Hospital smoking ban being flouted

Dorset Echo: STUB IT OUT: Elaine Cheeseman at Dorset County Hospital STUB IT OUT: Elaine Cheeseman at Dorset County Hospital

HOSPITAL patients and visitors are having to walk through discarded cigarette butts as people flout a smoking ban, it is claimed.

Elaine Cheeseman, from Weymouth, noticed the litter when visiting a friend at Dorset County Hospital in Dorchester .

She said: “It is just awful.

“It’s not just in that area, it’s all around the entrances and at the bus stop.

“Patients and visitors come to the hospital often feeling quite anxious and do not expect to have to deal with that.

“It smells and it looks disgusting.”

Smoking has been banned on the hospital grounds since 2006 in line with national policy.

But Mrs Cheeseman, 58, said she has seen people flouting the ban.

She said: “I’m an ex-smoker myself, and I know for a lot of people it’s an everyday part of their life. Stopping is not just switching out a light, and I’m aware that if patients are facing illnesses, they may want to smoke. You can’t deprive them of that.”

She added: “I was disgusted by the mess outside a hospital that clearly states in large writing that it is a smoke free zone.

“If smoking cannot be controlled, then would it not be preferable to return the cigarette and litter bins, or to provide a designated area, rather than having to walk through the disgusting mess that currently litters the walkways outside the hospital?”

“You are never going to stop people smoking, but if they are going to have a ban, they at least need to uphold it.”

A spokesman for Dorset County Hospital said cigarette butts are cleared on a regular basis as part of the hospital’s grounds clearance and maintenance programme.

She said: “Smoking is not allowed anywhere on the hospital site and we have renewed our efforts recently to spread the smoke-free message.

“We have every prominent signs throughout the site telling people they should not smoke anywhere in the hospital grounds.

“Staff are encouraged to approach anyone they find smoking and executive directors have been emphasising the message as part of their regular patient safety walkabouts.”

She added: “We are also doing a lot of work to support patients coming into hospital who smoke, by helping them give up beforehand or providing nicotine replacement therapy while they are in hospital.

“We have no plans to re-install the smoking shelters on the site.

“As a healthcare provider we cannot condone smoking in any way and will continue our efforts to encourage people to quit.”

For more information and help on stopping smoking, visit dorsetsmokestop.co.uk

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11:15am Sat 15 Sep 12

tittypoos says...

it's been like this for a long time! I have seen patients stood outside smoking whilst still in their Hospital gowns attached to drips! It happens all day.. surely someone can enforce the rules?
it's been like this for a long time! I have seen patients stood outside smoking whilst still in their Hospital gowns attached to drips! It happens all day.. surely someone can enforce the rules? tittypoos

12:03pm Sat 15 Sep 12

weymouthresident says...

I totally agree. If people want to kill themselves with their cigarettes they shouldn't be allowed to benefit from the services available at the hospital. There's little enough NHS money available without those who obviously don't care about their health (or of those who have to inhale their fumes when walking past them) taking the **** by smoking when obviously under treatment. I've even seen expectant mothers sneak out of maternity wards to have their 'fix' thus endangering the lives of their unborn children as well.

Worse still, on several occasions, I've witnessed members of staff (sometimes nurses) smoking whilst sat next to the no smoking signs. No doubt they return to their patients stinking of cigarettes.

Come on DCH to something about it!
I totally agree. If people want to kill themselves with their cigarettes they shouldn't be allowed to benefit from the services available at the hospital. There's little enough NHS money available without those who obviously don't care about their health (or of those who have to inhale their fumes when walking past them) taking the **** by smoking when obviously under treatment. I've even seen expectant mothers sneak out of maternity wards to have their 'fix' thus endangering the lives of their unborn children as well. Worse still, on several occasions, I've witnessed members of staff (sometimes nurses) smoking whilst sat next to the no smoking signs. No doubt they return to their patients stinking of cigarettes. Come on DCH to something about it! weymouthresident

12:37pm Sat 15 Sep 12

shy talk says...

You could argue that the smoker contributes by paying tax and duty to the government which a small percentage should go to the NHS. For example fifty grams of tobacco cost in the U.K. £16.50 of which £10.50 is tax and duty. The biggest burden on the NHS is the obesity problem this country has. So do we refuse people help and care who are obese and choose to continue to eat themselves to a early grave?
You could argue that the smoker contributes by paying tax and duty to the government which a small percentage should go to the NHS. For example fifty grams of tobacco cost in the U.K. £16.50 of which £10.50 is tax and duty. The biggest burden on the NHS is the obesity problem this country has. So do we refuse people help and care who are obese and choose to continue to eat themselves to a early grave? shy talk

12:40pm Sat 15 Sep 12

chas says...

Dorset County Hospital is an NHS Trust hospital which means that it is public property. Smoking is NOT illegal in open public areas so the hospital cannot ban smoking in its grounds.
If the hospital was to reinstall the smoking shelter with litter bins, smokers would be able to put their cigarette ends in the bins.
Dorset County Hospital is an NHS Trust hospital which means that it is public property. Smoking is NOT illegal in open public areas so the hospital cannot ban smoking in its grounds. If the hospital was to reinstall the smoking shelter with litter bins, smokers would be able to put their cigarette ends in the bins. chas

3:19pm Sat 15 Sep 12

Peter Gunn says...

Stupid people with a senseless addiction!
Stupid people with a senseless addiction! Peter Gunn

4:05pm Sat 15 Sep 12

val@ chickerell says...

