe themselves to be Stirling Moss, unfortunately the guy ploughing into their side is not.
Oh here we go... the "I'm a brilliant driver it's just everybody else brigade"...sorry do not get the argument with them..If just 10% of drivers struggle at this junction then it is no good...Some of the posters here believe themselves to be Stirling Moss, unfortunately the guy ploughing into their side is not. maximan
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12:38pm Tue 19 Jun 12

stench says...

maximan wrote:
Oh here we go... the "I'm a brilliant driver it's just everybody else brigade"...sorry do not get the argument with them..If just 10% of drivers struggle at this junction then it is no good...Some of the posters here believe themselves to be Stirling Moss, unfortunately the guy ploughing into their side is not.
that wouldnt be a problem for the 'brilliant driver', they're that good at driving they can avoid any ploughers :)
[quote][p][bold]maximan[/bold] wrote: Oh here we go... the "I'm a brilliant driver it's just everybody else brigade"...sorry do not get the argument with them..If just 10% of drivers struggle at this junction then it is no good...Some of the posters here believe themselves to be Stirling Moss, unfortunately the guy ploughing into their side is not.[/p][/quote]that wouldnt be a problem for the 'brilliant driver', they're that good at driving they can avoid any ploughers :) stench
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12:41pm Tue 19 Jun 12

YerTisThsUn says...

I personally don't have a problem with this Junction at all. I simply don't use it I go via Lanehouse when leaving for 'The North'. Also use it to come 'Back Down South. My Mrs use's it all the time with no problems but then she be one o' they professional driver's
I personally don't have a problem with this Junction at all. I simply don't use it I go via Lanehouse when leaving for 'The North'. Also use it to come 'Back Down South. My Mrs use's it all the time with no problems but then she be one o' they professional driver's YerTisThsUn
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12:53pm Tue 19 Jun 12

RyanAlex says...

I first used this during a driving lesson. I did not need to communicate with my instructor at all. Its just simple logic that you don't turn right into the path of oncoming traffic. Perhaps if people are upset with this junction we should amend the highway code so that you are no longer allowed to turn right?
I first used this during a driving lesson. I did not need to communicate with my instructor at all. Its just simple logic that you don't turn right into the path of oncoming traffic. Perhaps if people are upset with this junction we should amend the highway code so that you are no longer allowed to turn right? RyanAlex
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12:57pm Tue 19 Jun 12

mr w says...

The junction is not a problem, but could do with a couple of changes like making all sets of lights go red at the same time so pedestrians can cross safely knowing that no traffic is moving.
And stopping cars etc coming down boot hill and doing U turns back up the hill and wondering why they are in the way of traffic turning left from the old fire station (This includes police cars I have seen do this)!
Oh and maybe some cameras to catch the drivers jumping the lights after they have gone red just to save a bit of time!
Fixed safely!
The junction is not a problem, but could do with a couple of changes like making all sets of lights go red at the same time so pedestrians can cross safely knowing that no traffic is moving. And stopping cars etc coming down boot hill and doing U turns back up the hill and wondering why they are in the way of traffic turning left from the old fire station (This includes police cars I have seen do this)! Oh and maybe some cameras to catch the drivers jumping the lights after they have gone red just to save a bit of time! Fixed safely! mr w
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1:09pm Tue 19 Jun 12

maximan says...

stench wrote:
maximan wrote:
Oh here we go... the "I'm a brilliant driver it's just everybody else brigade"...sorry do not get the argument with them..If just 10% of drivers struggle at this junction then it is no good...Some of the posters here believe themselves to be Stirling Moss, unfortunately the guy ploughing into their side is not.
that wouldnt be a problem for the 'brilliant driver', they're that good at driving they can avoid any ploughers :)
one of the problems is that drivers do not seem to know the difference between "merge" and "overtake"
[quote][p][bold]stench[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]maximan[/bold] wrote: Oh here we go... the "I'm a brilliant driver it's just everybody else brigade"...sorry do not get the argument with them..If just 10% of drivers struggle at this junction then it is no good...Some of the posters here believe themselves to be Stirling Moss, unfortunately the guy ploughing into their side is not.[/p][/quote]that wouldnt be a problem for the 'brilliant driver', they're that good at driving they can avoid any ploughers :)[/p][/quote]one of the problems is that drivers do not seem to know the difference between "merge" and "overtake" maximan
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1:14pm Tue 19 Jun 12

IDONTKNOWIFITISTRRUE says...

IMHO some of the merge sections are too short.
IMHO some of the merge sections are too short. IDONTKNOWIFITISTRRUE
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1:18pm Tue 19 Jun 12

Tenfoot says...

I know I'm getting on a bit and the memorys not so good, but what was wrong with the roundabout? No two lanes into one drag races then!
I know I'm getting on a bit and the memorys not so good, but what was wrong with the roundabout? No two lanes into one drag races then! Tenfoot
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1:25pm Tue 19 Jun 12

scubadude says...

maximan wrote:
Oh here we go... the "I'm a brilliant driver it's just everybody else brigade"...sorry do not get the argument with them..If just 10% of drivers struggle at this junction then it is no good...Some of the posters here believe themselves to be Stirling Moss, unfortunately the guy ploughing into their side is not.
Not at all, there is a small vocal minority of Terrible drivers (mostly those who live here and only ever drive around Weymouth, heaven help them if they ever get up the guts to make it over the Ridgeway into the Real world!) because their experience is so limited the new junctions are confusing to them, whereas throughout the country junctions are a normal occurrance and average drivers have no issues. Personally I was entirely happy with the roundabouts but like the majority I just have to get one with what we've got and its fine. Frankly anyone who's scared by a simple junction ought to surrender their license IMO
[quote][p][bold]maximan[/bold] wrote: Oh here we go... the "I'm a brilliant driver it's just everybody else brigade"...sorry do not get the argument with them..If just 10% of drivers struggle at this junction then it is no good...Some of the posters here believe themselves to be Stirling Moss, unfortunately the guy ploughing into their side is not.[/p][/quote]Not at all, there is a small vocal minority of Terrible drivers (mostly those who live here and only ever drive around Weymouth, heaven help them if they ever get up the guts to make it over the Ridgeway into the Real world!) because their experience is so limited the new junctions are confusing to them, whereas throughout the country junctions are a normal occurrance and average drivers have no issues. Personally I was entirely happy with the roundabouts but like the majority I just have to get one with what we've got and its fine. Frankly anyone who's scared by a simple junction ought to surrender their license IMO scubadude
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1:30pm Tue 19 Jun 12

radiator says...

I must admit I nearly come a cropper the other day when exiting asda , I got in the lane to go up boot hill so when the lights went green I not thinking started to go across and started turning narrowly having a collision with a van.I think the problem is that it is not a true crossroads as has been mentioned by Mr Byatt. I might add that I have been driving accident free for 50 yrs but this episode certainly had my heart beating faster for a minute or two.Another thing is that having two lanes converging especially going down boot hill into Westwey Rd encourages some motorists to overtake come hell or high water just to get in front. Since having my near miss I have spoken to several people and they themselves or know of other drivers who have had the same experience.The fact that the hackney people have expressed concerns goes to show some things are not right, say what you like about taxi drivers but they are on the roads more than most.
I must admit I nearly come a cropper the other day when exiting asda , I got in the lane to go up boot hill so when the lights went green I not thinking started to go across and started turning narrowly having a collision with a van.I think the problem is that it is not a true crossroads as has been mentioned by Mr Byatt. I might add that I have been driving accident free for 50 yrs but this episode certainly had my heart beating faster for a minute or two.Another thing is that having two lanes converging especially going down boot hill into Westwey Rd encourages some motorists to overtake come hell or high water just to get in front. Since having my near miss I have spoken to several people and they themselves or know of other drivers who have had the same experience.The fact that the hackney people have expressed concerns goes to show some things are not right, say what you like about taxi drivers but they are on the roads more than most. radiator
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1:38pm Tue 19 Jun 12

stench says...

scubadude wrote:
maximan wrote: Oh here we go... the "I'm a brilliant driver it's just everybody else brigade"...sorry do not get the argument with them..If just 10% of drivers struggle at this junction then it is no good...Some of the posters here believe themselves to be Stirling Moss, unfortunately the guy ploughing into their side is not.
Not at all, there is a small vocal minority of Terrible drivers (mostly those who live here and only ever drive around Weymouth, heaven help them if they ever get up the guts to make it over the Ridgeway into the Real world!) because their experience is so limited the new junctions are confusing to them, whereas throughout the country junctions are a normal occurrance and average drivers have no issues. Personally I was entirely happy with the roundabouts but like the majority I just have to get one with what we've got and its fine. Frankly anyone who's scared by a simple junction ought to surrender their license IMO
what's with all the cheap digs at Weymouth drivers?
[quote][p][bold]scubadude[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]maximan[/bold] wrote: Oh here we go... the "I'm a brilliant driver it's just everybody else brigade"...sorry do not get the argument with them..If just 10% of drivers struggle at this junction then it is no good...Some of the posters here believe themselves to be Stirling Moss, unfortunately the guy ploughing into their side is not.[/p][/quote]Not at all, there is a small vocal minority of Terrible drivers (mostly those who live here and only ever drive around Weymouth, heaven help them if they ever get up the guts to make it over the Ridgeway into the Real world!) because their experience is so limited the new junctions are confusing to them, whereas throughout the country junctions are a normal occurrance and average drivers have no issues. Personally I was entirely happy with the roundabouts but like the majority I just have to get one with what we've got and its fine. Frankly anyone who's scared by a simple junction ought to surrender their license IMO[/p][/quote]what's with all the cheap digs at Weymouth drivers? stench
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1:41pm Tue 19 Jun 12

ManOnTheSilverMountain says...

Weymouth is a town with loads of OAP's on the road with poor peripheral vision and slow reaction times, this is more of a concern than this particular road junction. You only have to look at the accident rates, and it's all too frequently a pensioner in a Micra.
Weymouth is a town with loads of OAP's on the road with poor peripheral vision and slow reaction times, this is more of a concern than this particular road junction. You only have to look at the accident rates, and it's all too frequently a pensioner in a Micra. ManOnTheSilverMountain
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1:49pm Tue 19 Jun 12

ohcetesrod says...

stench wrote:
scubadude wrote:
maximan wrote: Oh here we go... the "I'm a brilliant driver it's just everybody else brigade"...sorry do not get the argument with them..If just 10% of drivers struggle at this junction then it is no good...Some of the posters here believe themselves to be Stirling Moss, unfortunately the guy ploughing into their side is not.
Not at all, there is a small vocal minority of Terrible drivers (mostly those who live here and only ever drive around Weymouth, heaven help them if they ever get up the guts to make it over the Ridgeway into the Real world!) because their experience is so limited the new junctions are confusing to them, whereas throughout the country junctions are a normal occurrance and average drivers have no issues. Personally I was entirely happy with the roundabouts but like the majority I just have to get one with what we've got and its fine. Frankly anyone who's scared by a simple junction ought to surrender their license IMO
what's with all the cheap digs at Weymouth drivers?
And why not?

At the same time though you could add that to a motorist from any town that does not venture more than a few miles from their little safe haven.

Driving around the country in and out of big cities does bring with it valuable experience.
[quote][p][bold]stench[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scubadude[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]maximan[/bold] wrote: Oh here we go... the "I'm a brilliant driver it's just everybody else brigade"...sorry do not get the argument with them..If just 10% of drivers struggle at this junction then it is no good...Some of the posters here believe themselves to be Stirling Moss, unfortunately the guy ploughing into their side is not.[/p][/quote]Not at all, there is a small vocal minority of Terrible drivers (mostly those who live here and only ever drive around Weymouth, heaven help them if they ever get up the guts to make it over the Ridgeway into the Real world!) because their experience is so limited the new junctions are confusing to them, whereas throughout the country junctions are a normal occurrance and average drivers have no issues. Personally I was entirely happy with the roundabouts but like the majority I just have to get one with what we've got and its fine. Frankly anyone who's scared by a simple junction ought to surrender their license IMO[/p][/quote]what's with all the cheap digs at Weymouth drivers?[/p][/quote]And why not? At the same time though you could add that to a motorist from any town that does not venture more than a few miles from their little safe haven. Driving around the country in and out of big cities does bring with it valuable experience. ohcetesrod
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2:56pm Tue 19 Jun 12

roger goss says...

there was nothing wrong with the roundabout,common sense did not prevail it had to be changed, as usual when alterations to roads are made the motorist isnt in the know, still Portland can have their Reindeer back for xmas,as there isnt a place for it now.
there was nothing wrong with the roundabout,common sense did not prevail it had to be changed, as usual when alterations to roads are made the motorist isnt in the know, still Portland can have their Reindeer back for xmas,as there isnt a place for it now. roger goss
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3:14pm Tue 19 Jun 12

stench says...

ohcetesrod wrote:
stench wrote:
scubadude wrote:
maximan wrote: Oh here we go... the "I'm a brilliant driver it's just everybody else brigade"...sorry do not get the argument with them..If just 10% of drivers struggle at this junction then it is no good...Some of the posters here believe themselves to be Stirling Moss, unfortunately the guy ploughing into their side is not.
Not at all, there is a small vocal minority of Terrible drivers (mostly those who live here and only ever drive around Weymouth, heaven help them if they ever get up the guts to make it over the Ridgeway into the Real world!) because their experience is so limited the new junctions are confusing to them, whereas throughout the country junctions are a normal occurrance and average drivers have no issues. Personally I was entirely happy with the roundabouts but like the majority I just have to get one with what we've got and its fine. Frankly anyone who's scared by a simple junction ought to surrender their license IMO
what's with all the cheap digs at Weymouth drivers?
And why not? At the same time though you could add that to a motorist from any town that does not venture more than a few miles from their little safe haven. Driving around the country in and out of big cities does bring with it valuable experience.
stereotyping people that live in a small town? that's just lazy analysist...

What's the foundation of your argument?

Or just any chance to dig from the 'safety' of your PC.

We all know that roundabouts are the perfect solution and i'm sure even those blaming drivers agree, but seems that some are just using this as a way to dig at old drivers, small town drivers...

What ever makes you feel better :)
[quote][p][bold]ohcetesrod[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stench[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scubadude[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]maximan[/bold] wrote: Oh here we go... the "I'm a brilliant driver it's just everybody else brigade"...sorry do not get the argument with them..If just 10% of drivers struggle at this junction then it is no good...Some of the posters here believe themselves to be Stirling Moss, unfortunately the guy ploughing into their side is not.[/p][/quote]Not at all, there is a small vocal minority of Terrible drivers (mostly those who live here and only ever drive around Weymouth, heaven help them if they ever get up the guts to make it over the Ridgeway into the Real world!) because their experience is so limited the new junctions are confusing to them, whereas throughout the country junctions are a normal occurrance and average drivers have no issues. Personally I was entirely happy with the roundabouts but like the majority I just have to get one with what we've got and its fine. Frankly anyone who's scared by a simple junction ought to surrender their license IMO[/p][/quote]what's with all the cheap digs at Weymouth drivers?[/p][/quote]And why not? At the same time though you could add that to a motorist from any town that does not venture more than a few miles from their little safe haven. Driving around the country in and out of big cities does bring with it valuable experience.[/p][/quote]stereotyping people that live in a small town? that's just lazy analysist... What's the foundation of your argument? Or just any chance to dig from the 'safety' of your PC. We all know that roundabouts are the perfect solution and i'm sure even those blaming drivers agree, but seems that some are just using this as a way to dig at old drivers, small town drivers... What ever makes you feel better :) stench
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3:46pm Tue 19 Jun 12

ohcetesrod says...

stench wrote:
ohcetesrod wrote:
stench wrote:
scubadude wrote:
maximan wrote: Oh here we go... the "I'm a brilliant driver it's just everybody else brigade"...sorry do not get the argument with them..If just 10% of drivers struggle at this junction then it is no good...Some of the posters here believe themselves to be Stirling Moss, unfortunately the guy ploughing into their side is not.
Not at all, there is a small vocal minority of Terrible drivers (mostly those who live here and only ever drive around Weymouth, heaven help them if they ever get up the guts to make it over the Ridgeway into the Real world!) because their experience is so limited the new junctions are confusing to them, whereas throughout the country junctions are a normal occurrance and average drivers have no issues. Personally I was entirely happy with the roundabouts but like the majority I just have to get one with what we've got and its fine. Frankly anyone who's scared by a simple junction ought to surrender their license IMO
what's with all the cheap digs at Weymouth drivers?
And why not? At the same time though you could add that to a motorist from any town that does not venture more than a few miles from their little safe haven. Driving around the country in and out of big cities does bring with it valuable experience.
stereotyping people that live in a small town? that's just lazy analysist...

What's the foundation of your argument?

Or just any chance to dig from the 'safety' of your PC.

We all know that roundabouts are the perfect solution and i'm sure even those blaming drivers agree, but seems that some are just using this as a way to dig at old drivers, small town drivers...

What ever makes you feel better :)
I would suggest reading my post again
[quote][p][bold]stench[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ohcetesrod[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stench[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scubadude[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]maximan[/bold] wrote: Oh here we go... the "I'm a brilliant driver it's just everybody else brigade"...sorry do not get the argument with them..If just 10% of drivers struggle at this junction then it is no good...Some of the posters here believe themselves to be Stirling Moss, unfortunately the guy ploughing into their side is not.[/p][/quote]Not at all, there is a small vocal minority of Terrible drivers (mostly those who live here and only ever drive around Weymouth, heaven help them if they ever get up the guts to make it over the Ridgeway into the Real world!) because their experience is so limited the new junctions are confusing to them, whereas throughout the country junctions are a normal occurrance and average drivers have no issues. Personally I was entirely happy with the roundabouts but like the majority I just have to get one with what we've got and its fine. Frankly anyone who's scared by a simple junction ought to surrender their license IMO[/p][/quote]what's with all the cheap digs at Weymouth drivers?[/p][/quote]And why not? At the same time though you could add that to a motorist from any town that does not venture more than a few miles from their little safe haven. Driving around the country in and out of big cities does bring with it valuable experience.[/p][/quote]stereotyping people that live in a small town? that's just lazy analysist... What's the foundation of your argument? Or just any chance to dig from the 'safety' of your PC. We all know that roundabouts are the perfect solution and i'm sure even those blaming drivers agree, but seems that some are just using this as a way to dig at old drivers, small town drivers... What ever makes you feel better :)[/p][/quote]I would suggest reading my post again ohcetesrod
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4:01pm Tue 19 Jun 12

ade123 says...

I have just registered as I have just read all the comments some of which are very childish and insulting.This junction in my opinion IS AN ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN you get a GREEN light but you dont have right of way RIDICULOUS Im sure this is against the highway code.I am A retired Weymouth Taxi driver and HGV driver and have been driving for over47 years The junction NEEDS to be sorted out.
I have just registered as I have just read all the comments some of which are very childish and insulting.This junction in my opinion IS AN ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN you get a GREEN light but you dont have right of way RIDICULOUS Im sure this is against the highway code.I am A retired Weymouth Taxi driver and HGV driver and have been driving for over47 years The junction NEEDS to be sorted out. ade123
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4:04pm Tue 19 Jun 12

leo210856 says...

One cant dispute this is a busy junction nor can anyone dispute that the old roundabout needed up grading.
The simple fact here is that the very existance of Asda on this junction is a major problem. Indeed had WDDC not blocked the move to The Wessex Stadium a huge % of the traffic both entering and exiting Newstead Road via this junction would not be an issue.
One cant dispute this is a busy junction nor can anyone dispute that the old roundabout needed up grading. The simple fact here is that the very existance of Asda on this junction is a major problem. Indeed had WDDC not blocked the move to The Wessex Stadium a huge % of the traffic both entering and exiting Newstead Road via this junction would not be an issue. leo210856
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4:09pm Tue 19 Jun 12

Under35andout says...

yeah i agree in dangerous !! was a self employed van driver for 10 years all over the uk i said from the start this junction wont change till someone gets killed even though i disputed it being dangerous nothing happened , this junction is the worst in the country even the magic roundabouts are not as bad as this (hemel hempstead) stupid design for both pedestrians and vehicles . shame it was a mate that died and i dont care what anyone else thinks some old biddy with a fiesta look at the real drivers ie taxi drivers van drivers who do it for a living . stupid
yeah i agree in dangerous !! was a self employed van driver for 10 years all over the uk i said from the start this junction wont change till someone gets killed even though i disputed it being dangerous nothing happened , this junction is the worst in the country even the magic roundabouts are not as bad as this (hemel hempstead) stupid design for both pedestrians and vehicles . shame it was a mate that died and i dont care what anyone else thinks some old biddy with a fiesta look at the real drivers ie taxi drivers van drivers who do it for a living . stupid Under35andout
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4:12pm Tue 19 Jun 12

leo210856 says...

ade123 wrote:
I have just registered as I have just read all the comments some of which are very childish and insulting.This junction in my opinion IS AN ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN you get a GREEN light but you dont have right of way RIDICULOUS Im sure this is against the highway code.I am A retired Weymouth Taxi driver and HGV driver and have been driving for over47 years The junction NEEDS to be sorted out.
My neice said the same thing to me but I can name numerous examples where his happens in Weymouth just because you have a green light it doesnt mean that traffic coming the other way doesnt have priority.
Quite simply this junction has to deal with traffic coming and going in several directions so it was never going to be easy to try and deal with the previous delays and at the same timemake the junction easy to navigate.
[quote][p][bold]ade123[/bold] wrote: I have just registered as I have just read all the comments some of which are very childish and insulting.This junction in my opinion IS AN ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN you get a GREEN light but you dont have right of way RIDICULOUS Im sure this is against the highway code.I am A retired Weymouth Taxi driver and HGV driver and have been driving for over47 years The junction NEEDS to be sorted out.[/p][/quote]My neice said the same thing to me but I can name numerous examples where his happens in Weymouth just because you have a green light it doesnt mean that traffic coming the other way doesnt have priority. Quite simply this junction has to deal with traffic coming and going in several directions so it was never going to be easy to try and deal with the previous delays and at the same timemake the junction easy to navigate. leo210856
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4:16pm Tue 19 Jun 12

ade123 says...

What the hell has ASDA being there got to do with it Havnt they been there a long time.IE before the changes?
What the hell has ASDA being there got to do with it Havnt they been there a long time.IE before the changes? ade123
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4:33pm Tue 19 Jun 12

stench says...

ohcetesrod wrote:
stench wrote:
ohcetesrod wrote:
stench wrote:
scubadude wrote:
maximan wrote: Oh here we go... the "I'm a brilliant driver it's just everybody else brigade"...sorry do not get the argument with them..If just 10% of drivers struggle at this junction then it is no good...Some of the posters here believe themselves to be Stirling Moss, unfortunately the guy ploughing into their side is not.
Not at all, there is a small vocal minority of Terrible drivers (mostly those who live here and only ever drive around Weymouth, heaven help them if they ever get up the guts to make it over the Ridgeway into the Real world!) because their experience is so limited the new junctions are confusing to them, whereas throughout the country junctions are a normal occurrance and average drivers have no issues. Personally I was entirely happy with the roundabouts but like the majority I just have to get one with what we've got and its fine. Frankly anyone who's scared by a simple junction ought to surrender their license IMO
what's with all the cheap digs at Weymouth drivers?
And why not? At the same time though you could add that to a motorist from any town that does not venture more than a few miles from their little safe haven. Driving around the country in and out of big cities does bring with it valuable experience.
stereotyping people that live in a small town? that's just lazy analysist... What's the foundation of your argument? Or just any chance to dig from the 'safety' of your PC. We all know that roundabouts are the perfect solution and i'm sure even those blaming drivers agree, but seems that some are just using this as a way to dig at old drivers, small town drivers... What ever makes you feel better :)
I would suggest reading my post again
read again...

So all drivers NEED to travel to big cities to gain the experiance required to drive in town roads...
[quote][p][bold]ohcetesrod[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stench[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ohcetesrod[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stench[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scubadude[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]maximan[/bold] wrote: Oh here we go... the "I'm a brilliant driver it's just everybody else brigade"...sorry do not get the argument with them..If just 10% of drivers struggle at this junction then it is no good...Some of the posters here believe themselves to be Stirling Moss, unfortunately the guy ploughing into their side is not.[/p][/quote]Not at all, there is a small vocal minority of Terrible drivers (mostly those who live here and only ever drive around Weymouth, heaven help them if they ever get up the guts to make it over the Ridgeway into the Real world!) because their experience is so limited the new junctions are confusing to them, whereas throughout the country junctions are a normal occurrance and average drivers have no issues. Personally I was entirely happy with the roundabouts but like the majority I just have to get one with what we've got and its fine. Frankly anyone who's scared by a simple junction ought to surrender their license IMO[/p][/quote]what's with all the cheap digs at Weymouth drivers?[/p][/quote]And why not? At the same time though you could add that to a motorist from any town that does not venture more than a few miles from their little safe haven. Driving around the country in and out of big cities does bring with it valuable experience.[/p][/quote]stereotyping people that live in a small town? that's just lazy analysist... What's the foundation of your argument? Or just any chance to dig from the 'safety' of your PC. We all know that roundabouts are the perfect solution and i'm sure even those blaming drivers agree, but seems that some are just using this as a way to dig at old drivers, small town drivers... What ever makes you feel better :)[/p][/quote]I would suggest reading my post again[/p][/quote]read again... So all drivers NEED to travel to big cities to gain the experiance required to drive in town roads... stench
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4:35pm Tue 19 Jun 12

stench says...

I'll stand by the views of the experianced drivers above ^^^
I'll stand by the views of the experianced drivers above ^^^ stench
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4:35pm Tue 19 Jun 12

scubadude says...

stench wrote:
scubadude wrote:
maximan wrote: Oh here we go... the "I'm a brilliant driver it's just everybody else brigade"...sorry do not get the argument with them..If just 10% of drivers struggle at this junction then it is no good...Some of the posters here believe themselves to be Stirling Moss, unfortunately the guy ploughing into their side is not.
Not at all, there is a small vocal minority of Terrible drivers (mostly those who live here and only ever drive around Weymouth, heaven help them if they ever get up the guts to make it over the Ridgeway into the Real world!) because their experience is so limited the new junctions are confusing to them, whereas throughout the country junctions are a normal occurrance and average drivers have no issues. Personally I was entirely happy with the roundabouts but like the majority I just have to get one with what we've got and its fine. Frankly anyone who's scared by a simple junction ought to surrender their license IMO
what's with all the cheap digs at Weymouth drivers?
Because the junction is in Weymouth and the people complaining are Residents of Weymouth....
[quote][p][bold]stench[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scubadude[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]maximan[/bold] wrote: Oh here we go... the "I'm a brilliant driver it's just everybody else brigade"...sorry do not get the argument with them..If just 10% of drivers struggle at this junction then it is no good...Some of the posters here believe themselves to be Stirling Moss, unfortunately the guy ploughing into their side is not.[/p][/quote]Not at all, there is a small vocal minority of Terrible drivers (mostly those who live here and only ever drive around Weymouth, heaven help them if they ever get up the guts to make it over the Ridgeway into the Real world!) because their experience is so limited the new junctions are confusing to them, whereas throughout the country junctions are a normal occurrance and average drivers have no issues. Personally I was entirely happy with the roundabouts but like the majority I just have to get one with what we've got and its fine. Frankly anyone who's scared by a simple junction ought to surrender their license IMO[/p][/quote]what's with all the cheap digs at Weymouth drivers?[/p][/quote]Because the junction is in Weymouth and the people complaining are Residents of Weymouth.... scubadude
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4:37pm Tue 19 Jun 12

stench says...