I totally agree with Elaine Cheeseman,
recently while waiting for a bus a friend and i went to reception about this problem as we could not stand the smell at the bus stop. We were put through to the site manager who said "why should we clear this up". I do not agree with the smoking but in times of stress we all need a prop of some sort, there should be an area set aside as well as encouraging people to give it up.
I totally agree with Elaine Cheeseman, recently while waiting for a bus a friend and i went to reception about this problem as we could not stand the smell at the bus stop. We were put through to the site manager who said "why should we clear this up". I do not agree with the smoking but in times of stress we all need a prop of some sort, there should be an area set aside as well as encouraging people to give it up. val@ chickerell

7:07pm Sat 15 Sep 12

clansman59 says...

peter gunn I don't smoke but people who do are not stupid with a senseless addiction it is a well known fact that nicotine is a powerful drug and it is very hard for people to quit. As for the people smoking out side the hospital yes it is not very pleasant for those who do not smoke & it is a mess. Since the trust took away the places for people who need to smoke people will smoke where ever they can find a place to do so. I agree the trust is right to promote an anti smoking policy but until the government put more money into helping people to smoke they will continue to do so. Like it has been pointed out the government make a lot of money out of taxation on tobacco. As for staff smoking yes they do as they to are only human and subject to the addiction of nicotine like everyone else!
peter gunn I don't smoke but people who do are not stupid with a senseless addiction it is a well known fact that nicotine is a powerful drug and it is very hard for people to quit. As for the people smoking out side the hospital yes it is not very pleasant for those who do not smoke & it is a mess. Since the trust took away the places for people who need to smoke people will smoke where ever they can find a place to do so. I agree the trust is right to promote an anti smoking policy but until the government put more money into helping people to smoke they will continue to do so. Like it has been pointed out the government make a lot of money out of taxation on tobacco. As for staff smoking yes they do as they to are only human and subject to the addiction of nicotine like everyone else! clansman59

7:53pm Sat 15 Sep 12

Crabber says...

What a pair of Clowns Weymouth Resident and Shay Talk are. FFS EWy Rs it is not a Police State yet and as for your comments Shi*t Hawk have you ever considered that obesity could be caused by an underlying medical problem?.A friend of mines wife weighed in at 29 stone and when she fell pregnant she had an ultrasound Scan and they found a growth which when removed weighed in at nearly 14 stone,so it was not caused by 'Eating Herself to Death'. I recently had a major operation and have been inactive for just over 2 years I have put on nearly 4 stone as I am confined to the house most of the time and I do excersize's. I now fall into the obese catagory, but I eat a special diet , so your theory blown out of the water Idiots the Pair of you
What a pair of Clowns Weymouth Resident and Shay Talk are. FFS EWy Rs it is not a Police State yet and as for your comments Shi*t Hawk have you ever considered that obesity could be caused by an underlying medical problem?.A friend of mines wife weighed in at 29 stone and when she fell pregnant she had an ultrasound Scan and they found a growth which when removed weighed in at nearly 14 stone,so it was not caused by 'Eating Herself to Death'. I recently had a major operation and have been inactive for just over 2 years I have put on nearly 4 stone as I am confined to the house most of the time and I do excersize's. I now fall into the obese catagory, but I eat a special diet , so your theory blown out of the water Idiots the Pair of you Crabber

9:46pm Sat 15 Sep 12

gerbil112 says...

Quote: "HOSPITAL patients and visitors are having to walk through discarded cigarette butts as people flout a smoking ban, it is claimed". The very fact that the rubbish is where it is suggests hat it was left there BY patients and visitors to the hospital! The hospital has "banned" smoking on its premises and, to enforce the fact that (in theory) no smoking takes place there, they removes the cigarette butt bins. However, smokers are too stupid to the bins anyway, judging by the state of the place when the bins were there. It's not rocket science... Extinguish cigarette, place butt in bin NOT on ground!
Quote: "HOSPITAL patients and visitors are having to walk through discarded cigarette butts as people flout a smoking ban, it is claimed". The very fact that the rubbish is where it is suggests hat it was left there BY patients and visitors to the hospital! The hospital has "banned" smoking on its premises and, to enforce the fact that (in theory) no smoking takes place there, they removes the cigarette butt bins. However, smokers are too stupid to the bins anyway, judging by the state of the place when the bins were there. It's not rocket science... Extinguish cigarette, place butt in bin NOT on ground! gerbil112

9:49pm Sat 15 Sep 12

gerbil112 says...

chas wrote:
Dorset County Hospital is an NHS Trust hospital which means that it is public property. Smoking is NOT illegal in open public areas so the hospital cannot ban smoking in its grounds.
If the hospital was to reinstall the smoking shelter with litter bins, smokers would be able to put their cigarette ends in the bins.
Chas, see my post above. Smokers DO NOT use bins where provided. They either stub them out on top and leave them there, or tread under foot and leave them on the ground! Also, as it's a "public place" in your words, fine them for dropping litter. The same Law should apply as littering the streets.
[quote][p][bold]chas[/bold] wrote: Dorset County Hospital is an NHS Trust hospital which means that it is public property. Smoking is NOT illegal in open public areas so the hospital cannot ban smoking in its grounds. If the hospital was to reinstall the smoking shelter with litter bins, smokers would be able to put their cigarette ends in the bins.[/p][/quote]Chas, see my post above. Smokers DO NOT use bins where provided. They either stub them out on top and leave them there, or tread under foot and leave them on the ground! Also, as it's a "public place" in your words, fine them for dropping litter. The same Law should apply as littering the streets. gerbil112

10:14pm Sat 15 Sep 12

chas says...

gerbil112. There are bins with ash trays on top. If these were installed there would be far fewer cigarette ends on the ground.
People can be fined for dropping litter in hospital grounds by enviromental health officers.
gerbil112. There are bins with ash trays on top. If these were installed there would be far fewer cigarette ends on the ground. People can be fined for dropping litter in hospital grounds by enviromental health officers. chas

8:52am Sun 16 Sep 12

ksmain says...

chas wrote:
Dorset County Hospital is an NHS Trust hospital which means that it is public property. Smoking is NOT illegal in open public areas so the hospital cannot ban smoking in its grounds.
If the hospital was to reinstall the smoking shelter with litter bins, smokers would be able to put their cigarette ends in the bins.
I'll think you'll find that they can in just the same way as a pub or a train. Pubs are public places and smokers are banned, smokers go off their premises to smoke. The only difference is that hospitals have grounds, which are still their premises. And I agree with a site ban - after all how can an organisation whose primary goal is to improve peoples health tolerate something that does not on it's grounds? A conflict of interest surely?
[quote][p][bold]chas[/bold] wrote: Dorset County Hospital is an NHS Trust hospital which means that it is public property. Smoking is NOT illegal in open public areas so the hospital cannot ban smoking in its grounds. If the hospital was to reinstall the smoking shelter with litter bins, smokers would be able to put their cigarette ends in the bins.[/p][/quote]I'll think you'll find that they can in just the same way as a pub or a train. Pubs are public places and smokers are banned, smokers go off their premises to smoke. The only difference is that hospitals have grounds, which are still their premises. And I agree with a site ban - after all how can an organisation whose primary goal is to improve peoples health tolerate something that does not on it's grounds? A conflict of interest surely? ksmain

9:17am Sun 16 Sep 12

chas says...

ksmain wrote:
chas wrote: Dorset County Hospital is an NHS Trust hospital which means that it is public property. Smoking is NOT illegal in open public areas so the hospital cannot ban smoking in its grounds. If the hospital was to reinstall the smoking shelter with litter bins, smokers would be able to put their cigarette ends in the bins.
I'll think you'll find that they can in just the same way as a pub or a train. Pubs are public places and smokers are banned, smokers go off their premises to smoke. The only difference is that hospitals have grounds, which are still their premises. And I agree with a site ban - after all how can an organisation whose primary goal is to improve peoples health tolerate something that does not on it's grounds? A conflict of interest surely?
Did you know that one can smoke in a pub garden which is also part of the pub's property. We are talking about smoking in OPEN public areas.
[quote][p][bold]ksmain[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chas[/bold] wrote: Dorset County Hospital is an NHS Trust hospital which means that it is public property. Smoking is NOT illegal in open public areas so the hospital cannot ban smoking in its grounds. If the hospital was to reinstall the smoking shelter with litter bins, smokers would be able to put their cigarette ends in the bins.[/p][/quote]I'll think you'll find that they can in just the same way as a pub or a train. Pubs are public places and smokers are banned, smokers go off their premises to smoke. The only difference is that hospitals have grounds, which are still their premises. And I agree with a site ban - after all how can an organisation whose primary goal is to improve peoples health tolerate something that does not on it's grounds? A conflict of interest surely?[/p][/quote]Did you know that one can smoke in a pub garden which is also part of the pub's property. We are talking about smoking in OPEN public areas. chas

10:37am Sun 16 Sep 12

ksmain says...

chas wrote:
ksmain wrote:
chas wrote: Dorset County Hospital is an NHS Trust hospital which means that it is public property. Smoking is NOT illegal in open public areas so the hospital cannot ban smoking in its grounds. If the hospital was to reinstall the smoking shelter with litter bins, smokers would be able to put their cigarette ends in the bins.
I'll think you'll find that they can in just the same way as a pub or a train. Pubs are public places and smokers are banned, smokers go off their premises to smoke. The only difference is that hospitals have grounds, which are still their premises. And I agree with a site ban - after all how can an organisation whose primary goal is to improve peoples health tolerate something that does not on it's grounds? A conflict of interest surely?
Did you know that one can smoke in a pub garden which is also part of the pub's property. We are talking about smoking in OPEN public areas.
Yes I am aware.

But there are also signs up - and it still is hospital premises public accessed or not. And you must be aware of the rule to argue it here.

And it is also about respecting other peoples rules as well - otherwise why have rules? And how far is it to walk off the premises to a public highway?
[quote][p][bold]chas[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ksmain[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chas[/bold] wrote: Dorset County Hospital is an NHS Trust hospital which means that it is public property. Smoking is NOT illegal in open public areas so the hospital cannot ban smoking in its grounds. If the hospital was to reinstall the smoking shelter with litter bins, smokers would be able to put their cigarette ends in the bins.[/p][/quote]I'll think you'll find that they can in just the same way as a pub or a train. Pubs are public places and smokers are banned, smokers go off their premises to smoke. The only difference is that hospitals have grounds, which are still their premises. And I agree with a site ban - after all how can an organisation whose primary goal is to improve peoples health tolerate something that does not on it's grounds? A conflict of interest surely?[/p][/quote]Did you know that one can smoke in a pub garden which is also part of the pub's property. We are talking about smoking in OPEN public areas.[/p][/quote]Yes I am aware. But there are also signs up - and it still is hospital premises public accessed or not. And you must be aware of the rule to argue it here. And it is also about respecting other peoples rules as well - otherwise why have rules? And how far is it to walk off the premises to a public highway? ksmain

10:57am Sun 16 Sep 12

chas says...

ksmain wrote:
chas wrote:
ksmain wrote:
chas wrote: Dorset County Hospital is an NHS Trust hospital which means that it is public property. Smoking is NOT illegal in open public areas so the hospital cannot ban smoking in its grounds. If the hospital was to reinstall the smoking shelter with litter bins, smokers would be able to put their cigarette ends in the bins.
I'll think you'll find that they can in just the same way as a pub or a train. Pubs are public places and smokers are banned, smokers go off their premises to smoke. The only difference is that hospitals have grounds, which are still their premises. And I agree with a site ban - after all how can an organisation whose primary goal is to improve peoples health tolerate something that does not on it's grounds? A conflict of interest surely?
Did you know that one can smoke in a pub garden which is also part of the pub's property. We are talking about smoking in OPEN public areas.
Yes I am aware. But there are also signs up - and it still is hospital premises public accessed or not. And you must be aware of the rule to argue it here. And it is also about respecting other peoples rules as well - otherwise why have rules? And how far is it to walk off the premises to a public highway?
It is only a policy and NOT a law. It is NOT illegal to smoke in OPEN public areas.
Do you understand the difference between POLICY and LAW?
[quote][p][bold]ksmain[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chas[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ksmain[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chas[/bold] wrote: Dorset County Hospital is an NHS Trust hospital which means that it is public property. Smoking is NOT illegal in open public areas so the hospital cannot ban smoking in its grounds. If the hospital was to reinstall the smoking shelter with litter bins, smokers would be able to put their cigarette ends in the bins.[/p][/quote]I'll think you'll find that they can in just the same way as a pub or a train. Pubs are public places and smokers are banned, smokers go off their premises to smoke. The only difference is that hospitals have grounds, which are still their premises. And I agree with a site ban - after all how can an organisation whose primary goal is to improve peoples health tolerate something that does not on it's grounds? A conflict of interest surely?[/p][/quote]Did you know that one can smoke in a pub garden which is also part of the pub's property. We are talking about smoking in OPEN public areas.[/p][/quote]Yes I am aware. But there are also signs up - and it still is hospital premises public accessed or not. And you must be aware of the rule to argue it here. And it is also about respecting other peoples rules as well - otherwise why have rules? And how far is it to walk off the premises to a public highway?[/p][/quote]It is only a policy and NOT a law. It is NOT illegal to smoke in OPEN public areas. Do you understand the difference between POLICY and LAW? chas

11:40am Sun 16 Sep 12

ksmain says...