scubadude wrote:
stench wrote:
scubadude wrote:
maximan wrote: Oh here we go... the "I'm a brilliant driver it's just everybody else brigade"...sorry do not get the argument with them..If just 10% of drivers struggle at this junction then it is no good...Some of the posters here believe themselves to be Stirling Moss, unfortunately the guy ploughing into their side is not.
Not at all, there is a small vocal minority of Terrible drivers (mostly those who live here and only ever drive around Weymouth, heaven help them if they ever get up the guts to make it over the Ridgeway into the Real world!) because their experience is so limited the new junctions are confusing to them, whereas throughout the country junctions are a normal occurrance and average drivers have no issues. Personally I was entirely happy with the roundabouts but like the majority I just have to get one with what we've got and its fine. Frankly anyone who's scared by a simple junction ought to surrender their license IMO
what's with all the cheap digs at Weymouth drivers?
Because the junction is in Weymouth and the people complaining are Residents of Weymouth....
Ha! well justified...
[quote][p][bold]scubadude[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stench[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scubadude[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]maximan[/bold] wrote: Oh here we go... the "I'm a brilliant driver it's just everybody else brigade"...sorry do not get the argument with them..If just 10% of drivers struggle at this junction then it is no good...Some of the posters here believe themselves to be Stirling Moss, unfortunately the guy ploughing into their side is not.[/p][/quote]Not at all, there is a small vocal minority of Terrible drivers (mostly those who live here and only ever drive around Weymouth, heaven help them if they ever get up the guts to make it over the Ridgeway into the Real world!) because their experience is so limited the new junctions are confusing to them, whereas throughout the country junctions are a normal occurrance and average drivers have no issues. Personally I was entirely happy with the roundabouts but like the majority I just have to get one with what we've got and its fine. Frankly anyone who's scared by a simple junction ought to surrender their license IMO[/p][/quote]what's with all the cheap digs at Weymouth drivers?[/p][/quote]Because the junction is in Weymouth and the people complaining are Residents of Weymouth....[/p][/quote]Ha! well justified... stench
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4:37pm Tue 19 Jun 12

ade123 says...

leo210856 wrote:
ade123 wrote: I have just registered as I have just read all the comments some of which are very childish and insulting.This junction in my opinion IS AN ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN you get a GREEN light but you dont have right of way RIDICULOUS Im sure this is against the highway code.I am A retired Weymouth Taxi driver and HGV driver and have been driving for over47 years The junction NEEDS to be sorted out.
My neice said the same thing to me but I can name numerous examples where his happens in Weymouth just because you have a green light it doesnt mean that traffic coming the other way doesnt have priority. Quite simply this junction has to deal with traffic coming and going in several directions so it was never going to be easy to try and deal with the previous delays and at the same timemake the junction easy to navigate.
Name Them
[quote][p][bold]leo210856[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ade123[/bold] wrote: I have just registered as I have just read all the comments some of which are very childish and insulting.This junction in my opinion IS AN ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN you get a GREEN light but you dont have right of way RIDICULOUS Im sure this is against the highway code.I am A retired Weymouth Taxi driver and HGV driver and have been driving for over47 years The junction NEEDS to be sorted out.[/p][/quote]My neice said the same thing to me but I can name numerous examples where his happens in Weymouth just because you have a green light it doesnt mean that traffic coming the other way doesnt have priority. Quite simply this junction has to deal with traffic coming and going in several directions so it was never going to be easy to try and deal with the previous delays and at the same timemake the junction easy to navigate.[/p][/quote]Name Them ade123
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4:38pm Tue 19 Jun 12

ohcetesrod says...

1. 'I said' motorists that don't venture than more than just a few miles out of their little safe haven.

2. 'I said' driving around the country in and out of big cities.

I have not had a dig at old drivers, and the nearest city is 60 miles away.

What I have commented on is that driving round the block is not going to gain you valuable experience.
1. 'I said' motorists that don't venture than more than just a few miles out of their little safe haven. 2. 'I said' driving around the country in and out of big cities. I have not had a dig at old drivers, and the nearest city is 60 miles away. What I have commented on is that driving round the block is not going to gain you valuable experience. ohcetesrod
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4:41pm Tue 19 Jun 12

scubadude says...

ade123 wrote:
I have just registered as I have just read all the comments some of which are very childish and insulting.This junction in my opinion IS AN ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN you get a GREEN light but you dont have right of way RIDICULOUS Im sure this is against the highway code.I am A retired Weymouth Taxi driver and HGV driver and have been driving for over47 years The junction NEEDS to be sorted out.
ade123- you need to revisit traffic law and the highway code, despite your experience you are totally wrong. A Green light NEVER gives right of way, meerly the option to proceed when safe to do so. Anyone who just drives through a junction because the light is green is insane- you have to LOOK and obey the traffic flow infastruce (same on a roundabout) you all seem to forget how many accidents and horn sounding "incidents" occurred on the old roundabout (although I agree, they should never have been removed, idiotic decision by Council and planners)
[quote][p][bold]ade123[/bold] wrote: I have just registered as I have just read all the comments some of which are very childish and insulting.This junction in my opinion IS AN ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN you get a GREEN light but you dont have right of way RIDICULOUS Im sure this is against the highway code.I am A retired Weymouth Taxi driver and HGV driver and have been driving for over47 years The junction NEEDS to be sorted out.[/p][/quote]ade123- you need to revisit traffic law and the highway code, despite your experience you are totally wrong. A Green light NEVER gives right of way, meerly the option to proceed when safe to do so. Anyone who just drives through a junction because the light is green is insane- you have to LOOK and obey the traffic flow infastruce (same on a roundabout) you all seem to forget how many accidents and horn sounding "incidents" occurred on the old roundabout (although I agree, they should never have been removed, idiotic decision by Council and planners) scubadude
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4:42pm Tue 19 Jun 12

ManOnTheSilverMountain says...

Personally, I think bashing the sloppy driving of locals is fully justified.

The standard of driving here is horrendous, and far lower than that of bigger towns and cities.

Every morning I endure motorists in the wrong lane at Morissons roundabout despite 4 previous "Town Centre" markings painted on the road.

You can also guarantee that coming down past greenhill you can watch all the cars move to the left and then "drift" back to the right (without indicating of course) when they get to the start of the bus lane.

If it wasn't so dangerous, it would be funny.
Personally, I think bashing the sloppy driving of locals is fully justified. The standard of driving here is horrendous, and far lower than that of bigger towns and cities. Every morning I endure motorists in the wrong lane at Morissons roundabout despite 4 previous "Town Centre" markings painted on the road. You can also guarantee that coming down past greenhill you can watch all the cars move to the left and then "drift" back to the right (without indicating of course) when they get to the start of the bus lane. If it wasn't so dangerous, it would be funny. ManOnTheSilverMountain
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4:45pm Tue 19 Jun 12

stench says...

ohcetesrod wrote:
1. 'I said' motorists that don't venture than more than just a few miles out of their little safe haven. 2. 'I said' driving around the country in and out of big cities. I have not had a dig at old drivers, and the nearest city is 60 miles away. What I have commented on is that driving round the block is not going to gain you valuable experience.
yeah, i hear you and get your point. but bottom line, if the roads can be made safer, they should!

I'm sure if it was down to some of the people here, we would be like India...

We all know the roundabout is coming back :)
[quote][p][bold]ohcetesrod[/bold] wrote: 1. 'I said' motorists that don't venture than more than just a few miles out of their little safe haven. 2. 'I said' driving around the country in and out of big cities. I have not had a dig at old drivers, and the nearest city is 60 miles away. What I have commented on is that driving round the block is not going to gain you valuable experience.[/p][/quote]yeah, i hear you and get your point. but bottom line, if the roads can be made safer, they should! I'm sure if it was down to some of the people here, we would be like India... We all know the roundabout is coming back :) stench
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4:56pm Tue 19 Jun 12

maximan says...

Still amazes me how some people consider themselves to be better drivers than others..I'm great I am..talk about blowing your own trumpet/horn
Still amazes me how some people consider themselves to be better drivers than others..I'm great I am..talk about blowing your own trumpet/horn maximan
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4:59pm Tue 19 Jun 12

irisred says...

Safest way to make the roads safer? Make people take re-tests every 10 years and they have to drive a certain number of miles per year to maintain competencies... bit like nurses and doctors have to!

Driving is a privilege, not a right, and should be treated as one! You want to keep driving, you make sure you're safe to do so!
Safest way to make the roads safer? Make people take re-tests every 10 years and they have to drive a certain number of miles per year to maintain competencies... bit like nurses and doctors have to! Driving is a privilege, not a right, and should be treated as one! You want to keep driving, you make sure you're safe to do so! irisred
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5:00pm Tue 19 Jun 12

portlandboy says...

Unfortunately I have to travel to Bournemouth Hospital via a wheelchair taxi every few weeks. The drivers (who all come from Bournemouth) think that this junction is the worst they have to deal with. It is infamous all along the south coast.
Last week the taxi driver said he wondered how I would get to the hospital during the Olympic weeks, because they have all refused to come to Weymouth as it will take too long and is simply too dangerous...and that is the professional view. They would rather give up what I believe is close to £80 each way than suffer our town.
Unfortunately I have to travel to Bournemouth Hospital via a wheelchair taxi every few weeks. The drivers (who all come from Bournemouth) think that this junction is the worst they have to deal with. It is infamous all along the south coast. Last week the taxi driver said he wondered how I would get to the hospital during the Olympic weeks, because they have all refused to come to Weymouth as it will take too long and is simply too dangerous...and that is the professional view. They would rather give up what I believe is close to £80 each way than suffer our town. portlandboy
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5:04pm Tue 19 Jun 12

ohcetesrod says...

irisred wrote:
Safest way to make the roads safer? Make people take re-tests every 10 years and they have to drive a certain number of miles per year to maintain competencies... bit like nurses and doctors have to!

Driving is a privilege, not a right, and should be treated as one! You want to keep driving, you make sure you're safe to do so!
Why only every 10 years?

Why not every 5!
[quote][p][bold]irisred[/bold] wrote: Safest way to make the roads safer? Make people take re-tests every 10 years and they have to drive a certain number of miles per year to maintain competencies... bit like nurses and doctors have to! Driving is a privilege, not a right, and should be treated as one! You want to keep driving, you make sure you're safe to do so![/p][/quote]Why only every 10 years? Why not every 5! ohcetesrod
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5:04pm Tue 19 Jun 12

stench says...

irisred wrote:
Safest way to make the roads safer? Make people take re-tests every 10 years and they have to drive a certain number of miles per year to maintain competencies... bit like nurses and doctors have to! Driving is a privilege, not a right, and should be treated as one! You want to keep driving, you make sure you're safe to do so!
the award for the most unrealistic suggestion goes to...
[quote][p][bold]irisred[/bold] wrote: Safest way to make the roads safer? Make people take re-tests every 10 years and they have to drive a certain number of miles per year to maintain competencies... bit like nurses and doctors have to! Driving is a privilege, not a right, and should be treated as one! You want to keep driving, you make sure you're safe to do so![/p][/quote]the award for the most unrealistic suggestion goes to... stench
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5:06pm Tue 19 Jun 12

stench says...

portlandboy wrote:
Unfortunately I have to travel to Bournemouth Hospital via a wheelchair taxi every few weeks. The drivers (who all come from Bournemouth) think that this junction is the worst they have to deal with. It is infamous all along the south coast. Last week the taxi driver said he wondered how I would get to the hospital during the Olympic weeks, because they have all refused to come to Weymouth as it will take too long and is simply too dangerous...and that is the professional view. They would rather give up what I believe is close to £80 each way than suffer our town.
says it all!

oh, but maybe these taxi drivers havent enough city experiance... :)
[quote][p][bold]portlandboy[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately I have to travel to Bournemouth Hospital via a wheelchair taxi every few weeks. The drivers (who all come from Bournemouth) think that this junction is the worst they have to deal with. It is infamous all along the south coast. Last week the taxi driver said he wondered how I would get to the hospital during the Olympic weeks, because they have all refused to come to Weymouth as it will take too long and is simply too dangerous...and that is the professional view. They would rather give up what I believe is close to £80 each way than suffer our town.[/p][/quote]says it all! oh, but maybe these taxi drivers havent enough city experiance... :) stench
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5:08pm Tue 19 Jun 12

alaric says...