Does it matter? Its a RULE given by the hospital. You should RESPECT it. Hospital staff are not allowed to smoke in the grounds so why should any one else be.

And how do you know why the rule exists. Could it be the hospital are not insured for people smoking on site in common with lots of insurance policies? I dont agree with a number of rules, but they are there and I respect them.
Does it matter? Its a RULE given by the hospital. You should RESPECT it. Hospital staff are not allowed to smoke in the grounds so why should any one else be. And how do you know why the rule exists. Could it be the hospital are not insured for people smoking on site in common with lots of insurance policies? I dont agree with a number of rules, but they are there and I respect them. ksmain

12:26pm Sun 16 Sep 12

chas says...

Hospitals can make a rule or policy on smoking in its grounds, but they cannot enforce it.
Hospitals can make a rule or policy on smoking in its grounds, but they cannot enforce it. chas

12:56pm Sun 16 Sep 12

ksmain says...

So Chas, what point are you making here? That people should carry on and flout a rule - after all they won't get penalised here? The hospital have made a rule here and, open space or not, and legally binding or not, it is still their premises and surely it's about respect? A 2 minute walk to a main road will give all the open space required. And it appears the issue here is less than a no smoking rule, more than people cant be bothered to pick up after themselves and feel that others should put have to put up with their mess. Why does it have to be left to others to do it?
So Chas, what point are you making here? That people should carry on and flout a rule - after all they won't get penalised here? The hospital have made a rule here and, open space or not, and legally binding or not, it is still their premises and surely it's about respect? A 2 minute walk to a main road will give all the open space required. And it appears the issue here is less than a no smoking rule, more than people cant be bothered to pick up after themselves and feel that others should put have to put up with their mess. Why does it have to be left to others to do it? ksmain

1:31pm Sun 16 Sep 12

JamesYoung says...

shy talk wrote:
You could argue that the smoker contributes by paying tax and duty to the government which a small percentage should go to the NHS. For example fifty grams of tobacco cost in the U.K. £16.50 of which £10.50 is tax and duty. The biggest burden on the NHS is the obesity problem this country has. So do we refuse people help and care who are obese and choose to continue to eat themselves to a early grave?
A common argument, but I'm not sure it's correct. The number of days lost due to smoking is 34 million per year. You'd have to factor in the lost tax on that (or at least the cost to business) for starters. And then there is the impact on others - 17000 children admitted to hospital every year due to their parents smoking habits. Source: www.patient.co.uk.
[quote][p][bold]shy talk[/bold] wrote: You could argue that the smoker contributes by paying tax and duty to the government which a small percentage should go to the NHS. For example fifty grams of tobacco cost in the U.K. £16.50 of which £10.50 is tax and duty. The biggest burden on the NHS is the obesity problem this country has. So do we refuse people help and care who are obese and choose to continue to eat themselves to a early grave?[/p][/quote]A common argument, but I'm not sure it's correct. The number of days lost due to smoking is 34 million per year. You'd have to factor in the lost tax on that (or at least the cost to business) for starters. And then there is the impact on others - 17000 children admitted to hospital every year due to their parents smoking habits. Source: www.patient.co.uk. JamesYoung

1:32pm Sun 16 Sep 12

JamesYoung says...

JamesYoung wrote:
shy talk wrote:
You could argue that the smoker contributes by paying tax and duty to the government which a small percentage should go to the NHS. For example fifty grams of tobacco cost in the U.K. £16.50 of which £10.50 is tax and duty. The biggest burden on the NHS is the obesity problem this country has. So do we refuse people help and care who are obese and choose to continue to eat themselves to a early grave?
A common argument, but I'm not sure it's correct. The number of days lost due to smoking is 34 million per year. You'd have to factor in the lost tax on that (or at least the cost to business) for starters. And then there is the impact on others - 17000 children admitted to hospital every year due to their parents smoking habits. Source: www.patient.co.uk.
Oh, and we should treat obese people. After long and considered research I changed my view on that. Nothing to do with a growing belly...
[quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shy talk[/bold] wrote: You could argue that the smoker contributes by paying tax and duty to the government which a small percentage should go to the NHS. For example fifty grams of tobacco cost in the U.K. £16.50 of which £10.50 is tax and duty. The biggest burden on the NHS is the obesity problem this country has. So do we refuse people help and care who are obese and choose to continue to eat themselves to a early grave?[/p][/quote]A common argument, but I'm not sure it's correct. The number of days lost due to smoking is 34 million per year. You'd have to factor in the lost tax on that (or at least the cost to business) for starters. And then there is the impact on others - 17000 children admitted to hospital every year due to their parents smoking habits. Source: www.patient.co.uk.[/p][/quote]Oh, and we should treat obese people. After long and considered research I changed my view on that. Nothing to do with a growing belly... JamesYoung

1:40pm Sun 16 Sep 12

ksmain says...

Going back to this article I think there is another point to be made here too.

Say the hospital put in a bin so that people who dont want to adhere to the non-smoking policy, so people can put their rubbish in it. There will be a cost to the hospital of the bin, of emptying it, of disposing of the rubbish, of someone paying the external companies to provide the refuse collection services. Given that hospitals have finite budgets, would these people be happy for less patients to be treated more quickly?
Going back to this article I think there is another point to be made here too. Say the hospital put in a bin so that people who dont want to adhere to the non-smoking policy, so people can put their rubbish in it. There will be a cost to the hospital of the bin, of emptying it, of disposing of the rubbish, of someone paying the external companies to provide the refuse collection services. Given that hospitals have finite budgets, would these people be happy for less patients to be treated more quickly? ksmain

4:35pm Sun 16 Sep 12

markerpen says...

Did Elaine complain to the hospital in an appropriate manner..or go direct to the Echo?....Only an idiot would do that..

I think that smoking areas at the hospital need to be enforced as smoking is considered antisocial..even by many smokers..but this in this real life people still smoke.

I can also see there are a few people that have made comments who would like to start a voluntary group to police this, I think they need to be given guns or knives to ensure that people obey them.

As to self inflicted injury and whether the NHS should pay for it I imagine that most hopsital admissions are lifestyle related.
Did Elaine complain to the hospital in an appropriate manner..or go direct to the Echo?....Only an idiot would do that.. I think that smoking areas at the hospital need to be enforced as smoking is considered antisocial..even by many smokers..but this in this real life people still smoke. I can also see there are a few people that have made comments who would like to start a voluntary group to police this, I think they need to be given guns or knives to ensure that people obey them. As to self inflicted injury and whether the NHS should pay for it I imagine that most hopsital admissions are lifestyle related. markerpen

5:11pm Sun 16 Sep 12

Esio Trot says...

If the smokers are such a burden that the NHS should refuse to treat them, that 'logic' should be applied to anyone seeking treatment for their own lifestyle choices - alcohol related health matters, drug related issues, obesity (if not caused by an underlying condition), sports injuries, pregnancy and childbirth, the list is endless.

For what it's worth, I am a smoker and have never had treatment or had a day off work for anything smoking related. I have less 'sick days' than most working people, in fact. I certainly cost my employer and the NHS a lot less than your average parent, junkie, alcoholic etc.
If the smokers are such a burden that the NHS should refuse to treat them, that 'logic' should be applied to anyone seeking treatment for their own lifestyle choices - alcohol related health matters, drug related issues, obesity (if not caused by an underlying condition), sports injuries, pregnancy and childbirth, the list is endless. For what it's worth, I am a smoker and have never had treatment or had a day off work for anything smoking related. I have less 'sick days' than most working people, in fact. I certainly cost my employer and the NHS a lot less than your average parent, junkie, alcoholic etc. Esio Trot

5:11pm Sun 16 Sep 12

Esio Trot says...

If the smokers are such a burden that the NHS should refuse to treat them, that 'logic' should be applied to anyone seeking treatment for their own lifestyle choices - alcohol related health matters, drug related issues, obesity (if not caused by an underlying condition), sports injuries, pregnancy and childbirth, the list is endless.

For what it's worth, I am a smoker and have never had treatment or had a day off work for anything smoking related. I have less 'sick days' than most working people, in fact. I certainly cost my employer and the NHS a lot less than your average parent, junkie, alcoholic etc.
If the smokers are such a burden that the NHS should refuse to treat them, that 'logic' should be applied to anyone seeking treatment for their own lifestyle choices - alcohol related health matters, drug related issues, obesity (if not caused by an underlying condition), sports injuries, pregnancy and childbirth, the list is endless. For what it's worth, I am a smoker and have never had treatment or had a day off work for anything smoking related. I have less 'sick days' than most working people, in fact. I certainly cost my employer and the NHS a lot less than your average parent, junkie, alcoholic etc. Esio Trot

5:39pm Sun 16 Sep 12

JamesYoung says...

And how old are you, Esio?
And how old are you, Esio? JamesYoung

8:02pm Sun 16 Sep 12

chas says...

ksmain wrote:
Going back to this article I think there is another point to be made here too. Say the hospital put in a bin so that people who dont want to adhere to the non-smoking policy, so people can put their rubbish in it. There will be a cost to the hospital of the bin, of emptying it, of disposing of the rubbish, of someone paying the external companies to provide the refuse collection services. Given that hospitals have finite budgets, would these people be happy for less patients to be treated more quickly?
Who pays for the collection of all the other rubbish incuding the wrappings of fast foods sold by the hospital?
[quote][p][bold]ksmain[/bold] wrote: Going back to this article I think there is another point to be made here too. Say the hospital put in a bin so that people who dont want to adhere to the non-smoking policy, so people can put their rubbish in it. There will be a cost to the hospital of the bin, of emptying it, of disposing of the rubbish, of someone paying the external companies to provide the refuse collection services. Given that hospitals have finite budgets, would these people be happy for less patients to be treated more quickly?[/p][/quote]Who pays for the collection of all the other rubbish incuding the wrappings of fast foods sold by the hospital? chas

10:36pm Sun 16 Sep 12

it's me says...

I recieved treatment in 2010 at Poole Cancer Centre for lung cancer and you would never believe that there were patients outside the centre with thier chemotherapy drips smoking. These people should have all treatment stopped as they obviously taking it for granted.
I recieved treatment in 2010 at Poole Cancer Centre for lung cancer and you would never believe that there were patients outside the centre with thier chemotherapy drips smoking. These people should have all treatment stopped as they obviously taking it for granted. it's me

7:25am Mon 17 Sep 12

Roger O.Thornhill says...

Crabber wrote:
What a pair of Clowns Weymouth Resident and Shay Talk are. FFS EWy Rs it is not a Police State yet and as for your comments Shi*t Hawk have you ever considered that obesity could be caused by an underlying medical problem?.A friend of mines wife weighed in at 29 stone and when she fell pregnant she had an ultrasound Scan and they found a growth which when removed weighed in at nearly 14 stone,so it was not caused by 'Eating Herself to Death'. I recently had a major operation and have been inactive for just over 2 years I have put on nearly 4 stone as I am confined to the house most of the time and I do excersize's. I now fall into the obese catagory, but I eat a special diet , so your theory blown out of the water Idiots the Pair of you
But it was ok for you to pour scorn on Ed Hintze and his weight the other day on this very comment site wasn't it ? You hypocrite.
[quote][p][bold]Crabber[/bold] wrote: What a pair of Clowns Weymouth Resident and Shay Talk are. FFS EWy Rs it is not a Police State yet and as for your comments Shi*t Hawk have you ever considered that obesity could be caused by an underlying medical problem?.A friend of mines wife weighed in at 29 stone and when she fell pregnant she had an ultrasound Scan and they found a growth which when removed weighed in at nearly 14 stone,so it was not caused by 'Eating Herself to Death'. I recently had a major operation and have been inactive for just over 2 years I have put on nearly 4 stone as I am confined to the house most of the time and I do excersize's. I now fall into the obese catagory, but I eat a special diet , so your theory blown out of the water Idiots the Pair of you[/p][/quote]But it was ok for you to pour scorn on Ed Hintze and his weight the other day on this very comment site wasn't it ? You hypocrite. Roger O.Thornhill

8:48am Mon 17 Sep 12

billylovesweymouth says...