Roundabout with lights to control flow please. Much easier.
Roundabout with lights to control flow please. Much easier. alaric
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5:12pm Tue 19 Jun 12

leo210856 says...

ade123 wrote:
What the hell has ASDA being there got to do with it Havnt they been there a long time.IE before the changes?
Quite simply Asda being there means that a significant number of food shoppers go there wheras if it wasnt there they wouldnt go anywhere near that junction.
In reality if Adsa had moved I am not too sure there would have needed to be any changes in the first place or you wouldnt have had to deal with the volume entering and exiting Newstead Road via this junction
[quote][p][bold]ade123[/bold] wrote: What the hell has ASDA being there got to do with it Havnt they been there a long time.IE before the changes?[/p][/quote]Quite simply Asda being there means that a significant number of food shoppers go there wheras if it wasnt there they wouldnt go anywhere near that junction. In reality if Adsa had moved I am not too sure there would have needed to be any changes in the first place or you wouldnt have had to deal with the volume entering and exiting Newstead Road via this junction leo210856
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5:17pm Tue 19 Jun 12

leo210856 says...

ade123 wrote:
leo210856 wrote:
ade123 wrote: I have just registered as I have just read all the comments some of which are very childish and insulting.This junction in my opinion IS AN ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN you get a GREEN light but you dont have right of way RIDICULOUS Im sure this is against the highway code.I am A retired Weymouth Taxi driver and HGV driver and have been driving for over47 years The junction NEEDS to be sorted out.
My neice said the same thing to me but I can name numerous examples where his happens in Weymouth just because you have a green light it doesnt mean that traffic coming the other way doesnt have priority. Quite simply this junction has to deal with traffic coming and going in several directions so it was never going to be easy to try and deal with the previous delays and at the same timemake the junction easy to navigate.
Name Them
1 Turning into Granby from Chickerell Road
2Turning in Lynch Lane from Lanehouse Rocks Road
3 Goinginto Morrisons from Dorchester Road
4 Turning into Littlemoor Road from Dorchester Road

In all instances you cann have a green Light but your way forward can be blocked by oncoming traffic also having a green light
[quote][p][bold]ade123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]leo210856[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ade123[/bold] wrote: I have just registered as I have just read all the comments some of which are very childish and insulting.This junction in my opinion IS AN ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN you get a GREEN light but you dont have right of way RIDICULOUS Im sure this is against the highway code.I am A retired Weymouth Taxi driver and HGV driver and have been driving for over47 years The junction NEEDS to be sorted out.[/p][/quote]My neice said the same thing to me but I can name numerous examples where his happens in Weymouth just because you have a green light it doesnt mean that traffic coming the other way doesnt have priority. Quite simply this junction has to deal with traffic coming and going in several directions so it was never going to be easy to try and deal with the previous delays and at the same timemake the junction easy to navigate.[/p][/quote]Name Them[/p][/quote]1 Turning into Granby from Chickerell Road 2Turning in Lynch Lane from Lanehouse Rocks Road 3 Goinginto Morrisons from Dorchester Road 4 Turning into Littlemoor Road from Dorchester Road In all instances you cann have a green Light but your way forward can be blocked by oncoming traffic also having a green light leo210856
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5:18pm Tue 19 Jun 12

I'mavoter says...

scubadude wrote:
stench wrote:
scubadude wrote:
maximan wrote: Oh here we go... the "I'm a brilliant driver it's just everybody else brigade"...sorry do not get the argument with them..If just 10% of drivers struggle at this junction then it is no good...Some of the posters here believe themselves to be Stirling Moss, unfortunately the guy ploughing into their side is not.
Not at all, there is a small vocal minority of Terrible drivers (mostly those who live here and only ever drive around Weymouth, heaven help them if they ever get up the guts to make it over the Ridgeway into the Real world!) because their experience is so limited the new junctions are confusing to them, whereas throughout the country junctions are a normal occurrance and average drivers have no issues. Personally I was entirely happy with the roundabouts but like the majority I just have to get one with what we've got and its fine. Frankly anyone who's scared by a simple junction ought to surrender their license IMO
what's with all the cheap digs at Weymouth drivers?
Because the junction is in Weymouth and the people complaining are Residents of Weymouth....
Well they wouldn't be residents of Leeds would they ! Duh !
[quote][p][bold]scubadude[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stench[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scubadude[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]maximan[/bold] wrote: Oh here we go... the "I'm a brilliant driver it's just everybody else brigade"...sorry do not get the argument with them..If just 10% of drivers struggle at this junction then it is no good...Some of the posters here believe themselves to be Stirling Moss, unfortunately the guy ploughing into their side is not.[/p][/quote]Not at all, there is a small vocal minority of Terrible drivers (mostly those who live here and only ever drive around Weymouth, heaven help them if they ever get up the guts to make it over the Ridgeway into the Real world!) because their experience is so limited the new junctions are confusing to them, whereas throughout the country junctions are a normal occurrance and average drivers have no issues. Personally I was entirely happy with the roundabouts but like the majority I just have to get one with what we've got and its fine. Frankly anyone who's scared by a simple junction ought to surrender their license IMO[/p][/quote]what's with all the cheap digs at Weymouth drivers?[/p][/quote]Because the junction is in Weymouth and the people complaining are Residents of Weymouth....[/p][/quote]Well they wouldn't be residents of Leeds would they ! Duh ! I'mavoter
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5:21pm Tue 19 Jun 12

weymouthfox says...

Well done Councillor Byatt on pointing out what all local people know, that the Asda junction is very dangerous. All our other councillors keep their heads below the parapet, scared to challenge the county council and criticise the awful traffic measures they have put-in to universal criticism. The clown who designed the lanes around the Jubilee Clock ought to be sacked, going east you are at a standstill if King Street is at a halt, as it often is. There should be a lane to turn right and continue on the seafront. If only more councillors would take an interest, so well done Councillor Byatt.
Well done Councillor Byatt on pointing out what all local people know, that the Asda junction is very dangerous. All our other councillors keep their heads below the parapet, scared to challenge the county council and criticise the awful traffic measures they have put-in to universal criticism. The clown who designed the lanes around the Jubilee Clock ought to be sacked, going east you are at a standstill if King Street is at a halt, as it often is. There should be a lane to turn right and continue on the seafront. If only more councillors would take an interest, so well done Councillor Byatt. weymouthfox
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5:27pm Tue 19 Jun 12

Leannie says...

From personal experience from the pedestrian side of using these crossings, is that it seems when traffic are turning left (down from boothill towards asda and turning left at the job centre the most) a lot of motorists don't realise that when they're allowed to go, once they are around the corner they have to stop again. I always tell my daughter to wait for the green man and numerous times, including the other day when we've been trying to cross once it has changed to the green man, a car/van ect comes zooming around the corner and goes through the red lights just as we're about to go onto the road to cross, which is quite scary thinking that if we don't look at the cars aswell as the traffic lights, my family or anyone else using the crossings could easily be injured.
From personal experience from the pedestrian side of using these crossings, is that it seems when traffic are turning left (down from boothill towards asda and turning left at the job centre the most) a lot of motorists don't realise that when they're allowed to go, once they are around the corner they have to stop again. I always tell my daughter to wait for the green man and numerous times, including the other day when we've been trying to cross once it has changed to the green man, a car/van ect comes zooming around the corner and goes through the red lights just as we're about to go onto the road to cross, which is quite scary thinking that if we don't look at the cars aswell as the traffic lights, my family or anyone else using the crossings could easily be injured. Leannie
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5:44pm Tue 19 Jun 12

portlandboy says...

Leannie wrote:
From personal experience from the pedestrian side of using these crossings, is that it seems when traffic are turning left (down from boothill towards asda and turning left at the job centre the most) a lot of motorists don't realise that when they're allowed to go, once they are around the corner they have to stop again. I always tell my daughter to wait for the green man and numerous times, including the other day when we've been trying to cross once it has changed to the green man, a car/van ect comes zooming around the corner and goes through the red lights just as we're about to go onto the road to cross, which is quite scary thinking that if we don't look at the cars aswell as the traffic lights, my family or anyone else using the crossings could easily be injured.
Although we have always told our children to wait until the green man shows and traffic has also stopped, I'm sure that you are right - someone's going to get knocked flying there and we all know it's true.
Being "in the right" or "in the wrong" will not change the fact. It will cause great misery to someone...and sooner rather than later, I suspect.
[quote][p][bold]Leannie[/bold] wrote: From personal experience from the pedestrian side of using these crossings, is that it seems when traffic are turning left (down from boothill towards asda and turning left at the job centre the most) a lot of motorists don't realise that when they're allowed to go, once they are around the corner they have to stop again. I always tell my daughter to wait for the green man and numerous times, including the other day when we've been trying to cross once it has changed to the green man, a car/van ect comes zooming around the corner and goes through the red lights just as we're about to go onto the road to cross, which is quite scary thinking that if we don't look at the cars aswell as the traffic lights, my family or anyone else using the crossings could easily be injured.[/p][/quote]Although we have always told our children to wait until the green man shows and traffic has also stopped, I'm sure that you are right - someone's going to get knocked flying there and we all know it's true. Being "in the right" or "in the wrong" will not change the fact. It will cause great misery to someone...and sooner rather than later, I suspect. portlandboy
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5:51pm Tue 19 Jun 12

ohcetesrod says...

stench wrote:
irisred wrote:
Safest way to make the roads safer? Make people take re-tests every 10 years and they have to drive a certain number of miles per year to maintain competencies... bit like nurses and doctors have to! Driving is a privilege, not a right, and should be treated as one! You want to keep driving, you make sure you're safe to do so!
the award for the most unrealistic suggestion goes to...
Why is it unrealistic.

We all pick up bad habits.

If you took all the miles driven in one single day across the nation the amount of highway codes ignored would be startling high.
[quote][p][bold]stench[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]irisred[/bold] wrote: Safest way to make the roads safer? Make people take re-tests every 10 years and they have to drive a certain number of miles per year to maintain competencies... bit like nurses and doctors have to! Driving is a privilege, not a right, and should be treated as one! You want to keep driving, you make sure you're safe to do so![/p][/quote]the award for the most unrealistic suggestion goes to...[/p][/quote]Why is it unrealistic. We all pick up bad habits. If you took all the miles driven in one single day across the nation the amount of highway codes ignored would be startling high. ohcetesrod
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6:14pm Tue 19 Jun 12

irisred says...

ohcetesrod wrote:
stench wrote:
irisred wrote:
Safest way to make the roads safer? Make people take re-tests every 10 years and they have to drive a certain number of miles per year to maintain competencies... bit like nurses and doctors have to! Driving is a privilege, not a right, and should be treated as one! You want to keep driving, you make sure you're safe to do so!
the award for the most unrealistic suggestion goes to...
Why is it unrealistic.

We all pick up bad habits.

If you took all the miles driven in one single day across the nation the amount of highway codes ignored would be startling high.
Yes exactly, please tell me why this is unrealistic?

Whether it be 5 years or 10 years, I have said, since I passed my test, that its strange such a thing isn't re-tested. The highway code changes - look at people that don't know the modern and now correct way to indicate around a roundabout as one example.

I think the only people that would refute this suggestion are those that fear they wouldn't pass again, who are indeed a danger on the road.

I don't live in Weymouth any more but I visit several times a month, I use this junction and I don't have an issue with it, but I have seen people that clearly don't know how to use it and they are the ones that make it dangerous, not necessarily the junction itself.

Don't cater to the fools on the road, take the fools off the road!!
[quote][p][bold]ohcetesrod[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stench[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]irisred[/bold] wrote: Safest way to make the roads safer? Make people take re-tests every 10 years and they have to drive a certain number of miles per year to maintain competencies... bit like nurses and doctors have to! Driving is a privilege, not a right, and should be treated as one! You want to keep driving, you make sure you're safe to do so![/p][/quote]the award for the most unrealistic suggestion goes to...[/p][/quote]Why is it unrealistic. We all pick up bad habits. If you took all the miles driven in one single day across the nation the amount of highway codes ignored would be startling high.[/p][/quote]Yes exactly, please tell me why this is unrealistic? Whether it be 5 years or 10 years, I have said, since I passed my test, that its strange such a thing isn't re-tested. The highway code changes - look at people that don't know the modern and now correct way to indicate around a roundabout as one example. I think the only people that would refute this suggestion are those that fear they wouldn't pass again, who are indeed a danger on the road. I don't live in Weymouth any more but I visit several times a month, I use this junction and I don't have an issue with it, but I have seen people that clearly don't know how to use it and they are the ones that make it dangerous, not necessarily the junction itself. Don't cater to the fools on the road, take the fools off the road!! irisred
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6:38pm Tue 19 Jun 12

ohcetesrod says...

Have we miss understood each other? I am all for being retested.

At the same time the penalties for speeding, using mobile phones, jumping lights etc should be much bigger.
Have we miss understood each other? I am all for being retested. At the same time the penalties for speeding, using mobile phones, jumping lights etc should be much bigger. ohcetesrod
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6:39pm Tue 19 Jun 12

ksmain says...

harpic wrote:
It isn't the cross roads it is the drivers that use it. I cycle, walk or ride a motorcycle through here regularly and not a problem. Most drivers are okay but some do not use indicators to signal a turn so no one knows where they are going and that is the problem. Fine the drivers not change the road lay out, foreigners seem to use it okay so...?
Rubbish. It is the crossroads. There is simply too much as a motorist to keep an eye on. It needs simplifying before someone is killed on it. Why fine the drivers - why are they at fault. Ok clever Harpic - if you were a motorist coming from the harbour and crossing over to ASDA, what do you keep an eye on - the numerous different lights, the pedestrian crossings, the lane you should be waiting in or a cyclist coming down the hill turning right? It is very confusing and takes a split second to make a wrong decision!!!!
[quote][p][bold]harpic[/bold] wrote: It isn't the cross roads it is the drivers that use it. I cycle, walk or ride a motorcycle through here regularly and not a problem. Most drivers are okay but some do not use indicators to signal a turn so no one knows where they are going and that is the problem. Fine the drivers not change the road lay out, foreigners seem to use it okay so...?[/p][/quote]Rubbish. It is the crossroads. There is simply too much as a motorist to keep an eye on. It needs simplifying before someone is killed on it. Why fine the drivers - why are they at fault. Ok clever Harpic - if you were a motorist coming from the harbour and crossing over to ASDA, what do you keep an eye on - the numerous different lights, the pedestrian crossings, the lane you should be waiting in or a cyclist coming down the hill turning right? It is very confusing and takes a split second to make a wrong decision!!!! ksmain
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6:40pm Tue 19 Jun 12

ade123 says...