If you look at the photograph with the article it is a prominent sign but it doesn't seem to explain that the whole site is smoke free. If I saw that sign I would think it referred to the hospital building. And look at the floor around it. Clean with no fag ends cluttering it up.
If you look at the photograph with the article it is a prominent sign but it doesn't seem to explain that the whole site is smoke free. If I saw that sign I would think it referred to the hospital building. And look at the floor around it. Clean with no fag ends cluttering it up. billylovesweymouth

10:24am Mon 17 Sep 12

cj07589 says...

Peter Gunn wrote:
Stupid people with a senseless addiction!
Completely agree, dirty disgusting habit. You also have love the irony of smoking outside a hospital too....lack of common sense perhaps?

If you need support to quit, I highly recommend Allen Carr's book it will save you a fortune and stop smelling like an ash tray too.
[quote][p][bold]Peter Gunn[/bold] wrote: Stupid people with a senseless addiction![/p][/quote]Completely agree, dirty disgusting habit. You also have love the irony of smoking outside a hospital too....lack of common sense perhaps? If you need support to quit, I highly recommend Allen Carr's book it will save you a fortune and stop smelling like an ash tray too. cj07589

3:52pm Mon 17 Sep 12

3rdAccount says...

shy talk wrote:
You could argue that the smoker contributes by paying tax and duty to the government which a small percentage should go to the NHS. For example fifty grams of tobacco cost in the U.K. £16.50 of which £10.50 is tax and duty. The biggest burden on the NHS is the obesity problem this country has. So do we refuse people help and care who are obese and choose to continue to eat themselves to a early grave?
YES!
[quote][p][bold]shy talk[/bold] wrote: You could argue that the smoker contributes by paying tax and duty to the government which a small percentage should go to the NHS. For example fifty grams of tobacco cost in the U.K. £16.50 of which £10.50 is tax and duty. The biggest burden on the NHS is the obesity problem this country has. So do we refuse people help and care who are obese and choose to continue to eat themselves to a early grave?[/p][/quote]YES! 3rdAccount

6:24pm Mon 17 Sep 12

cj07589 says...

Agree with that...refuse them the rubber bands and tell em to exercise and stop eating so much.....it isn't exactly rocket science is it. Wasting money on people with zero self control and will power is an obscene waste of vital limited NHS resources.
Agree with that...refuse them the rubber bands and tell em to exercise and stop eating so much.....it isn't exactly rocket science is it. Wasting money on people with zero self control and will power is an obscene waste of vital limited NHS resources. cj07589

7:08pm Mon 17 Sep 12

Desk24 says...

''Yer no allowed ta smoke yer fag here, ya might set sombodies widden leg on fire''.
''Yer no allowed ta smoke yer fag here, ya might set sombodies widden leg on fire''. Desk24

7:32pm Mon 17 Sep 12

maximan says...

Weird because every time I walk out towards the pencils there is some automated heckler falsely accusing me of smoking and threatening to inform security.
Weird because every time I walk out towards the pencils there is some automated heckler falsely accusing me of smoking and threatening to inform security. maximan

8:01pm Mon 17 Sep 12

ksmain says...

I think the other selfish thing these smokers dont think about, is that there are people working in offices along the ground floors in the hospital. It gets hot in those offices, so they need to open the windows - only to have the second hand smoke wafting in from those smoking just outside.
I think the other selfish thing these smokers dont think about, is that there are people working in offices along the ground floors in the hospital. It gets hot in those offices, so they need to open the windows - only to have the second hand smoke wafting in from those smoking just outside. ksmain

9:48pm Mon 17 Sep 12

chas says...

ksmain wrote:
I think the other selfish thing these smokers dont think about, is that there are people working in offices along the ground floors in the hospital. It gets hot in those offices, so they need to open the windows - only to have the second hand smoke wafting in from those smoking just outside.
Second hand smoke will cause far less harm than all the the fumes from the traffic coming and going into the car park.
[quote][p][bold]ksmain[/bold] wrote: I think the other selfish thing these smokers dont think about, is that there are people working in offices along the ground floors in the hospital. It gets hot in those offices, so they need to open the windows - only to have the second hand smoke wafting in from those smoking just outside.[/p][/quote]Second hand smoke will cause far less harm than all the the fumes from the traffic coming and going into the car park. chas

10:12am Tue 18 Sep 12

portlandboy says...

weymouthresident wrote:
I totally agree. If people want to kill themselves with their cigarettes they shouldn't be allowed to benefit from the services available at the hospital. There's little enough NHS money available without those who obviously don't care about their health (or of those who have to inhale their fumes when walking past them) taking the **** by smoking when obviously under treatment. I've even seen expectant mothers sneak out of maternity wards to have their 'fix' thus endangering the lives of their unborn children as well.

Worse still, on several occasions, I've witnessed members of staff (sometimes nurses) smoking whilst sat next to the no smoking signs. No doubt they return to their patients stinking of cigarettes.

Come on DCH to something about it!
On your final point, YES THEY DO!!!
They come in, lean over you and they bloody reek!

I fail to see why the Executive Directors allow the signs to be bought when there is very obviously no way to police the ban. If they really want to stamp out smoking on site, they should insist that police are called to remove the offenders under the Public Order Act.
[quote][p][bold]weymouthresident[/bold] wrote: I totally agree. If people want to kill themselves with their cigarettes they shouldn't be allowed to benefit from the services available at the hospital. There's little enough NHS money available without those who obviously don't care about their health (or of those who have to inhale their fumes when walking past them) taking the **** by smoking when obviously under treatment. I've even seen expectant mothers sneak out of maternity wards to have their 'fix' thus endangering the lives of their unborn children as well. Worse still, on several occasions, I've witnessed members of staff (sometimes nurses) smoking whilst sat next to the no smoking signs. No doubt they return to their patients stinking of cigarettes. Come on DCH to something about it![/p][/quote]On your final point, YES THEY DO!!! They come in, lean over you and they bloody reek! I fail to see why the Executive Directors allow the signs to be bought when there is very obviously no way to police the ban. If they really want to stamp out smoking on site, they should insist that police are called to remove the offenders under the Public Order Act. portlandboy

10:13am Tue 18 Sep 12

maximan says...

Tip for smokers: When non-smokers come to your house, ask them to stand outside whilst you have a fag
Tip for smokers: When non-smokers come to your house, ask them to stand outside whilst you have a fag maximan

10:36am Tue 18 Sep 12

cj07589 says...

maximan wrote:
Tip for smokers: When non-smokers come to your house, ask them to stand outside whilst you have a fag
Your witty sarcasm is clearly lost on me, I must be fortunate as the overwhelming majority of my friends exercise common sense and choose to NOT inhale nasty dangerous carcinogenic chemicals & poisons that make you smelly, rot your teeth and gums, make you infertile or blind and ultimately kill, plus the addition side effect of sucking lots of money out of the bank account too. Geeze, I am clearly missing out on so much fun.....NOT!
[quote][p][bold]maximan[/bold] wrote: Tip for smokers: When non-smokers come to your house, ask them to stand outside whilst you have a fag[/p][/quote]Your witty sarcasm is clearly lost on me, I must be fortunate as the overwhelming majority of my friends exercise common sense and choose to NOT inhale nasty dangerous carcinogenic chemicals & poisons that make you smelly, rot your teeth and gums, make you infertile or blind and ultimately kill, plus the addition side effect of sucking lots of money out of the bank account too. Geeze, I am clearly missing out on so much fun.....NOT! cj07589

10:53am Tue 18 Sep 12

maximan says...

cj07589 wrote:
maximan wrote:
Tip for smokers: When non-smokers come to your house, ask them to stand outside whilst you have a fag
Your witty sarcasm is clearly lost on me, I must be fortunate as the overwhelming majority of my friends exercise common sense and choose to NOT inhale nasty dangerous carcinogenic chemicals & poisons that make you smelly, rot your teeth and gums, make you infertile or blind and ultimately kill, plus the addition side effect of sucking lots of money out of the bank account too. Geeze, I am clearly missing out on so much fun.....NOT!
Must be hard to have a sense of smell, seeing as how you appear to be so firmly right up your own orifice. Bet you and your friends are a real scream. Is the anally retentive club open every day?
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]maximan[/bold] wrote: Tip for smokers: When non-smokers come to your house, ask them to stand outside whilst you have a fag[/p][/quote]Your witty sarcasm is clearly lost on me, I must be fortunate as the overwhelming majority of my friends exercise common sense and choose to NOT inhale nasty dangerous carcinogenic chemicals & poisons that make you smelly, rot your teeth and gums, make you infertile or blind and ultimately kill, plus the addition side effect of sucking lots of money out of the bank account too. Geeze, I am clearly missing out on so much fun.....NOT![/p][/quote]Must be hard to have a sense of smell, seeing as how you appear to be so firmly right up your own orifice. Bet you and your friends are a real scream. Is the anally retentive club open every day? maximan

1:50pm Tue 18 Sep 12

cj07589 says...

maximan wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
maximan wrote: Tip for smokers: When non-smokers come to your house, ask them to stand outside whilst you have a fag
Your witty sarcasm is clearly lost on me, I must be fortunate as the overwhelming majority of my friends exercise common sense and choose to NOT inhale nasty dangerous carcinogenic chemicals & poisons that make you smelly, rot your teeth and gums, make you infertile or blind and ultimately kill, plus the addition side effect of sucking lots of money out of the bank account too. Geeze, I am clearly missing out on so much fun.....NOT!
Must be hard to have a sense of smell, seeing as how you appear to be so firmly right up your own orifice. Bet you and your friends are a real scream. Is the anally retentive club open every day?
Haha is that the very best you can muster to justify your pathetic live by the cig die by the cig existance! Gee wiz how very mature of you, i do pity your small minded outlook.
[quote][p][bold]maximan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]maximan[/bold] wrote: Tip for smokers: When non-smokers come to your house, ask them to stand outside whilst you have a fag[/p][/quote]Your witty sarcasm is clearly lost on me, I must be fortunate as the overwhelming majority of my friends exercise common sense and choose to NOT inhale nasty dangerous carcinogenic chemicals & poisons that make you smelly, rot your teeth and gums, make you infertile or blind and ultimately kill, plus the addition side effect of sucking lots of money out of the bank account too. Geeze, I am clearly missing out on so much fun.....NOT![/p][/quote]Must be hard to have a sense of smell, seeing as how you appear to be so firmly right up your own orifice. Bet you and your friends are a real scream. Is the anally retentive club open every day?[/p][/quote]Haha is that the very best you can muster to justify your pathetic live by the cig die by the cig existance! Gee wiz how very mature of you, i do pity your small minded outlook. cj07589

3:08pm Tue 18 Sep 12

maximan says...