leo210856 wrote:
ade123 wrote:
leo210856 wrote:
ade123 wrote: I have just registered as I have just read all the comments some of which are very childish and insulting.This junction in my opinion IS AN ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN you get a GREEN light but you dont have right of way RIDICULOUS Im sure this is against the highway code.I am A retired Weymouth Taxi driver and HGV driver and have been driving for over47 years The junction NEEDS to be sorted out.
My neice said the same thing to me but I can name numerous examples where his happens in Weymouth just because you have a green light it doesnt mean that traffic coming the other way doesnt have priority. Quite simply this junction has to deal with traffic coming and going in several directions so it was never going to be easy to try and deal with the previous delays and at the same timemake the junction easy to navigate.
Name Them
1 Turning into Granby from Chickerell Road 2Turning in Lynch Lane from Lanehouse Rocks Road 3 Goinginto Morrisons from Dorchester Road 4 Turning into Littlemoor Road from Dorchester Road In all instances you cann have a green Light but your way forward can be blocked by oncoming traffic also having a green light
Two words.Filter Arrow
[quote][p][bold]leo210856[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ade123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]leo210856[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ade123[/bold] wrote: I have just registered as I have just read all the comments some of which are very childish and insulting.This junction in my opinion IS AN ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN you get a GREEN light but you dont have right of way RIDICULOUS Im sure this is against the highway code.I am A retired Weymouth Taxi driver and HGV driver and have been driving for over47 years The junction NEEDS to be sorted out.[/p][/quote]My neice said the same thing to me but I can name numerous examples where his happens in Weymouth just because you have a green light it doesnt mean that traffic coming the other way doesnt have priority. Quite simply this junction has to deal with traffic coming and going in several directions so it was never going to be easy to try and deal with the previous delays and at the same timemake the junction easy to navigate.[/p][/quote]Name Them[/p][/quote]1 Turning into Granby from Chickerell Road 2Turning in Lynch Lane from Lanehouse Rocks Road 3 Goinginto Morrisons from Dorchester Road 4 Turning into Littlemoor Road from Dorchester Road In all instances you cann have a green Light but your way forward can be blocked by oncoming traffic also having a green light[/p][/quote]Two words.Filter Arrow ade123
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6:54pm Tue 19 Jun 12

portlandboy says...

ksmain wrote:
harpic wrote:
It isn't the cross roads it is the drivers that use it. I cycle, walk or ride a motorcycle through here regularly and not a problem. Most drivers are okay but some do not use indicators to signal a turn so no one knows where they are going and that is the problem. Fine the drivers not change the road lay out, foreigners seem to use it okay so...?
Rubbish. It is the crossroads. There is simply too much as a motorist to keep an eye on. It needs simplifying before someone is killed on it. Why fine the drivers - why are they at fault. Ok clever Harpic - if you were a motorist coming from the harbour and crossing over to ASDA, what do you keep an eye on - the numerous different lights, the pedestrian crossings, the lane you should be waiting in or a cyclist coming down the hill turning right? It is very confusing and takes a split second to make a wrong decision!!!!
It is only too clear that this junction needs simplifying. Has anyone noticed the lack of directional signing when approaching the junction from Westwey Road? Absent only because they would simply be too difficult to draw, read or understand.
[quote][p][bold]ksmain[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]harpic[/bold] wrote: It isn't the cross roads it is the drivers that use it. I cycle, walk or ride a motorcycle through here regularly and not a problem. Most drivers are okay but some do not use indicators to signal a turn so no one knows where they are going and that is the problem. Fine the drivers not change the road lay out, foreigners seem to use it okay so...?[/p][/quote]Rubbish. It is the crossroads. There is simply too much as a motorist to keep an eye on. It needs simplifying before someone is killed on it. Why fine the drivers - why are they at fault. Ok clever Harpic - if you were a motorist coming from the harbour and crossing over to ASDA, what do you keep an eye on - the numerous different lights, the pedestrian crossings, the lane you should be waiting in or a cyclist coming down the hill turning right? It is very confusing and takes a split second to make a wrong decision!!!![/p][/quote]It is only too clear that this junction needs simplifying. Has anyone noticed the lack of directional signing when approaching the junction from Westwey Road? Absent only because they would simply be too difficult to draw, read or understand. portlandboy
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7:16pm Tue 19 Jun 12

Phaedrus says...

I spy another scruffy miserable-looking councillor!
I spy another scruffy miserable-looking councillor! Phaedrus
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7:25pm Tue 19 Jun 12

Ashers 5 says...

Absolutely Ridiculous....if you don't know how this junction works then may I suggest you consult the highway code,take another driving test and meantime STOP driving immediately.
Roads don't cause accidents,STUPID people do !
Use the junction daily,in all directions and have no problem whatsoever.
In the words of a certain Mr Gump.....Stupid is as stupid does.
Absolutely Ridiculous....if you don't know how this junction works then may I suggest you consult the highway code,take another driving test and meantime STOP driving immediately. Roads don't cause accidents,STUPID people do ! Use the junction daily,in all directions and have no problem whatsoever. In the words of a certain Mr Gump.....Stupid is as stupid does. Ashers 5
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7:30pm Tue 19 Jun 12

Weston7 says...

Just read this article;
http://tinyurl.com/c
bztrve
Just read this article; http://tinyurl.com/c bztrve Weston7
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7:32pm Tue 19 Jun 12

Weston7 says...

Weston7 wrote:
Just read this article;
http://tinyurl.com/c

bztrve
I meant this one:
http://tinyurl.com/c
48ks5y
[quote][p][bold]Weston7[/bold] wrote: Just read this article; http://tinyurl.com/c bztrve[/p][/quote]I meant this one: http://tinyurl.com/c 48ks5y Weston7
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7:37pm Tue 19 Jun 12

Ashers 5 says...

Weston7 wrote:
Just read this article;
http://tinyurl.com/c

bztrve
Mmmm,Was mostly interesting,then I saw who wrote it. Health and Social care journalist.?????
[quote][p][bold]Weston7[/bold] wrote: Just read this article; http://tinyurl.com/c bztrve[/p][/quote]Mmmm,Was mostly interesting,then I saw who wrote it. Health and Social care journalist.????? Ashers 5
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7:37pm Tue 19 Jun 12

Ashers 5 says...

Weston7 wrote:
Just read this article;
http://tinyurl.com/c

bztrve
Mmmm,Was mostly interesting,then I saw who wrote it. Health and Social care journalist.?????
[quote][p][bold]Weston7[/bold] wrote: Just read this article; http://tinyurl.com/c bztrve[/p][/quote]Mmmm,Was mostly interesting,then I saw who wrote it. Health and Social care journalist.????? Ashers 5
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7:46pm Tue 19 Jun 12

happilyretired says...

Pontless change from roundabout that worked well. Now coming down Westway, having already been pointlessly held up up at the Westham bridge lights while a few cars were negotiating them you actually have a green light to proceed up Boot Hill but cannotbecause 3 cars want to turn right into Newstead Rd. Also early in the morning and later in the evening, when very little traffic I am held up by red lights. And while I'm about it the small roundabout at Wyke church has a Give Way sign from Lanehouse Rocks way. It's a roundabout, general rule give way to traffic from the right. Or does this sign also mean Give Way to traffic coming down Wyke Rd.
I also agree with the comments of the pedestrians as I have also experienced a motorist zooming off from North Quay when they have a green only to find out that the pedestrians have also been given a green. And as for the idiot drivers doing U-turns. And why, when coming up Boot Hill am I stopped at a redlight at Wyke Rd and yet the traffic coming down has a green.
On the whole the changes from roundabouts to traffic lights have not improved my travel times and did not warrant the £16million.
Pontless change from roundabout that worked well. Now coming down Westway, having already been pointlessly held up up at the Westham bridge lights while a few cars were negotiating them you actually have a green light to proceed up Boot Hill but cannotbecause 3 cars want to turn right into Newstead Rd. Also early in the morning and later in the evening, when very little traffic I am held up by red lights. And while I'm about it the small roundabout at Wyke church has a Give Way sign from Lanehouse Rocks way. It's a roundabout, general rule give way to traffic from the right. Or does this sign also mean Give Way to traffic coming down Wyke Rd. I also agree with the comments of the pedestrians as I have also experienced a motorist zooming off from North Quay when they have a green only to find out that the pedestrians have also been given a green. And as for the idiot drivers doing U-turns. And why, when coming up Boot Hill am I stopped at a redlight at Wyke Rd and yet the traffic coming down has a green. On the whole the changes from roundabouts to traffic lights have not improved my travel times and did not warrant the £16million. happilyretired
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7:49pm Tue 19 Jun 12

leo210856 says...

ade123 wrote:
leo210856 wrote:
ade123 wrote:
leo210856 wrote:
ade123 wrote: I have just registered as I have just read all the comments some of which are very childish and insulting.This junction in my opinion IS AN ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN you get a GREEN light but you dont have right of way RIDICULOUS Im sure this is against the highway code.I am A retired Weymouth Taxi driver and HGV driver and have been driving for over47 years The junction NEEDS to be sorted out.
My neice said the same thing to me but I can name numerous examples where his happens in Weymouth just because you have a green light it doesnt mean that traffic coming the other way doesnt have priority. Quite simply this junction has to deal with traffic coming and going in several directions so it was never going to be easy to try and deal with the previous delays and at the same timemake the junction easy to navigate.
Name Them
1 Turning into Granby from Chickerell Road 2Turning in Lynch Lane from Lanehouse Rocks Road 3 Goinginto Morrisons from Dorchester Road 4 Turning into Littlemoor Road from Dorchester Road In all instances you cann have a green Light but your way forward can be blocked by oncoming traffic also having a green light
Two words.Filter Arrow
The filter arrow comes on at the end of the go cycle.
Suggest you look at these junctions again. The lights turn to green but 9 times out of ten you cant go as on coming traffic has priority.
[quote][p][bold]ade123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]leo210856[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ade123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]leo210856[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ade123[/bold] wrote: I have just registered as I have just read all the comments some of which are very childish and insulting.This junction in my opinion IS AN ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN you get a GREEN light but you dont have right of way RIDICULOUS Im sure this is against the highway code.I am A retired Weymouth Taxi driver and HGV driver and have been driving for over47 years The junction NEEDS to be sorted out.[/p][/quote]My neice said the same thing to me but I can name numerous examples where his happens in Weymouth just because you have a green light it doesnt mean that traffic coming the other way doesnt have priority. Quite simply this junction has to deal with traffic coming and going in several directions so it was never going to be easy to try and deal with the previous delays and at the same timemake the junction easy to navigate.[/p][/quote]Name Them[/p][/quote]1 Turning into Granby from Chickerell Road 2Turning in Lynch Lane from Lanehouse Rocks Road 3 Goinginto Morrisons from Dorchester Road 4 Turning into Littlemoor Road from Dorchester Road In all instances you cann have a green Light but your way forward can be blocked by oncoming traffic also having a green light[/p][/quote]Two words.Filter Arrow[/p][/quote]The filter arrow comes on at the end of the go cycle. Suggest you look at these junctions again. The lights turn to green but 9 times out of ten you cant go as on coming traffic has priority. leo210856
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8:14pm Tue 19 Jun 12

ade123 says...

Yes and then you go.but you can go before if its clear.The whole point is This is a dangerous junction that needs to be sorted,very bad planning (if any) the rumour is that its all so that the dignatories at the olympics can have a clear run through and then the roundabouts will be reinstated only a rumour but watch this space.Probably be reported that, after complaints re the new traffic lights it has been decided to reinstate the roundabouts to keep the people of Weymouth Happy.(This of course will be AFTER the olympics )
Yes and then you go.but you can go before if its clear.The whole point is This is a dangerous junction that needs to be sorted,very bad planning (if any) the rumour is that its all so that the dignatories at the olympics can have a clear run through and then the roundabouts will be reinstated only a rumour but watch this space.Probably be reported that, after complaints re the new traffic lights it has been decided to reinstate the roundabouts to keep the people of Weymouth Happy.(This of course will be AFTER the olympics ) ade123
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8:15pm Tue 19 Jun 12

HotBeaver1 says...

the junction outside Dorchester West station is pretty similar to the Asda one except it has an extra road and yet it doesn't seem to have problems. Perhaps Dorchester Drivers are smarter than Weymouth ones...
the junction outside Dorchester West station is pretty similar to the Asda one except it has an extra road and yet it doesn't seem to have problems. Perhaps Dorchester Drivers are smarter than Weymouth ones... HotBeaver1
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8:33pm Tue 19 Jun 12

Polly53 says...

ade123 wrote:
I have just registered as I have just read all the comments some of which are very childish and insulting.This junction in my opinion IS AN ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN you get a GREEN light but you dont have right of way RIDICULOUS Im sure this is against the highway code.I am A retired Weymouth Taxi driver and HGV driver and have been driving for over47 years The junction NEEDS to be sorted out.
I quite agree, if you're going from asda up boot hill then you've got to wait for the traffic coming past the old fire station until their light goes red, effectively leaving you in no-mans land! Also the merging lanes wouldn't be a problem if they were clearly marked. its not so much the one going from boot hill to to the gasometer but coming the other way, people get in the right hand lane then suddenly realise they're in the lane for chickerell rd, a lot indicate when they realise their mistake and you have to let them out (courtesy cost nothing and saves a prang) but a lot don't bother indicating they just push their way back into the traffic continuing up boot hill. My daughter doesn't drive she walks everywhere and she has noticed that the harbour pedestrians often say green for crossing for the pedestrians at the same time as they go green for the cars, she gets abuse shouted at her by the drivers but she's only following the lights instructions, its not the drivers fault as they can't see the pedestrian lights. She was in the same year as Lewis at Budmouth I can't imagine how I'd cope if anything happened to her because of this light system, we shall have to see what the accident report says, but in my heart I feel this junction and its planners are to blame.
[quote][p][bold]ade123[/bold] wrote: I have just registered as I have just read all the comments some of which are very childish and insulting.This junction in my opinion IS AN ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN you get a GREEN light but you dont have right of way RIDICULOUS Im sure this is against the highway code.I am A retired Weymouth Taxi driver and HGV driver and have been driving for over47 years The junction NEEDS to be sorted out.[/p][/quote]I quite agree, if you're going from asda up boot hill then you've got to wait for the traffic coming past the old fire station until their light goes red, effectively leaving you in no-mans land! Also the merging lanes wouldn't be a problem if they were clearly marked. its not so much the one going from boot hill to to the gasometer but coming the other way, people get in the right hand lane then suddenly realise they're in the lane for chickerell rd, a lot indicate when they realise their mistake and you have to let them out (courtesy cost nothing and saves a prang) but a lot don't bother indicating they just push their way back into the traffic continuing up boot hill. My daughter doesn't drive she walks everywhere and she has noticed that the harbour pedestrians often say green for crossing for the pedestrians at the same time as they go green for the cars, she gets abuse shouted at her by the drivers but she's only following the lights instructions, its not the drivers fault as they can't see the pedestrian lights. She was in the same year as Lewis at Budmouth I can't imagine how I'd cope if anything happened to her because of this light system, we shall have to see what the accident report says, but in my heart I feel this junction and its planners are to blame. Polly53
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8:42pm Tue 19 Jun 12

leo210856 says...

ade123 wrote:
Yes and then you go.but you can go before if its clear.The whole point is This is a dangerous junction that needs to be sorted,very bad planning (if any) the rumour is that its all so that the dignatories at the olympics can have a clear run through and then the roundabouts will be reinstated only a rumour but watch this space.Probably be reported that, after complaints re the new traffic lights it has been decided to reinstate the roundabouts to keep the people of Weymouth Happy.(This of course will be AFTER the olympics )
Weymouth people happy. That dare I say would be impossible.

I do however agree that this a complex junction perhaps made far more complex than was needed but and yes a simple traffic light controled roundabout would have been better. However having said that I am really not looking forward to going through the re designed traffic controled roundabout at Canford Bottom
[quote][p][bold]ade123[/bold] wrote: Yes and then you go.but you can go before if its clear.The whole point is This is a dangerous junction that needs to be sorted,very bad planning (if any) the rumour is that its all so that the dignatories at the olympics can have a clear run through and then the roundabouts will be reinstated only a rumour but watch this space.Probably be reported that, after complaints re the new traffic lights it has been decided to reinstate the roundabouts to keep the people of Weymouth Happy.(This of course will be AFTER the olympics )[/p][/quote]Weymouth people happy. That dare I say would be impossible. I do however agree that this a complex junction perhaps made far more complex than was needed but and yes a simple traffic light controled roundabout would have been better. However having said that I am really not looking forward to going through the re designed traffic controled roundabout at Canford Bottom leo210856
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9:01pm Tue 19 Jun 12

portlandboy says...

HotBeaver1 wrote:
the junction outside Dorchester West station is pretty similar to the Asda one except it has an extra road and yet it doesn't seem to have problems. Perhaps Dorchester Drivers are smarter than Weymouth ones...
The difference at the Dorchester junction is that the pedestrian crossings are built into the traffic light sequence, stopping ALL vehicles at the same time and reducing the number of lights by 50%. It's not the Dorchester drivers being smarter but the designer of the junction.
[quote][p][bold]HotBeaver1[/bold] wrote: the junction outside Dorchester West station is pretty similar to the Asda one except it has an extra road and yet it doesn't seem to have problems. Perhaps Dorchester Drivers are smarter than Weymouth ones...[/p][/quote]The difference at the Dorchester junction is that the pedestrian crossings are built into the traffic light sequence, stopping ALL vehicles at the same time and reducing the number of lights by 50%. It's not the Dorchester drivers being smarter but the designer of the junction. portlandboy
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9:43pm Tue 19 Jun 12

weymouthadmirer says...

Here is a link to written correspondence to Dorset County Council requesting basic information regarding the junction. DCC's attempts to avoid providing the information is utterley breath-taking: http://www.whatdothe
yknow.com/request/we
ymouth_transport_pac
kage
Here is a link to written correspondence to Dorset County Council requesting basic information regarding the junction. DCC's attempts to avoid providing the information is utterley breath-taking: http://www.whatdothe yknow.com/request/we ymouth_transport_pac kage weymouthadmirer
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10:22pm Tue 19 Jun 12

ade123 says...

leo210856 wrote:
ade123 wrote: Yes and then you go.but you can go before if its clear.The whole point is This is a dangerous junction that needs to be sorted,very bad planning (if any) the rumour is that its all so that the dignatories at the olympics can have a clear run through and then the roundabouts will be reinstated only a rumour but watch this space.Probably be reported that, after complaints re the new traffic lights it has been decided to reinstate the roundabouts to keep the people of Weymouth Happy.(This of course will be AFTER the olympics )
Weymouth people happy. That dare I say would be impossible. I do however agree that this a complex junction perhaps made far more complex than was needed but and yes a simple traffic light controled roundabout would have been better. However having said that I am really not looking forward to going through the re designed traffic controled roundabout at Canford Bottom
Me thinks you just like the sound of your own voice.You are missing the whole point.
[quote][p][bold]leo210856[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ade123[/bold] wrote: Yes and then you go.but you can go before if its clear.The whole point is This is a dangerous junction that needs to be sorted,very bad planning (if any) the rumour is that its all so that the dignatories at the olympics can have a clear run through and then the roundabouts will be reinstated only a rumour but watch this space.Probably be reported that, after complaints re the new traffic lights it has been decided to reinstate the roundabouts to keep the people of Weymouth Happy.(This of course will be AFTER the olympics )[/p][/quote]Weymouth people happy. That dare I say would be impossible. I do however agree that this a complex junction perhaps made far more complex than was needed but and yes a simple traffic light controled roundabout would have been better. However having said that I am really not looking forward to going through the re designed traffic controled roundabout at Canford Bottom[/p][/quote]Me thinks you just like the sound of your own voice.You are missing the whole point. ade123
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10:29pm Tue 19 Jun 12

maximan says...

but you got love the bit where the grockle takes the inside lane from Westway to get up Boot Hill...only to find they are now in the Chickerell Road feeder lane..
but you got love the bit where the grockle takes the inside lane from Westway to get up Boot Hill...only to find they are now in the Chickerell Road feeder lane.. maximan
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10:59pm Tue 19 Jun 12

leo210856 says...

ade123 wrote:
leo210856 wrote:
ade123 wrote: Yes and then you go.but you can go before if its clear.The whole point is This is a dangerous junction that needs to be sorted,very bad planning (if any) the rumour is that its all so that the dignatories at the olympics can have a clear run through and then the roundabouts will be reinstated only a rumour but watch this space.Probably be reported that, after complaints re the new traffic lights it has been decided to reinstate the roundabouts to keep the people of Weymouth Happy.(This of course will be AFTER the olympics )
Weymouth people happy. That dare I say would be impossible. I do however agree that this a complex junction perhaps made far more complex than was needed but and yes a simple traffic light controled roundabout would have been better. However having said that I am really not looking forward to going through the re designed traffic controled roundabout at Canford Bottom
Me thinks you just like the sound of your own voice.You are missing the whole point.
ade 123
As was pointed out elsewhere your understanding of traffic law etc is wrong now you introduce into the debate some sort of rumour about changes after the olympics
I am not missing the point at all dare I suggest you arent prepared to listen to others points of view
As I said earlier this is a complex junction the planners no doubt relied too much on theory rather than reality they will have to review traffic flows etc and indeed may well have to alter matters but lets not forget what some people are advocating a return to what was as if it was perect. It wasnt the dealys were horrendous without doubt traffic flows quicker but as I already acknowledged this junction is comlex to navigate
[quote][p][bold]ade123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]leo210856[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ade123[/bold] wrote: Yes and then you go.but you can go before if its clear.The whole point is This is a dangerous junction that needs to be sorted,very bad planning (if any) the rumour is that its all so that the dignatories at the olympics can have a clear run through and then the roundabouts will be reinstated only a rumour but watch this space.Probably be reported that, after complaints re the new traffic lights it has been decided to reinstate the roundabouts to keep the people of Weymouth Happy.(This of course will be AFTER the olympics )[/p][/quote]Weymouth people happy. That dare I say would be impossible. I do however agree that this a complex junction perhaps made far more complex than was needed but and yes a simple traffic light controled roundabout would have been better. However having said that I am really not looking forward to going through the re designed traffic controled roundabout at Canford Bottom[/p][/quote]Me thinks you just like the sound of your own voice.You are missing the whole point.[/p][/quote]ade 123 As was pointed out elsewhere your understanding of traffic law etc is wrong now you introduce into the debate some sort of rumour about changes after the olympics I am not missing the point at all dare I suggest you arent prepared to listen to others points of view As I said earlier this is a complex junction the planners no doubt relied too much on theory rather than reality they will have to review traffic flows etc and indeed may well have to alter matters but lets not forget what some people are advocating a return to what was as if it was perect. It wasnt the dealys were horrendous without doubt traffic flows quicker but as I already acknowledged this junction is comlex to navigate leo210856
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11:40pm Tue 19 Jun 12

banknote says...

maximan wrote:
but you got love the bit where the grockle takes the inside lane from Westway to get up Boot Hill...only to find they are now in the Chickerell Road feeder lane..
Absolutely right. I have driven all over the world and this is one of the most confusing junctions I'ver ever come accross.

When the first fatality occurs, I hope to see "Andy" Ackerman in the dock.
[quote][p][bold]maximan[/bold] wrote: but you got love the bit where the grockle takes the inside lane from Westway to get up Boot Hill...only to find they are now in the Chickerell Road feeder lane..[/p][/quote]Absolutely right. I have driven all over the world and this is one of the most confusing junctions I'ver ever come accross. When the first fatality occurs, I hope to see "Andy" Ackerman in the dock. banknote
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11:44pm Tue 19 Jun 12

banknote says...

alaric wrote:
Roundabout with lights to control flow please. Much easier.
Correct, but try telling the Highways Department at County Hall that........
[quote][p][bold]alaric[/bold] wrote: Roundabout with lights to control flow please. Much easier.[/p][/quote]Correct, but try telling the Highways Department at County Hall that........ banknote
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12:46am Wed 20 Jun 12

Polly53 says...

maximan wrote:
but you got love the bit where the grockle takes the inside lane from Westway to get up Boot Hill...only to find they are now in the Chickerell Road feeder lane..
It is funny maximan except when they try and push their way back in the other line of traffic without indicating. I'd like my family and I to stay in one piece, and I'm quite fond of my car as well :) I do a lot of driving to family scattered all over England and this is the worst junction I've come across and its got nothing to do with Weymouth people being bad drivers or us not venturing out of our little areas! I love Weymouth, I'm happy here and I'm not one of these moaning minnies that other people seem to think frequent this blog. This junction always makes me feel like I'm taking my life in my hands.
[quote][p][bold]maximan[/bold] wrote: but you got love the bit where the grockle takes the inside lane from Westway to get up Boot Hill...only to find they are now in the Chickerell Road feeder lane..[/p][/quote]It is funny maximan except when they try and push their way back in the other line of traffic without indicating. I'd like my family and I to stay in one piece, and I'm quite fond of my car as well :) I do a lot of driving to family scattered all over England and this is the worst junction I've come across and its got nothing to do with Weymouth people being bad drivers or us not venturing out of our little areas! I love Weymouth, I'm happy here and I'm not one of these moaning minnies that other people seem to think frequent this blog. This junction always makes me feel like I'm taking my life in my hands. Polly53
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8:29am Wed 20 Jun 12

ksmain says...

HotBeaver1 wrote:
the junction outside Dorchester West station is pretty similar to the Asda one except it has an extra road and yet it doesn't seem to have problems. Perhaps Dorchester Drivers are smarter than Weymouth ones...
The Dorchester Junction that you refer to is much simpler, is less open, dosent have filter lanes and has only one (it may be 2) pedestrian crossings. It isnt like the ASDA Junction at all. If it was, there wouldnt be 76 previous comments to this article. I would also suggest that this junction in Dorchester has a little less traffic going through it.
[quote][p][bold]HotBeaver1[/bold] wrote: the junction outside Dorchester West station is pretty similar to the Asda one except it has an extra road and yet it doesn't seem to have problems. Perhaps Dorchester Drivers are smarter than Weymouth ones...[/p][/quote]The Dorchester Junction that you refer to is much simpler, is less open, dosent have filter lanes and has only one (it may be 2) pedestrian crossings. It isnt like the ASDA Junction at all. If it was, there wouldnt be 76 previous comments to this article. I would also suggest that this junction in Dorchester has a little less traffic going through it. ksmain
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9:03am Wed 20 Jun 12

ohcetesrod says...

ksmain wrote:
HotBeaver1 wrote:
the junction outside Dorchester West station is pretty similar to the Asda one except it has an extra road and yet it doesn't seem to have problems. Perhaps Dorchester Drivers are smarter than Weymouth ones...
The Dorchester Junction that you refer to is much simpler, is less open, dosent have filter lanes and has only one (it may be 2) pedestrian crossings. It isnt like the ASDA Junction at all. If it was, there wouldnt be 76 previous comments to this article. I would also suggest that this junction in Dorchester has a little less traffic going through it.
Maybe 76 comments, but how many of those are from the same person, and how many of those are against the traffic lights?
[quote][p][bold]ksmain[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HotBeaver1[/bold] wrote: the junction outside Dorchester West station is pretty similar to the Asda one except it has an extra road and yet it doesn't seem to have problems. Perhaps Dorchester Drivers are smarter than Weymouth ones...[/p][/quote]The Dorchester Junction that you refer to is much simpler, is less open, dosent have filter lanes and has only one (it may be 2) pedestrian crossings. It isnt like the ASDA Junction at all. If it was, there wouldnt be 76 previous comments to this article. I would also suggest that this junction in Dorchester has a little less traffic going through it.[/p][/quote]Maybe 76 comments, but how many of those are from the same person, and how many of those are against the traffic lights? ohcetesrod
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9:16am Wed 20 Jun 12

CharlieBarley says...

Like it or not Weymouth and Portland are tourist destinations so lots of the people using the roads are unfamiliar with them. If the junction is confusing to them then there is a problem. It's fine that those using the junction regularly know where they are going but given the high volume of drivers who don't know where they are going and can't instantly find the right lane that need to be catered for. Of course, it really depends whether the borough wants to welcome tourists (and their wallets) or baffle them and scare them away with overly complicated roads.
Like it or not Weymouth and Portland are tourist destinations so lots of the people using the roads are unfamiliar with them. If the junction is confusing to them then there is a problem. It's fine that those using the junction regularly know where they are going but given the high volume of drivers who don't know where they are going and can't instantly find the right lane that need to be catered for. Of course, it really depends whether the borough wants to welcome tourists (and their wallets) or baffle them and scare them away with overly complicated roads. CharlieBarley
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9:57am Wed 20 Jun 12

harpic says...

stench says...
11:58am Tue 19 Jun 12

harpic wrote:
It isn't the cross roads it is the drivers that use it. I cycle, walk or ride a motorcycle through here regularly and not a problem. Most drivers are okay but some do not use indicators to signal a turn so no one knows where they are going and that is the problem. Fine the drivers not change the road lay out, foreigners seem to use it okay so...?
haha, what a weird comment?