cj07589 wrote:
maximan wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
maximan wrote: Tip for smokers: When non-smokers come to your house, ask them to stand outside whilst you have a fag
Your witty sarcasm is clearly lost on me, I must be fortunate as the overwhelming majority of my friends exercise common sense and choose to NOT inhale nasty dangerous carcinogenic chemicals & poisons that make you smelly, rot your teeth and gums, make you infertile or blind and ultimately kill, plus the addition side effect of sucking lots of money out of the bank account too. Geeze, I am clearly missing out on so much fun.....NOT!
Must be hard to have a sense of smell, seeing as how you appear to be so firmly right up your own orifice. Bet you and your friends are a real scream. Is the anally retentive club open every day?
Haha is that the very best you can muster to justify your pathetic live by the cig die by the cig existance! Gee wiz how very mature of you, i do pity your small minded outlook.
Gee you must believe yourself the superior being, looking down from your holier than thou pedestal. But then that's blatantly obvious in your previous post. Anyone that finishes a post with the word "not" must really believe that they require to explain to others that they are being sarcastic . Of course that's because everyone else is so below them. Daily Mail reader by any chance?
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]maximan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]maximan[/bold] wrote: Tip for smokers: When non-smokers come to your house, ask them to stand outside whilst you have a fag[/p][/quote]Your witty sarcasm is clearly lost on me, I must be fortunate as the overwhelming majority of my friends exercise common sense and choose to NOT inhale nasty dangerous carcinogenic chemicals & poisons that make you smelly, rot your teeth and gums, make you infertile or blind and ultimately kill, plus the addition side effect of sucking lots of money out of the bank account too. Geeze, I am clearly missing out on so much fun.....NOT![/p][/quote]Must be hard to have a sense of smell, seeing as how you appear to be so firmly right up your own orifice. Bet you and your friends are a real scream. Is the anally retentive club open every day?[/p][/quote]Haha is that the very best you can muster to justify your pathetic live by the cig die by the cig existance! Gee wiz how very mature of you, i do pity your small minded outlook.[/p][/quote]Gee you must believe yourself the superior being, looking down from your holier than thou pedestal. But then that's blatantly obvious in your previous post. Anyone that finishes a post with the word "not" must really believe that they require to explain to others that they are being sarcastic . Of course that's because everyone else is so below them. Daily Mail reader by any chance? maximan

3:45pm Tue 18 Sep 12

cj07589 says...

Get over yourself maximan! last time i checked smoking was for loosers clearly you are unable to grasp that concept.
Get over yourself maximan! last time i checked smoking was for loosers clearly you are unable to grasp that concept. cj07589

4:06pm Tue 18 Sep 12

maximan says...

cj07589 wrote:
Get over yourself maximan! last time i checked smoking was for loosers clearly you are unable to grasp that concept.
Yeah but I'm sure what a looser is?
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: Get over yourself maximan! last time i checked smoking was for loosers clearly you are unable to grasp that concept.[/p][/quote]Yeah but I'm sure what a looser is? maximan

4:09pm Tue 18 Sep 12

maximan says...

cj07589 wrote:
Get over yourself maximan! last time i checked smoking was for loosers clearly you are unable to grasp that concept.
Yeah but I'm not sure what a looser is?
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: Get over yourself maximan! last time i checked smoking was for loosers clearly you are unable to grasp that concept.[/p][/quote]Yeah but I'm not sure what a looser is? maximan

5:01pm Tue 18 Sep 12

JACKC says...

Someone who can't spell? or someone who smokes? or someone who leaves cigarette butts on the floor outside the hospital, or blows smoke into an open window? or eats too much? or is a parent? or drug user? or just plain perfect? who is the judge?
Someone who can't spell? or someone who smokes? or someone who leaves cigarette butts on the floor outside the hospital, or blows smoke into an open window? or eats too much? or is a parent? or drug user? or just plain perfect? who is the judge? JACKC

5:30pm Tue 18 Sep 12

maximan says...

JACKC wrote:
Someone who can't spell? or someone who smokes? or someone who leaves cigarette butts on the floor outside the hospital, or blows smoke into an open window? or eats too much? or is a parent? or drug user? or just plain perfect? who is the judge?
or is a parent?.....jaw dropping....being a parent is being a loser? WOW....Does that include yours?
[quote][p][bold]JACKC[/bold] wrote: Someone who can't spell? or someone who smokes? or someone who leaves cigarette butts on the floor outside the hospital, or blows smoke into an open window? or eats too much? or is a parent? or drug user? or just plain perfect? who is the judge?[/p][/quote]or is a parent?.....jaw dropping....being a parent is being a loser? WOW....Does that include yours? maximan

7:58pm Tue 18 Sep 12

ksmain says...

maximan wrote:
JACKC wrote: Someone who can't spell? or someone who smokes? or someone who leaves cigarette butts on the floor outside the hospital, or blows smoke into an open window? or eats too much? or is a parent? or drug user? or just plain perfect? who is the judge?
or is a parent?.....jaw dropping....being a parent is being a loser? WOW....Does that include yours?
Dear me - it really is quite simple.

The hospital has a RULE (whether LEGAL or NOT and whether you like it or not) re no smoking on it's premises. Those who have RESPECT for others will abide by it, those who don't, won't.

Judging by the comments on here, it isn't hard to see why people have so little respect for rules or people's personal space. It isn't surprising that we have arsonists running around setting fire to people's possessions, and others attacking other people, when we have some that can't even have the respect for others than to follow a little rule just occasionally.
[quote][p][bold]maximan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JACKC[/bold] wrote: Someone who can't spell? or someone who smokes? or someone who leaves cigarette butts on the floor outside the hospital, or blows smoke into an open window? or eats too much? or is a parent? or drug user? or just plain perfect? who is the judge?[/p][/quote]or is a parent?.....jaw dropping....being a parent is being a loser? WOW....Does that include yours?[/p][/quote]Dear me - it really is quite simple. The hospital has a RULE (whether LEGAL or NOT and whether you like it or not) re no smoking on it's premises. Those who have RESPECT for others will abide by it, those who don't, won't. Judging by the comments on here, it isn't hard to see why people have so little respect for rules or people's personal space. It isn't surprising that we have arsonists running around setting fire to people's possessions, and others attacking other people, when we have some that can't even have the respect for others than to follow a little rule just occasionally. ksmain

12:57pm Wed 19 Sep 12

chas says...

So because people choose to ignore a stupid rule that cannot be enforced they will commit arson, attack and kill others? I've never heard such a stupid argument!
So because people choose to ignore a stupid rule that cannot be enforced they will commit arson, attack and kill others? I've never heard such a stupid argument! chas

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