A dig at brits? where is your proff that all foreigners use it okay?

And if it can be made easier to use, even idiot proof, it should, at any cost, even if it prevents one death!

One death. ****! Never heard of a foreigner having an accident there? Stench maybe you are one of the "no indicator" bunch that makes it dangerous, oh now that would cause a Stink or should that be a stench perhaps.....lmfao!
stench says... 11:58am Tue 19 Jun 12 harpic wrote: It isn't the cross roads it is the drivers that use it. I cycle, walk or ride a motorcycle through here regularly and not a problem. Most drivers are okay but some do not use indicators to signal a turn so no one knows where they are going and that is the problem. Fine the drivers not change the road lay out, foreigners seem to use it okay so...? haha, what a weird comment? A dig at brits? where is your proff that all foreigners use it okay? And if it can be made easier to use, even idiot proof, it should, at any cost, even if it prevents one death! One death. ****! Never heard of a foreigner having an accident there? Stench maybe you are one of the "no indicator" bunch that makes it dangerous, oh now that would cause a Stink or should that be a stench perhaps.....lmfao! harpic
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8:29pm Wed 20 Jun 12

FrancisKing says...

I am a transport planner, who designs junctions for a living.

The two-lanes-into-one effort (technically called a funnel) doesn't work, and DCC opposed this solution on another project in Dorset. So I was surprised to see it here.

The lengths of the funnels do seem quite short. Some analysis would be required, but the funnels could be lengthened, or the flares into two lanes removed.

It was not possible to signalise the existing roundabouts - they were too small.
I am a transport planner, who designs junctions for a living. The two-lanes-into-one effort (technically called a funnel) doesn't work, and DCC opposed this solution on another project in Dorset. So I was surprised to see it here. The lengths of the funnels do seem quite short. Some analysis would be required, but the funnels could be lengthened, or the flares into two lanes removed. It was not possible to signalise the existing roundabouts - they were too small. FrancisKing
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8:44pm Wed 20 Jun 12

Weston7 says...

FrancisKing said. "It was not possible to signalise the existing roundabouts - they were too small".
Correct up to a point, but it WOULD have been possible to control access to the roundabout from Newstead Road (Asda) by signals on that approach.
It was the traffic from that entry which caused the queues in Westwey Road - the only significant problem with the previous layout.
FrancisKing said. "It was not possible to signalise the existing roundabouts - they were too small". Correct up to a point, but it WOULD have been possible to control access to the roundabout from Newstead Road (Asda) by signals on that approach. It was the traffic from that entry which caused the queues in Westwey Road - the only significant problem with the previous layout. Weston7
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10:57pm Wed 20 Jun 12

banknote says...

What concerns me is all the negative comments here about the standard of driving etc. As I previously stated I have driven all over the world and this is a very confusing junction.

The blame for this situation should lie with those fifth-rate pen-pushers at County Hall (Ackerman & Piles) who were warned about what was likely to happen and still blindly carried-on, ignoring public opinion.

As I said many moons ago in a commercial organisation, these folk would have lost their jobs, but not at the Ivory Tower known as County Hall. How could a former Tea Boy be appointed "Head of Highways"? Bur remember folks we pay their salaries - and yet we can't see them off!

Finally, please let's stop slagging the area and its residents. We live in a lovely part of the world and should be proud that we are hosting the Olympics. The problem is the quality of some of the present and former "officials" at County Hall.
What concerns me is all the negative comments here about the standard of driving etc. As I previously stated I have driven all over the world and this is a very confusing junction. The blame for this situation should lie with those fifth-rate pen-pushers at County Hall (Ackerman & Piles) who were warned about what was likely to happen and still blindly carried-on, ignoring public opinion. As I said many moons ago in a commercial organisation, these folk would have lost their jobs, but not at the Ivory Tower known as County Hall. How could a former Tea Boy be appointed "Head of Highways"? Bur remember folks we pay their salaries - and yet we can't see them off! Finally, please let's stop slagging the area and its residents. We live in a lovely part of the world and should be proud that we are hosting the Olympics. The problem is the quality of some of the present and former "officials" at County Hall. banknote
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11:55pm Wed 20 Jun 12

FrancisKing says...

Weston7 wrote:
FrancisKing said. "It was not possible to signalise the existing roundabouts - they were too small".
Correct up to a point, but it WOULD have been possible to control access to the roundabout from Newstead Road (Asda) by signals on that approach.
It was the traffic from that entry which caused the queues in Westwey Road - the only significant problem with the previous layout.
The process that you describe is called metering. An approach with low traffic flows is controlled by traffic signals. This approach is then a bit worse off, but by reducing circulating flows, other approaches improve.

But, you appear to be suggesting metering an approach which already has a lot of traffic. That appears to be the wrong way round. It would require careful analysis.
[quote][p][bold]Weston7[/bold] wrote: FrancisKing said. "It was not possible to signalise the existing roundabouts - they were too small". Correct up to a point, but it WOULD have been possible to control access to the roundabout from Newstead Road (Asda) by signals on that approach. It was the traffic from that entry which caused the queues in Westwey Road - the only significant problem with the previous layout.[/p][/quote]The process that you describe is called metering. An approach with low traffic flows is controlled by traffic signals. This approach is then a bit worse off, but by reducing circulating flows, other approaches improve. But, you appear to be suggesting metering an approach which already has a lot of traffic. That appears to be the wrong way round. It would require careful analysis. FrancisKing
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9:55am Thu 21 Jun 12

blobby96 says...

it does help you to cope if the other drivers use there indicators thats what there on the vehicle for in the 1st place.
it does help you to cope if the other drivers use there indicators thats what there on the vehicle for in the 1st place. blobby96
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11:43am Thu 21 Jun 12

Warren Roof says...

Get over it, its happened. Get on with it, its not going to change. It realy isnt that difficult you just have to apply yourself a bit and not drive around in a bubble. Why can people not except change, it never pleases everyone if it did it would be easy, at least the are trying to tackle the issue.
Get over it, its happened. Get on with it, its not going to change. It realy isnt that difficult you just have to apply yourself a bit and not drive around in a bubble. Why can people not except change, it never pleases everyone if it did it would be easy, at least the are trying to tackle the issue. Warren Roof
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1:19pm Thu 21 Jun 12

markerpen says...

This junction was always challenging and you always had to give way and expect the unexpected.

Unfortunately now this junction gives a green light but no warning of give-way once encouraged to move forward on the light, which is dangerous for some drivers....in my opinion.

On another issue I hope the design was checked by independent (external) safety auditors and not 'in-house' auditors who could be pressurised by the interests of their managers.

.
This junction was always challenging and you always had to give way and expect the unexpected. Unfortunately now this junction gives a green light but no warning of give-way once encouraged to move forward on the light, which is dangerous for some drivers....in my opinion. On another issue I hope the design was checked by independent (external) safety auditors and not 'in-house' auditors who could be pressurised by the interests of their managers. . markerpen
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3:02pm Thu 21 Jun 12

Polly53 says...

Warren Roof wrote:
Get over it, its happened. Get on with it, its not going to change. It realy isnt that difficult you just have to apply yourself a bit and not drive around in a bubble. Why can people not except change, it never pleases everyone if it did it would be easy, at least the are trying to tackle the issue.
I hope I speak for the majority on here, if not I apologise. It's nothing to do with driving around in a bubble, it's nothing to do with not wanting change, if it's for the better and neither is it about Weymouthonians being bad drives or having to put up with others not signalling appropriately whether they're groccles or not, although this does compound the situation. It's about bad planning! Btw do you know why we've got these light s for the Olympics, because all the officials cars are fitted with sensors to make the lights go green as they approach them so as to have a traffic free ride to the sailing venue. 'I'm alright Jack bugger you' springs immediately to mind!
[quote][p][bold]Warren Roof[/bold] wrote: Get over it, its happened. Get on with it, its not going to change. It realy isnt that difficult you just have to apply yourself a bit and not drive around in a bubble. Why can people not except change, it never pleases everyone if it did it would be easy, at least the are trying to tackle the issue.[/p][/quote]I hope I speak for the majority on here, if not I apologise. It's nothing to do with driving around in a bubble, it's nothing to do with not wanting change, if it's for the better and neither is it about Weymouthonians being bad drives or having to put up with others not signalling appropriately whether they're groccles or not, although this does compound the situation. It's about bad planning! Btw do you know why we've got these light s for the Olympics, because all the officials cars are fitted with sensors to make the lights go green as they approach them so as to have a traffic free ride to the sailing venue. 'I'm alright Jack bugger you' springs immediately to mind! Polly53
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3:29pm Thu 21 Jun 12

ohcetesrod says...

Polly53 wrote:
Warren Roof wrote:
Get over it, its happened. Get on with it, its not going to change. It realy isnt that difficult you just have to apply yourself a bit and not drive around in a bubble. Why can people not except change, it never pleases everyone if it did it would be easy, at least the are trying to tackle the issue.
I hope I speak for the majority on here, if not I apologise. It's nothing to do with driving around in a bubble, it's nothing to do with not wanting change, if it's for the better and neither is it about Weymouthonians being bad drives or having to put up with others not signalling appropriately whether they're groccles or not, although this does compound the situation. It's about bad planning! Btw do you know why we've got these light s for the Olympics, because all the officials cars are fitted with sensors to make the lights go green as they approach them so as to have a traffic free ride to the sailing venue. 'I'm alright Jack bugger you' springs immediately to mind!
How do you know you speak for the majority?

And how do you know the cars are fitted with sensors. Is it because someone who told someone who told someone else then mentioned it to you, or have you seen 100% proof?
[quote][p][bold]Polly53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Warren Roof[/bold] wrote: Get over it, its happened. Get on with it, its not going to change. It realy isnt that difficult you just have to apply yourself a bit and not drive around in a bubble. Why can people not except change, it never pleases everyone if it did it would be easy, at least the are trying to tackle the issue.[/p][/quote]I hope I speak for the majority on here, if not I apologise. It's nothing to do with driving around in a bubble, it's nothing to do with not wanting change, if it's for the better and neither is it about Weymouthonians being bad drives or having to put up with others not signalling appropriately whether they're groccles or not, although this does compound the situation. It's about bad planning! Btw do you know why we've got these light s for the Olympics, because all the officials cars are fitted with sensors to make the lights go green as they approach them so as to have a traffic free ride to the sailing venue. 'I'm alright Jack bugger you' springs immediately to mind![/p][/quote]How do you know you speak for the majority? And how do you know the cars are fitted with sensors. Is it because someone who told someone who told someone else then mentioned it to you, or have you seen 100% proof? ohcetesrod
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3:34pm Thu 21 Jun 12

IDONTKNOWIFITISTRRUE says...

Enter this in a Google search
'olympics vehicle traffic lights'.
One article says 'Adjustments will be made to 1,300 traffic lights to smooth the path of Games vehicles.'
Enter this in a Google search 'olympics vehicle traffic lights'. One article says 'Adjustments will be made to 1,300 traffic lights to smooth the path of Games vehicles.' IDONTKNOWIFITISTRRUE
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3:47pm Thu 21 Jun 12

ohcetesrod says...

IDONTKNOWIFITISTRRUE wrote:
Enter this in a Google search
'olympics vehicle traffic lights'.
One article says 'Adjustments will be made to 1,300 traffic lights to smooth the path of Games vehicles.'
Fair enough, but the article I read does not mention Weymouth.
[quote][p][bold]IDONTKNOWIFITISTRRUE[/bold] wrote: Enter this in a Google search 'olympics vehicle traffic lights'. One article says 'Adjustments will be made to 1,300 traffic lights to smooth the path of Games vehicles.'[/p][/quote]Fair enough, but the article I read does not mention Weymouth. ohcetesrod
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4:14pm Thu 21 Jun 12

RobinofLocksley says...

IDONTKNOWIFITISTRRUE wrote:
Enter this in a Google search
'olympics vehicle traffic lights'.
One article says 'Adjustments will be made to 1,300 traffic lights to smooth the path of Games vehicles.'
I can't see what the problem is with that. It would seem to be obvious that competiors and officials should be able to get through the traffic. Games vehicles aren't just for Olympic VIPs, though some people want to see it that way.
[quote][p][bold]IDONTKNOWIFITISTRRUE[/bold] wrote: Enter this in a Google search 'olympics vehicle traffic lights'. One article says 'Adjustments will be made to 1,300 traffic lights to smooth the path of Games vehicles.'[/p][/quote]I can't see what the problem is with that. It would seem to be obvious that competiors and officials should be able to get through the traffic. Games vehicles aren't just for Olympic VIPs, though some people want to see it that way. RobinofLocksley
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4:47pm Thu 21 Jun 12

stench says...

harpic wrote:
stench says... 11:58am Tue 19 Jun 12 harpic wrote: It isn't the cross roads it is the drivers that use it. I cycle, walk or ride a motorcycle through here regularly and not a problem. Most drivers are okay but some do not use indicators to signal a turn so no one knows where they are going and that is the problem. Fine the drivers not change the road lay out, foreigners seem to use it okay so...? haha, what a weird comment? A dig at brits? where is your proff that all foreigners use it okay? And if it can be made easier to use, even idiot proof, it should, at any cost, even if it prevents one death! One death. ****! Never heard of a foreigner having an accident there? Stench maybe you are one of the "no indicator" bunch that makes it dangerous, oh now that would cause a Stink or should that be a stench perhaps.....lmfao!
would take your comment serious, but ending it with lmfao...

that being said, poor defence on your part!
[quote][p][bold]harpic[/bold] wrote: stench says... 11:58am Tue 19 Jun 12 harpic wrote: It isn't the cross roads it is the drivers that use it. I cycle, walk or ride a motorcycle through here regularly and not a problem. Most drivers are okay but some do not use indicators to signal a turn so no one knows where they are going and that is the problem. Fine the drivers not change the road lay out, foreigners seem to use it okay so...? haha, what a weird comment? A dig at brits? where is your proff that all foreigners use it okay? And if it can be made easier to use, even idiot proof, it should, at any cost, even if it prevents one death! One death. ****! Never heard of a foreigner having an accident there? Stench maybe you are one of the "no indicator" bunch that makes it dangerous, oh now that would cause a Stink or should that be a stench perhaps.....lmfao![/p][/quote]would take your comment serious, but ending it with lmfao... that being said, poor defence on your part! stench
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6:33pm Thu 21 Jun 12

greenglasses says...

No comments on the hold ups this morning caused by I believe a power cut!!!!
No comments on the hold ups this morning caused by I believe a power cut!!!! greenglasses
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9:54pm Thu 21 Jun 12

Yellowcave says...

Seems to have gone off the point a bit, however, I am not sure why the suggested review should be limited to just this junction.
This junction is a masterpiece of design: it is a standard cross crossroads with 4 opposite roads. For someone to come up with a design that causes confusion, danger and controversy from a simple spec is true genius.

The review should be on the whole scheme: SCOOT was first proposed by DCC in the 90s and was rightly rejected every time it was resurrected as it was not the right or fitting solution to Weymouth's situation. It was finally quietly incorporated by DCC as part of a public transport improvement package using the justification that Bus times could not be guaranteed unless the junctions were controllable. I do not recollect seeing SCOOT mentioned in any public proposal or discussion, but it was there in one DCC document as it stated that for the buses to have controlled access would require a chargeable update to the SCOOT system. Then along came the Olympics and again DCC proposed the required Olympic route could only be guaranteed with the controlled traffic lights, which brought olympic funding along to the party.

Due to the recession, there is much less traffic on the Weymouth roads now than there was when we had roundabouts, however the new system is so bad that the traffic levels look the same.
Whilst you are sat at the lights look around at the lack of real traffic. Back before the roadworks and WTF (fiasco fits better than package) we would have been waiting at junctions for one or two cars if that. If you are now stuck in a real queue, odds are that it is caused by something that has changed due to the road improvements, over an hour journey times for portland to weymouth buses this morning according to some passengers.

Our old system had problems during the two rush hours and when events were on, and had one major bottleneck at Queens St/Kings St. The new system has interrupted flow all day long; there are many more bottlenecks; unrelated pedestrian crossings within junctions cause dangerous situations; Bus stops have been moved into traffic lines and roads have been narrowed to impede flow; vehicle journey distances as well as times have been increased many fold both in and out of town.

A couple of people have mentioned the U turns at the Boot Hill junction, how else is one supposed to get from Wyke Rd or Chickerell Rd to the Chapelhay/ Rodwell Area. The planners were aware of the requirement which is why the island and width are there to accommodate the turn.

Interesting fact relating to the Westwey Rd/Asda junction: it is normally quicker to wait for the traffic lights on Westham Bridge and go straight on to Abbotsbury Rd, down Newstead Rd and into Asda, than it is to turn left from the bridge onto Westwey Rd , no lights, and then turn right at the Asda Junction and go into Asda.

I only saw one set of traffic lights in Cuba but alongside the three lights was a massive countdown timer in Red showing how long till the next green light. Great idea we ought to incorporate here while we are stuck with lights.
Seems to have gone off the point a bit, however, I am not sure why the suggested review should be limited to just this junction. This junction is a masterpiece of design: it is a standard cross crossroads with 4 opposite roads. For someone to come up with a design that causes confusion, danger and controversy from a simple spec is true genius. The review should be on the whole scheme: SCOOT was first proposed by DCC in the 90s and was rightly rejected every time it was resurrected as it was not the right or fitting solution to Weymouth's situation. It was finally quietly incorporated by DCC as part of a public transport improvement package using the justification that Bus times could not be guaranteed unless the junctions were controllable. I do not recollect seeing SCOOT mentioned in any public proposal or discussion, but it was there in one DCC document as it stated that for the buses to have controlled access would require a chargeable update to the SCOOT system. Then along came the Olympics and again DCC proposed the required Olympic route could only be guaranteed with the controlled traffic lights, which brought olympic funding along to the party. Due to the recession, there is much less traffic on the Weymouth roads now than there was when we had roundabouts, however the new system is so bad that the traffic levels look the same. Whilst you are sat at the lights look around at the lack of real traffic. Back before the roadworks and WTF (fiasco fits better than package) we would have been waiting at junctions for one or two cars if that. If you are now stuck in a real queue, odds are that it is caused by something that has changed due to the road improvements, over an hour journey times for portland to weymouth buses this morning according to some passengers. Our old system had problems during the two rush hours and when events were on, and had one major bottleneck at Queens St/Kings St. The new system has interrupted flow all day long; there are many more bottlenecks; unrelated pedestrian crossings within junctions cause dangerous situations; Bus stops have been moved into traffic lines and roads have been narrowed to impede flow; vehicle journey distances as well as times have been increased many fold both in and out of town. A couple of people have mentioned the U turns at the Boot Hill junction, how else is one supposed to get from Wyke Rd or Chickerell Rd to the Chapelhay/ Rodwell Area. The planners were aware of the requirement which is why the island and width are there to accommodate the turn. Interesting fact relating to the Westwey Rd/Asda junction: it is normally quicker to wait for the traffic lights on Westham Bridge and go straight on to Abbotsbury Rd, down Newstead Rd and into Asda, than it is to turn left from the bridge onto Westwey Rd , no lights, and then turn right at the Asda Junction and go into Asda. I only saw one set of traffic lights in Cuba but alongside the three lights was a massive countdown timer in Red showing how long till the next green light. Great idea we ought to incorporate here while we are stuck with lights. Yellowcave
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10:04pm Thu 21 Jun 12

FrancisKing says...

"The review should be on the whole scheme: SCOOT was first proposed by DCC in the 90s and was rightly rejected every time it was resurrected as it was not the right or fitting solution to Weymouth's situation."

SCOOT offers co-ordination of traffic signals, with varying traffic flows. Tourist hot-spot with varying traffic flows. Tick!
Multiple traffic signals. Tick!

It looks just right for Weymouth.
"The review should be on the whole scheme: SCOOT was first proposed by DCC in the 90s and was rightly rejected every time it was resurrected as it was not the right or fitting solution to Weymouth's situation." SCOOT offers co-ordination of traffic signals, with varying traffic flows. Tourist hot-spot with varying traffic flows. Tick! Multiple traffic signals. Tick! It looks just right for Weymouth. FrancisKing
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10:12pm Thu 21 Jun 12

Yellowcave says...

Typical planner taking the marketing specs ahead of practical experience.
I do hope that the junctions you design are better than what we get down here.
Typical planner taking the marketing specs ahead of practical experience. I do hope that the junctions you design are better than what we get down here. Yellowcave
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10:36pm Thu 21 Jun 12

Weston7 says...

Yellowcave: That is the best appraisal yet. It mirrors what I have been saying since 2009.
DCC have wanted to impose traffic signals on Weymouth for years (even at Foords Corner).
For most of each day the new junctions are simply not as efficient as the roundabouts. The rest of the world is moving away from signal in favour of roundabouts.
Yellowcave: That is the best appraisal yet. It mirrors what I have been saying since 2009. DCC have wanted to impose traffic signals on Weymouth for years (even at Foords Corner). For most of each day the new junctions are simply not as efficient as the roundabouts. The rest of the world is moving away from signal in favour of roundabouts. Weston7
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1:28am Fri 22 Jun 12

bootedsw says...

I travel from the fire station to asda and vice versa. The only problem I find is when motorists can't be bothered to wait for me to pass and force me to brake so they can head up boot hill.
To link the death of that poor lad on newstead road with the concerns over the junction is disgusting and this councillor should be ashamed of the remark!
I travel from the fire station to asda and vice versa. The only problem I find is when motorists can't be bothered to wait for me to pass and force me to brake so they can head up boot hill. To link the death of that poor lad on newstead road with the concerns over the junction is disgusting and this councillor should be ashamed of the remark! bootedsw
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8:30am Fri 22 Jun 12

ohcetesrod says...

100!
100! ohcetesrod
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12:27pm Fri 22 Jun 12

Sunshine2012 says...

"ade123 wrote: I have just registered as I have just read all the comments some of which are very childish and insulting.This junction in my opinion IS AN ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN you get a GREEN light but you dont have right of way RIDICULOUS Im sure this is against the highway code.I am A retired Weymouth Taxi driver and HGV driver and have been driving for over47 years The junction NEEDS to be sorted out."-------A green light means go ahead with caution and if clear, only if its a green arrow pointing the way you are going does it mean you have complete right of way! This junction is fine, just drivers don't understand it!
"ade123 wrote: I have just registered as I have just read all the comments some of which are very childish and insulting.This junction in my opinion IS AN ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN you get a GREEN light but you dont have right of way RIDICULOUS Im sure this is against the highway code.I am A retired Weymouth Taxi driver and HGV driver and have been driving for over47 years The junction NEEDS to be sorted out."-------A green light means go ahead with caution and if clear, only if its a green arrow pointing the way you are going does it mean you have complete right of way! This junction is fine, just drivers don't understand it! Sunshine2012
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2:12pm Fri 22 Jun 12

Weston7 says...

This junction is fine as long as nobody uses it. That's why the signs at Foords corner were changed to direct ALL northbound traffic via Lanehouse and Chickerell.
This junction is fine as long as nobody uses it. That's why the signs at Foords corner were changed to direct ALL northbound traffic via Lanehouse and Chickerell. Weston7
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2:23pm Sat 23 Jun 12

Marcusontherock says...

The ASDA/ Harbour junction is the only one I believe needs to be changed desperately, King st will NEVER flow smoothly, Weymouth was built long before the car so the volume of traffic will always be too much. But The Harbour junction is confusing, intimidating and incredibly dangerous, especially for the inexperienced driver.

I've been driving solo for a month and luckily have a fair bit of experience on that junction so I know where to go and how important it is to indicate especially at these junctions, but not all people remember to indicate and sometimes they can't decide which lane is the correct one for them. Say what you like about how these people who can't use it shouldn't drive but the fact of the matter is - They do drive and no matter how confident and safe a driver YOU are, you have to share the roads with these people and the outcome may not be preventable as far as you are concerned.

A simpler solution needs to be found, like taking out those pointless islands with the extra traffic lights and putting a small roundabout in the middle of the junction or converting it back to a roundabout full stop.

As for the merge lanes, I agree they could do with being a bit longer in some places, and people need to be a little more considerate and patient when using them. The only truly positive thing about the traffic lights that I see is the sliproads to turn left.
The ASDA/ Harbour junction is the only one I believe needs to be changed desperately, King st will NEVER flow smoothly, Weymouth was built long before the car so the volume of traffic will always be too much. But The Harbour junction is confusing, intimidating and incredibly dangerous, especially for the inexperienced driver. I've been driving solo for a month and luckily have a fair bit of experience on that junction so I know where to go and how important it is to indicate especially at these junctions, but not all people remember to indicate and sometimes they can't decide which lane is the correct one for them. Say what you like about how these people who can't use it shouldn't drive but the fact of the matter is - They do drive and no matter how confident and safe a driver YOU are, you have to share the roads with these people and the outcome may not be preventable as far as you are concerned. A simpler solution needs to be found, like taking out those pointless islands with the extra traffic lights and putting a small roundabout in the middle of the junction or converting it back to a roundabout full stop. As for the merge lanes, I agree they could do with being a bit longer in some places, and people need to be a little more considerate and patient when using them. The only truly positive thing about the traffic lights that I see is the sliproads to turn left. Marcusontherock
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2:30pm Sat 23 Jun 12

annotator1 says...

The roundabout worked well for as long as it was there. I cannot recall any accidents.
Progress I presume, and for what?
The roundabout worked well for as long as it was there. I cannot recall any accidents. Progress I presume, and for what? annotator1
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2:53pm Sat 23 Jun 12

ohcetesrod says...

annotator1 wrote:
The roundabout worked well for as long as it was there. I cannot recall any accidents.
Progress I presume, and for what?
I do recall a death (if it wasn't a death it was very close) a few years back at was the roundabout end of Abbotsbury Rd as it joins the bridge
[quote][p][bold]annotator1[/bold] wrote: The roundabout worked well for as long as it was there. I cannot recall any accidents. Progress I presume, and for what?[/p][/quote]I do recall a death (if it wasn't a death it was very close) a few years back at was the roundabout end of Abbotsbury Rd as it joins the bridge ohcetesrod
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9:43am Tue 26 Jun 12

Dorsettraveller says...

I use this junction every day during the two rush hours and sometimes at lunchtime. It is a difficult junction to understand and Im sure could be simplified. When you read most of these comments the problem appears to be traffic that has righ of way based on green lights, cant proceed because the road is blocked - perhaps the junction neds some yellow no entry boxes to stop drivers taking up space that they shouldnt enter just because they have a green light. i used to work in London and this technique is used frequently at 'difficult' junctions and is does seem to work. Come on Dorset County Council, listen to local people and make this junction work. Thos eo f you who keep pointing the finger at Weymouth and Portland Borough Council ; get your facts right. This junction and most of the local road netwrok is managed by DCC .
I use this junction every day during the two rush hours and sometimes at lunchtime. It is a difficult junction to understand and Im sure could be simplified. When you read most of these comments the problem appears to be traffic that has righ of way based on green lights, cant proceed because the road is blocked - perhaps the junction neds some yellow no entry boxes to stop drivers taking up space that they shouldnt enter just because they have a green light. i used to work in London and this technique is used frequently at 'difficult' junctions and is does seem to work. Come on Dorset County Council, listen to local people and make this junction work. Thos eo f you who keep pointing the finger at Weymouth and Portland Borough Council ; get your facts right. This junction and most of the local road netwrok is managed by DCC . Dorsettraveller
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